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QuasiMondo · 07-30-2008, 01:20 PM

WTF is Brian Cashman slipping into the coffee of these other GM's? First Nady for nothing, now they just picked up Pudge Rodriguez from the Tigers for Kyle Farnsworth. Is there some secret deal that the general public is unaware of?

Breaking news: Insider footage of Cashman informing Farnsworth of his decision.

Ilow · 07-30-2008, 07:46 PM

Quasi, that is fucking hilarious. I didn't know where it was going at first.
I am not worried about the Yankees getting pudge. He was good when he was all 'roided up, but not so much now. He can still throw and ht well enough for a backup catcher, but I also have heard that he is a bad pitch receiver and used to call lots of outside fastballs, so he could throw out runners.

Glory's Sun · 07-31-2008, 05:49 AM

eh the pudge deal isn't really that big of a deal.. if anything, Detroit probably got the better player.

And I swear to fucking god. All this Manny shit has me pissed off. Did I seriously hear Jason Bay for Manny? fuck me proper. This is like Roger Clemens all over again. I don't give a shit if he's a baby or not.. trade him and your season (if it isn't already) is down the tubes. How the hell are you going to find someone to step in and keep a lineup like Papi-Manny-Drew? Fuckin A.

The_Jazz · 07-31-2008, 05:57 AM

Junior might be going to the White Sox. Konerko's bat has been really quiet recently, and guess he'd sit once in a while, let Swisher play first and Griffey would be every day in the outfield. Seems a little bizarre to me since I don't see an obvious place for Griffey on the ChiSox, but that team has always done weird things and made them work.

kutulu · 07-31-2008, 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by guccilvr

yeah.. but it's Manny. He'll get paid. despite other opinions he's a top 5 right handed hitter of all time. Most teams would kill to have his production..even if it means putting up with his cell phone. I think he's really just saying he's tired of Boston pulling out the Trade card every year. He knows Boston is a tough town to play in and they are smart (at least they are now) and they have the cash.

Top 5 active RHBs? Yes. Maybe top on the upper end of the top 10 all time.

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Originally Posted by guccilvr

And I swear to fucking god. All this Manny shit has me pissed off. Did I seriously hear Jason Bay for Manny? fuck me proper. This is like Roger Clemens all over again. I don't give a shit if he's a baby or not.. trade him and your season (if it isn't already) is down the tubes. How the hell are you going to find someone to step in and keep a lineup like Papi-Manny-Drew? Fuckin A.

Maybe Bay won't be able to play under pressure as well as Manny, we'll have to see but offensively Bay is 90% of Manny. The runs he'll save on defense would make it an overall improvement.

Glory's Sun · 07-31-2008, 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by kutulu

Top 5 active RHBs? Yes. Maybe top on the upper end of the top 10 all time.

Maybe Bay won't be able to play under pressure as well as Manny, we'll have to see but offensively Bay is 90% of Manny. The runs he'll save on defense would make it an overall improvement.

Manny knows that ballpark.. his defense really isn't as bad as most people think it is. Sure he's not a gold glover, but for an offense that's struggling right now and the pitching giving up that many runs.. I think I'd rather have solace in knowing I have a guy up there than can produce the run at any time. Bay plays in Pittsburgh.. c'mon. There's really (in my mind) no way he's going to step into Manny's place.. with all the fan base and be able to produce in that kind of pressure situation. This is a dumb move. If they want to move him they should just release him at the end of the season and bring someone in then.
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Looks like Dunn to Tampa Bay is dead. Tampa Bay and Toronto are trying to get Jason Bay.

maybe one of them will snag him and Manny will stay put.

The_Jazz · 07-31-2008, 01:07 PM

Whoa. Manny to the Dodgers. And for Bay? Wow, I just don't get that one.

And it's a four game sweep of the Brewers in Milwaukee. That'll make the road record nicer and give us some room to work with. We're 4 up on the Brewers and 3.5 on the Cards.

QuasiMondo · 07-31-2008, 07:38 PM

Well, shit, as long as he didn't go to Philly, I could care less where Manny goes. Of course, I'm still sour that the Mets didn't get Nady back. If what Cashman gave them was all it took to land him, hell, the Mets shoudl've just given the Pirates a bag of cash.

