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As for Cleveland, I am by no means a Dolan/Shapiro fan, however, they have been saying that as the team progresses the money will be spent. My hope and belief is that they have saved the revenue they didn't spend so that they can go out and get players come trading deadline, so they can go out and resign Hafner AND CC. Above the argument was made "if Cleveland is so hot why don't they have the revenue?" Well, -the Dolans upset a lot of fans who refused to buy (but are coming back now), -They say they are putting the money back into the team by building a strong minor league system, by saving so when they need to they can trade or sign guys they need, etc (it's possible, we'll see come this trade season) -Cleveland has the poorest base of all the other teams (Median income is lowest here) so you can't raise prices too high, and when gas reaches these heights the disposable income depletes and games are a luxury people don't need and can't afford (and every game is televised), and the fact that there is a mass exodus from the city -Free agents don't want to come to Cleveland right now, there's no nightlife, the poverty/crime rate is the highest of any other MLB city, the schools are shit, the city is dying. (The 90's we were having a renaissance and Cleveland had it all, but Cleveland is the first to feel a recession and the last to recover... plus they have had the worst city leadership I have ever seen. So much so, they may have destroyed a once beautiful proud city beyond repair) -the Cavs are in the playoffs and the Browns had a tremendous draft, so the attentiion is not 100% focused on the Tribe (as opposed to the 90's when they dominated it), This means in park advertising revenue, corporate sponsorships (which are all lower than the big market teams get), even season tickets, the all important loge and luxury boxes, etc etc., so that money is drying up and isn't there (and this is what feeds a team more than anything, including fans at the park) -the Tribe own their own tv network (2nd year in), they show EVERY game, what the Dolans are doing is trying to get the interest and passion back and get people to want to go to the Jake (they are also raising their revenue by the ad money they make, but that will take awhile to show up), unfortunately it also is a bouble edged sword in that, why spend $100 (tix, food, parking, etc) when you can watch the game in the privacy of your home or at the corner bar? This is a make or break time for the Indians, either they start winning and the Dolans prove to everyone they will put the money in or the team dies and becomes that which they were in the 70's and 80's just a farm team for others. So there you have it. It's bullshit and laughable to say Cleveland and Boston's suburbs are similar.... or to say Baltimore and Cleveland are similar. Cleveland/Detroit/Pittsburgh those 3 are the most similar in type of people and economics... but even then Cleveland (because of poor leadership and focus) ranks below them. Let's see the Jake holds 48,000..... the average ticket is roughly $20 (and while it may not seem like much, by the time you add food, parking and driving (because there is no true public transportation here) it is unaffordable for a lot of people..... even if you sellout all 81 games you're making $78 Million gross, then you have to pay the lease, the front office, etc etc. So this proves the ad revenue is the most important aspect.... but when your city is dying and companies are cutting back on advertising....... |
Ilow, just one thing: Where are you getting the Red Sox payroll at less than 120 million? The lowest number I've seen is $143 million. Also, I've seen the Yankees payroll around 195 (without Clemens).
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I know ESPN's is different, and I've seen others that are different still. I think it comes down to cash transactions, and at what point you count. the 195 for the yankees is definitely pre-clemens, but i have no idea how anybody adds or doesn't add things like posting fees. i know some people include guaranteed bonus money etc. The point is really that the yankers are spending at minimum 30% more than the next team and pretty much double anybody else, even the other team they share a city with. No one's saying that the small market teams are not at some amount of a disadvantage, but Oakland, Minn, Fla, St. Louis, Detroit, and Cle have certainly proven that small market teams can be competetive. many people's problem with the yankees is their "corporate" philosophy and their insistence at simply trying to buy the best that they can rather than trying to build a team. That's why they now have current or former all-stars at 8 of 9 positions but are still playing like crap. Who wants to root for a 25 players 25 cabs kind of team? The Red Sox spend a significant amount of money to be sure, but they still at least attempt to do it creatively. And Pan, your point is taken that there are certainly different socioeconomic differences between metropolitan areas, like Cleveland and Boston, but don't forget that Boston also has a relative few who make ridiculous amount of money that skews the per capita income, and the cost of living is one of the top three highest in the nation. The vast majority of Sox fans aren't like the ted kennedy and john kerry's of the world. Everyone in the rust belt is feeling a pinch these days. Be glad you don't have a big dig to pour money into. For what we've spent on that so far we should have a 4 lane to China by now. |
So I am a little late, I didnt see this thread previously.
