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The_Dude 10-05-2003 11:34 AM

Dallas Cowboys : Return to Glory?
 
What do y'all think?

the way they're playing now, anything is possible.

they had the #1 offense in the nfl comin into this game and their defense was just superb today.

their secondary continues to impress and they dl and 2 safeties in 2 consecutive yards.

the game's not over, but it looks like parcells is going to pull another W.

and emmit got his homecoming today, w/ 6 carries for -1 yards and a messed up shoulder!

it was nice to see jerry jones hug #22 after the game.

archer2371 10-05-2003 12:05 PM

Until I see how they do against Tampa Bay my jury is still out.

salsa2 10-05-2003 12:38 PM

Its too soon to say, the schedule gets alot tougher
in the coming weeks

They are definately on the right track.

AL9045 10-05-2003 12:58 PM

Like the Redskins they haven't played that good of teams, but they are 3-1 like the Redskins nonetheless.

But we'll see, they sure look better than last year for sure.

RoadRage 10-05-2003 02:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by AL9045
But we'll see, they sure look better than last year for sure.
Well, they couldn't have looked much worse, unless they were wearing the orange and black of the Bungles.

Maybe the talent HAD been there the whole time, just waiting for a real coach to tap it and tell Jerry Jones to keep his sorry ass up in the press box where it belongs.

Even if the 3-1 is due to a soft schedule, they'll still finish better than 5-11 easily. 8-8? 9-7? Well see.

Jadey 10-05-2003 06:28 PM

Re: Dallas Cowboys : Return to Glory?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by The_Dude
What do y'all think?

the way they're playing now, anything is possible.

they had the #1 offense in the nfl comin into this game and their defense was just superb today.



I knew they were playing well, and QC has really stepped up, but I could not believe when I heard that stat! Got to give Parcells aTON of credit. I didn't think he could do much for atleast another year.

sixate 10-05-2003 07:20 PM

The Cowboys have only played a bunch of cream puffs. We'll see how they do when the beat some real teams. Beating up on a couple of sorry New York teams and a weak Arizona team is nothing to brag about. I hope they can keep it up, but it's just too hard to tell so I'm not gonna get excited yet. Hopefully they can at least make the playoffs and be a respectable team this year.

BTW, I've been a Cowboys fan my entire life. :D

salsa2 10-05-2003 07:40 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by sixate
The Cowboys have only played a bunch of cream puffs. We'll see how they do when the beat some real teams. Beating up on a couple of sorry New York teams and a weak Arizona team is nothing to brag about. I hope they can keep it up, but it's just too hard to tell so I'm not gonna get excited yet. Hopefully they can at least make the playoffs and be a respectable team this year.

BTW, I've been a Cowboys fan my entire life. :D


Well we will find out a lot about this team in the next couple weeks.
If they play well against Philly who has owned them for the last few years, then I think they can make the playoffs. (maybe) 8-8 or 9-7 doesnt seem out of reach. At the same time, with Parcells, I always feel they will be prepared and have a chance to beat any team this year. At least its fun to be a cowboy fan again this year. The last few years have been tough.

Jadey 10-05-2003 11:07 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by sixate
The Cowboys have only played a bunch of cream puffs. We'll see how they do when the beat some real teams. Beating up on a couple of sorry New York teams and a weak Arizona team is nothing to brag about. I hope they can keep it up, but it's just too hard to tell so I'm not gonna get excited yet. Hopefully they can at least make the playoffs and be a respectable team this year.

BTW, I've been a Cowboys fan my entire life. :D


But, I thought they were in the running for the "Worst Team in Shoulder PAds" award. So, for them to beat anyone, let alone 2 New York teams on the road is impressive for me.

Lestat 10-05-2003 11:24 PM

It's a bit early to think "Return to glory". They're heading in the right direction. They've got the right coach. Now give them time to get the right players.

lions20 10-06-2003 08:41 AM

Dallas has not beaten a really good team yet to prove that they are returning to glory.

maximusveritas 10-06-2003 08:49 AM

yeah, Dallas is still a team that's low in talent and experience. They will fade fast as the year progresses.
Still, it is a testament to Parcells' ability as a coach that they are winning as much as they are so far.

bond007 10-06-2003 04:35 PM

well, they broke Emmitt. Smith has a fractured scapula (shoulder blade) and is out 6-8 weeks.

bond007 10-06-2003 05:01 PM

other than Britney Spears naked on my bed... I'd love nothing more than seeing Dallas restored to their rightful place atop the NFL. but, it seems a bit early to proclaim that the 'Boys are back (wait 'til they play Philly & Tampa Bay)... then again, who'd a thunk that Carolina would still be undefeated???

salsa2 10-06-2003 05:30 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by maximusveritas
yeah, Dallas is still a team that's low in talent and experience. They will fade fast as the year progresses.
Still, it is a testament to Parcells' ability as a coach that they are winning as much as they are so far.