Glory's Sun · 08-01-2008, 05:39 AM

This is the stupidest trade boston could have possibly pulled off. Seriously, you have to pay Manny the rest of his $7 mill, and you give up Hanson and Moss. DUMB DUMB DUMB. They could have just dealt with manny for 2 more months and cut him loose. No need to give up 2 kids that good.

Jason Bay will never be a Manny. He may do ok, but he's under enormous pressure. I think the Pirates came out of this mix as the winners.

And Hardin to the cubs.. just great. Thanks Theo. I used to think you were smart.

Fotzlid · 08-01-2008, 05:51 AM

Boras would never had let Manny stay in Boston anyways. No money in it for him. Now the Dodgers get good-guy Manny for the remainder of the season so they can both cash in with free agency next season.

Glory's Sun · 08-01-2008, 06:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Fotzlid

Boras would never had let Manny stay in Boston anyways. No money in it for him. Now the Dodgers get good-guy Manny for the remainder of the season so they can both cash in with free agency next season.

I know he would have been gone next year.. which is why I'm saying it was stupid to trade him out now. Especially with what they had to give up.

My luck, I'll be watching Manny in pinstripes next year

Fotzlid · 08-01-2008, 07:49 AM

But he may not have. If Manny stayed being good Manny and played the game the way he is capable, the Sox might have picked up the option year. The only way for him to hit free agency next year is to act up and force a trade. Now he can be on best behavior to show the rest of the league he isn't a malcontent and is worth the $20+million/year for 4 years he is looking for.

kutulu · 08-01-2008, 08:05 AM

One of the conditions of him accepting the trade was that the Dodgers would not exercise the option years on his contract.

I think it will be a big mistake for any team to sign him for more than 2 years. Actually, at the money he'll want I would only do 1 year. He's a 36-yr old DH with bad knees. Way too much risk.

pan6467 · 08-01-2008, 10:43 AM

The most surprising trade for me was the Griffey trade to the Chi Sux.

It seems really weird this year, teams are stockpiling OF positions and positions they don't need for that run and giving a lot away for what they don't need.

The Chi Sux needed pitching, not Jr. I just don't know ..... weird season.

kutulu · 08-01-2008, 12:17 PM

So the Sux will move Swisher to 1B and platoon him with Konerko. Griffey is going back to CF. We'll see if his old ass can still play CF. It helps the Sux to sit Konerko.

djtestudo · 08-01-2008, 02:28 PM

They might be better off with Junior at first, though they may not want to move him in the middle of the season and a pennant race. At least Swisher has played there before.

I don't think the drop-off in overall play between Bay and Ramirez is bad for Boston. However, Epstein and Lucchino and Henry must despise him to give up that much: paying the contract PLUS two players.

Colletti should become the first general manager to be fired after winning Executive of the Year for this deal. They gave up nothing they cared about for two free months of Manny Ramirez. If they were worried about LaRoche, they would be playing him over Blake "Almost Sounds Like A Major Appliance" DeWitt.

As a side note, after looking up the White Sox, is there any more underrated player in baseball then Jermaine Dye?

He hasn't had a below-average year (OPS+ wise, at least) since 2003. He's probably going to hit 40 home runs for the second year of the past three. He hits for average, and doesn't strike out all that much for a power-hitter. And though I don't keep up with it I've never heard any issues with his defense.

Outside of a young player on a lesser team (*cough*Nick Markakis*cough*), I can't think of too many more.

QuasiMondo · 08-01-2008, 05:17 PM

Scott Boras is the devil. No doubt about it.

Ilow · 08-01-2008, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by QuasiMondo

Scott Boras is the devil. No doubt about it.

so funny, I was just having this very conversation with two people earlier tonight...

souzafone · 08-02-2008, 06:59 AM

Boras is not the devil, he is Hitler! The way he maneuvered MR like a puppet with the sole intent of creating a new contract that only Boras will benefit from is comparable to Hitler gaining Austria and Czechoslovakia without firing a shot, simply by browbeating. The only injuries to Manny's knees or hamstrings are in his head, after all there's a lot of confusion, what with his ass being in there too and all. I think last night was typical of what we'll see the rest of the year out of these guys. Manny goes 2 for 4, great numbers but no real contribution, while Bay goes 1 for 3, getting a wall ball triple and scoring the winning run with 2 outs in extra innings, on a hit Manny would have a gotten a single out of. He also made a diving defensive play that Manny would not have made this year. Manny hitting .330, 40 HR and 120 RBI's is a higher liability than a guy with good fundamentals, common sense, and less impressive stats.

kutulu · 08-02-2008, 07:29 AM

I think you guys will like Bay. His career OPS+ is 131.