If I could put down my predictions that I had at the beginning of the season... AL East: Baltimore (doesnt look good atm) AL Central: Minnesota AL West:dont really follow but say LA to go with my NL pick Wild Card: Cleveland (since they were the underdog in March) NL East: Atlanta (of course) NL Central: Milwaukee NL West: LA NL Wild Card: Cubs (since they were also the underdog) Realistic Wild Card would have be Philly. |
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I'm a sox fan.. I'm no stranger to the taste of foot in my mouth.. |
Here is an article on overpaid and underpaid players. Guess who has the most overpaid players? Hint: Not the Yankees!
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The Red Sox have 4 players on their active roster that developed in their farm system: Papelbon, Veritek, Pedoria, and Youkilis. The Yankees have 10: Clippard, Pettitte, Proctor, Wang, Rivera, Posada, Cano, Jeter, Cabrerra, and Thompson Quote:
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I should have been more specific when i said that the yankees simply buy talent, I was not referring to the farm systems exactly but really to the yankees ability to procure and maintain talent. When have the red sox ever had all stars at 8 of 9 positions? Look at the top major league salaries,1.Alex Rodriguez, NYY--$27,708,525 2. Jason Giambi, NYY--$23,428,571 3. Derek Jeter, NYY--21,600,000 4. Manny Ramirez, Bos--17,016,381 5. Todd Helton, Col--16,600,000 6. Bartolo Colon, LAA--16,000,000 (tie) Andy Pettitte, NYY--16,000,000 8. Jason Schmidt, LAD--15,703,946 9. Jim Thome, Wsox--15,666,667 10. Bobby Abreu, NYY--15,600,000 (again, from ESPN.com) why are the top 3 yankees, why are half the top 10 yankees? Because they are playing on a different scale than everybody else. No other team in baseball could afford to keep all of those players. Why do you think that every time a-rod's name comes up with regard to coming to Boston, the red sox first have to figure out how to get rid of Manny and his salary? Don't you think that being a New England Patriots fan and watching their success with a salary cap that i would love to see one for baseball? Of course, but until they have one in the MLB, the yankees are on an entirely different tier than everyone else. |
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I just don't understand how Boston fans think they are so different than the Yankees. Take out the posting fee and you are still paying nearly $150M. You outspend everyone but the Yankees and based on the revenues, you have the resources to add payroll. I got my payroll numbers from Cot's. It is a great site that summarizes contracts for every player and every team. |
I'd like to interrupt this Red Sox/Yankees borefest to inform everyone of the Angels and their magic. 37-22 now and a nice lead in the AL West. It's really starting to feel like '02 and '05 again. Pitching dominant, Hitting doing just enough (16 runs tonight ! :eek: ) and defense vastly improved. Yes, we all know the A's will get hot in the second half, but the Angels can hold them off and have in the past.
Gary Matthews, Jr. aka Mr. HGH, has made liars out of most people and is one of the key reasons for the resurgence. Great defense and solid hitting from that guy. BIG surprise. A Red Sox - Angels ALCS would be so sweet. |
I am surprised at the major defensive adjustment the Halos have made. I guess I'll eat a toe or two. ;)
Yes a Red Sox victory over the Angels in the ALCS would be great :D The Red Sox appear to be headed for a patented slump.. I just hope it's not a major one. |
The Angels FINALLY had all 8 of their position players in the lineup last night, and yeah, 16 runs later (4 homers, one was a Grand Salami) let the doubters eat crow. They have all 3 clicking, offence, defence and pitching. Those blowouts by the BoSox early mean nothing, wait until they come to the Big A.
I'll have to admit that I felt pretty bad for relief pitcher Jason Miller, 8 earned runs and recorded only one out. Thats a 216 ERA for that outing, MERCY! |
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Davis vs. Beckett Owings vs. Taverez Johnson vs. Matsuzaka I'm so bummed that Schilling won't be pitching in the series. Oh well, it's better for us that way. I won't be surprised if we lose 2 but I think we have a chance to take 2 from the Red Sox. The DBacks have finally started hitting and the pitching has been on an absolute rampage. |
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the angels are looking really sharp, and don't forget they have the talisman, orlando cabrera, he always makes things happen. The a's always do get hot in the 2nd half, but with their injuries i think the halos will hold them off. Vlad is a pleasure to watch any day too.
gucc, i don't think the sox are going into a patented slump, a tad too early for that, just a tough couple of games. I think they referenced it last night, but their number 5 starter (tavarez) has faced the other team's ace in something like 7 of his 10 starts, no wonder he's last in run support in his starts. Kutulu, I agree that it will be a shame to not have schill pitch in the desert, for some reason I am psyched for that last game, should be a doozie. BTW, does anyone else feel like the schedule is all over the place this year, I feel like interleague used to be more organized into a couple of bunches, not just tossed into west coast swing, and this whole flying to the west coast after a (late) sunday night baseball game is just silly. maybe it's just me. |
I wish I could check out a few Oakland games but I live in an NL city so the best I could get are sportscenter highlights. Their pitching is amazing. Park and league adjusted they have to have the best pitching in baseball.
