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silent_jay · 02-19-2010, 04:55 PM

Hey Jim Kyte, I used to teach at his brother Murray's hockey school when I was younger for about 5 years, Jim would always come and lend a hand for a week or so in the summer, what a nice man he is, always willing to help anyone out, always stayed behind to help the kids who were maybe not the greatest, he'd always stay with the instructors afterwards and play a game with us every night he was there, an all around great guy.

silent_jay · 03-07-2010, 12:42 AM

Another cheap shot tonight, Ryder on Comeau, pretty brutal hit, just another sign of the lack of respect shown by players, especially after I believe Lapierre hit last night, hopefully it's the same suspension 4 games, although if they want to start sending a message they should be getting 8 or 10 for these cheap from behind shots.

silent_jay · 03-07-2010, 11:05 PM

How many games should Cooke get for this? When are the players going to learn this type of shit is stupid.

YouTube - Matt Cooke DESTROYS Marc Savard (HD - Full Incident)

Wes Mantooth · 03-07-2010, 11:20 PM

UGH, yeah I was watching that game this afternoon, calling it disgusting would be an understatement. Considering his past I'd say a good 10 games seems warranted but I know that won't happen...actually I think the fair way to handle would be to have him sit out as many games as Savard does.

What really bothers me about this is it seems like the NHL is doing absolutely nothing to discourage hits to the head like this one. Suspensions seem haphazard at best and in this case it didn't even call for a minor penalty. Think about that, if a player accidentally gets his stick to high and busts a players lip he's in the box for 4 mins and rightfully so, its dangerous and can cause serious injury. Yet in this case a man intentionally charges across the ice and knocks a player unconscious with his elbow and he's still out there on the ice while the victim is being loaded into an ambulance. What a great way to discourage these kinds of hits NHL

I hope Savard is okay and back playing soon. Really after the season the Bruins have had this year this is just the icing on the cake.

silent_jay · 03-08-2010, 11:51 AM

If the NHL truly wants headshots to stop, and hits like this Cooke hit, and the cheap shots during touch icings, like during the Marlies game, they have to get serious about suspensions, give Cooke the rest of the season off for the hit, that would send a message that they won't be tolerated, this 4 game bullshit like Laperiere got the other night is well nothing but bullshit, 4 games doesn't send a message, they have to start getting serious, and knock off the double standards for suspensions, doesn't matter if he's a repeat offender, they do somethign stupid, first time or third time, they get a massive suspension either way.

Wes Mantooth · 03-09-2010, 12:22 AM

I agree and honestly I think its going to take somebody being killed, paralyzed or left a vegetable before they really take a serious look and do anything about it. Although I have to wonder if that had been Crosby laying on the ice would they have finally taken it seriously? I dunno, its frustrating.

Today Colin Campbell was going on about how he didn't see an elbow so he's still evaluating how to handle it. Should it really matter if it was an elbow? His shoulder? His stick? The result of the hit should be what matters not what Cooke used to deliver it. From the sound of it they will probably give him a token 4 games and try to sweep another ugly head shot under the rug and hope the whole thing goes away. Sometimes I think the NHL is run by complete idiots.

Agree with you on touch icing as well. I saw the video package they ran on Coaches Corner last week and the whole time I'm thinking after ALL of that the NHL is still deliberating on what to do. Seriously...idiots, nothing else can possibly explain it.

Leto · 03-09-2010, 05:58 AM

hmm. this is out there, but why don't we just fire off an email to Betman. I'm sure he will consider it. After all, we are the paying customers.

/ naivety rant

Leto · 03-09-2010, 11:42 AM

Hey, Charlatan... take a look at this. You can enjoy HNIC on Yahoo now:

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silent_jay · 03-09-2010, 11:55 AM

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I agree and honestly I think its going to take somebody being killed, paralyzed or left a vegetable before they really take a serious look and do anything about it. Although I have to wonder if that had been Crosby laying on the ice would they have finally taken it seriously? I dunno, its frustrating.

That was my initial thought as well, had it been Crosby or Ovechkin lying there, things would be handled much quicker, but the players getting hurt aren't the NHL's poster boys, so it gets brushed aside.

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Today Colin Campbell was going on about how he didn't see an elbow so he's still evaluating how to handle it. Should it really matter if it was an elbow? His shoulder? His stick? The result of the hit should be what matters not what Cooke used to deliver it. From the sound of it they will probably give him a token 4 games and try to sweep another ugly head shot under the rug and hope the whole thing goes away. Sometimes I think the NHL is run by complete idiots.

Just saw that, Campbell is still deciding if Cooke will be suspended, well if he gets nothing or gets the token 4 games, we finally have someone to blame for the injuries. The players are begging for some clear definition of the rules about blindside hits, and headshots, they don't want the physical nature of the game to change at all, they love that part, they just need some sort of line drawn by the NHL executives as to what is allowed or not allowed.

I like to think this all goes back to the Richards hit on Booth, he got nothing for that, even though it was the definition of a headshot, not a single game, the Neil hit on Mitchell as much as I hate Neil, wasn't that bad, Neil could have made it much worse, and Mitchell as Grapes said, has to be more aware of his surroundings.

Then last night some guy gets tossed for 'hitting from behind' when it was clearly from the side, he gets tossed out of the game, for basically nothing.

I thought the 2 referee system was supposed to take care of these things, all we get though is the back ref calling a second rate holding or hooking penalty, and basically just getting in the way.

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Sometimes I think the NHL is run by complete idiots.

Oh it is run by idiots, between Bettman and his Americanization of the game, and Campbell and his lack of consistency in discipline, people don't know what's going on, they have to get rid of those two before the proper changes are brought in. First change, fuck off with the god damn 2 line passes, that's bush league cherry picking bullshit, second change, the shootout dies a horrible, bloody death.

Here's the Lapierre hit on Nichol the other night, tell me his intention wasn't to run him from behind, to me thats a brutal play, and should have got a ot more games than he did.

YouTube- Lapierre's hit from behind on Nichol

Wes Mantooth · 03-10-2010, 12:34 AM

Good post, I think whats also frustrating is the whole thing makes the NHL look bush league and gives the casual sports fan another reason to think the sport and the NHL is a joke. You'd never see this kind of nonsense in the NFL or MLB, suspensions are usually handed out quickly and for the most part are very consistent....they also hurt.

Look at some of the head shots this year, Richards gets nothing, Lapierre gets 4 games, Neil no suspension, Cooke...don't know yet. Why is there no consistent and quick penalty for something the NHL says it wants to eliminate from the game? Such a track record makes them look both stupid and hypocritical, they set precidents and then ignore them. If the issue wasn't so serious it would be rather comical to be honest.

Here's an interesting article written last year during the playoffs, its a little Bruins heavy and written by the biggest Bruins homer alive, Jack Edwards, but he makes a great point about the NHL and its "dartboard" justice system. Rather a good read considering the topic and hand.

Dartboard Justice in NHL - Jack Edwards - NESN.com

silent_jay · 03-10-2010, 05:31 PM

Well it seems dartboard justice is at it again, Cooke gets fuckin nothing, nothing, I'm at a loss for words on this one, which doesn't happen very often, it's an embarassing day for the NHL that's about all I can say, and that Colin Campbell needs to be subjected to one of these hits just to see what they are like, I have they suck.