As for Manny, I had not heard about the incident with their secretary. That's fucked up. It was great to see him GIDP in the 9th. The crowd went silent. He also misplayed a single into a triple. He did run his ground balls out though.

The combination of Manny and Jones in LF and CF is wretched defensively. If Torre would just sit Pierre and Jones for the rest of the year and go with Kemp and Ethier in CF and RF they could probably mitigate most of Manny's defensive shortcomings.

Ilow · 08-04-2008, 05:28 AM

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Originally Posted by kutulu

I think you guys will like Bay. His career OPS+ is 131.

As for Manny, I had not heard about the incident with their secretary. That's fucked up. It was great to see him GIDP in the 9th. The crowd went silent. He also misplayed a single into a triple. He did run his ground balls out though.

The combination of Manny and Jones in LF and CF is wretched defensively. If Torre would just sit Pierre and Jones for the rest of the year and go with Kemp and Ethier in CF and RF they could probably mitigate most of Manny's defensive shortcomings.

Bay is a good looking player and I think having good hitters around him will be positive influence on him, not just because he'll get more hittable pitches, bu also because he'll possibly learn to be even more selective at the plate. The BoSox are all about OBP and with at least a good top 6 or 7 hitters, someone should be able to knock him in.
Manny is a pretty terrible fielder away from Fenway (where he's sort of average). You're welcome LA. Derek Lowe should be thankful he's a ground ball pitcher with those guys.
The incident with Jack McCormick (the traveling secretary, a 64-year-old man, and allegedly very nice guy) was totally inexcusable and really soured a lot of people on Manny being Manny.

Halx · 08-04-2008, 05:45 AM

I'm lovin' Manny in LA, guys. Talk shit all you want.

kutulu · 08-04-2008, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Halx

I'm lovin' Manny in LA, guys. Talk shit all you want.

The Bums are still in second place. Manny won't save them. They also have the tougher schedule finishing off the season.

I have plenty of respect about Manny's abilities but damn, I put him on the level of Barry Bonds now. Boston is three back right now, could they be closer if Manny had not quit on the team?

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Originally Posted by Ilow

Bay is a good looking player and I think having good hitters around him will be positive influence on him, not just because he'll get more hittable pitches, bu also because he'll possibly learn to be even more selective at the plate. The BoSox are all about OBP and with at least a good top 6 or 7 hitters, someone should be able to knock him in.

I'm not sure how much more selective he can be. He's on track to draw about 90 walks this season. He's done that two other times in his career. Bay's only problem is that he's spent his entire career to this point playing for the Pirates. It's hard to get any attention when your team hasn't make the playoffs in 15 years. He's not a superstar but few players are.

Nady is on fire. 1.313 OPS since joining the Yanks.

kutulu · 08-06-2008, 08:25 AM

The DBacks got Haren to agree to a contract extension. He will now be under their control for an additional two years plus a team option:

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The contract takes the place of his previous deal, in which he was signed through 2009 with a team option for 2010. Because 2010 wasn't a guaranteed year, his new deal essentially guarantees him an additional $39.25 million.

Haren will receive salaries of $7.5 million and $8.25 million in the first two years of the deal. He'll get $12.75 million per year in 2011 and 2012.

This is an amazing deal.

djtestudo · 08-06-2008, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by kutulu

The DBacks got Haren to agree to a contract extension. He will now be under their control for an additional two years plus a team option:

This is an amazing deal.

They also apparently pulled an agreed-to extension offer for Webb. Interesting.

jorgelito · 08-06-2008, 12:12 PM

It looks like Bay and Manny had good weekends and helped their teams. Should be an interesting end run.

kutulu · 08-06-2008, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by djtestudo

They also apparently pulled an agreed-to extension offer for Webb. Interesting.

