The Indians Clinched..........

The Jake's Goin Crazy And Soundin Like The 90's All Over Baby..... This Is Our Team This Is Our Year.......... The Future Is Now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh yeah, and did I mention......................


BEST FUCKIN RECORD IN BASEBALL BABY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Fuck you Yankees, Fuck you Mets, Angels, Bosux, D'Backs and Cubs..........

This is the TRIBE'S year........ bring it if you can or stay home and cry with the losers.

Then there's this tidbit:http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/recap;_y...923105&prov=ap

The Indians' seven division titles in 13 seasons since realignment in 1995 trail only the Atlanta Braves (11) and Yankees (10). ... It was the fourth time the Indians have clinched in their 155th game. They also did it in 1948, 1997 and 2001

Now if they could just sell out the Jake. Attendance has been mediocre at best.

Pan, your World Series Record is only slightly better than the Cubs.....

Magic number is 4, baby.

Now I'll be the first to say that I was wrong about the Indians..but.. yeah. Don't get your hopes up. I have to see a WS win before I even begin to believe that they are good enough to win.

The Cubbies are the same way. They'll make the playoff's then look like the chumps they are.

Just like the Cardinals did last year? All that matters is who has the hot pitchers and hot bats once you're in the post-season...

pan: in 9 games heads up the Tribe has a losing record to the Angles, Halos take the season 5-4. No amount of large red type can change that. See you in the post season.

And thats a "staggering" half-game lead you have for best record over both the Halos and the Bosox. Don't count your rings before they're on your finger, Chief Wahoo.

This was me being incoherent.

My point is that I didn't post it in 72 point, all-cap, bright red, underlined and using the term "fucking." Nor did I say to "Fuck" the other division leading teams. Besides, that wasn't the first time the Halos have had the best record, I was stating the fact, not shouting it or rubbing others' noses in it.

Huh? WTF is that supposed to mean? There are no ties in Baseball, the record IS 5 to 4 in 9 games, there is no 4.5 split. I don't see your point there.

If you want to place some credits on the post season, send me a PM.

Ummmm No the tribe has taken 2/3 in April at the Jake...... lost 2/3 in May at LA
then split 2/4 earlier this month in LA..... that means it is an EVEN series.

Against Boston, Cleveland is 2-5, against NY, Cleveland is 0-6. However, 3 of those 4 series were early in the season when the bats were dead and pitching was getting adjusted. Those wins also were pretty much Sowers and Lee. The Boston series in July was the last one of the 4 and Cleveland split with Boston. It was also right around then you see the bats come alive, the pitching gel and the Tribe take off.

So to base anything on early series is impossible.

For the record, this is about the only part of TFP where you can get away with the use of the phrase "fuck you" and making disparaging comments about fellow members. Because let's face it, all you people are wrong unless you're (the universal "you") on my (the speaker, not me particularly) bandwagon.

Carry on.

Indeed, I stand corrected. For some reason I was thinking that series in April was a 2-game split. Not only did I think that, but I even looked back at the schedule and saw a 2 game series. Guess I wasn't paying too close attention.

My bad...

This was me being an asshole.

Since you admitted to being a retard (people actually still use that word?), I'll let you off without a warning. See, it would have been fine if you said "fuck you, Cubs fan", that would have been fine. As it was, though, you just come off as another Mistake by the Lake. You might as well be a Phillies fan acting like that...

This topic is becoming less and less fun as the season progresses... So I'm bowing out of it. And people say the palyers have big egos...

My next post here will be when The Halos take the World Series or go down trying.

See you in 2 weeks.... :D

Unless the Phillies take the wildcard spot from the Padres, the Cubs will lose to the DBacks. Mark it down.

Jesus Christ, who was that asshole? Coaster, I'm sorry. Jazz, I appreciate the leniency. I don't know what the hell is wrong with me lately.

As an Indians fan especially a year when no one expected them to reach these heights it just came out. After your team gets beaten down and is made a joke out of, it truly feels good to give the finger to all those who portray their teams as something better than what they are.

(As for the Yankees.... I just like saying Fuck the Yankees.)

It was not truly directed at any fan in particular or any group of fan.... I apologize if people were offended.


According to the schedule:http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/teams/cl...al&m=04&y=2007

April 10, 2007 Indians beat the Angels 7-6 in CLE : CI up 1

April 11, 2007 Angels beat the Indians 4-1 in CLE : Series Tied

April 12, 2007 Indians beat the Angels 4-2 in CLE : CI up 1

May 8, 2007 Indians Beat the Angels 5-1 in LA : CI up 2

May 9, 2007 Angels beat the Indians 3-2 in LA : CI up 1

May 10, 2007 Angels beat the Indians 8-0 in LA : Series Tied

No games vs each other in June July or August

Sept. 6, 2007 Angels beat the Indians 10-3 in LA: LA up 1

Sept. 7, 2007 Angels beat the Indians 3-2 in LA : LA up 2

Sept. 8, 2007 Indians beat the Angels 6-1 in LA : LA up 1

Sept. 9, 2007 Indians beat the Angels 6-2 in LA : Series for the Regular season ends Tied.