Excellent article Wes, and once again very relevant with this latest non suspension. I reckon Vinnie Lecavalier said it best about Coooke:

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"He's got no respect for the players," said Tampa Bay Lightning captain Vincent Lecavalier. "Matt Cooke, he's been doing that for a long time."
"He knew exactly what he was doing when he came with his shoulder," Lecavalier stated. "He knew exactly that he was going to hit his head and that's how guys get hurt."

Lightning stars unhappy with lack of suspension for Cooke
Just found this as well, now if Campbell based it on the Richards/Booth hit, he based it on his own stupidity, as Richards should have recieved a lengthy suspension as well, it's just baffling to me, gonne be interesting to see the NHL when it's one of their golden boys sprawled out on the ice unconcious.

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Colin Campbell, NHL senior vice president of hockey operations and the league's czar of discipline, based his Cooke ruling on precedent -- the decision not to suspend Philadelphia Flyers forward Mike Richards for his hit on Florida Panthers forward David Booth.

http://www.sportingnews.com/nhl/arti...ins-matt-cooke

Wes Mantooth · 03-11-2010, 12:26 AM

I heard this just before I took off for rehearsal earlier this afternoon and honestly I'm having a hard time getting upset about it, not because it makes sense or it was the right decision but because I already expected it. All you can really do is just shrug and shake your head I guess.

Does anybody remember Sean Avery and his sloppy seconds comment last year? He got 7 games (if I remember right) and was essentially fired from the Dallas Stars for that little comment, I don't think it needs pointing out how ridiculous that really is when compared to hits that could potentially kill somebody going completely unpunished.

Its funny when Campbell finally gets somewhat consistent in his rulings he does so in the most ass backwards way possible, its really quite amazing.

What I'd like to know is what is the NHL doing to protect its players? The instigator rule takes away the players ability to police the ice themselves and in turn the NHL is almost refusing to hand out punishment to discourage dangerous hits and other monkey business. Their position encourages these kinds of hits by default, especially out of revenge. Like I said before somebody is going to have to wind up dead, paralyzed or left a vegetable before they take any serious action and that's a pretty sad commentary on the leadership of the NHL. Personally Jay I like your idea about Campbell being subjected to these hits, maybe if the hit doesn't do it it will jar that lump of shit he calls a brain loose and he might start using it.

I read that about the Lightening players just before I came here Jay and I'm glad to see some actual players speaking up about this kind of stuff. It made me think that maybe the players and not just those who are teammates of the victim, but all the players in NHL will finally get fed up and take action as one large group. Imagine if every single time Cooke (or any idiot that does something this stupid) steps out on the ice, in every game he plays, he has a target on his back. I bet he'd shape up pretty quick.

silent_jay · 03-12-2010, 10:29 AM

Yeah I guess in a way I expected Campbell to do nothing, but there was that little part of me that thought maybe he's use to this to actually take a stand on these types of things, especially from people like Cooke, the kids a modern day Ulf Samuelson, no respect for anybody on the ice with him.

Yeah, I can't believe Avery as much as I hate him, got 7 games for that yet Richards and Cooke get nothing, even though Booth missed 45 games and Savard is done for the year. It is amusing though, he uses a hit that should have garnered a suspension to decide the punishment for another hit that deserved a suspension, it's mind boggling where his sense of logic is.

Ugh, the instigator rule, that bloody rule gave idiots like Cooke, Jarko Ruutu, Dan Carcillo all carte blanche to be idiots, they need to drop that rule and watch those pussies fall lin line.

Campbell should be dishing out 10-15 game suspension for hits like Richards, Cooke, and al lthese other stupid moves like during icings, hit them with something more than 4 games, then they'l llearn oh shit maybe I shouldn't do this.

Cooke could have caught Savards body, but if you watch the replay he was aiming for his head, no matter what he says his intention was or wasn't, he knew he was going to catch Savard in the head.

Hektore · 03-12-2010, 11:52 AM

Time has come to curtail hits to the head - NHL.com - Ice Age

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Originally Posted by NHL

"A lateral, back pressure or blindside hit to an opponent where the head is targeted and/or the principal point of contact is not permitted. A violation of the above will result in a minor or major penalty and shall be reviewed for possible supplemental discipline."

There you go.

I was watching the Pens last night and heard about Cooke's hit, and the subsequent rules change. They should just make it a major unless it was clearly unintentional. That hit was pure bullshit and I have a whole lot less respect for the guy now, the Pens as well for having him.

It would be nice if the teams would take some responsibility for policing players. I think it would be a great thing if Lemieux would come out and say, NHL ruling be damned, that kind of thing has no place in professional sports and we're going to take it upon ourselves to fine and suspend Cooke.

silent_jay · 03-12-2010, 07:56 PM

Anyone happen to see the Recchi interview? He had the balls to say what the rest of us have been saying, a loose quote is, 'I have a feeling if that had happened to Sidney Crosby, the result would have been different'. He had some more comments about Cooke and his history of these types af actions, and also said that Campbell 'dropped the ball on this one'. I've always liked Recchi, and his being outspoken on this issue has made me like him even more.

silent_jay · 03-14-2010, 11:07 AM

Well, we had another dirty hit today, this time once again by Ovechkin, listen to McGuires comments and how he tries to say 'it was a little from behind, a little from the side, and how it demonstrates 'the power of Ovechkin'. Now I like Ovie as a player, but the kids a repeat offender, or at least he's done stupid shit like this before, after seeing it in replay, I say he eats 10 games, ho could have ended Campbells career, but the punishment czar Campbell will give him 4 is my guess, along the same lines as Lapierre from Montreal.

YouTube - Alexander Ovechkin injures Brian Campbell

Anyone catch Coaches Corner last night? Hear Grapes talking about Cooke asking him if he had the 'guts' to say what he says about Cooke on telly to his face? Fuckin Cooke, it wouldn't take guts to sort Cooke out, the kid won't fight, hell I bet Grapes could still kick his ass, if Cooke didn't turtle that is.

Wes Mantooth · 03-14-2010, 12:46 PM

Yeah I read the Recchi interview a few days ago and I was pretty impressed with it. I think its a great sign to have an older veteran of the sport speaking out against this stuff and calling it like it is. At the very least he's getting the idea out there amongst players, fans and journalists. Hopefully the talk keeps up, people don't forget and it forces the NHL to take real action.

Caught Coaches Corner late last night after I got home (only feed here for the Bruins game was Hockey Night in Canada on the NHL network) and I LOVED his rant on Cooke and the hit, very good stuff. I would have LOVE to be a fly on the wall when Cooke asked him if he'd say that stuff to his face...the look on Cookes face must have priceless. Good overall show except for the final score....Tukka Rask...gotta handle the puck better then that buddy.

I've been incredibly busy this weekend and I missed the Ovechkin hit (looks like that was today's game...how did I miss that?) I agree with your opinion Jay, great player, seems like a good guy but he's just too reckless. The NHL needs to grow a pair, sit him for a bit and use him as an example or at the very least show him that their will be consequence if he doesn't stop being so reckless. If they suspend a huge star like Ovechkin it would really help send the message...not that they will of course. I like hard hits as much as the next guy but somebody has to start doing something to limit reckless and dangerous hits.