The situation with Webb is interesting, to say the least. According to what I've read, they were going to add 3 years and $54M and maybe an option amount. Supposedly the number of years and dollars were agreed to but there were little things that got in the way.

Who knows what it was about but it could be incentives or how the extra money was to be distributed or whatever.

A few months back, Webb's agent started posting on some message boards about the contract situation. That was odd.

mannin52 · 08-10-2008, 07:47 AM

AL
Tampa Bay
Chicago
LA
Boston

LA beats Boston
Tampa Bay beats Chicago

LA beats Tampa Bay to advance to the WS

NL
Phillies
Cubbies
Brewers
Dodgers

Phillies over Brewers
Cubbies over the Dodgers
Cubbies beat Phillies to advance to the WS

Cubbies win the World Series

pan6467 · 08-12-2008, 11:43 AM

Paul Byrd goes to Bosux for a player to be named or cash

Adam Dunn traded for bullshit to Arizona.....

These teams better spend money this free agent year.

kutulu · 08-12-2008, 12:07 PM

I'm excited about the Dunn trade. I've been a fan of him for quite some time. He should help out a bunch down the stretch. I wouldn't call the trade bullshit yet. They got Dallas Buck back and to PTBNLs. We'll have to wait and see who they are.

They have quite a basketball team now:

Rauch - 6-11
Johnson - 6-10
Clark 6-7
Dunn - 6-6
Qualls - 6-5
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Ortiz hit 2 HR in the first inning today. Wow.

djtestudo · 08-12-2008, 05:45 PM

Rumors (from MLBTradeRumors) are that both PTBNL are on the 40-man roster, and at least one was claimed: Micah Owings. The other is supposed to be a position player.

Intriguing.

QuasiMondo · 08-12-2008, 06:36 PM

This just in:

The Detroit Tigers have placed DH Gary Sheffield on waivers.

djtestudo · 08-12-2008, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by QuasiMondo

This just in:

The Detroit Tigers have placed DH Gary Sheffield on waivers.

And in other news, the Detroit Tigers have placed everyone on waivers, along with every player on every 40-man roster in August

I know why it is getting play right now, but this isn't exactly an unusual situation.

kutulu · 08-13-2008, 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by djtestudo

Rumors (from MLBTradeRumors) are that both PTBNL are on the 40-man roster, and at least one was claimed: Micah Owings. The other is supposed to be a position player.

Intriguing.

Yes, Owings is one of them. Wow. I'm not sure what to make of it. He's shown that he can dominate at times. However, he doesn't have a third pitch and he gets hammered a lot. He's basically sucked since May. It is looking like he may need to work as a relief pitcher in order to be successful. He also might have a shoulder injury.

jorgelito · 08-13-2008, 09:47 AM

Man the Red Sox-Ranger game was crazy!! What a slugfest. I thought the 1st inning was incredible. However, the game was still a cause for concern. While I love that our bats lit it up, I am worried about the pitching. Anaheim and Tampa will crush us if we allow that kind of hitting.

djtestudo · 08-13-2008, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by jorgelito

Man the Red Sox-Ranger game was crazy!! What a slugfest. I thought the 1st inning was incredible. However, the game was still a cause for concern. While I love that our bats lit it up, I am worried about the pitching. Anaheim and Tampa will crush us if we allow that kind of hitting.

Everybody has a game like that every so often. Anaheim just got one-hit over eight innings by Chris Waters (if you are asking "who?", that's the point

).

Boston will be fine.

Ilow · 08-14-2008, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by djtestudo

Everybody has a game like that every so often. Anaheim just got one-hit over eight innings by Chris Waters (if you are asking "who?", that's the point

).

Boston will be fine.

Yeah, I agree with this. The amazing thing is that after some of these absurd games, you often get those 2-1 or 1-0 games. I hope that these 3 games vs the Rangers haven't demoralized Texas too much, I think Tampa Bay is going there next...

kutulu · 08-27-2008, 01:51 PM

Scott Boras has sunk to a new low:

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Originally Posted by ESPN

The Pittsburgh Pirates' signing of Pedro Alvarez, the No. 2 pick in the baseball's amateur draft, may be in jeopardy.