Overall it was a very tight and good series and may prove to be one for the books should they meet in the ALCS.

Well, now that the Pads lost Milton Bradley for the season, looks like the the Phillies will have that wild card spot. May God have mercy on the Mets.

I am in no way shape or form a gameboy Milton (Parker Brothers) Bradley fan but reading about what happened... (and I do believe he was goaded not that it takes much but the umps played mind games with him)... and being a conspiracy theorist, I wonder if the umps had money on the game and the Phillies clinching the wildcard. Or MLB itself who knows the Padres will always be the Padres but the Phillies need a big attendence boost.

I mean what better way to fix it than to take out the Padres only bat. You, as an ump, know the guy has a temper and is easily pushed into hot headedness tantrums......

Just saying, I would hope and pray the sport I love is better than this and it is a pipe dream.... but I don't know anymore... steroids, using livelier balls.... games can be easily fixed by that one close call or a few close pitching calls or getting a hot head to come at an ump and get an automatic suspension.

They lost Cameron for the year also. They could be done.

Well Manny is back.. can I get a Hallelujah!?! AMEN!

I loved watching the DRays fuck over the skanks last night. The Yankees bullpen is starting to let down again.. at the perfect time.

Hopefully, the Bo'Sox can keep Manny, Youk, and Coco healthy and get Okajima and the rest of the bullpen some rest... they're gonna need it.

The Pad's are done. .. and wtf is up with Atlanta.. I thought they were dead for sure.

Realistically, Atlanta is done.

You know, when I got tickets for the Phillies in the early summer, I didn't think the game would matter, I just wanted to go to a game. But that the game tomorrow actually means something is pretty nice.

There must be some kind of sabotage going on here with the Mets. I mean, they have a 5-0 lead going into the 5th inning. But they still manage to lose.

:shakehead:

They're not going to the playoffs. Mark my words.

Something I have noticed the past week and can't remember if or when it has ever happened....

There are no 100 game winners or losers this season. Seems odd, does anyone know when the last time that happened was?

The Cubs are making me crazy. I've got tickets for game 4 assuming they make it to the playoffs and the series goes 4 games.

Give it up for Micah fucking Owings! 6.1 shutout innings, 4-4, 3 doubles, 3 RBI.

Not even his best hitting performance. In Atlanta he went 4-5 with 2 monster HR.

I gave Owings props last night.

I'm really surprised the Padre's are hanging in there.

Of course, the Bo'Sox choked last night but we'll wrap it up soon.

The Mets.. wtf?? They just want to suck balls ..

I've thought about this greatly, and I've come to the realization taht I must apologize to Willie Randolph. I've looked at this all wrong. Since 2003, the Mets have suffered a malaise that I call the Late Season Meltdown. It's something that's as guaranteed as death and taxes. It's happened with Bobby Valentine, it's happened with Art Howe, and now it's happening with Willie.

In 03, after winning an interleague series against the Yankees, the Mets crashed and burned.

In 2004, after sweeping the Yankees in interleague play, they once again crashed and burned.

2005 looked to break that habit....until Carlos Beltran and Mike Cameron crashed in the outfield, taking the Mets down with them.

2006...that's what number crunchers call a statistical anamoly.

And so here we are, in 2007, and the meltdown has arrived, and not a moment too soon. This is why I must apologize to you, Mr. Randolph, because you've put up the good fight, and managed for that one magical seson to delay the inevitable. But as we're learning, lightning does not strike twice. Your've put upt the good fight, and that's all I can ask of you.

Thank you, Mr. Randolph.

Special thanks to AZ's GM Josh Byrnes for giving them Scott Hairston for in injured AAA reliever. Overall, I really like what JB has done for the team as GM but he fucked up with that one. Hairston has made the difference via walkoff HRs, base clearing triples, whatever in at least 4 games for the Padres. If the Padres overtake the Dbacks it is all on Josh Byrnes.

Playing the Rockies, who now have won 11 in a row. We have Webb but the Rockies have pounded Webb all year. Payback starts tonight.

Now if the damn Phillies can just lose a game and the Brewers act like they want to be in the playoffs we can clinch tonight. If not, we need one more win over the weekend.

The Rockies series is going to be the deciding factor for sure. I know I would have lost alot of money if someone would have told me the Rockies would be in it this long and be a factor for who makes the playoffs.

Webb is good, but I just don't know if he can get past such a hot team.

Especially since they have owned him all year. Whatever, we have three shots at it and can afford to lose one game.