EDIT: Looks like Crosby got a dirty hit to the knee this afternoon as well. Haven't seen it yet but it sounds like Downie took a run at the back of his knee...Honestly Campbell is this the NHL you want? Dirty, reckless ugly hits that could potentially end careers? By not taking action on this stuff its creating an environment for these kind of hits to thrive and its disgusting. Colin Campbell needs to go, now. Although the irony of this hit happening to Crosby (who appears to be okay) in light of Cooke hit last Sunday is pretty glaring. It almost makes you wonder if Downie wasn't trying to send a message to the league with this one.

silent_jay · 03-15-2010, 03:12 PM

Ovie gets 2 games, Laperiere got 4 games for the same basic hit, double standard much? Why all this Ovechkin support as well, Maxim never got that, no one said anything in favour of him, but because of who Ovie is, they're making excuses for him, I even heard one player say 'you have to be aware as a defenceman'. Now I played defence in some pretty good leagues, and Campbell knew he was there, what he wasn't expecting is to be shoved from behind into the boards. Everyone keeps talking about Ovechkins strength, now what the heck has that got to do with pushing a player from behind into the boards? It's nonsense.

Wes Mantooth · 03-15-2010, 11:05 PM

Jay-

I think, in all honesty the NHL is just lost right now. They are sinking as a league here in the states and (I could be wrong about this) but I thought I read somewhere that viewership was down in Canada too. It almost seems that, from Bettman on down the league is just grasping at any thing to get ratings and keep interest up. Ovie factors into this, sitting him more then 2 games means he misses the upcoming Washington/Pittsburgh game. Without Crosby/Ovechkin the interest isn't as high, hence the weak suspension for a reckless, repeat offender. In other words players health and the integrity of the league simply don't matter, Ovechkin is a HUGE star and they need that star power.

Any other major sports league and Ovie, Lapierre, Richards, Cooke and others would have received quick, harsh, consistent suspensions or fines, the only real difference would be more games or money for repeat offenders. Nor would any other sports league continue to have such vague rules concerning dangerous hits...honestly this stuff should have been sorted out YEARS ago.

I don't know if you follow the NFL or not but you might remember spygate with the New England Patriots? At the time they were perhaps one of the most watched team in the league, Tom Brady was one of the biggest stars in the game and they were becoming a HUGE source of revenue for the NFL. The team is caught taping signals from the sideline...oops...and what did the NFL do? They came down hard on the whole franchise. Coach Bellicheck is fined something like 500,000 dollars and the team docked (I think) 2 draft picks. It destroyed the teams reputation and put a huge black mark on the upcoming (nearly) undefeated season that year, something I'm sure the NFL would love to have marketed with a team not labeled cheaters. Why am I writing about this you may ask? Because the NFL wasn't afraid to punish a team that broke the rules, popularity and revenue be damned, they broke the rules and had to pay the penalty.

Until the NHL learns to take that approach to handing out punishment they will continue to be the joke of the sports world, which is a crying shame because hockey is such a great sport.

silent_jay · 03-16-2010, 01:52 PM

I forgot all about the Caps/Pens game coming up, and it's probably on a Saturday on NBC as well, so of course Campbell can't give Bettman's cash cow too long a suspension..

I remember the Pats doing that, they got hammered by the league. I must say I do admire the NFL for that, they don't fuck around with suspensions, someone does something stupid, they're gonna get nailed for it. The NHL(Bettman) is too concerned with making the game more appealing to US viewers to come down that hard on anybody, but when they start with these non suspensions or inconsistent suspensions they start to alienate other viewers like the ones in this thread who want to see the same physical game, but without all the bullshit hits, and Cooke, Carcillo, Ruutu, Richards, and even Ovie cheapshots.

Agreed, the NHL is the joke of the sports world, especially when you factor in the actions of the commish and the punishment czar. What I've never understood is, they have possibly the greatest player ever to put on skates totally uninvolved in the NHL. If they were smart they'd be trying to get Gretzky into some type of job at the NHL head office, at least the guy played the game and understands it, I don't think Bettman has the first clue about hockey, well I know he doesn't, if he did he wouldn't still have a team in Atlanta where they have more players on the bench than fans in the stands, or Phoenix, but if he drops those his Southern expansion legacy goes tits up. They need to start making changes i nthe NHL and I think they should start at the top, and soon.

Love the Josh Gorges ingterview he did about the Ovechkin hit, he didn't pull any punches when speaking of Ovechkins style of play, I'll try to find it to post here.

EDIT: Round 5 of Orr/Carkner tonight, been some pretty spirited bouts, Orr has the advantage so far, he's won 3 out of 4.
Round 1

YouTube- Colton Orr vs Matt Carkner Nov 17, 2009

Round 2

YouTube- Broadcast Yourself.

Round 3

YouTube- Matt Carkner vs Colton Orr Feb 6, 2010

Round 4

YouTube- Broadcast Yourself.

silent_jay · 03-18-2010, 08:52 AM

Well another questionable hit last night by Wisniewski, quite the interference penalty for sure, or charging, as watchig the video you can see him planning it from about the top of the circle, leaving his feet, I smell another suspension, BUT I bet he gets more for this than Ovechkin got for his hit from behind. About that hit from behind, is Boudreau the dumbest coach in the NHL? Hearing his comments about the Ovechkin hit from behind make him sound stupid and like he's an Ovie fanboy.

YouTube - James Wisniewski KOs Seabrook and Brent Seabrook nails Corey Perry

I love the announcers in this clip, must have been Ducks fans, calling Seabrooks hit 'high to the head', that was hardly a high hit, or a hit to the head, they have to look at the position of Perry's body on that one. Asking if Seabrook is 'selling it', yeah he's selling the hit with his eyes rolling back in his head, stupid announcers should be shot.

About the headshot rule a commentator on Sportsnet says 'what if Sydney Crosby does something totally out of character and gets 10 games, then you have the best player in the game missing 10 games'. Well if Crosby does something stupid and gets 10 games he deserves it, the announcer wants the rule directed at certain players, Cooke, Ruutu, assholes like that, my attitude is you do the crime you do the time, wether your name is Ovechkin, Malkin, Crosby, I could care less.

markhere · 03-18-2010, 08:55 AM

Go Habs Go

had to be said

silent_jay · 03-18-2010, 12:21 PM

I forgot to post this earlier as well from the Boston Herald, let's hope someone on the Bruins steps up and takes some revenge on Cooke, I know myself I'd be looking to land a sneaky elbow on the little bastard, or actually getting him to drop the gloves(which he probably won't do, he's a pansy anyways.) Some type of reprecussions has to come from this, had Campbell had half a brain we wouldn't be discussing revenge as Cooke would be sitting out the remainder of the year, much like Savard is doing now.

And we have Colin Campbell and Terry Gregson in the stands to keep things under control tonight, wonder if Campbel lis smart enough to figurte out had he just done the right thing i nthe first place, there wouldn't be a shit kicking coming for Cooke tonight.

Wes Mantooth · 03-18-2010, 11:09 PM

LOL that pic is so funny.

The NESN crew (Bruins tv station) actually did an interview with Campbell in the pre show and all I can say is wow...He shifted in his seat, stuttered, contradicted himself and generally sounded like he had no idea what he was talking about. I can't believe this guy still has a job...man if I were that bad at what I do I'd resign just to save what little dignity I have left.

This interview may wind up on you tube but I don't see it there and I can't seem to link the video from the NESN website but if you're interested just go to NESN.com and it should be on the main page...I don't know I'm a little disappointed in Mad Mike for lobbing such softball questions though I was hoping for a little bit more.