They may have little experience, but its not fair to say they are low on talent. They may have the best recievers and the best safties in the game. The QB is playing good enough right now, the OL in starting to gell. I think they are weak at RB right now and maybe undersized at LB. The CB are young. Remember, this is week 5 and the Cowboys are the #1 Offense and #4 Defense in football. Thats not low on talent.

salsa2 10-12-2003 12:19 PM

I think this thread needs a bump today.

The_Dude 10-12-2003 12:39 PM

yeap.

4-1 since 1995, when they won the superbowl.

JoeyB 10-12-2003 12:59 PM

Their schedule hasn't been the toughest, but they're winning. It doesn't matter how difficult the team is, the bottom line is the record. They won't be an intimidating force in the playoffs...but after the last couple of frustrating years??? Enjoy being in first place for as long as it lasts.

bond007 10-12-2003 01:20 PM

I'm a Believer!

\shameless Monkees quote

Liquor Dealer 10-12-2003 02:08 PM

I've had a great week! I'm not a fair weather sports fan - I have had, and only have had but two teams forever - I don't give a damn who is playing, I am a Sooner fan, and a Cowboy fan. (Oops- forgot about Junior Go #8) There have been a lot more downs than ups for a long time but I don't watch sports simply because there is a game on - if I have no real interest in the outcome I'll watch Tom & Jerry - I don't care if the Chiefs are playing the Avalance in the World Series - it simply ain't my thing! Dallas looked great this afternoon and my Sooners are simply awesome - bring on Miami or Virginia Tech - doesn't matter one iota! It has been a great year up to this point - Dude! Sorry 'bout what happened to your football team yesterday - Texas ( land of my birth, by the way) is almost on the Atlantic Coast, sorta' - you know the Gulf of What-ever-in-the hell-that-country-south-of here is called is just an extension of the Atlantic, sorta' any hoo! Texas could probably win the ACC but that is besides the point! Lots of really good Bloody Marys ( 1 part Finlandia Lime Vodka to 5 parts Snappy Tom - add ice and absolutely, positively nothing else) have me in absolute bliss this evening - sports wise, anywise! Y"all have a great afternoon! I'm outa' here!

The_Dude 10-12-2003 03:02 PM

2/3 things in common.

dallas cowboys and dale jr. cool.


we (texas longhorns) will take back dallas in 2011 (when brown's contract expires)

bond007 10-12-2003 05:28 PM

hey Liquor Dealer, just out of curiosity, if you're from Texas... how/why are you an OU fan???

Liquor Dealer 10-12-2003 06:10 PM

Graduated from OU in '67 - My son graduated from OU in '92.

I haven't lived in Texas since '57 and haven't missed it.

cementor 10-12-2003 06:25 PM

The Cowboys and the Sooners lotsa parallels. Stoops first year he took Blakes talent and turned them into a winner. Decent talent great coaching and preparation and a total change in the players mindset. Add a couple of solid players the next year and a Nat'l Championship. I see The Tuna doing the same thing decent talent, though not his normal style. The mindset is definitely changed and they are better prepared. They won't win a Super bowl this year or next year, but the playoffs will again become commonplace and within the next 5 years I think they'll bring home the hardware. We have the Mastermind here in Denver, but I think " The Tuna" is the lead fish in the school!

Boomer Sooner! ..... Any Questions??

Jdoe 10-12-2003 10:13 PM

Boy, I have to disagree in a HUGE way here. I loathe Geriatric Jones and will always LOVE the sooners. But even as that may be, I see no comparison between the two.

Parcells has had success everywhere he's gone. Stoops was noone, pretty much, until OU. I can't say there are any similarities...well other than they are both doing damn well this year...so far.

Jdoe

crow_daw 10-13-2003 09:44 PM

I gotta say I respect the hell out of the Cowboys for doin what they've done with what they got thus far.

The_Dude 10-19-2003 04:21 PM

this thread needs a bump up again.

they pretty much man-handled the lions today.

the lions are not good, but dallas owned 'em in their own field.

AL9045 10-19-2003 06:37 PM

It doesn't matter where you play the Lions, they still suck ass.

Nimbletoe 10-19-2003 06:49 PM

It's true. My poor lions =(

Jdoe 10-20-2003 12:24 AM

Actually I have to disagree again. The Lions are a HUGE improvement from prior years. Yes they are still trying to rebuild, but "still suck ass?" No, re-watch the games this season. They are obviously on a path that will do well within two years at the latest.