Go CUBS Go

:D :D :D :D

I'm burning my Mets jersey right now.

The Mets are the new Red Sox. Heh.

I like the matchups in the AL so far. I think the Bo'Sox can take the series as long as Beckett wins the first matchup. Since the skanks have yet to see Sabathia this year (iirc) that should give the Indians a good start. I can't believe I'm actually going to be cheering for the Indians ..at least for one series ;)

Here we go, Cubs-DBacks. The DBacks finally made it back to the postseason with the best record in the NL. They had a total payroll of about $53M (26th in MLB). It was a great feeling to finally come back. Since 2004 when they lost 111 games it has been hard. The ownership was left in financial ruin and after kicking Colangelo out they continued to make stupid mistakes (signing Glaus and Oritz, trading and extending Shawn Green, etc). Finally, they got a real GM and actually committed to the young players.

Through it all, the team has received little respect. Outside of Brandon Webb about the only thing the national press wants to talk about is the fact that they are a rare team that has won so many games despite getting outscored by its opponents. Despite taking the season series against the Cubs, almost everyone is picking the Cubs. It's the same bs, the Dbacks are too young, can't score runs, and the Cubs pitching is better (which actually isn't true if you adjust for parks).

About the youth of this team, 15 of the players I think will be on the playoff roster started the year with less than 1 year of service time. Only three players (Livan, Tony Clark, Jeff Cirillo) have at least 6 years of service time (the amount required to become a free agent). Three of the players were callups from AA (Bonafacio (backup MI), Reynolds (starting 3B), Upton (platoon RF, provided his HBP on the wrist allows him to play in the series).

My call for the series:

Dbacks win games 1 and 2, close games. Cubs win by at least 5 in game 3. Game 4 is a tossup and if necessary, Webb clinches the series in game 5.

One edit, Arizona fans suck. There is a total of over 20,000 tickets remaining for Games 1 and 2. I know that if there was any way I could afford to go I would.

Edit #2, All of the Division Series games will be broadcast on TBS. None of them will be in HD.

There's off...there's way off..there's off in the next state...then there's my prediction for the Orioles :p

Bedard might be the best pitcher in the American League going into next season. He averaged 6.5 innings (yes, I know there are no half innings, but the math was exact) per start, and finished ninth in ERA in baseball (fourth in the AL) and fourth in strikeouts (third in AL)...despite missing the entire last month of the season.

Jeremy Guthrie (also known as "Associate Christ") came out of absolute nowhere to finish with a 3.70 ERA, averaging 6 1/3 innings a start, again missing the last month.

Bradford and Walker finished with 3.34 and 3.23 ERAs over 78 and 81 appearances, respectively. The rest of the team didn't do so well.

Daniel Cabrera regressed to the tune of league leads in losses (18) and walks (108), and a 5.55 ERA. He may not return next season. Baez finished with a 6.44 ERA and also hurt his arm and is out through next year. Chris Ray was up and down through the first half, then also got hurt through next season.

Markakis still looks like a star-in-waiting, finishing with a .300 average, 23 home runs (leading the team) and an .848 OPS. Roberts batted .291 with 50 stolen bases.

However, Tejada and Hernandez had severe off-seasons, and although Huff had respectable numbers in the second half, he was awful before mid-July.

At least we were 9-9 vs. the Yankees, and get the fourth pick in the draft next summer...

Wow, really? There's gonna be a lotta Cubs fans there. I've been looking into getting tix for game 3 or 4 here in Chicago, and the worst seats in the house are going for ~$250. Lower deck is going for a "buy-it-now" price of $800. I cannot afford these - and there's 20,000 extra in Arizona! Man...

Also, did anyone else watch that Rockies victory over the Pads? Holy crap. What a game. But I gotta say: A) I know Hoff blew it, but it was the wrong call to wait till the 13th to bring him in B) How much of Hoff's ineffectiveness was because he'd essentially been warming up for like 6 innings? C) For about 4 innings, hitters for both teams seemed to more or less give up entirely on the concepts of plate discipline or working the count and tried to end it on one swing. Blech D) I feel bad for Pads fans, in that Holliday did not score as Barrett made the best kick save of the year, NHL included, but I don't really blame the ump for missing that one - dirt was flying, it was bang-bang, and he couldn't have missed the plate by more than a couple of inches. E) Good lord the Phillies must be happy - both the Pads and Rox must be completely spent and exhausted going into the NLDS F) I think the Phills and Rox have like 7 stolen bases, 800 home runs, and 2 bandbox stadiums between them. Pitchers beware.

Got 4 tickets to game 4. Baseball in October. WOOT!

Its CUBtober,baby.


The ump blew it in Denver. Really bad. Too much was at stake for him to be so nonchalant on that call. Bad deal, but neither team executed exceptionally well.

