The 2009-2010 NHL Season: General News & Discussion Thread

[silent_jay]

Originally Posted by streak_56

I'm surprised I haven't seen the video of Evander Kane knocking out Cooke.

But I'll stick with my wings for this playoff year, they had one hell of a run to get into 5th place.

Never even knew that happened, shows how much Sportscenter I've been watching, on a side note, funniest headline in hockey history

Pittsburgh Penguin tough guy Matt Cooke suffers on ice TKO

Pittsburgh Penguin tough guy Matt Cooke suffers on ice TKO | - MassLive.com My Wide World - MassLive.com
Cooke a tough guy? Cooke's a little bitch who should be kicked in the nuts every day of his life so the world isn't soiled with another asshole like him.

As for the video

YouTube - Matt Cooke vs Evander Kane Apr 10, 2010 - SportSouth feed

YouTube - Matt Cooke vs Evander Kane Apr 10, 2010 - SportSouth feed

[IdeoFunk]

Damn that was a close game in Buffalo.... this one's definitely going the length. Hoping the Habbies can pull off the OT upset, gotta get those Cap players out of the hockey pool haha

[Radio Monk33]

Looks like a pretty wild start to the playoffs. Glad to see the Caps taken down a peg in OT.

My Canucks won, but what a boring game. I want my 2 hours back.

[silent_jay]

Thoughts on the Sutton hit?

YouTube - NHL 2010 Playoffs - Andy Sutton's Hit On Jordan Leopold (April 16 2010)

YouTube - NHL 2010 Playoffs - Andy Sutton's Hit On Jordan Leopold (April 16 2010)

Personally glad no suspension will be handed down, I'm all for taking dirty shots and head shots out of the game, but players have to protect themselves, Leopold clearly had his head down, and got caught in the 'trolley tracks' as they say, and paid the price, Sutton never had his hands up, or as some Pens are saying a forearm, they must be seeing differrent replays than I am, for once a good call from the NHL in my opinion.

[Leto]

At the 1:19 mark, which is the 3rd slowmo replay, you can see what I thought last night was a forearm. But it doesn't seem to be intentional, and it is more because Leopald was bent over more.


Brutal play, but good playoff hockey. I think the right call was made.

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Originally Posted by Leto

..... tonight's opening game between the Montreal Canadiens & the Toronto Maple Leafs is an immediate classic between two teams that will be battling for the final playoff spot come April. (by the way, the Leafs will prevail over the Habs in April ....

I'm glad nobody went to my first post to point out the embarrasing prediction (typical of a Leaf fan).... Wait till next year I say. I'll root for Vancouver to get into the final.

[Hektore]

I was watching live last night and from the look on FSN it appeared came with the elbow to the head, but not elbowing as it was down at his side. Leopold was bent over, but Sutton came up as he was coming into the hit. I've never played hockey and it appears legal but it looks like he was going for a head shot. May have been legal but was still a dick thing to do.

[silent_jay]

A dick thing to do? It's called body contact, if a player has his head down, he knows what could happen, they teach you the first time you start contact, keep your head up, or you're going to get hammered. I mean, what's Sutton supposed to do, give him a pass? No it's his job to hit him, and if he gave him a pass it would send the wrong message about the Sens defence, is it shitty Leopold got hurt, for sure, will he learn a lesson from this, definitely, what's that lesson, keep your fuckin head up.

As for Sutton coming up, the guys 6'6"/250lbs, and Leopold was bent over to begin with, had Sutton came up into the hit, he would have flown over top of him.
This is about the best pic I can get at the point of impact, look how low Leopold is, and the angle that Sutton is coming in at.

I'm glad nobody went to my first post to point out the embarrasing prediction (typical of a Leaf fan).... Wait till next year I say. I'll root for Vancouver to get into the final.

Hehe, Leafs fans like us are the same every year Leto, we always think the Leafs will be battling for a spot in the post season, I honestly thought they had a shot like you said for the final spot, but just a collection of shitty play, bad goaltending, lazy players, but hopefully the young guys come back with the same energy they had at the end of the year.
Oh and fuck me, as decent as Kessel is, what a waste of a first rounder that was, the Leafs have to stop trading away first round picks for unproven players, seems in this day and age one good year makes them superstars, without actually proving anything.

[Glory's Sun]

Glad to see some contact is being allowed for the postseason at least.

Also glad my Red Wings won one game in this series. I'm not expecting them to do much at all.

[Leto]

Watching the Vancouver / Kings game and discovered that it is being streamed live on CBC. I'm actually pretty impressed with all that the CBC web site has to offer. So even Charlatan can get his playoff fix way out there in Singapore...