Jdoe

Kurant 10-20-2003 12:38 PM

Cowboys play in the weakest division in football this year, IMO. Divisional games will have alot to do with they're record. They haven't made a believer out of me. When they play Tampa (Who BTW is a far cry from last years team as well) then we'll see.

But really, look at they're last 10 games.

at Tampa
Washington
Buffalo
at NE
Carolina
Miami
at Philly
at Washington
Giants
at New Orleans

They play 4 games against division teams who can't beat there way out of a wet paper bag. I woulden't be surprised to see a 11-5 year. A little skewed by the sorry division they play in. And don't get all happy about a defense shutting down Detroit. It's not an accomplishment shutting down the 3rd worst offense in Football.

EDIT: The 3rd worst offense in football, without a 42 point game, is the worst. They've never scored over 17 points since.

It's also one of the worst defensive teams as well.

Elegant Holmes 10-21-2003 07:28 AM

Nice to see Parcells commenting on the idiotic penalties and flubs, rather than getting too excited about whooping the lions. Also nice to see the head coach controlling the crackheads and gangbangers that have tarnished the organization over the years. I eagerly await the Tampa game to see if the 'pokes are for real.

salsa2 10-21-2003 03:20 PM

I think everyone needs to deal with the fact the regardless of what happens against Tampa Bay, the Cowboys are for real. Now they still might not make the playoffs, but the problems that have plagued this franchise since Jimmy Johnson left are over. Under Parcells they will continue to improve each week. They will be ready to play each week. The coaches will be prepared. They were not as talentless as most people thought. There are some decent football players on this team that just needed the proper coaching and motivation to improve. This may justify Jerry Jones a little more as a GM. The players that he has brought in over the last few years are starting to perform.

Kurant 10-21-2003 04:07 PM

How can you say he Cowboys are for real? They haven't played a single team OVER .500 as of week 7. Week 8, guess what, they STILL won't play a team over 500, and they lost to Atlanta, which has the WORST record in the league.

They are real if your .500 or under. When they hit the 4 week stretch(10-13) of playing teams leading they're division, or at contending, we'll see how "for real" they are. I'm also still confused why people think Tampa is still a "real deal" team. It's quite obvious they just aren't getting it done this year. Unless they pick it up, they won't be going anywhere this year.

salsa2 10-21-2003 06:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Kurant
How can you say he Cowboys are for real? They haven't played a single team OVER .500 as of week 7. Week 8, guess what, they STILL won't play a team over 500, and they lost to Atlanta, which has the WORST record in the league.

They are real if your .500 or under. When they hit the 4 week stretch(10-13) of playing teams leading they're division, or at contending, we'll see how "for real" they are. I'm also still confused why people think Tampa is still a "real deal" team. It's quite obvious they just aren't getting it done this year. Unless they pick it up, they won't be going anywhere this year.

Tampa gets respect because they won the super bowl. They have a lot of injures on D this year which is obviously hurting them.
I agree that the difficult stretch of the schedule is coming up, but really look at the teams that your talking about.
First 4-3 Buffalo. They have played New England, Jacksonville,Miami, Philly, Cin., NYJ, and Washington. They are 1-1 against teams over .500.

Next up is 5-2 New England. They played Buffalo, Philly,NYJ, Washington, Tenn.,NYG, and Miami. 2-1 against teams over .500.

Then 5-1 Carolina who played Jacksonville, Tampa, Atlanta,NO, Indy and Tenn. 1-1 against teams over .500

Finally 4-2 Miami who played Houston, NYJ, Buffalo,NYG, Jacksonville and NE. 1-1 against teams over .500.

Who really have any of these teams played? Each other?
Carolina played Indy and Tenn and split 1-1.

My real point is the league is so wide open and the distance between the good teams and the average teams is close. There are no great teams anymore. The last of the great teams were the 94 Niners and 95 Cowboys.

When the schedule came out , everyone said the tough stretch was at the beginning for the Cowboys. Atlanta, NYJ,NYG Philly.

queedo 10-21-2003 07:21 PM

Looks like the Cowboys are finally playing up to thier potential

captain 10-22-2003 05:49 AM

I think that the big tuna is showing his coaching prowess. The only difference between this year and last is Parcells. He is the difference. He just gets all the talent to play.