Tickets actually get as low as $15 (at least they were that cheap for season ticket holders). I was offered some great seats for $75 but I'm so freaking broke it isn't funny right now. With the prices you guys are paying it would almost be cheaper to fly here and watch the game. lol.

I'm hoping AZ's baserunners will run like hell against Kendall. He's 5-57 at throwing out base stealers. Ouch. Look for Eric Byrnes to steal 2nd and maybe 3rd each time against him.

Yeah, no kidding with the prices. I know some people who might make the drive...

Also, hopefully Soto will start more often. He's better defensively, has a better arm, and oh yeah, hits about twice as well. Man I hope he starts...

I must say the idea of an Indians vs. Cubs World Series actually intrigues me. Hell, it excites me.

And without being biased.... all the other teams are ho hum.... boring I don't see any other match up even 1/2 as exciting.

Hey Cubbies.... we WILL be there what about you?

Ha.. an Indians Vs Cubbies matchup better than a Bo'Sox v Cubbies matchup? No way...

About the call at the end of the Pad's game.. it was a makeup call for the missed home run.. that's a no brainer.

I'm trying to find some decent Sox tickets.. but I'm so damn picky.. I did find some pavillion seats for $1000, but since I'd like to keep my balls intact.. I won't be buying those.

For the Indians to make the ALCS, they have to get out of game 1 and forget they got swept the last 6 games by the skanks..

For the Bo'Sox they just have to do what they have been doing against the Angels and they'll be fine.. especially considering the health of Vlad and Matthews Jr.

The Cubbies..well.. I'm not so sure they can win.. Sure on paper they look better but it's the fucking Cubs.. let's not forget that.

Rockies over Phillies because of coaching and power arms.

I agree about the Bo'Sox vs. Cubs being the more intriguing, although vs. Indians is definitely second place.

Yankees over Indians in 5. Sorry, Pan. Nothing personal, it's just that the Indians can't seem to get over that particular hump.

Sox over Angels in 4. I'm tempted to say 3 given their health.

Rockies over Phillies because they're on fire right now. There's an outside chance they could run the tables for the whole damn thing.

Look for there to be a significant number of Cubs fans in AZ, especially if the home team's not snapping up the tickets. It's possible it might feel like a neutral site. Because of that Cubs in 4.

Unfortunately, I can't slur in type, but imagine I'm doing so when I say "Cubs win! Cubs win! Cubs win!".

I still miss Harry 10 years later...

I hadn't heard of Soto, impressive. However, he might not be eligible for the postseason roster. Typically a player has to be on the team by August 31, 2007. There is an exception, a player can replace someone on the disabled list but I think the guy he replaces has to play the same position. This is the loophole that allowed Francisco Rodriguez to play for the Angels in 2002. Have you heard that he is eligible?

damn that rockies padres game last night was amazing, thats probably the longest baseball game I've ever watched without falling asleep. I thought it was over when Julio gave up the 2 walks and homerun in the 13th, I remember him from the orioles, he was always a disaster

Predictions for the DS:

Angels over Red Sox in 4 - God I wish we had home field but I got to keep the faith. Lackey vs. Beckett tomorrow will be a dandy. Angels must exorcise demons!!!!! I think the pitching is a wash and fielding is pretty even (slight edge to BOS). I think the Angels actually have a better hitting team than Boston. Higher BA, only 40 or so fewer runs than BOS without the benefit of Fenway.

Indians over Yankees in 5 - CC and Carmona are just too damn tough in a 5 game series, even against the vaunted Yankees lineup

Rockies over Phillies in 5 - The two hottest teams go at it. Colorado has homefield, so I'll use that to decide the series.

Cubs over D'Backs in 4 - Another tough call. Arizona has a very balanced, though somewhat unimpressive lineup. I think that the Cubs starting pitching is a little better with CZam, Lilly, Marshall, etc. compared to the D'Backs Webb, Davis, Owings, etc.

i'm not a regular contributer to the sports forum
(i'm a reds and bengals fan... so i usually keep that to myself)
but i thought some of you baseball fans might like my last contribution to titled art.

it was truly AMAZIN' to watch the NL east finish.
not in a million years would i have pegged glavine to give it up like he did IN THE FIRST!!

http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/showthr...10#post2319110

...and if that was not the greatest one game playoff in history....

i like Sox v. Tribe and Rox v. Snakes.

with a Sox v. Rox WS.

do i think it'll happen?
no. i just like the sound of it.

Well, let's look at the series stats

Boston LA

BA:
.290 .260

R
64 42

SB
7 10

HR
9 7

K
64 67

ERA:
3.99 6.04

Let's add that to the fact that Lackey sucks balls at Fenway.. and Matthew's Jr and Colon aren't even making the trip, it doesn't look good for the Halo's. Stranger things have happened.. but.. it may end up being a 3 game series.