Another thing, how is it that the Yankees suck so much? Sure, their pitching sucks but they still have a strongly positive run differential. Their RS and RA suggest that they should be a few games ABOVE .500, not 7 below. |
The Yankees suck because A-rod is a madonna boy and it has spread throughout the clubhouse.
Not that I'm complaining... :D |
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Look at this play by Brandon Lyon last night. I can't get the link to work, so just copy it and paste it into your browser. javascript:void(playMedia2({w_id:'576252',w:'2007/open/tp/archive06/060507_sfnari_lyon_def_tp_350.wmv',pid: 'mlb_tp',gid: '2007/06/05/sfnmlb-arimlb-1',vid: '7758',mid: '200706062008652',cid: 'mlb',fid: 'mlb_tp400',v:'2'})) |
I must say I HATE MLBS VIDEO STREAMING SERVER.
Slowest piece of shit on earth. Anyways, That was a most amazing play by that pitcher, wow. That may be the play of the week, hands down. |
How is that a legitimate link, kutulu?
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It was working yesterday if you copied and pasted it. It can be found here, third vid link down
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My bad. It's that MLB shitty shit shit player doesn't like my Firefox. I got it to work in IE. That is an amazing play.
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Some will ask, "Is it too early for a Mets fan to panic?"
My answer: It's never too early for a Mets fan to panic. |
Heh, thats the life of an Indian as well. :)
Its a panic race all the way to the end. |
same as a red sox fan too. i guess we're in a fortunate position if you think about it, do you think that tampa bay, kansas city etc, ever panic?
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I think Kansas City has abandoned all hope. Go Chiefs?
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farm hand, he was a Mariner that was traded for Heath Slocum (if memory serves), but he was definitely a Mariner. I still think the GM of the M's that year deserves a World Series ring. |
1150 ABs in the M's farm system doesn't make him a Mariner. And really, if we are going to send rings to stupid GM's that undervalue their players Joe Garagiola, Jr. is in front of the line for a 2004 Boston ring for his trade of Schilling for Fossum and Lyon.
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Besides, at the time, the Sox gave up a ton of talent to get Schilling. Jorge de la Rosa is making strides to becoming what the Sox and Dbacks thought he'd be. Of course, he's in a Royals' uniform, now. And, I might add, he was a part of the Richie Sexson trade. The Sexson deal nearly killed the franchise; Joe Jr. can take that one on the chin. |
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Kadath, MLB's video player completely works in Firefox. I use it all the time.
That was a great play by Lyon. As a longtime Cubs fan, it was also great to hear Gracie with the call. |
Angels v Baltimore... what a game... Sorry O's fans.
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Just wanted to mention that the Indians are making me happy right now. Won 4 in a row, 7-3 for their last 10. They have the third best record in baseball and the best home record of anyone. I'd still like them to have more solid pitching, but they're in great shape. If they can just keep it up...
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Hmm, Cubs have won 9/10 (10/11 actually) and are over .500. They're still 6 1/2 back of the Brewers, but they're playing Washington and Pittsburgh this week.
Hey, anyone want to watch me get my hopes up just to get kicked in the balls again? At least I can feel good that the White Sox are about to start the fire sale. |
haha, yea, the cubs will find a way to lose to the people their supposed to beat this week (I like the cubs too unfortunately)
altho I must admit, the Lou tirade that led to suspensions seems to have worked after all |
My boy Big Daddy Vladdy tearin' it up in the Home Run Derby. Way to hammer that rock. I know it's all meaningless, but it fun to watch guys crushin' em out. Especially Vlad's 503' smackaroo, woof.
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^ Agreed. With "only" 14 homers at the break, I think the odds are he's really going to start hittin' em out. Kind of like Figgins' run after his dismal .111 start this year.
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I'm not gone, just lurking and holding out hope that the hard luck A's can do something.