The Pirates on Wednesday announced that at the team's request, Major League Baseball has placed Alvarez on the restricted list because Alvarez's agent, Scott Boras, informed the team that Alvarez would not sign the contract and wants it renegotiated.

In a related development, the case has been forwarded to the players' association, which plans to file a grievance against Major League Baseball, claiming that the Alvarez contract was approved in violation of the collective bargaining agreement. The union claims that Alvarez agreed to his contract after the Aug. 15 midnight deadline. It's possible for clubs to receive an extension in negotiations, but only with the players' association approval.

The team, in a prepared statement, said it was informed by Boras that Alvarez, a highly-touted third baseman who played at Vanderbilt, would not report to the team until the team renegotiated his contract and agreed to pay him more than the $6 million signing bonus to which he agreed.

Boras also claimed that the contract was agreed to after the deadline, the team said.

"This claim was not raised on the evening of the 15th when we informed Mr. Boras that Major League Baseball had confirmed that the contract was submitted in a timely fashion," the team said. "Mr. Boras asserted this claim several days later, after all of the draft signings had become publicized."

"Regrettably, we are not surprised that Mr. Boras would attempt to raise a meritless legal claim in an effort to compel us to renegotiate Pedro's contract to one more to his liking," the team said. "We are, however, disappointed that Pedro would allow his agent to pursue this claim on his behalf. "

Boras, reached by ESPN.com, said the matter was a dispute between Major League Baseball and the players' association.

"Pedro Alvarez never received a contract from the Pittsburgh Pirates," Boras told ESPN.com's Jerry Crasnick. "We're awaiting the determination of a grievance filed by the union against the commissioner's office."

The team also said it had been assured by the commissioner's office that it's contract with Alvarez is a valid, and that MLB "will vigorously defend any claim to the contrary."

The Pirates bypassed Boras clients previously because they were unwilling to meet his demands for signing bonuses over the slotting system designed when Pirates president Frank Coonelly was a labor lawyer for MLB.

Once Coonelly accepted the Pirates job, he and general manager Neal Huntington said the team would not be scared off by Boras-represented clients and would draft players based on their ability, not their agent.

The signing of Alvarez has been seen as crucial to the future of the Pirates, who are headed for their 16th consecutive losing season. The team's previous management had been criticized for lackluster scouting and drafting, and the signing of Alvarez offered the new management team a chance to break from that history.

Ilow · 08-27-2008, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by kutulu

Scott Boras has sunk to a new low:

You are unfortunately completely right. This guy is downright awful for baseball. each time you think he reaches rock bottom, he starts digging. It's one thing to leverage, cajole, negotiate, lie, etc as he always done during contract negotiations, but trying to renegotiate because he didn't thoroughly screw a team is asinine. Especially the Pirates. I am surprised that they even drafted a guy represented by him, knowing how tight their budget is and how he is notorious for fucking people...

Glory's Sun · 08-28-2008, 07:15 AM

News Flash.. Bora's Sucks. DUH.

In other news.. looks like we can finally have another skankee free playoffs.

07-30-2008, 01:20 PM	#481 (permalink)
QuasiMondo Wise-ass Latino Location: Pretoria (Tshwane), RSA	WTF is Brian Cashman slipping into the coffee of these other GM's? First Nady for nothing, now they just picked up Pudge Rodriguez from the Tigers for Kyle Farnsworth. Is there some secret deal that the general public is unaware of? Breaking news: Insider footage of Cashman informing Farnsworth of his decision. __________________ Cameron originally envisioned the Terminator as a small, unremarkable man, giving it the ability to blend in more easily. As a result, his first choice for the part was Lance Henriksen. O. J. Simpson was on the shortlist but Cameron did not think that such a nice guy could be a ruthless killer. -From the Collector's Edition DVD of The Terminator Last edited by QuasiMondo; 07-30-2008 at 02:02 PM..