Two things, Philly has homefield, they won the NLE and the Rox won the Wild Card. Great matchup.

The Cubs are going to a three man rotation: Z, Lilly, Hill. I don't know if that is better or worse for them. Being as effective on three days rest is tough. I think the DBacks in 5.

Yeah, I forgot the whole thing about the team that wins the division still gets home field despite a worse record.

Well, the Angels game sucked :grumpy:

Beckett was absolutely lights out. You got to tip your cap to him. Game 2 is a must win now.

wtf was the flashing red neon thing behind home plate in the 9th inning of the Cubs/Dbacks game? A death ray? :D

Classless bullshit is what it was. Whatever, it didn't phase Papa Grande. Great pitching by Webb. Great hitting by Drew and Reynolds. Reynolds has been a great story this season. Called up from AA after Tracy went on the DL because the first and second options in AAA were injured at the time. He had made a name for himself as a guy who could hit but didn't have a position. He ended up playing good enough D at 3B for teh DBacks and hit really well at times.

Beckett. Wow. He has started 6 total postseason games. Three have been shutouts. Amazing.

I think we all know who should be the AL CY winner now...

Beckett was amazing..again. He started what.. 18 consecutive batters with 1 strike?? Dude is insane in the playoffs.. I'm just glad he's on my side this time. The Sox offense is still a little lethargic, but I think it's starting to turn the corner. If it does, watch out.. there will be another parade in Boston :D

I didn't watch the Dbacks Cubs game.. so when I saw Z leave the game and the homerun.. I had a good laugh this morning. I just knew the Cubbies would screw something up. Now, that's to take anything away from Webb or the Dbacks, it's just not surprising. I'm sorry, I can understand what Pinella was thinking, but damn, you have to actually get to game 4 first. If the Cubs had won I guess we'd be saying he was brilliant.. such is the life of a manager.

I'm just glad this thread moved past the sixth page's shouting red annoyance at the top of the page. Beckett was lights out last night, and being able to bring him back on regular rest has got to be scary for Soscia. Knowing Beckett is looming to start later in the series makes these next couple games must win for the Angels, I think. Soscia is already aggressive, but i would expect him to take some extra chances, especially with a banged up lineup. I am huge Beckett fan, but if Sabathia won the Cy Young, I would not feel like he got robbed, that guy was dominant and his stats hold up or surpass Beckett's in several areas. Now it would be completely criminal if Coco Crisp and Youkillis do not win Gold Gloves at CF and 1B.

Tulo and Holliday go back to back in the first inning against the Phillies. Wow. It sucks that the voters are going to overlook Tulo, he deserves ROY over Braun. Earlier last month I had picked Braun first and Loney second, completely overlooking Tulo. After discussing it with some others online, I shifted to Tulo. Braun's defense is so bad that it almost negates any offensive benefit.

Rox now up 6-3 on a Kaz Matsui slam. Damn.

Agree. Heard an interview with this so called fan today on the radio. He's all pizzled because MLB confiscated his light thingy. I think it was a Cubs logo in neon. He said he turned it off when the pitcher was pitching. So what? No place for that behind the plate. Kind of spooky to see that, actually. The dude should have been ejected and not allowed to return tonight. More dollars than sense, I guess he goes to all major Chicago games (regardless of team). BFD.

Go CUBS Go!

Fucking Yankees.

Agreed, though it seems like they're getting fucked...for now. Being a Tribe fan means never being comfortable.

New York WHO????????????

a hahahahahahahahahaha

If I were an Indians fan I sure wouldn't be boasting too much.. at least not yet.

Cubs fans however, go ahead and start the tears. No way are the Cubbies coming back.

Awesome win last night. Check out Lilly's reaction to Chris Young's 3 run bomb:

http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/1383/outputdn0.gif

He must have taken some notes from Zambrano when he strikes out.

:lol:

INDIANS WIN INDIANS WIN


FUCK THE YANKEES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ahahahahahahahahahahaha

INDIANS WIN INDIANS WIN
FUCK THE YANKEES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ahahahahahahahahahahaha

1 Yankee with an RBI Abreau.... the rest overpaid LOSERS.


Where's ARod????
Where's Jeter????
Where's Damon and Posada???????

I have to say that ARod really is earning his reputation for choking in the clutch. But I'm not too proud of the Indians hitting tonight. They left what, 15 on base? Horrifying. Got to get it together if you're going to win it all, boys.

dude, you have got to stop this, no one hates the Yankees more than me, but act like you've been there.