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I have to admit, I'm not TOO surprised at The A's struggles. They had a brilliant pitching staff not long ago and traded them all away. Seattle, on the other hand, who lit a fire under their collective asses?
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Damn, this season has been such a roller coaster for me. The DBacks are finally back in first and they just called up Justin Upton. I'm excited but not expecting to stay in first place for a long time.
The team is so damn inconsistent. They have had at least 3 streaks of 7 wins but then they fall off a cliff for the next few. |
Well the Trade Deadline was pretty disappointing and I'm shocked at some of the teams that didn't make a move.. especially Cleveland.
I'm not sure how I feel about the Gange trade just yet, I know it should help in the long run but I guess we'll have to see how he handles a big market. I'm also hoping that the Bo'Sox don't get Jermaine Dye. I just don't see him fitting in with the club that well. Speculation has Santana coming over from the Twins possibly next year.. man that would be awesome. I'm pretty surprised at the D-backs this season. I thought they would have gone and got a big big bat but with the mostly crap that was out there I can't really blame them. |
Yes, Boston is a larger stage than LA but LA is not small market by any means. The Red Sox are some lucky mfers to have Gagne as a setup guy. This effectively reduces a game against them to 7 innings. Definite favorites to win in all now (as if there was much doubt before).
As for position players, the DBacks are still committed to their young bats (although bringing up Upton rather than a AAA OF to fill in signals that they have had it with Carlos Quentin for the year). They recently fired the hitting coach and that prompted them to go 11-6 since the break. They needed starting pitching more than anything. Overall, they have gotten by all year on luck and a great bullpen. Those guys are going to break down if the starters not named Webb and Davis continue to shit all over the place. |
My concern with the Gagne trade is basically a health concern. He's done well this year staying healthy, but after seeing J.D. Drew do pretty much nothing all year, and the issues we've had with Coco Crisp and injuries.. the last thing I want as a fan is another overpayed DL player.
I was really surprised the Sox got rid of Gabbard, he was doing awesome. Now I know you have to give up something to get something and at least we didn't give up the phenom's (Clay Buchholz, Jacoby Ellsbury, and Justin Masterson) but I would have loved to see Gabbard stay in the mix even at Pawtucket in order for a 2008 rotation somewhere along the lines of Beckett, Matsusaka, Lester, Gabbard and Santana.. of course that means getting rid of Curt and Wakefield but they are getting old.. you can't rely on old arms but for so long. Then the other issue is who in the world wants to buy Willy Mo?? Send him to the Red's? For what? There's nothing much there and the chi'sox aren't going to go one for one with Willy Mo and Dye. There's so much more that could change this year even on waivers, so it's going to continue to be an interesting year. |
I wouldn't worry about his health. He's only a 2 month rental. Boston is on the hook for 2.1M of his performance bonuses (they were guaranteed as a condition of waiving the NTC) and about 2M in salary. Therefore, they will pay about $4M for 2 months. That is a lot, especially considering he'll get less than 30 innings but Boston can afford it.
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Yeah them, a pitching staff isn't just about ERA. Its about too many things to list, and the A's had pitchers that did it, now they dont. Answer me this, is their pitching staff better now or was it better in 2006? Quote all the ERA stats you want, it's the W-L record that counts.
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The biggest fallacy in all of sports: the idea that it is the W-L record that should be celebrated over the ERA. The pitcher has control over 3 the three true outcomes (TTO): K's, BB, and HR. Everything else is left up to the defense. Sure, they can throw pitches that induce groundballs or weak popupts but they can only control so much of that. Here is a nice article from Stark: Quote:
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OK, so there are pitchers with good ERA's and poor W-L records. So what? I think that proves my point better than anything. Thanks for that. I'm sure there is an article out there somewhere that points to pitchers with high ERA's and good W-L records. All this shows me is that the only stat worth any salt is the run support behind them.
Bottom line is, it was supposed to be a tight race in the AL West between the A's and Angels, it's not. The A's are currently 12 games back, and in no shape to make a playoff run. They won the AL West last season... with pitchers that they traded away. Ummmm... yeah.... |
First of all, the A's didn't trade any pitching away last season. They lost Zito to free agency and that was NOT a loss. Despite losing Harden, they have one of the best pitching staffs in MLB.
In case you are unaware, it takes more than pitching to win games. The A's suck because they can't score runs. Period. It has absolutely nothing to do with the pitching staff and to say that their pitching staff isn't as good as it was the year before shows that you don't understand the game that well. |
Reading back in this topic, its obvious "you know more" about baseball than any other TFP'er... so I'll let it go. Good luck to your D'backs.