07-30-2008, 07:46 PM	#482 (permalink)
Ilow Junkie Location: Pats country	Quasi, that is fucking hilarious. I didn't know where it was going at first. I am not worried about the Yankees getting pudge. He was good when he was all 'roided up, but not so much now. He can still throw and ht well enough for a backup catcher, but I also have heard that he is a bad pitch receiver and used to call lots of outside fastballs, so he could throw out runners. __________________ "Religion is the one area of our discourse in which it is considered noble to pretend to be certain about things no human being could possibly be certain about" --Sam Harris

07-31-2008, 05:57 AM	#484 (permalink)
The_Jazz Asshole Administrator Location: Chicago	Junior might be going to the White Sox. Konerko's bat has been really quiet recently, and guess he'd sit once in a while, let Swisher play first and Griffey would be every day in the outfield. Seems a little bizarre to me since I don't see an obvious place for Griffey on the ChiSox, but that team has always done weird things and made them work. __________________ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - B. Franklin "There ought to be limits to freedom." - George W. Bush "We have met the enemy and he is us." - Pogo

07-31-2008, 01:07 PM	#487 (permalink)
The_Jazz Asshole Administrator Location: Chicago	Whoa. Manny to the Dodgers. And for Bay? Wow, I just don't get that one. And it's a four game sweep of the Brewers in Milwaukee. That'll make the road record nicer and give us some room to work with. We're 4 up on the Brewers and 3.5 on the Cards. __________________ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - B. Franklin "There ought to be limits to freedom." - George W. Bush "We have met the enemy and he is us." - Pogo

07-31-2008, 07:38 PM	#488 (permalink)
QuasiMondo Wise-ass Latino Location: Pretoria (Tshwane), RSA	Well, shit, as long as he didn't go to Philly, I could care less where Manny goes. Of course, I'm still sour that the Mets didn't get Nady back. If what Cashman gave them was all it took to land him, hell, the Mets shoudl've just given the Pirates a bag of cash. __________________ Cameron originally envisioned the Terminator as a small, unremarkable man, giving it the ability to blend in more easily. As a result, his first choice for the part was Lance Henriksen. O. J. Simpson was on the shortlist but Cameron did not think that such a nice guy could be a ruthless killer. -From the Collector's Edition DVD of The Terminator

07-31-2008, 05:49 AM	#483 (permalink)
Glory's Sun Registered User	eh the pudge deal isn't really that big of a deal.. if anything, Detroit probably got the better player. And I swear to fucking god. All this Manny shit has me pissed off. Did I seriously hear Jason Bay for Manny? fuck me proper. This is like Roger Clemens all over again. I don't give a shit if he's a baby or not.. trade him and your season (if it isn't already) is down the tubes. How the hell are you going to find someone to step in and keep a lineup like Papi-Manny-Drew? Fuckin A.

08-01-2008, 05:39 AM	#489 (permalink)
Glory's Sun Registered User	This is the stupidest trade boston could have possibly pulled off. Seriously, you have to pay Manny the rest of his $7 mill, and you give up Hanson and Moss. DUMB DUMB DUMB. They could have just dealt with manny for 2 more months and cut him loose. No need to give up 2 kids that good. Jason Bay will never be a Manny. He may do ok, but he's under enormous pressure. I think the Pirates came out of this mix as the winners. And Hardin to the cubs.. just great. Thanks Theo. I used to think you were smart.

08-01-2008, 05:51 AM	#490 (permalink)
Fotzlid Junkie Location: Greater Boston area	Boras would never had let Manny stay in Boston anyways. No money in it for him. Now the Dodgers get good-guy Manny for the remainder of the season so they can both cash in with free agency next season.

08-01-2008, 07:49 AM	#492 (permalink)
Fotzlid Junkie Location: Greater Boston area	But he may not have. If Manny stayed being good Manny and played the game the way he is capable, the Sox might have picked up the option year. The only way for him to hit free agency next year is to act up and force a trade. Now he can be on best behavior to show the rest of the league he isn't a malcontent and is worth the $20+million/year for 4 years he is looking for.

08-01-2008, 08:05 AM	#493 (permalink)
kutulu Junkie	One of the conditions of him accepting the trade was that the Dodgers would not exercise the option years on his contract. I think it will be a big mistake for any team to sign him for more than 2 years. Actually, at the money he'll want I would only do 1 year. He's a 36-yr old DH with bad knees. Way too much risk.