On a personal note I can't believe the Bruins mailed it in like they did tonight. Honestly I've never been so embarrassed of a team in my life as I was watching that performance. A staged fight between Cooke and Thornton, another with Chara and Rupp and just whole lot of nothing else, no heart, passion, fire or desire. Sad. This season has been pretty abysmal and lets face it they may sneak into the playoffs, but a team that scores on average 2 gaols a game isn't winning the cup. This game could have been a nice send off to the loyal fans after a terrible year and they completely and utterly failed in every conceivable way to deliver. If I was in the Garden last night I'd have been booing and throwing trash on the ice with all the fans that paid to watch this sad excuse of a team.

Worse still Claude Julien then makes this statement after the game "well I guess the fans got what they wanted". Yes Claude, we wanted to get shut out 3-0 and watch Cooke skate off the ice smiling and high fiving his team mates.

He's completely lost the team, has no idea how to adapt to adversity as a coach, once again his "system" is falling apart after a single year and apparently has no idea what the fans want either. He needs to go an NOW, he's ruining this team in my opinion.

Wow, sorry about that...I think I really needed to vent.

Oh and on a different note since I didn't get to respond earlier. That shot to Seabrook is just brutal, he looked like he'd been hit by a heavyweight boxer...christ! I don't know if I have any more energy to rant tonight and I'm glad to see the NHL step up and hand out a real suspension for that hit but man is Colin Campbell an inconsistent bastard...where have these quick, harsh suspensions been all year?

Leto · 03-19-2010, 04:24 AM

Inconsistent is the operative word. I saw Wisniewski's reaction on SportsCentre this morning. He seems to be genuinely contrite, and I tend to be sympathetic to him. But 8 games for that compared to 2 games for Ovie? give me a break. the rationale was that Seabrook didn't have the puck. But watching the replay, and taking into consideration the speed of events, ya, it looked like the puck was coming to him. I would have given Ovechkin 4 games, and matched Wisniewski to that. Just to demonstrate that Ovie's hit was fairly reckless and Wisniewski's was over-zealous and therefore reckless as well. I certainly don't think he was being malicious.

On another note, yes the Bruins look pretty pathetic last night while the Leafs looked tremendous. Why do they do this every year? A season ending run that make the team look like play-off contenders but without enoug racetrack to finish the run????? Must be the loosey-goosey feel they get when the pressure is off. I'm getting tired of saying 'wait until next year'.

silent_jay · 03-19-2010, 10:37 AM

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Inconsistent is the operative word. I saw Wisniewski's reaction on SportsCentre this morning. He seems to be genuinely contrite, and I tend to be sympathetic to him. But 8 games for that compared to 2 games for Ovie? give me a break. the rationale was that Seabrook didn't have the puck. But watching the replay, and taking into consideration the speed of events, ya, it looked like the puck was coming to him. I would have given Ovechkin 4 games, and matched Wisniewski to that. Just to demonstrate that Ovie's hit was fairly reckless and Wisniewski's was over-zealous and therefore reckless as well. I certainly don't think he was being malicious.

The puck was coming to him yes, or going around the half boards and up the wing, but that isn't the point, the player has to have the puck before contact can be initiated, and just watch Wisniewski on the replay, he was coming from about the face offf dot, which is a charge, left his feet as well, and the hands were up in his face when contact was made. See I'm the opposite, I would have hit Ovie with 8 as well, 2 games for a hit from behind just doesn't seem enough to me, especially for a repeat offender.

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On another note, yes the Bruins look pretty pathetic last night while the Leafs looked tremendous. Why do they do this every year? A season ending run that make the team look like play-off contenders but without enoug racetrack to finish the run????? Must be the loosey-goosey feel they get when the pressure is off. I'm getting tired of saying 'wait until next year'.

Oh man, so tired of saying wait to next year, so, so tired of it. They did look impressive last night though, I'm hopeful they can aquire a big centerman in the off season, to add some size up the middle, Khadri will be there next year, my opinion is that kid should have been in the AHL this year, he has all the OHL experience he needs, he needs to be playing against men now, not other kids.

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The NESN crew (Bruins tv station) actually did an interview with Campbell in the pre show and all I can say is wow...He shifted in his seat, stuttered, contradicted himself and generally sounded like he had no idea what he was talking about. I can't believe this guy still has a job...man if I were that bad at what I do I'd resign just to save what little dignity I have left.

Campbell should retire, all the fans know he's a buffaoon, all the players must know with these recent calls that he has no respect for their safety. They need wholesale changes in the NHL front office and quickly, before these idiots kill our game.

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This interview may wind up on you tube but I don't see it there and I can't seem to link the video from the NESN website but if you're interested just go to NESN.com and it should be on the main page...I don't know I'm a little disappointed in Mad Mike for lobbing such softball questions though I was hoping for a little bit more.

Of course I was interested haha, went to NESN and checked it out, and your not alone in being disappointed with Milbury, that was pathetic, I wanted to see him nail Campbell's balls to the wall, but he didn't, totally left him off the hook. Didn't even think it was the same Milbury who I see on the Satelite Hotstove on CBC being boisterous, controversial, and just all around cool.

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Worse still Claude Julien then makes this statement after the game "well I guess the fans got what they wanted". Yes Claude, we wanted to get shut out 3-0 and watch Cooke skate off the ice smiling and high fiving his team mates. He's completely lost the team, has no idea how to adapt to adversity as a coach, once again his "system" is falling apart after a single year and apparently has no idea what the fans want either. He needs to go an NOW, he's ruining this team in my opinion.

Yeah, once the coach loses the team it's time to go for sure, look at Pat Quinn when he was in Toronto. Can't believe the Bruins would come out that flat against the Pens and the guy who put their player o nthe shelf for the rest of the year. I did dig that Rupp fight though, fuckin hate Chara with a passion, he'd be fun to fight for sure, just got to plant the feet right from the start so he can't ragdoll you haha. Still can't believe that useless bastard won the Norris, what an embarassment to the greats who have won it.

On an unrelated note, can't believe Canada lost to Japan in sledge hockey at the Paralympics, what an upset for the Japanese. Really been enjoying watching sledge hockey, some great players in the tournament.

Forgot about this old video, shows the great shit talking that goes on between players, so hilarious, although if someone did this today they'd be suspended for something stupid.

YouTube- Stevens and Trottier Heckling Bellows (Long Version)

BulletCatcher · 03-21-2010, 02:15 PM

Would somebody please beat Detroit in regulation?

St Louis is playing it's best hockey of the year down the stretch but unfortunately so is Detroit. Over the past 13 games St Louis is 9-4-0. Detroit is 8-2-3. So despite having 1 more win over the stretch we still lost ground overall due to those damn overtime/SO loses.

Sorry just needed to vent a bit. Times running out on the season and with just 11 games left I don't know if it's going to be possible to make up 6 points even if we beat them ourselves on Wednesday.

silent_jay · 03-25-2010, 11:55 AM

So the NHLPA is signing off o nthe new headshot rule for the remainder of the season, now all the NHL big wigs, Campbell, Bettman, GM's players keep saying that no rule enforced this, but I beg to differ with them on this one, I present Rule 21.1

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21.1 Match Penalty - A match penalty involves the suspension of a player or goalkeeper for the balance of the game and the offender shall be ordered to the dressing room immediately.

A match penalty shall be imposed on any player or goalkeeper who deliberately attempts to injure an opponent in any manner.

