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The Red Sox have offered Tex an 8 year deal..not sure on the money aspect of it.

The yanks want him now, but I just don't think they will get him. Who knows at this point.

djtestudo

Karl Ravech reported on ESPN today that the Orioles are a major draw to Teixeira and his wife, and that pull is "neutralizing" (his words) the desire to win. Or as I would put it, win NOW

Personally, I think it is really down to the Angels, Red Sox and Orioles. The Yankees are too late, and really don't need him: they probably just want to make it more expensive for the other three AL teams. Washington is worse-off than the Orioles: worse team, worse farm, worse stadium/city situation.

He was sighted in Baltimore several times over the weekend, though that likely doesn't mean much. However, he was probably keeping an ear out and hearing the desire to have him back home...and the probable mass-disownment that will occur if he goes to the Sox, Yankees or Washington

The main thing that excites me is that finally the Orioles are being mentioned as they should have been all along, and not just as a "Baltimore also has made an offer to the Maryland native" afterthought.

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Boras is saying the native thing isn't that important.. but that's Boras.. he says anything.

The yanks want him because Giambi and Abreu are gone, and because Boston wants him.

all Steinbrenner's are the same eh?

I'm interested in where he goes other than the Angels because I really want to see if the Angels would actually pick up Manny. I don't see Manny and Scosia(sp?) getting along too well. If they do.. it could be a Manny's angels against a Manny less Boston. Interesting. I know I know wayyyyyy ahead of myself there.

pan6467

I just do not see Vlad wanting Manny on the team. Vlad from all I have ever read on him is a team player and good leader, Manny on the other hand is .... wellllll....... Manny.

I don't think Vlad is like Papi and would put up with Manny's shit.

I see Manny maybe going to to a surprise team like Atlanta, Detroit or Washington when Tex signs with Baltimore.

I really don't see many teams with playoff hopes shelling out a lot of money for someone that is in his late 30's, has falling stats and is a clubhouse oddity. He's more divisive in the long run than he is helpful.

That said, he'd still look and be a welcome sight in an Indians jersey.

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I know where you're coming from Pan, but I think any team would love to have his instant offense.

Boston is reportedly willing to go up to $200 mil for Tex. Ravich is saying that a deal is near. Perhaps we will find out before Christmas.


EDIT:: looks like the Yankees are interested in offering Manny a deal for 2-3 years at anywhere from 22-25 million per.

fuck me. fuck me proper. I will absolutely die if Manny is seen in pinstripes.

he has some ties to that area so it wouldn't suprise me, add to the fact that he seems to have no loyalties to anyone.. this could very well happen.

Fucking dodgers..why can't they spend some goddamn money? Manny needs to stay out west. or at least not go to the Yanks.

pan6467

Next to CC it would be the worst money the Yankees ever spent. I truly don't think he could take the pressure, especially when he isn't going to be the #1 man.

That said, let Steinbrenner waste the money.

They want to buy a championship so bad they are doing all they can to destroy their team.

Welcome to the top of the East Tampa, Boston and you will have a few good years of crushing that overpriced wankee team.

Wonder what happens when the Yankees sign all these guys, they flop and no one can absorb the contracts?

Good times in NY.

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Manny can more than handle being the #1 guy. He seems to thrive better in pressure situations.

Looks like the O's are out of the mix for Tex unless Tex wants to go to his home town. Just don't see it happening though.

pan6467

That's what I was saying, if he's not the #1 guy he gets attitude. Look at Boston, Papi, Pedroia, and so on started getting more attention and he lost it.

In NY he'll go in not being the #1 guy and I don't think he can handle it. He thrives on attention.

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Dodgers lock up Furcal. Great. Now we need Manny and a couple pitchers and we're set.

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ya I misread your post. Sorry

I think he'll be ok because if he's batting behind Jeter and A-Rod.. he'll be able to put up big numbers.

Let's just hope the Dodgers secure him instead.

djtestudo

Red Sox out of running for Teixeira? -- baltimoresun.com

It's an AP article.

The rational part of me is trying to avoid getting my hopes up, and knows that Boston is likely just calling Boras' bluff.

The rest of me...

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QuasiMondo

I think after Boras gambled and lost on getting more money for A-Rod other teams got hip to his game. Isn't he Manny's agent too?

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Yeah the wire is full of Henry saying the Red Sox aren't a factor for Tex anymore. Makes me wonder if the Yanks have actually put an offer out there or if the O's have extended their offer to 10 years. Maybe the Angels put out a fantastic offer. Who knows.