Link to the live stream:

CBC.ca Sports - Hockey Night in Canada iDesk

No lag as compared to the tv beside me.

[IdeoFunk]

Originally Posted by Leto

Watching the Vancouver / Kings game and discovered that it is being streamed live on CBC. I'm actually pretty impressed with all that the CBC web site has to offer. So even Charlatan can get his playoff fix way out there in Singapore...


Link to the live stream:

CBC.ca Sports - Hockey Night in Canada iDesk

No lag as compared to the tv beside me.

It's great CBCs streaming it, I don't have a TV so its the only way I can watch a game without having to head over to my buddy's. I just can't believe TSN somehow has the rights to the Capitals Canadiens series. Not very happy that I missed that game last night.

[silent_jay]

Hate TSN's coverage, they have the HNIC song, and I have to deal with McGuire, still hate that fucker.

They stream the games here as well, video quality probably isn't as good as the CBC streams, but it's hockey haha.
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[Hektore]

Look, I'm not saying it wasn't a clean hit, it was. You can hit a person cleanly with the intent to injure, which is what I see when I watch the replay. We probably aren't going to agree on this, but he could have cleaned his clock without going for the injury. I understand that he's under no obligation to not hurt him, but it's still a dick thing to do in my book.

As for not coming up, look at the clip at about the 1:08 mark, there is a spot there where Sutton is standing up; his skates are a foot off the ice and Leopold is still in mid-air.

[silent_jay]

You can hit a person cleanly with the intent to injure, which is what I see when I watch the replay.

You aren't trying to kiss them, you're trying to hit them, of course you're trying to hurt them, every person I hit throughout my career I tried to hurt, don't take it easy on them, because they sure as hell aren't going to take it easy on you, that's what I was always told, hit them so they feel it, otherwise it's kind of pointless to have contact if you aren't going to hit them hard.

We probably aren't going to agree on this, but he could have cleaned his clock without going for the injury.

Oh we aren't going to agree on this, I can guarantee that. Going for the injury? Leopold is to blame for his injury, how about putting some responsibility on the player skating down the ice in a game that has contact with his head down checking to see if his laces are tied up, I mean jesus, can't blame Sutton for doing his job..

I understand that he's under no obligation to not hurt him, but it's still a dick thing to do in my book.

As you said, you've never played hockey, and calling a perfectly clean hit 'a dick thing to do', shows that, had you played before, or knew more about the game, you'd see it otherwise, he did his job, head down, hammer him into the ground.

As for not coming up, look at the clip at about the 1:08 mark, there is a spot there where Sutton is standing up; his skates are a foot off the ice and Leopold is still in mid-air.

Yes after the time of impact he was in the air, after he had hit him, ever hit someone fro mthe angle he did and try to stay completely on the ice? It isn't easy, but he wasn't up before or during the hit, only after which is not a penalty, sorry.

[Hektore]

I've played American Football and Rugby for more than 10 years, I know about hitting people who've put themselves into a vulnerable position. I also understand that there is a difference between hitting someone because it's a part of the game and hitting someone to end their season, regardless of the hit falling within the rules of fair play. You don't seem to think that distinction exists, which is fine, but I do. You aren't going to change my mind on that and I've said my peace about where I think that hit falls.

I'm willing to concede that Sutton may not have been able to prevent coming up the way that he did, I don't understand how being on skates changes the mechanics of hitting. My suspicion is it's not as much as you would have me believe, but I'm willing to concede judgement having never been on skates.

[silent_jay]

I've played American Football and Rugby for more than 10 years, I know about hitting people who've put themselves into a vulnerable position.

That's cool, like football and used to play rugby in high school years ago, only problem there is, neither sport is as fast as hockey and really can't be compared to hockey in any way, aside from them both allowing hitting.

I also understand that there is a difference between hitting someone because it's a part of the game and hitting someone to end their season, regardless of the hit falling within the rules of fair play.

Well let's see, Leopold coming down the boards with his head down, Sutton 6'6" 250lb defenceman coming up the boards to hit the man coming at him with his head down, how is that not part of hockey again? I mean I only played the game for 20 years as a defenceman so what do I know about a hit being part of the game.

I'm willing to concede that Sutton may not have been able to prevent coming up the way that he did, I don't understand how being on skates changes the mechanics of hitting. My suspicion is it's not as much as you would have me believe, but I'm willing to concede judgement having never been on skates.

I'm not trying to make you believe anything, it's the truth, after you hit someone fro mthe angle Sutton did, it's damn near impossible to stay completely on your feet, I mean watch the replay, Sutton fell after the hit from being off balance.