A match penalty shall be imposed on a player or goalkeeper who deliberately injures an opponent in any manner.

Official Rules - Rule 21: Match Penalties - NHL.com - Rules
A match penalty also open them up to supplemental discipline from Campbell, at least it used to back when I played, get a match generally a suspension follows from the commish. So while a headshot rule is needed concerning the Richards/Booth, Cooke/Savard hits, ref should have nailed them with a match penalty for attempt to injure.

Leto · 03-25-2010, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by BulletCatcher

Would somebody please beat Detroit in regulation?

St Louis is playing it's best hockey of the year down the stretch but unfortunately so is Detroit. Over the past 13 games St Louis is 9-4-0. Detroit is 8-2-3. So despite having 1 more win over the stretch we still lost ground overall due to those damn overtime/SO loses.

Sorry just needed to vent a bit. Times running out on the season and with just 11 games left I don't know if it's going to be possible to make up 6 points even if we beat them ourselves on Wednesday.

Now you know what it has meant to be a Leaf fan over the years. Have a beer, and look forward to next year!

BulletCatcher · 03-25-2010, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Leto

Now you know what it has meant to be a Leaf fan over the years. Have a beer, and look forward to next year!

Yeah, it's pretty much over for this year.

silent_jay · 03-25-2010, 03:19 PM

Oh man, I hate saying wait until next year, although this isn't as bad as the 80's were to be a Leafs fan, the Ballard years were dreary.

streak_56 · 03-25-2010, 04:06 PM

I thought Cooke should've been out for a very long time for his hit. Ovechkins hit, was one of the few times where he should've gotten the benefit of the doubt, if he didn't have such a history with cheap hits. Cooke still needs someone to step up and ring his bell. Seabrook made a good hit and if Perry didn't fall down like he did, then it wouldn't have looked as terrible. But Wisnieski hits was bad, it had charging, boarding and hit to the head written all over it. He came from the blueline and somehow had to defend Perry because his hit looked bad? Plus the announcer on that Youtube video is an idiot, must be working at the NHL head office...

silent_jay · 03-26-2010, 10:09 AM

Ovechkins hit was bad, pushing a player from behind when he's in the danger zone of 2ft away from the boards is just a dumb move on any player ,and Boudreau sticking up for cheap shots is just ridiculous, same with Randy Carlisle, I lost a lot of respect for Carlisle after his comments about the hit. Personally I'd like the NHL to be more like the QMJHL, those fuckers are handing out suspensions like they're candy for high hits, Campbell should take a hint form their commish on how to deter dirty shots.

On to other things, David Booth took another big shot last night, this one all his own doing, now I'm all for getting cheap shots out of the game, but this was not a cheap hit, it was the definition of a defenceman stepping up on a forward who has his head down, it should be used to teach kids how to step up on the man. I mean Booth needs to keep his bloody head up in this situation, jesus you'd think the kid neer played body contact before, as for the cut on his face, thank the vsior for that, another reason to not wear one, they come back to bite you every now and again, hate wearing visors.

YouTube - Jaroslav Spacek's Hit On David Booth (March 25 2010)

streak_56 · 03-30-2010, 02:23 PM

I wear a visor and I feel the same Slient Jay. I've been hit a few times when its gone into my face. If I could remember when I broke my nose, maybe it was the visor that hit my nose instead of the other guy, I was slightly dazed.

Spaceks hit was perfect, step up on the guy at the blue line. Nothing wrong with that play and the scrum that follows isn't needed. I remember that I smoked a guy once for having his head down and people were all over my ass for it. I never understood why but for some odd reason when someone gets hurt, there's no such thing as a clean hit in their minds. Although I was damn proud of myself.

silent_jay · 03-30-2010, 07:05 PM

I've only had to wear visors in one league and that was back when you could wear the thing on your forehead so it didn't really do any good, but as soon as I moved on the visor was tossed.

Haha yeah people hate a good solid hit for some reason, back when I played I never saw the need to fight if someone smoked one of our players, now if it was the 'star', then I'd have no choice, but just a regular old player I couldn't be bothered.

silent_jay · 04-01-2010, 07:36 AM

Anyone happen to catch Keep Your Head Up Kid? Quite an enjoyable movie, always been a huge Grapes fan so it was nice to get a little insight into the man behind the personality. The guy playing Grapes did quite the job, the old skates and gloves were great to see, love those old things.

Also what about Carcillo getting 2 games for that cross check? I hate Carcillo, I mean hate the guy, he's not a hockey player at all, but 2 games for that just seems excessive to me, although I suppose I shouldn't be surprised given who dishes out the punishments.

YouTube- Dan Carcillo Cross Checks David Clarkson 3/28/2010

Had that clip had the whole incident you'd be able to see that Carcillo didn't drop the gloves once he saw Clarkson was cut, and even appeared to apologise, and give Clarkson a pat on the lower back. Ovechkin gets 2 for pushing Campbell from behind ino the boards and this also gets 2 games, just another example of how the NHL is fucked up. They should hire the Commish of the QMJHL to do Campbells job, that fucker wil lthrow out longer suspensions, maybe then the message will get across.

IdeoFunk · 04-11-2010, 08:49 PM

Wootttt can't wait for the playoffs to get underway. Anybody care to fathom any picks as to who will take the cup? I'm thinking a very likely Cup Finals could be Jersey vs Chicago, both are teams have some depth of character. Although, ideally I'd like to see Buffalo ride Miller to the cup. Buffalo and Boston is going to be a wicked first round matchup. Anyways here's my pics for the first round:

First Round
WAS vs MTL
NJ vs PHI
BUF vs BOS
PIT vs OTT

SJ vs COL
CHI vs NAS
VAN vs LA
PHX vs DET

Don't really see much chances for upsets except for I guess MTL...... although that's probably more just wishful thinking haha

And yeah tough loss for the Rangers today, especially considering how strongly they started out the year...

Boggy · 04-11-2010, 09:57 PM

Henrik Sedin wins the Ross! Woo! Go Canucks!!
I'd like to see Keep your head up, kid. Missed it when it was aired on TV. I'll grab the dvd if/when they release it.

silent_jay · 04-11-2010, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Boggy

Henrik Sedin wins the Ross! Woo! Go Canucks!!
I'd like to see Keep your head up, kid. Missed it when it was aired on TV. I'll grab the dvd if/when they release it.

Not too sure if you torrent or not but:
Part 1
Keep.Your.Head.Up.Kid.The.Don.Cherry.Story.Part.1.HDTV.XviD-2HD Torrent - btjunkie
Part 2
Keep.Your.Head.Up.Kid.The.Don.Cherry.Story.Part.2.HDTV.XviD-2HD Torrent - btjunkie

Great movie by the way, loved it.

streak_56 · 04-12-2010, 07:14 PM

I'm surprised I haven't seen the video of Evander Kane knocking out Cooke.

But I'll stick with my wings for this playoff year, they had one hell of a run to get into 5th place.