It could be a bluff call, and yes he's Manny's agent too, but I think Boras is happy to let Manny sit and wait and let Tex determine the market and teams that lose out on Tex (other than Beantown) will be duking it out over Manny.

So they go from the front runners.. and going to a face to face meeting to being out of the running. Sounds fishy, but with Boras involved.. I never know what to think.

QuasiMondo

ESPN.com is reporting that the Angels have withdrawn their 8-year offer to Texeria. For some strange reason they also believe that Boston and New York are in the hunt, even though Boston has also pulled the plug and the Yankees didn't even make an offer to him. The only teams left in the running is Baltimore and Washington.

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Boston hasn't pulled the plug. They are just pulling another matsuzaka tactic on Boras.

Yankees are mulling an offer.. so he'll sign either Boston, Baltimore or NY.

djtestudo

So he's going to get basically the same money to be Boston's Scapegoat, New York's Scapegoat, or Baltimore's Hero.

Tough call...

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The thing is Baltimore and NY *need* Tex. Boston doesn't need him.. they just would like to have him.. so really Boston could end up without him and be ok and focus on what they have and pick up a bat at the trade deadline. I'd rather see him in Baltimore naturally, but don't believe all the crap that Boston is out. They figured out how to handle Boras long ago.

Boras initiated contact with the Yankees which pretty much proves Henry and Theo right, that Boras didn't have the offers he said he had. Even the Skanks are saying they can't just outbid everyone for Tex like they did for C.C. and Burnett, so it could be quite the interesting signing going into the Holidays.

djtestudo

MLBTradeRumors has a link to a Dominican newspaper suggesting that Manny Ramirez is about to sign with the Yankees for three years, $75 million.
De último minuto; Manny Ramírez: Tres años y 75 millones con los Yanquis

Or, run through Google Translate...

Now, I've never seen any of these Dominican papers even close to being accurate (and I saw a bunch back when the Orioles had Miguel Tejada). But, it's something to think about, and would probably bring Teixeira back to Baltimore, Boston and Washington (who already admitted to Buster Olney that they don't expect to sign him).

Especially since Newsday is now reporting that Boston never actually pulled their offer.

I think we're getting close; early on Teixeira was reported to say he wanted things done by Christmas. This is going to be a fun couple of days.

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Yeah Boston never said they pulled their offer, they just said "they wouldn't be a factor." That was a clever wording by Henry to make Boras prove just what was on the table. Nobody could beat Boston's bid.

I've been hearing more about the skanks signing Manny. I really hate that there isn't another team even being mentioned in these talks. I mean the Dodgers never even tried to change the two year $45 million offer they had. They could have at least put an option on the table. It's funny though, as much as I love Manny, I'm starting to hate him. He pulls a Nomar in Boston, then claims he wants a 2 year contract at $20mil/per and now he's wanting more. Like he doesn't have enough money as it is. It's sad that a player who is going to be regarded as one of the top 5 right handed hitters of all time (yeah..he is. argue if you want) is letting money dominate the waning years of his career. He should be looking at where he can go to win another ring or two and make his legacy really stand out.. not who's going to be the biggest sucker in signing him.

As much as people hate Boras, I can't really blame him in any of this. Sure he drives the price of contracts up, but that's his job. His job is to get the most money he can for a player..and of course himself. I can't fault a person for doing their job well.

So yeah it should be a couple of fun days ahead.. Tex is probably torn between playing for a winner and trying to make his childhood team a winner, and of course how much money he's getting

bazkitcase5

yea I agree, Tex will probably want to go with a long term contract on a team that will win games

sadly, with Manny having won the world series twice already, he probably could care less about winning - he's now in it to see how much money and attention people are willing to give him - maybe the skanks will give him a long term contract and he'll turn to shit after 2 years and him and arod will get into a fist fight

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The Nats have reportedly upped the offer for Tex. Looks like it's around $184 million at 8 years and they may go 10 years. They are mulling an opt-out clause similar to the C.C. deal as well.

If Tex signs with the Nats.. damn.. Boras really pulled the wool over the Nats eyes.
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I fucking hate the Yankees.

Tex says earlier today he's deciding between Boston and the Nats..then goes and signs a 8 year deal for $170 mil with the Skanks. Thought Boras was trying to get all the money he could.. fuck me proper. What a load of shit this is.

Now.. where does manny go?? Could the Skanks possibly sign him too?

QuasiMondo

Tex has signed with the Yankees, as reported by ESPN. 8 years, $180M

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It's actually 170 million according to reports I see.

Either way, I think it's safe to say at this point that Teixiera just hates the Red Sox. Wouldn't sign with them out of high school and now this. No big deal.. we actually have good pitching. We can get by without him.. although another big bat to protect Papi would be lovely.