Elegant Holmes 10-22-2003 04:19 PM

I have always liked the Cowboys. I have always hated that brass-plated sunnofabitch; smug little Jerry Jones. Oh yeah, I thought Tom Landry was a real good guy.

bonbonbox 10-23-2003 07:51 AM

When you lose they say you suck. When you win they say you didn't play anybody. The Cowboys, like every other team in the league, play their schedule. The Cowboys can not be blamed for the fact that any team they play lost a few in the weeks prior. What they have done is improve week to week. Worked to eliminate the lack of discipline penalties, concentrated on the things they do well, and stopped with the stupid clock management. I'm no Kool-Aid drinking Cowboy fan looking for Superbowl tickets, but I am a lifelong Cowboy fan (both of us est. in 1960) pleased to see the team potential being reached. The Cowboys are mentally and physically prepared to win each week. Try not to be surprised when they do. Check the power ratings as well. Sportsline has them tied for 6th.

petergriffin24 10-23-2003 10:24 AM

Yeah this starts the downward spiral of the "Boys" they are not going to do too well anymore especially starting with Tampa this week I think they are gonna get spanked!!

iktoweya 10-23-2003 11:23 AM

im a hardcore cowboys fan whether they win or lose so far they have been doing very well which does put i smile on my face

G_Whiz 10-24-2003 01:58 PM

First, I admit that I hate the Cowboys. I also hate Bill Parcells. So that will explain some of the bias to my post.

The Cowboys are better than I expected them to be this year. I suspect that they are better than Parcells expected too.

Now, they are coming into the hardest part of their schedule. They have the top rated defense and the 4th rated offense. I don't think they can maintain those ratings, but that doesn't mean they aren't on their way back.

The point is that, in this day of parity in the NFL, they are back to being competitive. Since it seems like there will not be any more dynasties, will they become one of the temporary elite teams? Maybe in the next year or two, but not this year.

I still think that it is probably 50/50 for them to make the playoffs. But the reality is that they can. All they need is to keep playing well and get a few breaks.

I'll be rooting against them. But that doesn't mean that I don't respect the steps that they've made.

salsa2 10-26-2003 04:42 PM

I'm going to bump this up even though they lost today. We find out a lot about this team NEXT week. They came out flat today on offense and thought the bucs would just give them this game.
Lets see how they handle the loss.

The_Dude 10-26-2003 08:16 PM

yeah, today just sucked for the boys.

they were not playing disciplined at all and couldnt get a running game going.

captain 10-27-2003 06:40 AM

I don't think the problem was as much with Dallas playing poorly as TB played up to their potential. Besides Dallas won't sneak up on other teams anymore-the rest of the league has figured out Parcells has the Cowboys playing good football.

petergriffin24 10-27-2003 07:32 AM

yeah but I think now you will see Dallas take some losses and they have a pretty tough schedule coming up and the Giants and Eagles are starting to play like they should be especially New York coming off a HUGE win in Minnesota!!

Elegant Holmes 10-27-2003 07:47 AM

I'm always happy with the 'boys if they can beat the redskins and eagles. Even at there worst they always play well against them.

dy156 10-27-2003 01:05 PM

I hate to say it, but I saw a statistic about how four teams in the last 10 years that started the year 5-1 and managed to not make the playoffs. The Chargers last year were the last, and I think this might be the fifth. As much as I like them, the Cowboys were not as great a team as their record reflected.

Liquor Dealer 10-27-2003 01:12 PM

The Boyz ain't back! Yet. But they are definitely headed in the right direction - the Tuna is not a magician, even though he has worked wonders with what he had to work with this year. Give him some time. if he can survive Jones' antics he'll turn them around but he can't do it overnight - they didn't get as bad as they were overnight and won't turn around in an instant. Next year will be a lot better. (If Jones stays where he belongs and leaves the Tuna alone).

lions20 10-27-2003 01:38 PM

Cowboys were overated they really hadn't played anybody decent till yesterday.

Kurant 10-27-2003 06:09 PM

^^

I agree with him. =/

justin218 10-31-2003 02:51 AM

THe cowboys might make the playoffs but I don't think they'd go anywhere. They have a good record now, just can't get in a rut, and they should make the playoffs. Not that easy of a schedule though.

The_Dude 11-02-2003 04:39 PM

dallas just beat the hell out of washington, but the score doesnt reflect it.

AL9045 11-02-2003 04:49 PM

Yeah, but Washington sucks...so that isn't saying much.