03-07-2010, 11:20 PM	#124 (permalink)
Wes Mantooth Junkie Location: Tennessee	UGH, yeah I was watching that game this afternoon, calling it disgusting would be an understatement. Considering his past I'd say a good 10 games seems warranted but I know that won't happen...actually I think the fair way to handle would be to have him sit out as many games as Savard does. What really bothers me about this is it seems like the NHL is doing absolutely nothing to discourage hits to the head like this one. Suspensions seem haphazard at best and in this case it didn't even call for a minor penalty. Think about that, if a player accidentally gets his stick to high and busts a players lip he's in the box for 4 mins and rightfully so, its dangerous and can cause serious injury. Yet in this case a man intentionally charges across the ice and knocks a player unconscious with his elbow and he's still out there on the ice while the victim is being loaded into an ambulance. What a great way to discourage these kinds of hits NHL I hope Savard is okay and back playing soon. Really after the season the Bruins have had this year this is just the icing on the cake. __________________ “My god I must have missed it...its hell down here!”

03-09-2010, 12:22 AM	#126 (permalink)
Wes Mantooth Junkie Location: Tennessee	I agree and honestly I think its going to take somebody being killed, paralyzed or left a vegetable before they really take a serious look and do anything about it. Although I have to wonder if that had been Crosby laying on the ice would they have finally taken it seriously? I dunno, its frustrating. Today Colin Campbell was going on about how he didn't see an elbow so he's still evaluating how to handle it. Should it really matter if it was an elbow? His shoulder? His stick? The result of the hit should be what matters not what Cooke used to deliver it. From the sound of it they will probably give him a token 4 games and try to sweep another ugly head shot under the rug and hope the whole thing goes away. Sometimes I think the NHL is run by complete idiots. Agree with you on touch icing as well. I saw the video package they ran on Coaches Corner last week and the whole time I'm thinking after ALL of that the NHL is still deliberating on what to do. Seriously...idiots, nothing else can possibly explain it. __________________ “My god I must have missed it...its hell down here!”

03-09-2010, 05:58 AM	#127 (permalink)
Leto Junkie Location: The Danforth	hmm. this is out there, but why don't we just fire off an email to Betman. I'm sure he will consider it. After all, we are the paying customers. / naivety rant __________________ You said you didn't give a fuck about hockey And I never saw someone say that before You held my hand and we walked home the long way You were loosening my grip on Bobby Orr http://dune.wikia.com/wiki/Leto_Atreides_I

03-09-2010, 11:42 AM	#128 (permalink)
Leto Junkie Location: The Danforth	Hey, Charlatan... take a look at this. You can enjoy HNIC on Yahoo now: Yahoo to livestream Hockey Night in Canada - Digital Life Yahoo to livestream Hockey Night in Canada By Gillian Shaw 9 Mar 2010 COMMENTS(2) Digital Life Filed under: CBC, hockey night in Canada, hockey, livestream Yahoo! Canada will start livestreaming CBC’s Hockey Night this Saturday and continue delivering hockey online through the Stanley Cup championship. Available at yahoo.cbc.ca, the service will include broadcasts live and on demand. “It’s no secret Canadians love hockey, and as part of the company’s focus on delivering ‘wow’ consumer experiences, Yahoo! Canada wanted to make the experience of watching games even better,” Gina Cothey, director, audience, Yahoo! Canada said in a release announcing the new service. “Hockey fans can watch their favourite teams in action and catch up on all the news and analysis from the hockey world just by visiting Yahoo! Canada.“ __________________ You said you didn't give a fuck about hockey And I never saw someone say that before You held my hand and we walked home the long way You were loosening my grip on Bobby Orr http://dune.wikia.com/wiki/Leto_Atreides_I

03-10-2010, 12:34 AM	#130 (permalink)
Wes Mantooth Junkie Location: Tennessee	Good post, I think whats also frustrating is the whole thing makes the NHL look bush league and gives the casual sports fan another reason to think the sport and the NHL is a joke. You'd never see this kind of nonsense in the NFL or MLB, suspensions are usually handed out quickly and for the most part are very consistent....they also hurt. Look at some of the head shots this year, Richards gets nothing, Lapierre gets 4 games, Neil no suspension, Cooke...don't know yet. Why is there no consistent and quick penalty for something the NHL says it wants to eliminate from the game? Such a track record makes them look both stupid and hypocritical, they set precidents and then ignore them. If the issue wasn't so serious it would be rather comical to be honest. Here's an interesting article written last year during the playoffs, its a little Bruins heavy and written by the biggest Bruins homer alive, Jack Edwards, but he makes a great point about the NHL and its "dartboard" justice system. Rather a good read considering the topic and hand. Dartboard Justice in NHL - Jack Edwards - NESN.com __________________ “My god I must have missed it...its hell down here!”

02-19-2010, 04:55 PM	#121 (permalink)
silent_jay Her Jay Location: Ontario for now....	Hey Jim Kyte, I used to teach at his brother Murray's hockey school when I was younger for about 5 years, Jim would always come and lend a hand for a week or so in the summer, what a nice man he is, always willing to help anyone out, always stayed behind to help the kids who were maybe not the greatest, he'd always stay with the instructors afterwards and play a game with us every night he was there, an all around great guy.

03-07-2010, 12:42 AM	#122 (permalink)
silent_jay Her Jay Location: Ontario for now....	Another cheap shot tonight, Ryder on Comeau, pretty brutal hit, just another sign of the lack of respect shown by players, especially after I believe Lapierre hit last night, hopefully it's the same suspension 4 games, although if they want to start sending a message they should be getting 8 or 10 for these cheap from behind shots.

03-08-2010, 11:51 AM	#125 (permalink)
silent_jay Her Jay Location: Ontario for now....	If the NHL truly wants headshots to stop, and hits like this Cooke hit, and the cheap shots during touch icings, like during the Marlies game, they have to get serious about suspensions, give Cooke the rest of the season off for the hit, that would send a message that they won't be tolerated, this 4 game bullshit like Laperiere got the other night is well nothing but bullshit, 4 games doesn't send a message, they have to start getting serious, and knock off the double standards for suspensions, doesn't matter if he's a repeat offender, they do somethign stupid, first time or third time, they get a massive suspension either way.

03-11-2010, 12:26 AM	#132 (permalink)
Wes Mantooth Junkie Location: Tennessee	I heard this just before I took off for rehearsal earlier this afternoon and honestly I'm having a hard time getting upset about it, not because it makes sense or it was the right decision but because I already expected it. All you can really do is just shrug and shake your head I guess. Does anybody remember Sean Avery and his sloppy seconds comment last year? He got 7 games (if I remember right) and was essentially fired from the Dallas Stars for that little comment, I don't think it needs pointing out how ridiculous that really is when compared to hits that could potentially kill somebody going completely unpunished. Its funny when Campbell finally gets somewhat consistent in his rulings he does so in the most ass backwards way possible, its really quite amazing. What I'd like to know is what is the NHL doing to protect its players? The instigator rule takes away the players ability to police the ice themselves and in turn the NHL is almost refusing to hand out punishment to discourage dangerous hits and other monkey business. Their position encourages these kinds of hits by default, especially out of revenge. Like I said before somebody is going to have to wind up dead, paralyzed or left a vegetable before they take any serious action and that's a pretty sad commentary on the leadership of the NHL. Personally Jay I like your idea about Campbell being subjected to these hits, maybe if the hit doesn't do it it will jar that lump of shit he calls a brain loose and he might start using it. I read that about the Lightening players just before I came here Jay and I'm glad to see some actual players speaking up about this kind of stuff. It made me think that maybe the players and not just those who are teammates of the victim, but all the players in NHL will finally get fed up and take action as one large group. Imagine if every single time Cooke (or any idiot that does something this stupid) steps out on the ice, in every game he plays, he has a target on his back. I bet he'd shape up pretty quick. __________________ “My god I must have missed it...its hell down here!”