QuasiMondo

You can always bring back Manny

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haha that's not happening. We won't sign Dunn either. We'll just pull someone from our farm system that will.. *actually perform in the playoffs* instead of spending $413 million on 3.. yes.. 3 players.

I just hate this because the yanks were all like "we haven't done anything yet, we're interested in manny blah blah" and Tex says he will decide between the nats and red sox.. then the skanks do this just because they think it will handcuff the red sox from doing anything. Haven't they learned anything in the past 9 years? They can spend all the cash they want..it won't buy a ring.

Good luck skanks. That money you spend on Burnett is a waste. C.C.'s money will be a waste if you actually make the playoffs.. and well.. tex was a good signing.. but yeah it doesn't stop Boston from doing anything.

djtestudo

Don't forget that the Sox did screw him over coming out of high school (I can't remember if that was mentioned already). I can't believe he'd hold a grudge ten-plus years and an owner ago, though.

I think he just found the right combination of money and potential for winning with the Yankees.

I'm honestly just glad that it is over.

Although, the storm in Baltimore is just beginning I think; early indications are that the Orioles never increased their original offer of 7/140. Whether or not that was a team decision, or based on information from Boras about their intentions, I have a feeling people are NOT going to be too happy

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Boston offered him a 1.5 million signing bonus out of high school..but he went to GT instead.

how is that screwed over?

whatever. I'm going to laugh my ass off if all three of these signings end up on the DL. I want to see just how Tex handles a city like NY. Many a player that were better have crumbled to it's media machine.

As far as Baltimore, yes the storm is just beginning. All over the fan wires I'm seeing a huge outrage at O's management for not trying harder. Yes, it's happening in Boston as well. People are pissed because it looked like the Sox just bailed on Tex, even if it was just posture.. it still looked that way, and now the skanks have him. Boston fans have a new puppet to play with.

Something else.. how bad is he going to make A-rod look? I mean.. A-rod is great in reg season but when/if the skanks get into the post season.. Tex is going to make A-rod look like a little leaguer.

djtestudo

The story I've heard (several times, from several sources) is that the Red Sox specifically told other teams that there was no chance that he would sign, which dropped him from a high early-round pick to the ninth round.

Like I said, this was out of high school and under the previous ownership. I also heard in passing from someone that he does have a good relationship with this front office (though maybe not anymore ), so as I said I can't imagine it having much of an effect.

All of that A-Rod stuff is WAY overblown. You can make anyone look bad in the right sample size.

Example: Teixeira hasn't looked that good in the short playoff experiences he has had.

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No, Arod, is a legitimate choker. He hits far below where he should in close and late and postseason games. And when he does hit, it's meaningless, for the most part. Texiera at least looked like a good hitter, at least for average, he didn't hit for power, but he was somethng like 7-15 or something against the Sox, right?

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yes you're right.. I think he had a .416 average in the playoffs against Boston.

Arod has what.. 2 extra base hits in how many at bats

*sigh* Oh to have made amends with Manny. We'd be enjoying another ring

Ilow

Probably not with all of those banged up players, but who knows. the irony will be that Manny may get a deal that is pretty much what his two option years were at this point.

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bazkitcase5

is it just me or is it kind of embarrassing for baseball that the yankees are allowed to just go and buy up all the players

I realize its no guarantee that they will win the World Series, but it is still very disappointing (for non yankee fans) to see this kind of bullshit

pan6467

I agree this is not only disappointing but in the end destroys the smaller market teams.

What happens is the big money teams can keep buying the players the smaller market teams develop into stars and before the small markets have a chance to truly compete (more than just one or two years) and rebuild a fan base they're done.

There are a few small market owners that may open their wallets but even then they have to overpay a free agent to play there.

If MLB does not do something about it, quite a few teams will go under. The same teams will always be in the playoffs and the fans will go elsewhere.

Look at the NFL and NBA, every team has a chance going from year to year and the teams can build off 1 or 2 stars that are there pretty much for their career. Don't get that in the MLB. And it is quite sad.

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I think there's plenty of proof in the Marlins and the Rays that money can't buy playoffs or a championship.

The Yankees have yet to understand this. Let them spend the money on players. They have totally destroyed their farm team. Even die hard fans are concerned about the state of the farm team and they have been for a long, long time. When the yankees lock up these players with long year contracts and huge money, this doesn't destroy baseball. It simply helps kids who are wanting to get to the majors get in because other teams are forced to draft and develop well. Look at Boston, they have arguably one of the best farm systems in the bigs.. Tampa Bay has a great farm system. Boston didn't spend huge amounts of money in the winter meetings and they don't need to because they have done a good job of spending but also developing young players. We have the two best corner infield prospects in the minors as it is, as well as some great pitching prospects.