As for skates and the mechanics of hitting, it changes a lot, you have no idea how hard it is to hit someone and still keep your balance, which is why I say football and rugby have nothing in common with hockey, aside from allowing contact.

[rahl]

bottom line is the hit was clean, he just happened to get hurt. No big deal. 99% of the time the player bounces back up, just not this time.


by the way. Lets go pens!!! series 2-1

[silent_jay]

Pretty much rahl, it was clean hit, thinking it was 'a dick thing to do' is just wrong, it's part of the game, it's a contact sport, when you have your head down, and have a huge defenseman coming at you, you're going to feel it when he hits you, you won't always get KO'd like Leopold did, and most times you'll get back up, get the guys number and try to land your own clean hit. There is always intent to injure when hitting someone, you're hitting them for a reason, not to see if they smell nice, all this dick move and intent to end his season is adding to as Millbury puts it 'the pussification of the sport'.

Looks like Theodore won't be starting tonight, after he impersonated a pylon last game.

[orionnebula]

Are the Sharks preparing another collapse in the playoff, they event help themselve doing that last night.

Boyle scoring in his own goal.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uHUg...ature=youtu.be

[IdeoFunk]

Originally Posted by orionnebula

Are the Sharks preparing another collapse in the playoff, they event help themselve doing that last night.

Boyle scoring in his own goal.
YouTube - Dan Boyle OT Goal (4/18/10)

I don't know if you saw the game, but the only reason Colorado won was because of a few miraculous bounces and an incredible performace by Anderson. San Jose still has a good chance of coming back and taking this series. It's funny cause I have Boyle in my hockey pool, I'm under the impression that he should get credit for that goal haha.

I'm not too happy about the loss of Vanek, not looking good for the Sabres.

[silent_jay]

I can't believe the goal was wasn't allowed in the Canucks/Kings game, I mean jesus fuck that was terrible, and that is why I hate video review, I'd like to hear how they think the puck was kicked in. During the conference one of the refs had it right with his hand gestures, it bounced off the skate while Sedin was turning, I mean, that was pretty obvious, hell Stevie Wonder could have seen that, that's just a fuckin terrible call.

[Glory's Sun]

KABOOM!!!

YouTube - Johnny Boychuk HUGE HIT on Matt Ellis (Hit of the Playoffs) - April 19, 2010 (HD)

YouTube - Johnny Boychuk HUGE HIT on Matt Ellis (Hit of the Playoffs) - April 19, 2010 (HD)

[Leto]

wow. this is going to be a good playoffs.

[silent_jay]

When are players going to learn, keep your fuckin head up, I mean jesus, hockey has body contact, maybe their coaches failed them as kids and never taught them haha. Perfect play by Boychuk though, text book on how to step up as a defenseman, loved it.

Well I figured out why the Sedin goal was not allowed last night, Colin fuckin Campbell made the final call after consult with the officials in Toronto, everything that asshole touches turns to shit. Aside from that they need to revisit that rule anyways to actually clear things up, they have the distinct kicking motion portion and the propelling forward portion, it's an all around fucked up rule.

Chris Neil, what a cement head, gets a goal to possibly get his team back in the game after giving up 4 straight and what does the dummy do, pushes Letang after he scores for no reason and takes the penalty, this guy is a moron, he should be a minor leaguer for life, no way is he NHL material, not even in fighting.

[Zesty]

Poor Ellis, keep your head up buddy.

[silent_jay]

Well, the Sens are out, the Nucks move on, and the Habs, well the Habs need to come up big tonight. No suspension for Hossa, which well, they've got to do something about that, a defenceman is going to get killed with the little shoves and shit that go on while racing for the puck, I mean he did shove him, so to me, he gets a game, or at least should have been tossed out of that game, but I mean, the way the referring has been this playoffs I don't expect much anymore, missed high sticks, blown calls, good goals being disallowed by the idiots in Toronto, I thought the 2 referee system was supposed to make the game easier to call, seems they're just a waste of space on the ice and they can go back to the 1 ref, 2 linesmen system.

[Glory's Sun]

The Wings looked like shit. Where oh where is McCarty and Stevie Y when we need some real passion for once?

At least the Killer B's give me entertainment.

[orionnebula]

Originally Posted by silent_jay

Well, the Sens are out, the Nucks move on, and the Habs, well the Habs need to come up big tonight.

The sens are out... it's a shame but they went down to the back-2-back champions

Habs at least Halak had a big game. Game 7 who know what can happens, but Washington power play at 1 in 30 is bound to explode!!