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The American League Central is playing like trash right now. The Tigers are 2-8 in their last ten and the Indians have only been able to achieve a half game lead. Depressing!
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Oakland has the third-best ERA in all of baseball this season (3.86), including the best starters' ERA (3.77). Their top three starter the last three years look like this: 2005: Barry Zito (3.86), Joe Blanton (3.53), Dan Haren (3.73). 2006: Barry Zito (3.83), Joe Blanton (4.84), Dan Haren (4.12). 2007: Joe Blanton (3.71), Dan Haren (2.46), Chris Gaudin (4.18). It seems to me that this season is the best of the three. However, they are only on-pace to score 700 runs, which is 71 less then last season, 72 behind 2005, and 93 behind the pace of 2004, when they had the Big Three. So, do you REALLY think they just don't have "it"? |
Numbers, numbers, numbers! OK, how about this... As a fan of an AL West team, I was surprised to see the moves made by the A's on their pitching staff. Apparently these moves were made in a effort to improve it in one way or another. It would appear to a casual onlooker that these moves did not work, as the A's are now below .500 and doing their best to stay out of the AL West basement. However, if they were only looking to improve their top 3 pitcher's ERA's, and looking for quality starts, then they succeeded on that and have been failed by their offence.
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Here are the top starters for this season and last season on offense: 2007 Code:
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Pos Player Ag G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO BA OBP SLG SB CS GDP HBP SH SF IBB OPS+ Like I said, better pitching vs. worse offense. Which is more at fault? |
Did I or did I not say that they were failed by their offence? Yes I did. Did you bother to read my whole post?
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You are still insinuating that the pitching is the problem, although now it is because they were only trying to improve the pitching as opposed to suggesting the pitching itself is faulty. |
I insinuate that because it is my opinion that the moves were wrong to begin with. Actual performance is outdoing years past, which surprises me. Did the A's make the right moves, yes, you have proved that long ago.
Look at it from my "uninformed viewpoint." I saw what I thought was a mistake. The A's then go in the tank. Thats all. |
Webb's scoreless inning streak ended last night in the first inning. He went 42 1/3 innings without allowing a run. Not too bad.
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I liked the Rangers beating the Orioles 30-3, that was pretty amusing.
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There is nothing scarier than Billy Wagner
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Closers are held to such ridiculous standards. Have you even bothered to check his stats or do you just know it because you see it? Wagner has held batters to a .578 OPS, has a WHIP just over 1, a 2.05 ERA, and has converted 90% of his save chances. That is AWESOME.
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Big surprise, the DBacks are in the middle of another slump. Goddammit they really piss me off. There is no consistency on the team whatsoever. At least there are still about 25 games left. The down times usually last about 10 games when they can't hit, can't pitch, and can't field. Then they go and take 9 of 12 when they can't do anything wrong. Fucking young players.
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Two new PED users outed:
Rick Ankiel, HGH Troy Glaus, steroids In Ankiel's case, HGH was not banned by MLB at the time so he may be alright. Glaus isn't so lucky, his stuff was sent to him after steroids were banned. This will be interesting. |
Interesting article about steroids, HGH, and double standards:
Jayson Stark - Exposing Our Double Standards click to show If cheating is cheating, why are we quick to give Ankiel a pass? Anybody watching Atl/Was? Halfway through the 7th inning and Smoltz is pitching a no-hitter. I'd love to see him finish this one out. |
I think I've been pretty consistent in my views about PEDs. If they were using before MLB banned the substance I don't really give a crap. If they continued use or started up after the ban then nail them.
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Another...Gibbons received banned drugs.
If you have seen Jay Gibbons' health issues and physical changes over his career, then this surprises you about as much as finding out that Barry Bonds actually IS a jerk. |
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1. When a closer comes in, the game has essentially already been won (OK it hasn't but that's the way a typical fan sees it) All a closer has to do is get 3 outs. 2. A closer ALWAYS knows when he will be coming in, there is no guesswork as far as warming up goes. Therefore he should be well warmed up and ready to go. 3. A closer usually has the best "stuff" of the entire pitching staff. If not the "best" they usually have an above average fastball and an equally good "other" pitch to make outs with. That all adds up to "we should win" whenever the closer comes in. Obviously getting 3 outs in the Majors is much easier said than done. But looking at the closer's role vs. all that they have going for them, it's obvious why fans are upset whenever a closer blows a save. I can really understand it as of late with K-Rod blowing #6 of the year the other night. |
So the season is over, anyone care to give out early picks for postseason awards?