The skanks can keep doing what they are doing.. because in the end they may win a championship or two but it's not going to matter in the long run. The game has completely changed.

Boston is in talks with Youk about a long term deal but supposedly it's stalled. They want to at least get him a one year contract to avoid arbitration. It would be nice to lock him up for a similar length as Pedroia.

Talk about developing players

pan6467

But the problem is when the team can barely make payroll and they are losing fans and interest because of this bullshit, they can't sign high draft picks and they can't put the money they need into the farm system. Thus, even developing players becomes an issue and the team is forever in a downward spiral. Unless it finds an owner that doesn't care about losing money. There are very few of them.

If you have a payroll of 100 million and 50,000 seats, you have to sell every seat in all 81 home games for an average of 25 dollars (not including tax and so on) just to break even. Then you have to find the millions for the farm team, the GM, trainers, stadium rent, taxes, medical staff, scouts, and so on.

Let's say that's a 25 million dollar hit. Then you are looking at having to sell out EVERY SINGLE GAME for an average of 31 dollar tickets. Then the owners make zilch.

But if your team is spiraling and very few cities have fans that can afford to buy 31 dollar tickets and an extremely very few sell out EVERY game and very few have 50,000 seat stadiums most are in the low 40,000 seats. You're looking at having to raise tickets that much more.

If you rely on broadcast rights (local radio and TV) the less you win the less you can make there. Advertising and corporate sales start to stagnate in these economies so you don't get much revenue there especially if you are a small to mid market team.

Then you figure by the time you do spend money on a future star, by the time he becomes truly productive he's arbitration or free agent eligible and gone to the Yankees, or Bosox or LA so they can keep raiding the developed stars and not have to worry about putting money into their farm systems.

IF you do have a team that gels before they start getting split up because of salary it's for 1 maybe 2 years before their salaries become unaffordable and you have to start over hoping you can retain the fan interest.

MLB is killing itself. If they do not do something fast, it'll soon be the same 6 teams in the playoffs with maybe 1 or 2 surprise teams, that again for that 1 year maybe 2, do well.

They need some form of cap and revenue sharing so that it's not about how a team can outspend but how well the GM can develop and make trades.

If baseball doesn't change something fast, they'll kill themselves.

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djtestudo

This is a popular, yet flawed, view (especially coming from a Yankees, Jr. fan ).

When you get to the playoffs, it is almost a complete crapshoot. A couple pitchers run hit or cold, a batter gets a couple hits at exactly the right time, and the 85-win team wins the World Series while the 105-win team goes home in the first round.

However, the regular season is much less of a crapshoot. 162 games tend to weed out the teams that get hot only for short stretches, while not penalizing teams who go through early or late slumps as much.

The Yankees went to the playoffs six consecutive years in their rebuilt, home-grown phase when they were developing Jeter and Posada and Rivera and Pettite.

2001 is basically the dividing line when they went to the free-agent, big-money mode with Jeter's extension and signing Mussina and Giambi and trading for Rodriguez. How many times did they then go to the playoffs in the seven years from 2001 to 2007?

Seven times.

Ten of 13 years, they won the division.

It's very easy to say, "They haven't won a World Series since 2000, so the money they spent wasn't worth it." However, getting to the playoffs is the most important part of winning the World Series.

That is why being able to spend as much as they can, or honestly even as much as the Red Sox or Angels or Cubs can, is a danger to the competitive balance of the sport.

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MontanaXVI

DO NOT put any stock into this until someone can find something credible. I already looked on ESPN and didn't see anything in the rumor mill section about it....but here goes anyway.


A buddy of mine sent me a text message and said that the Yankees are looking to trade Hideki Matsui to the Mariners for Bedard leaving them open to sign Manny.

Please tell me this isn't true and is nothing more than a rumor spreading like wildfire, but I have not heard anything of it until he just told me.

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Seattle would be stupid to do that deal. And they got rid of Bavasi, so as far as I know they are no longer stupid.

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I don't think that SEA is too happy with Bedard though, I thought they were pretty much shopping him towards the end of the season anyway? Unless I heard wrong at the time...

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The rumors are still flying and Manny is confident that the yanks are going to offer him a 3 year deal. So .. no I wouldn't be surprised at this point.

Looks like the Dodgers are trying to trade Andruw Jones to the Mets.. if they make that trade they may be able to offer Manny a 3 year deal as well.