08-01-2008, 10:43 AM	#494 (permalink)
pan6467 Lennonite Priest Location: Mansfield, Ohio USA	The most surprising trade for me was the Griffey trade to the Chi Sux. It seems really weird this year, teams are stockpiling OF positions and positions they don't need for that run and giving a lot away for what they don't need. The Chi Sux needed pitching, not Jr. I just don't know ..... weird season. __________________ I just love people who use the excuse "I use/do this because I LOVE the feeling/joy/happiness it brings me" and expect you to be ok with that as you watch them destroy their life blindly following. My response is, "I like to put forks in an eletrical socket, just LOVE that feeling, can't ever get enough of it, so will you let me put this copper fork in that electric socket?"

08-01-2008, 12:17 PM	#495 (permalink)
kutulu Junkie	So the Sux will move Swisher to 1B and platoon him with Konerko. Griffey is going back to CF. We'll see if his old ass can still play CF. It helps the Sux to sit Konerko.

08-01-2008, 02:28 PM	#496 (permalink)
djtestudo Baltimoron Location: Beeeeeautiful Bel Air, MD	They might be better off with Junior at first, though they may not want to move him in the middle of the season and a pennant race. At least Swisher has played there before. I don't think the drop-off in overall play between Bay and Ramirez is bad for Boston. However, Epstein and Lucchino and Henry must despise him to give up that much: paying the contract PLUS two players. Colletti should become the first general manager to be fired after winning Executive of the Year for this deal. They gave up nothing they cared about for two free months of Manny Ramirez. If they were worried about LaRoche, they would be playing him over Blake "Almost Sounds Like A Major Appliance" DeWitt. As a side note, after looking up the White Sox, is there any more underrated player in baseball then Jermaine Dye? He hasn't had a below-average year (OPS+ wise, at least) since 2003. He's probably going to hit 40 home runs for the second year of the past three. He hits for average, and doesn't strike out all that much for a power-hitter. And though I don't keep up with it I've never heard any issues with his defense. Outside of a young player on a lesser team (coughNick Markakiscough), I can't think of too many more. __________________ "Final thought: I just rented Michael Moore's Bowling for Columbine. Frankly, it was the worst sports movie I've ever seen." --Peter Schmuck, The (Baltimore) Sun

08-01-2008, 05:17 PM	#497 (permalink)
QuasiMondo Wise-ass Latino Location: Pretoria (Tshwane), RSA	Scott Boras is the devil. No doubt about it. __________________ Cameron originally envisioned the Terminator as a small, unremarkable man, giving it the ability to blend in more easily. As a result, his first choice for the part was Lance Henriksen. O. J. Simpson was on the shortlist but Cameron did not think that such a nice guy could be a ruthless killer. -From the Collector's Edition DVD of The Terminator

08-02-2008, 06:59 AM	#499 (permalink)
souzafone Insane	Boras is not the devil, he is Hitler! The way he maneuvered MR like a puppet with the sole intent of creating a new contract that only Boras will benefit from is comparable to Hitler gaining Austria and Czechoslovakia without firing a shot, simply by browbeating. The only injuries to Manny's knees or hamstrings are in his head, after all there's a lot of confusion, what with his ass being in there too and all. I think last night was typical of what we'll see the rest of the year out of these guys. Manny goes 2 for 4, great numbers but no real contribution, while Bay goes 1 for 3, getting a wall ball triple and scoring the winning run with 2 outs in extra innings, on a hit Manny would have a gotten a single out of. He also made a diving defensive play that Manny would not have made this year. Manny hitting .330, 40 HR and 120 RBI's is a higher liability than a guy with good fundamentals, common sense, and less impressive stats.

08-02-2008, 07:29 AM	#500 (permalink)
kutulu Junkie	I think you guys will like Bay. His career OPS+ is 131. As for Manny, I had not heard about the incident with their secretary. That's fucked up. It was great to see him GIDP in the 9th. The crowd went silent. He also misplayed a single into a triple. He did run his ground balls out though. The combination of Manny and Jones in LF and CF is wretched defensively. If Torre would just sit Pierre and Jones for the rest of the year and go with Kemp and Ethier in CF and RF they could probably mitigate most of Manny's defensive shortcomings.