03-12-2010, 10:29 AM	#133 (permalink)
silent_jay Her Jay Location: Ontario for now....	Yeah I guess in a way I expected Campbell to do nothing, but there was that little part of me that thought maybe he's use to this to actually take a stand on these types of things, especially from people like Cooke, the kids a modern day Ulf Samuelson, no respect for anybody on the ice with him. Yeah, I can't believe Avery as much as I hate him, got 7 games for that yet Richards and Cooke get nothing, even though Booth missed 45 games and Savard is done for the year. It is amusing though, he uses a hit that should have garnered a suspension to decide the punishment for another hit that deserved a suspension, it's mind boggling where his sense of logic is. Ugh, the instigator rule, that bloody rule gave idiots like Cooke, Jarko Ruutu, Dan Carcillo all carte blanche to be idiots, they need to drop that rule and watch those pussies fall lin line. Campbell should be dishing out 10-15 game suspension for hits like Richards, Cooke, and al lthese other stupid moves like during icings, hit them with something more than 4 games, then they'l llearn oh shit maybe I shouldn't do this. Cooke could have caught Savards body, but if you watch the replay he was aiming for his head, no matter what he says his intention was or wasn't, he knew he was going to catch Savard in the head.

03-12-2010, 07:56 PM	#135 (permalink)
silent_jay Her Jay Location: Ontario for now....	Anyone happen to see the Recchi interview? He had the balls to say what the rest of us have been saying, a loose quote is, 'I have a feeling if that had happened to Sidney Crosby, the result would have been different'. He had some more comments about Cooke and his history of these types af actions, and also said that Campbell 'dropped the ball on this one'. I've always liked Recchi, and his being outspoken on this issue has made me like him even more.

03-14-2010, 12:46 PM	#137 (permalink)
Wes Mantooth Junkie Location: Tennessee	Yeah I read the Recchi interview a few days ago and I was pretty impressed with it. I think its a great sign to have an older veteran of the sport speaking out against this stuff and calling it like it is. At the very least he's getting the idea out there amongst players, fans and journalists. Hopefully the talk keeps up, people don't forget and it forces the NHL to take real action. Caught Coaches Corner late last night after I got home (only feed here for the Bruins game was Hockey Night in Canada on the NHL network) and I LOVED his rant on Cooke and the hit, very good stuff. I would have LOVE to be a fly on the wall when Cooke asked him if he'd say that stuff to his face...the look on Cookes face must have priceless. Good overall show except for the final score....Tukka Rask...gotta handle the puck better then that buddy. I've been incredibly busy this weekend and I missed the Ovechkin hit (looks like that was today's game...how did I miss that?) I agree with your opinion Jay, great player, seems like a good guy but he's just too reckless. The NHL needs to grow a pair, sit him for a bit and use him as an example or at the very least show him that their will be consequence if he doesn't stop being so reckless. If they suspend a huge star like Ovechkin it would really help send the message...not that they will of course. I like hard hits as much as the next guy but somebody has to start doing something to limit reckless and dangerous hits. EDIT: Looks like Crosby got a dirty hit to the knee this afternoon as well. Haven't seen it yet but it sounds like Downie took a run at the back of his knee...Honestly Campbell is this the NHL you want? Dirty, reckless ugly hits that could potentially end careers? By not taking action on this stuff its creating an environment for these kind of hits to thrive and its disgusting. Colin Campbell needs to go, now. Although the irony of this hit happening to Crosby (who appears to be okay) in light of Cooke hit last Sunday is pretty glaring. It almost makes you wonder if Downie wasn't trying to send a message to the league with this one. __________________ “My god I must have missed it...its hell down here!” Last edited by Wes Mantooth; 03-14-2010 at 02:15 PM..

03-15-2010, 03:12 PM	#138 (permalink)
silent_jay Her Jay Location: Ontario for now....	Ovie gets 2 games, Laperiere got 4 games for the same basic hit, double standard much? Why all this Ovechkin support as well, Maxim never got that, no one said anything in favour of him, but because of who Ovie is, they're making excuses for him, I even heard one player say 'you have to be aware as a defenceman'. Now I played defence in some pretty good leagues, and Campbell knew he was there, what he wasn't expecting is to be shoved from behind into the boards. Everyone keeps talking about Ovechkins strength, now what the heck has that got to do with pushing a player from behind into the boards? It's nonsense.

03-15-2010, 11:05 PM	#139 (permalink)
Wes Mantooth Junkie Location: Tennessee	Jay- I think, in all honesty the NHL is just lost right now. They are sinking as a league here in the states and (I could be wrong about this) but I thought I read somewhere that viewership was down in Canada too. It almost seems that, from Bettman on down the league is just grasping at any thing to get ratings and keep interest up. Ovie factors into this, sitting him more then 2 games means he misses the upcoming Washington/Pittsburgh game. Without Crosby/Ovechkin the interest isn't as high, hence the weak suspension for a reckless, repeat offender. In other words players health and the integrity of the league simply don't matter, Ovechkin is a HUGE star and they need that star power. Any other major sports league and Ovie, Lapierre, Richards, Cooke and others would have received quick, harsh, consistent suspensions or fines, the only real difference would be more games or money for repeat offenders. Nor would any other sports league continue to have such vague rules concerning dangerous hits...honestly this stuff should have been sorted out YEARS ago. I don't know if you follow the NFL or not but you might remember spygate with the New England Patriots? At the time they were perhaps one of the most watched team in the league, Tom Brady was one of the biggest stars in the game and they were becoming a HUGE source of revenue for the NFL. The team is caught taping signals from the sideline...oops...and what did the NFL do? They came down hard on the whole franchise. Coach Bellicheck is fined something like 500,000 dollars and the team docked (I think) 2 draft picks. It destroyed the teams reputation and put a huge black mark on the upcoming (nearly) undefeated season that year, something I'm sure the NFL would love to have marketed with a team not labeled cheaters. Why am I writing about this you may ask? Because the NFL wasn't afraid to punish a team that broke the rules, popularity and revenue be damned, they broke the rules and had to pay the penalty. Until the NHL learns to take that approach to handing out punishment they will continue to be the joke of the sports world, which is a crying shame because hockey is such a great sport. __________________ “My god I must have missed it...its hell down here!”

03-18-2010, 08:55 AM	#142 (permalink)
markhere Upright Location: ontario	Go Habs Go had to be said

03-18-2010, 12:21 PM	#143 (permalink)
silent_jay Her Jay Location: Ontario for now....	I forgot to post this earlier as well from the Boston Herald, let's hope someone on the Bruins steps up and takes some revenge on Cooke, I know myself I'd be looking to land a sneaky elbow on the little bastard, or actually getting him to drop the gloves(which he probably won't do, he's a pansy anyways.) Some type of reprecussions has to come from this, had Campbell had half a brain we wouldn't be discussing revenge as Cooke would be sitting out the remainder of the year, much like Savard is doing now. And we have Colin Campbell and Terry Gregson in the stands to keep things under control tonight, wonder if Campbel lis smart enough to figurte out had he just done the right thing i nthe first place, there wouldn't be a shit kicking coming for Cooke tonight. Last edited by silent_jay; 03-18-2010 at 03:11 PM..