[silent_jay]

See I was torn in that series, being from the Ottawa Valley originally I've hated the Sens since they came back in the league, they're fans seem to think they're some kind of storied franchise and should be thought of on a level as the Original Six teams, which will never happen.

The Pens, I don't hate them, but they have too many players who anytime they get touched even a little bit they automatically either throw their head back like they've been shot, or look at the ref right away to try and convince him to give them the call, and they have Matt Cooke, the litle abortion that got away, hate that bastard. Out of the two though, I was glad I suppose the Pens won, now as for back to back champions, never know, could happen again.

The Habs have to, have to stay out of the bloody penalty box, as you said, the Caps PP is going to explode eventually, and Halak can only bail them out so many times before something goes by him, so my hope is for next game the Habs get their shit together and quit taking stupid penalties.

[Glory's Sun]

I just want to see someone like Boychuk or Chara destroy the fucking shit out of Crosby. I hate that fucker.

[Wes Mantooth]

Originally Posted by guccilvr

I just want to see someone like Boychuk or Chara destroy the fucking shit out of Crosby. I hate that fucker.

That would make this the best playoffs ever in the history of EVER!!!! Boychuk needs to pull a Lucic and put Crosby through the glass, icing on the cake. What a great series Pittsburgh and Boston would be considering all the history this season, Savard returning...yeah they might get swept but it should be pretty intense.

Anyway I was down at the Bridgestone last night for the Preds/Hawks...great atmosphere, fantastic crowd, awesome game but wow could the Preds have choked any harder this year if they tried? Blown lead in game 5 with 15 seconds to go then last night they come back from a 3-1 deficit in the first to tie it up then blow the lead 20 seconds later on a powerplay and proceed to do NOTHING for the next 40 mins. Sheesh.

Man I've missed coming in here and talking hockey I've been so busy the last few weeks I've barely had time to watch games let alone talk about them. Its been a great first round so far, I hope the rest are even better.

[rahl]

Originally Posted by guccilvr

I just want to see someone like Boychuk or Chara destroy the fucking shit out of Crosby. I hate that fucker.

How can you hate Crosby? The man is awesome in every aspect of the game. He's arguably the second best player in the NHL and is a genuine class act. He has definately taken after Lemieux.

[Glory's Sun]

He's a love or hate guy.

I mostly hate him because he's the Tom Brady of hockey. Bettman and his cronies bend the rules and the calls to make sure he gets his way. He might have skill, but he's a pansy ass whiny little bitch and I seriously hope Boychuk puts him on his ass (if they meet) every chance he gets.

[rahl]

Fair enough.

[Glory's Sun]

And, I hate him because the pens took out my wings last year for the cup and the whole Olympics thing didn't help either

At least my wings are killing it tonight so far. They are playing with passion tonight and it's refreshing.

[rahl]

I'd be all for a rematch! Let's go pens!!!!

[orionnebula]

Originally Posted by rahl

I'd be all for a rematch! Let's go pens!!!!

So it will be a 2 out of 3

[IdeoFunk]

Oh boy, Montreal - Washington Game 7 was crazy... what a game!! Good to see Montreal with some good goaltending for a change. Halak has to be the future of this team, he played great in the Olympics too.

Originally Posted by silent_jay

Hate TSN's coverage, they have the HNIC song, and I have to deal with McGuire, still hate that fucker.

They stream the games here as well, video quality probably isn't as good as the CBC streams, but it's hockey haha.
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And silentjay I must thank you greatly for sharing this weblink... you truly are the king of kings

[jerseyboy]

I am so happy to see the Caps knocked out. Living in the DC area it kills me to see all the fair weather fans around here. No one cared about the Caps when they were horrendous, but as soon as they start winning the fans all come out. Lets see how many huge Caps fans there are now.

[Glory's Sun]

The Caps have no one to blame but themselves. They continuously failed to get traffic in front of Halak and Ovechkin was just a speedster but didn't cause much damage. Do I even need to talk about the Power Play? Laughable.

Halak was brilliant. I won't take that away from him, and I'm glad that the Caps got bounced.

[Leto]

take it from me, if you support the team when it is bad, you get ridiculed. So it's almost better to be a fair weather fan. Ask any Red Wings fan when they spent 42 years in the desert with their "Dead Things" or Chicago fans who saw, what more than 50 years go by without a Stanley Cup? And of course the current 43 year drought being experienced by our Leaf nation.


So what is it with Ovechkin and his powerlessness in the big games? I like that Montreal out-worked the flashy Caps, but will definitely miss the dynamics of Ovie and his crew going forward. I think that Montreal can deal with Pittsburgh in a similar fashion. Can you imagine a Montreal / Vancouver cup final????