I can't believe just how good our (Cleveland's) pitching is. The $200M Yankee lineup is batting just .120 so far in the series. I mean I knew we had good pitching when I attended the game where we briefly took sole possession of best record, and at the time we had TWO guys over .300 and one of those was like .302. You don't have the best record in baseball with basically one guy over .300 without PHENOMENAL pitching. I'm so much happier than I was in the 90's when we had decent bats but meh pitching, I knew we had little chance of winning it (but damn it we got close, freaking game 7) then but I think if we can get there this time we have a much better chance, experience or not.

Bartman sighting at Chase Field:

The pitching is that damned good, and look who we have given away and who is coming up.

On the other hand, we also are pretty low on hitting and we're probably going to say goodbye to Blake.

It could be the 90's all over in the reverse order (solid pitching instead of hitting).

If that's what it is I see the same 90's results... good season, close post seasons but no WS rings. The Braves are a great example of this, as are the Athletics.

AS for "acting like we've been there". WE HAVE. However, I am not one to be silent or cool in this aspect. I want to rub the naysayers and doubters faces in it. Too many on this board keep saying "the Indians will lose...." and I take great pleasure in watching them proven wrong and I love big red letters showing they are wrong.

When and if the Indians lose one of the series they can do it to me and I will take it for what it is.... sports.

And sports give us an escape, give us hope, entertainment and we need that in this part of Ohio where fine men and women who are working hard are losing good paying jobs faster than anywhere in the country. Where these men and women are trying hard to achieve the American dream on wages that 20 years ago were embarrassing.

So if my getting exuberant and carried away embarrasses and looks childish, fuck it take it for what it is worth.

Yanks still holding on....Do they get out of this series?

I don't think so, I think they had tremendous pitching from Hughes (the Tribe wasn't prepared for) and the "George" factor..... I think it ends tonight with the Tribe finishing it.

On a side note, I was truly saddened by what I saw in Roger Clemens, a man who should have stayed retired and left at the end of last year. What I saw on the mound tonight may have been a man putting all his heart out there, but it was a man who was a shadow and made a mockery of his past greatness. It was kind of like seeing the '86 version of Lefty Steve Carlton trying to eke out one more good game, while just embarrassing and putting to shame great memories of one of the game's greatest ever.

Give it a rest Roger stay buried and be remembered as the great you were not as someone trying to beat out father time and be a hero... all you are doing is destroying your pride, feeding your ego and hurting your team and fans.

he's doing all of the above AND making a shit ton of money at the same time.

and, Mr. Indian-lover, let us not count our post season chickens before they hatch. i'm sure you've seen lesser teams come back from 2-0 holes. umm. wait. that's a 2-1 one hole. the tribe is one loss away from what's essentially a one game playoff.

and it's some what unimportant who wins this series. the red sox are too much for either the indians or the yankees. ;)

this is the first year in my life i've been more interested in the AL than the NL. (always been an NL fan)

any bets on when the rockies will lose a game?
they don't seem to be able to lose right now.
i doubt the snakes can put out that fire.

Fair is fair and like I stated we're farther than anyone expected us to be, it's a young team and with a couple of improvements the Tribe will be a force in the coming years.

I'm not as worried about the Yankees or the Sox as I am the Rox.... they scare me. They are the type of team that comes out of nowhere and wins it all then next season they'll return to mediocrity.

The Yankees, I really don't see them doing much tonight.... AND if it does end in Cleveland.... I hope the Tribe wins...if not feel free to hit me with the BIG RED letters and a few FUCK YOUs .... The Tribe had a great run and have one of the brightest futures in baseball.

PS: I, too, am more of an NL fan.... my favorite team is still and will always be my beloved Cincinnati Reds... but alas they will always suck and I do love my Indians, but in a REDS/Indians WS it's REDS baby, otherwise I pull for both and root for both.

Just like the Bungals.... I root for them, never been much of a Browns fan (I'll root for them, but again, Cincy is my team), in fact never was much of a Pro football fan until about 5-6 years ago. Live and die for the OSU Buckeye footballers though.

The Cavs.... I'm a front runner there, I really don't like basketball much, but hey we have King James soooooo a front runner/ band wagon jumper, I shall be. Because, in the long run, it's good for the local economy and as stated above gives hope and escape to a depressed area.

I don't get this phenomenon. I had a coworker who's a Yankees fan try to talk to smack to me this morning. The Yankees avoided getting swept, and people are now talking like it's a foregone conclusion that they're going to win?

To call the team that was on the field for my Angels "banged up" would have been an understatement. Injuries happen, thats a fact of life, but when nearly half of the regular starting lineup has some sort of health issue, vs. a 100% team, the inevedible happens. The team that got us there simply wasn't on the field... sigh.

Living in Denver, I'll have to jump on the Rockies bandwagon. They are both healthy and hotter than sin. Go Rockies!?!