03-18-2010, 11:09 PM	#144 (permalink)
Wes Mantooth Junkie Location: Tennessee	LOL that pic is so funny. The NESN crew (Bruins tv station) actually did an interview with Campbell in the pre show and all I can say is wow...He shifted in his seat, stuttered, contradicted himself and generally sounded like he had no idea what he was talking about. I can't believe this guy still has a job...man if I were that bad at what I do I'd resign just to save what little dignity I have left. This interview may wind up on you tube but I don't see it there and I can't seem to link the video from the NESN website but if you're interested just go to NESN.com and it should be on the main page...I don't know I'm a little disappointed in Mad Mike for lobbing such softball questions though I was hoping for a little bit more. On a personal note I can't believe the Bruins mailed it in like they did tonight. Honestly I've never been so embarrassed of a team in my life as I was watching that performance. A staged fight between Cooke and Thornton, another with Chara and Rupp and just whole lot of nothing else, no heart, passion, fire or desire. Sad. This season has been pretty abysmal and lets face it they may sneak into the playoffs, but a team that scores on average 2 gaols a game isn't winning the cup. This game could have been a nice send off to the loyal fans after a terrible year and they completely and utterly failed in every conceivable way to deliver. If I was in the Garden last night I'd have been booing and throwing trash on the ice with all the fans that paid to watch this sad excuse of a team. Worse still Claude Julien then makes this statement after the game "well I guess the fans got what they wanted". Yes Claude, we wanted to get shut out 3-0 and watch Cooke skate off the ice smiling and high fiving his team mates. He's completely lost the team, has no idea how to adapt to adversity as a coach, once again his "system" is falling apart after a single year and apparently has no idea what the fans want either. He needs to go an NOW, he's ruining this team in my opinion. Wow, sorry about that...I think I really needed to vent. Oh and on a different note since I didn't get to respond earlier. That shot to Seabrook is just brutal, he looked like he'd been hit by a heavyweight boxer...christ! I don't know if I have any more energy to rant tonight and I'm glad to see the NHL step up and hand out a real suspension for that hit but man is Colin Campbell an inconsistent bastard...where have these quick, harsh suspensions been all year? __________________ “My god I must have missed it...its hell down here!” Last edited by Wes Mantooth; 03-18-2010 at 11:11 PM..

03-19-2010, 04:24 AM	#145 (permalink)
Leto Junkie Location: The Danforth	Inconsistent is the operative word. I saw Wisniewski's reaction on SportsCentre this morning. He seems to be genuinely contrite, and I tend to be sympathetic to him. But 8 games for that compared to 2 games for Ovie? give me a break. the rationale was that Seabrook didn't have the puck. But watching the replay, and taking into consideration the speed of events, ya, it looked like the puck was coming to him. I would have given Ovechkin 4 games, and matched Wisniewski to that. Just to demonstrate that Ovie's hit was fairly reckless and Wisniewski's was over-zealous and therefore reckless as well. I certainly don't think he was being malicious. On another note, yes the Bruins look pretty pathetic last night while the Leafs looked tremendous. Why do they do this every year? A season ending run that make the team look like play-off contenders but without enoug racetrack to finish the run????? Must be the loosey-goosey feel they get when the pressure is off. I'm getting tired of saying 'wait until next year'. __________________ You said you didn't give a fuck about hockey And I never saw someone say that before You held my hand and we walked home the long way You were loosening my grip on Bobby Orr http://dune.wikia.com/wiki/Leto_Atreides_I

03-21-2010, 02:15 PM	#147 (permalink)
BulletCatcher Crazy Location: America's Outback	Would somebody please beat Detroit in regulation? St Louis is playing it's best hockey of the year down the stretch but unfortunately so is Detroit. Over the past 13 games St Louis is 9-4-0. Detroit is 8-2-3. So despite having 1 more win over the stretch we still lost ground overall due to those damn overtime/SO loses. Sorry just needed to vent a bit. Times running out on the season and with just 11 games left I don't know if it's going to be possible to make up 6 points even if we beat them ourselves on Wednesday.

03-25-2010, 03:19 PM	#151 (permalink)
silent_jay Her Jay Location: Ontario for now....	Oh man, I hate saying wait until next year, although this isn't as bad as the 80's were to be a Leafs fan, the Ballard years were dreary.

03-25-2010, 04:06 PM	#152 (permalink)
streak_56 who ever said streaking was a bad thing? Location: Calgary	I thought Cooke should've been out for a very long time for his hit. Ovechkins hit, was one of the few times where he should've gotten the benefit of the doubt, if he didn't have such a history with cheap hits. Cooke still needs someone to step up and ring his bell. Seabrook made a good hit and if Perry didn't fall down like he did, then it wouldn't have looked as terrible. But Wisnieski hits was bad, it had charging, boarding and hit to the head written all over it. He came from the blueline and somehow had to defend Perry because his hit looked bad? Plus the announcer on that Youtube video is an idiot, must be working at the NHL head office...

03-30-2010, 02:23 PM	#154 (permalink)
streak_56 who ever said streaking was a bad thing? Location: Calgary	I wear a visor and I feel the same Slient Jay. I've been hit a few times when its gone into my face. If I could remember when I broke my nose, maybe it was the visor that hit my nose instead of the other guy, I was slightly dazed. Spaceks hit was perfect, step up on the guy at the blue line. Nothing wrong with that play and the scrum that follows isn't needed. I remember that I smoked a guy once for having his head down and people were all over my ass for it. I never understood why but for some odd reason when someone gets hurt, there's no such thing as a clean hit in their minds. Although I was damn proud of myself.

03-30-2010, 07:05 PM	#155 (permalink)
silent_jay Her Jay Location: Ontario for now....	I've only had to wear visors in one league and that was back when you could wear the thing on your forehead so it didn't really do any good, but as soon as I moved on the visor was tossed. Haha yeah people hate a good solid hit for some reason, back when I played I never saw the need to fight if someone smoked one of our players, now if it was the 'star', then I'd have no choice, but just a regular old player I couldn't be bothered.

04-11-2010, 08:49 PM	#157 (permalink)
IdeoFunk Crazy Location: to	Wootttt can't wait for the playoffs to get underway. Anybody care to fathom any picks as to who will take the cup? I'm thinking a very likely Cup Finals could be Jersey vs Chicago, both are teams have some depth of character. Although, ideally I'd like to see Buffalo ride Miller to the cup. Buffalo and Boston is going to be a wicked first round matchup. Anyways here's my pics for the first round: First Round WAS vs MTL NJ vs PHI BUF vs BOS PIT vs OTT SJ vs COL CHI vs NAS VAN vs LA PHX vs DET Don't really see much chances for upsets except for I guess MTL...... although that's probably more just wishful thinking haha And yeah tough loss for the Rangers today, especially considering how strongly they started out the year... __________________ ...out here in the perimeter there are no stars...

04-11-2010, 09:57 PM	#158 (permalink)
Boggy Upright	Henrik Sedin wins the Ross! Woo! Go Canucks!! I'd like to see Keep your head up, kid. Missed it when it was aired on TV. I'll grab the dvd if/when they release it.

04-12-2010, 07:14 PM	#160 (permalink)
streak_56 who ever said streaking was a bad thing? Location: Calgary	I'm surprised I haven't seen the video of Evander Kane knocking out Cooke. But I'll stick with my wings for this playoff year, they had one hell of a run to get into 5th place.