And this is coming from a Redskins fan.

dy156 11-03-2003 08:55 AM

If they can play that crappy and still win, there's hope. I think it's a difference in attitude. They expect to win now. After a first quarter like that, alot of teams, and the Cowboys in the last several years, would've just quit. The same could be said for individuals who really screwed up. Bouncing back showed alot for the team, and from Hambrick and Glenn.

spectre 11-03-2003 07:25 PM

Dallas is doing good, but they're only winning the games that they are supposed to win. They seem intimidated when they play teams that are considered the best in the league. Their enthusiasm just dies during those games and they get beat, bad. This isn't the year for Dallas. I think that they can take their division, but the next few weeks will be the big test. They will be playing tough opponents and they will have to treat them like they treat any other team. They can't play in awe of their opponents or they're going to lose. Because of that, I don't think this is the year for Dallas, but with Parcells there, it wouldn't surprise me if they made a run for it next year.

salsa2 11-05-2003 03:09 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by spectre
Dallas is doing good, but they're only winning the games that they are supposed to win. They seem intimidated when they play teams that are considered the best in the league. Their enthusiasm just dies during those games and they get beat, bad. This isn't the year for Dallas. I think that they can take their division, but the next few weeks will be the big test. They will be playing tough opponents and they will have to treat them like they treat any other team. They can't play in awe of their opponents or they're going to lose. Because of that, I don't think this is the year for Dallas, but with Parcells there, it wouldn't surprise me if they made a run for it next year.
When exactly did they get beat bad. The Tampa game was 16-0 and Tampa really couldnt move the ball at all. Dallas gave them excellent field position on turnovers. Tampa won, but not really by anything great they did. What it did show was that Dallas can not run the ball on the top defences in the league.

spectre 11-05-2003 09:02 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by salsa2
When exactly did they get beat bad. The Tampa game was 16-0 and Tampa really couldnt move the ball at all. Dallas gave them excellent field position on turnovers. Tampa won, but not really by anything great they did. What it did show was that Dallas can not run the ball on the top defences in the league.
True, but it did show that Dallas, a team that normal plays a relatively clean game, got very sloppy. Their passing game was pretty weak in that game too. 118 yards through the air and an average of 4.1 yards per pass. Turnovers are a part of sloppy play. The score might not have indicated it, but they got beat, had it been the Colts or Titans, those three turnovers would have been 21 points from TOs. There were also two other offensive fumbles that Dallas did manage to recover. Like I said, they looked like they played intimidated.

SSJwrestler 11-07-2003 08:51 AM

NO WAY DALLAS SUCKS!!!

The_Dude 11-09-2003 04:21 PM

another win that makes 'em 7-2.

cementor 11-09-2003 05:22 PM

Seems like they are winning the games they ought to win, I would have expect TB to give them trouble , but Washington and the Buffalo looked like winnable games. Now the road gets tough

If they win one of the next four and don't get too nicked up. I'll be tickled. They won't win a playoff game, but it would be great to see them get there for a change.

Smoey 11-10-2003 08:49 AM

You guys think Parcells isn't telling his team that Tampa is good, of course they know what they're up against, and they just play from week to week, I want to know how come Shockey stop running his mouth? The Cowboys were just floating around the league with no direction, Parcells came in and every single cowboy bit into his philosophy, and it turns out he knows what he is doing, I just didn't think it would happen this quick.

aceventura3 11-10-2003 10:40 AM

Parady is the worst thing to happen to the NFL. Every team is closely matched and the difference between winning and losing is usually based on a few quality players and injuries. The Cowboys may be on a role, and if they stay healthy they could go deep into the playoffs. They are certainly not at the verge of creating a new dynasty. We won't see any more dynasties in the NFL.

The_Dude 11-23-2003 01:15 PM

pretty good game going against the panthers. the 'boys will pull out a win.


EDIT : AND THEY WIN!

Jaiddin 11-23-2003 06:27 PM

Dallas finally looked like a Parcells team should look, less mistakes and turnovers. They dropped the game against New England that way. IF they can take out the Dolphins at home, then it will be awfully hard to pick against them the rest of the year, with the possible exception of the Philly game.

Jesus Malverde 11-23-2003 09:13 PM

The Cowboys are my favorite team, but I'll keep this post unbiased.
I agree with the statement that they aren't going to build a new dynasty. However, I do think they are on the verge of becoming a team that consistently finishes the year with a winning record. The NFC East is not the greatest division, and I haven't seen any personnel moves (that rival the addition of Parcells) the last few years that have made a big impact on the other three teams.
If Bill Parcells stays alive, and doesn't leave like he did with all his other teams, I think the cowboys will make a return to WINNING, but not GLORY.
Beating Carolina helped their playoff hopes too.

silverback 11-23-2003 09:31 PM

I think the Cowboys will make the playoffs this year but until their offense is more consistent, they won't go far. If they can add a quality running back next year, look out.


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