Sweeping the Cubs was so great. The first pitch HR by Young was insane. What a way to rip their hearts out right away. Drew capped it off by hitting one to the street. A good point that someone informed me of was that although the Cubs and DBacks both had pretty good pitching, AZ faced good pitching all year. All the other NLWest teams had ERAs quite a bit better than league average. The rest of the NL Central teams had ERAs quite below the league average.

NLCS time now. Who would have thought that the Rockies and Dbacks would be matching up at the end of the year? Amazing. I wonder what kind of odds you would have gotten at Vegas for picking the teams. TBS must have shit a thousand bricks when they realized this would be the matchup.

Colorado has lost one time in the last few weeks. To Brandon Webb. AZ can start him 3 times in the series. The only problem with that is that the Rockies have hit him well this year. Perhaps it changes now. Livan started 5 games against the Rockies and had a 1.50 ERA.

Ahh the Red Sox.. they have made me proud so far. Sure, the Angels weren't 100%, but the Angels can't beat the Bo'Sox in the postseason anyway. Vlad sucks in the postseason and the owners of that organization better be looking for power if they ever want to make it back to the WS.

The scenario I see playing out in the yankees indians series is 5 games. Byrd can't pitch against the yankees to save his life. If it does go 5 games, and Sabathia has to pitch in game 5 with the possibilty of brining Carmona in for relief.. Boston will be in the WS.

Also.. good by Roger.. you should have stayed retired.

The D'backs, Rockies matchup is pretty interesting. You have a good young squad in the D'Backs, against the hottest team in baseball. Both have good arms and decent power. I think it will be an exciting series.

Well the Rocks took 2 of 3 from AZ in their last series of the regular season. So that's a plus for them. On the other hand, the one loss that the Rockies have had was at the hands of the D'Backs. Should be a really good series, but I think the Rockies are just too hot to handle.

As for the Angles, Stoneman will make some noise about bringing a power hitter into the lineup. Whatever team they are trying to trade with will ask for the frikkin' moon and the stars to let go of the bat, and Stoneman won't go for it. It happens every off season, and every season right before the trade deadline, and it goes down. Sweeny's name always comes up, but the deal is never sealed.

The only thing that should be drawn from the series that ended the year was that Webb beat them during their streak. They threw up B game lineups where all the guys who wouldn't be on the postseason roster got to play.

Melvin should have been playing to win both games. It would be ironic for them to lose to a team that they might have beaten if they had put up a better lineup against them.

They could have had Miguel Tejada twice: at the deadline last year and during the past offseason. But they wouldn't part with anything worth taking.

For the record...

Rodriguez: 4-15, 1 HR, 2 BB, 6 K, 6 LOB (.267 BA, .353 OBP, .802 OPS)

Jeter: 3-17, 4 K, 8 LOB (.176 BA, .176 OBP, .352 OPS)

Captain Clutch!

FUCK THE YANKEES BRING ON THE SOX..........

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GOODBYE JOE:icare:

CONGRATULATIONS TO THE CLEVELAND INDIANS FOR A GREAT YEAR SO FAR AND HERE'S TO 8 MORE WINS THIS SEASON!!!!!!

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hell yeah, and i agree.

Fuck all the nay-sayers.

As a long time indian fan I so truely get sick and tired of all the bullshit I hear from the money clubs.

This entire MLB post season is all about skill and talent, not money. (Excluding Boston where they have both.)

Boston Vs Indians is going to be a KILLER match up.

Fuck the Yankees indeed, and to all ya'll who still think the Indians are not going anywhere prepare to be shocked like the Yankees were.


Go TRIBE

blah blah blah.

The Indians did a great job making it this far, but the run is over. Boston's lineup and arms are too much for Cleveland to handle.

Fuck the Yankees indeed. Is there anyone out there who still thinks A-Rod isn't a waste of money in the postseason?? He's not worth 28 million.

That's right, Tejada was the other one. I forget who they were asking for, but it was something like one of their starting pitchers, a bullpen guy and a young prospect. Feel free to correct me, as I'm sure SOMEONE will. I remember it looking really one-sided because they know how desperate 'everyone says' the Halos are for a bat.

Oh, and since the bandwagon is rollong right along... Fuck the Yankees!

Dear Yankee fans,

Welcome to the Offseason. Make yourselves at home. The beer's in the fridge, the remote's on the coffee table, and remember to flush the toilet after you use it. Enjoy the rest of the playoffs and remember, you're not alone in this.


Sincerely,
Mets Fans

From our end, the only thing we heard in Baltimore was the Angels offering Ervin "I Get Homesick" Santana and Erik Aybar (who was at least only the second-best shortstop prospect in their system at the time, and might be lower now).

We definitely wanted more then that.

Check the stats I posted above. He didn't play as well as that much money should buy you, but he was nowhere near the awfulness put up by Number Two himself.