08-04-2008, 05:45 AM	#502 (permalink)
Halx Please touch this. Owner/Admin Location: Manhattan	I'm lovin' Manny in LA, guys. Talk shit all you want. __________________ You have found this post informative. -The Administrator [Don't Feed The Animals]

08-06-2008, 12:12 PM	#506 (permalink)
jorgelito All important elusive independent swing voter... Location: People's Republic of KKKalifornia	It looks like Bay and Manny had good weekends and helped their teams. Should be an interesting end run. __________________ "The race is not always to the swift, nor battle to the strong, but to the one that endures to the end." "Demand more from yourself, more than anyone else could ever ask!" - My recruiter

08-10-2008, 07:47 AM	#508 (permalink)
mannin52 Upright Location: USA	MLB Baseball Predictions AL Tampa Bay Chicago LA Boston LA beats Boston Tampa Bay beats Chicago LA beats Tampa Bay to advance to the WS NL Phillies Cubbies Brewers Dodgers Phillies over Brewers Cubbies over the Dodgers Cubbies beat Phillies to advance to the WS Cubbies win the World Series

08-12-2008, 11:43 AM	#509 (permalink)
pan6467 Lennonite Priest Location: Mansfield, Ohio USA	Paul Byrd goes to Bosux for a player to be named or cash Adam Dunn traded for bullshit to Arizona..... These teams better spend money this free agent year. __________________ I just love people who use the excuse "I use/do this because I LOVE the feeling/joy/happiness it brings me" and expect you to be ok with that as you watch them destroy their life blindly following. My response is, "I like to put forks in an eletrical socket, just LOVE that feeling, can't ever get enough of it, so will you let me put this copper fork in that electric socket?"

08-12-2008, 12:07 PM	#510 (permalink)
kutulu Junkie	I'm excited about the Dunn trade. I've been a fan of him for quite some time. He should help out a bunch down the stretch. I wouldn't call the trade bullshit yet. They got Dallas Buck back and to PTBNLs. We'll have to wait and see who they are. They have quite a basketball team now: Rauch - 6-11 Johnson - 6-10 Clark 6-7 Dunn - 6-6 Qualls - 6-5 -----Added 12/8/2008 at 07 : 45 : 56----- Ortiz hit 2 HR in the first inning today. Wow. Last edited by kutulu; 08-12-2008 at 03:45 PM.. Reason: Automerged Doublepost

08-12-2008, 05:45 PM	#511 (permalink)
djtestudo Baltimoron Location: Beeeeeautiful Bel Air, MD	Rumors (from MLBTradeRumors) are that both PTBNL are on the 40-man roster, and at least one was claimed: Micah Owings. The other is supposed to be a position player. Intriguing. __________________ "Final thought: I just rented Michael Moore's Bowling for Columbine. Frankly, it was the worst sports movie I've ever seen." --Peter Schmuck, The (Baltimore) Sun

08-12-2008, 06:36 PM	#512 (permalink)
QuasiMondo Wise-ass Latino Location: Pretoria (Tshwane), RSA	This just in: The Detroit Tigers have placed DH Gary Sheffield on waivers. __________________ Cameron originally envisioned the Terminator as a small, unremarkable man, giving it the ability to blend in more easily. As a result, his first choice for the part was Lance Henriksen. O. J. Simpson was on the shortlist but Cameron did not think that such a nice guy could be a ruthless killer. -From the Collector's Edition DVD of The Terminator

08-13-2008, 09:47 AM	#515 (permalink)
jorgelito All important elusive independent swing voter... Location: People's Republic of KKKalifornia	Man the Red Sox-Ranger game was crazy!! What a slugfest. I thought the 1st inning was incredible. However, the game was still a cause for concern. While I love that our bats lit it up, I am worried about the pitching. Anaheim and Tampa will crush us if we allow that kind of hitting. __________________ "The race is not always to the swift, nor battle to the strong, but to the one that endures to the end." "Demand more from yourself, more than anyone else could ever ask!" - My recruiter

08-28-2008, 07:15 AM	#520 (permalink)
Glory's Sun Registered User	News Flash.. Bora's Sucks. DUH. In other news.. looks like we can finally have another skankee free playoffs.