Hell, for his career he has an .842 OPS with seven home runs over 10 total series (39 games), so it isn't like he has played terribly (for the record, Jeter has a .846 OPS over 25 series and 123 games).

Oh yeah, I'll blah blah you.... :thumbsup:

Well, if you want to talk hitting, the best hitting team in baseball was the NY Yankees and we see how well they did against the Indians.

I think it'll be a pitching series and I just don't see Boston being able to go as deep. If the Indians get into Boston's pen.... it's done the Tribe wins. If Boston gets into the Tribe's pen, the Tribe is solid there so they'll keep any blowouts from happening.

Prediction: no blowouts, very close low scoring games, Boston takes game 3 in CLE... Cleveland wins 4-1.

Yes, A-Rod is an overpaid waste of money. You get paid that kind of money you best be damned good in the clutch, esp. during post season. If, like in A-Rod's case you aren't.... then you really aren't helping the team win much.

BTW what were his stats with runners in scoring position with 2 outs and the Yanks losing by 3 or less? With 1 out? With no outs?

In other words, what did he do during the season in times of need as a clutch go to player?

And on a happier note, I heard a replay of some lady on a NY radio show saying as Torre was giving what may have been his last speech as a manager, the coaches were doing some serious crying in the office..... That's it baby doesn't get better than this.... THE INDIANS MADE THE YANKEES CRY. :thumbsup: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Even if Boston sweeps.... my baseball year was made hearing that...

THE INDIANS MADE THE YANKEES CRY.

So you're telling me that you honestly think that Cleveland's bullpen is better than Boston's?? Dude.. pass the blunt. Seriously. Boston's team ERA is 3.87 while Cleveland's is 4.07.

Manny is hitting .417 against the Indians, add that to the fact that Ortiz is hitting well and when Ellsbury gets in the game, the bases will be stolen. Pedroia will produce some good AB's.

Sure I don't think there will be any blowouts but after watching how hard Sabathia had to pitch for 5 innings against the skanks, I see Boston getting a couple off of him. Boston is just as patient at the plate if not more so than NY.

In case you didn't know, the GMs for Cleveland, Colorado, and AZ all used to work together in the Cleveland organization. Josh Byrnes also worked as Assistant GM under Epstein. Anyways, here is a cool article that talks about them and the style of running their organizations:

http://ussmariner.com/2007/10/09/the-seeds-of-success/

Meaning, statistically, Cleveland is, on average going to give up 1 extra run every 5 nine inning games. Man, you are right, it is CRAZY to say they are on par.

didn't say they were on par.. said better ;)

better is better no matter how you break it down.

I had a similar reaction to this comment. Assuming that both team's starters go deep into the games (which is reasonable) I would take Boston's late ining tandem of Okajima and Paplebon over Cleveland's any day. Borowski got 45 saves, but his ERA was two or three TIMES Papelbon's, and always appears to be a walk-off hit waiting to happen. Any Cleveland fan who says that this doesn't concern them a little is either lying or crazy, especially when they do not have homefield advantage.

Actually, if we are talking about Cleveland RPs vs. Boston RPs, Cleveland's relievers have a 3.73 ERA and Boston's have a 3.10 ERA. That's over a half a run difference. If you adjust for park and league effects, the difference is greater.

Well there you have it, Boston's ERA is better than Cleveland's. Give them the pennant now! No need to play the games, right?

Now that I'm just a casual observer I'll just go ahead and laugh at the whole "our ERA is better than your ERA" banter. Quote all the numbers you want, they don't decide the future, they are just averages of what happened in the past. Every pitcher with a good ERA has had a crappy outing, and pitcher with a crappy ERA has had a good outing.

Silly Angels fans.. so bitter.

There's nothing wrong with quoting stats. Sure the need to play the games is still there, but the games being played are what creates the stats. When you're team is actually still playing.. you can quote stats in hope that they hold up through the rest of the year.

Dissappointed, yes. Bitter, no. Keep taking jabs at me all you want. Now let's compare WHIP stats, can we? That'll be a hoot!

Yes, definitely. For example: Statistics were really borne out in the Cleveland-NY series. After all, NY had more RBIs than Cleveland in the regular season, and in the series...wait. Shit! Maybe regular season statistics AREN'T particularly meaningful? In fact, maybe statistics when it comes to a game played by 9 guys, any of whom can have an off night, aren't reliable in any way at any time? Yeah...that could be it.

Yeah.. stats don't mean shit. I mean..why would a manager like to have stats? They should just put whoever they feel like in the game no matter what the stats say. :rolleyes:

Look, we all know that stats don't determine the outcome of the game necessarily. But we all know that stats have their place. If I'm a manager and I have a relief pitcher that has blanked a certain guy his whole career and it's late in the game.. those stats come in handy because it plays the percentages. So to say that stats don't mean shit is pure bollocks and we all know it.