NL MVP 1. Prince Fielder 2. David Wright 3. Eric Byrnes AL MVP 1. ARod 2. no point in listing anyone else NL CYA 1. Peavy 2. Webb AL CYA 1. CC Sabathia 2. Beckett NL ROY (lots of great rookies in the NL this year) 1. Ryan Braun 2. James Loney AL ROY (not many good candidates) 1. Dustin Pedoria 2. Brian Bannister I don't know the AL managers well enough to pick a MOY for them but Bob Melvin seems like a clear winner in the NL. |
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If he goes out and gives up a 3 run homer and blows the save and loses the game, he has to have that mindset that allows him to totally blow that night off so he can come in the next night and get the save and win. The #1 killer of all closers isn't his arm, shoulder or age, it's that mental toughness, that being able to be a goat one night and a hero the next. That is why it's truly hard to find those great closers that will save 40+ games year in and year out. (SP have 4-5 days at least to overcome getting shelled, regular RP take solace that there are others in the pen that can come and save them and be called upon the next day. Position players, they know they'll have 0 for games and they'll commit a couple errors. Very rarely though do they commit them and cost the game in the final inning and the fans, don't truly hound the position players.) Now the career pinch hitter was always what I considered the hardest position. Closers at least get to warmup in the pen. Back in the day, Rusty Staub used to have to come out cold, no warm up at bats, with the game on the line and be expected to move the runner. And he was one of the best at it. Yet, as a position player.... he pretty much sucked and his BA wasn't all that great. (The DH, he gets a few times up.... he's "warm".) |
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I only hope Pedoria doesn't win the AL Rookie .. that thing is just like the Heisman.. it's cursed. AL MOY .. well that would be Francona :D |
Wang very well could but if it isn't Sabathia it should be Beckett. Even Escobar is a better choice than Wang. Santana would be a great choice but if think (in a figurative sense of course) like the voters do, Santana has too many losses.
I just think there is nothing spectacular about Wang. He doesn't strike batters out, his ERA is really high for a CYA winner (14th in the AL), he doesn't do a great job at keeping runners off base, and he probably won't get 200 innings (IMO something that is almost a requirement to me). No bias there about Francona, right? :thumbsup: |
Come on, you know Panella deserves manager of the year EVERY YEAR!! The guy is PURE entertainment!
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The Mets have obviously forgotten how to play the game of baseball.
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Cy Young I can see Sabathia and Carmona going 1 and 3 in voting. It won't be Francona.... he was expected to win. If anything the Bosox and he haven't lived up to what they should have done. If he wins, it is solely because he is from Boston and not how he ran the team. MOY I see Wedge, anyone thinking the Indians would have the second best record in the Majors early on, was either smoking something back then or is lying now. Wedge and Shapiro both built this team and have gotten the best out of each player. I see Shapiro getting executive/GM of the year. Of course it all depends on how far the Tribe goes, but come on, Carmona and CC have had great fucking years and there isn't a better 1-2 combo in baseball. Hell, you add Westbrook and Byrd from the All star break you have one of the best and deepest pitching staffs since the mid '90's Braves. Then of course the Indians do better than the Braves because of the offense (90's ATL had no fucking offense to save their ass.... that's why they only could win 1 WS). The bad thing about all this is IF the Indians go all the way and win the WS... I see Sabathia gone to FA in '09, if not by trading deadline next year. However, if the Indians advance but not that far, I see Sabathia re-signing because he wants a ring and to play for a winning team more than anything. |
Yeah I was joking about Francona..
The Bo'Sox are doing what they always do.. giving us fans heart attacks. After watching Beckett and Wang go head to head, I'm giving the CY to Beckett. Considering the improvement over last year, he's more than deserving. That isn't to say that Sabathia hasn't been brilliant.. but for me it goes to Beckett.. with a little bias ;) Looking back at the thread I was one who never would have thought the Indians would be in the position they are. However, I wonder just what they will do in the playoffs.. part of me says one and done.. the other part of me is a little worried. |
I loved waking up this morning to find out the Indians had come back from being down 5-1. Those Detroit sons of a bitches are going down.
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Now who was it that was trying to comfort me about the Gange trade??
Mother Fucking Eric Gagne can't pitch in the 8th inning to save his goddamn mother's life. Go back to Texas you overrated piece of shit. /end rant. |
Oh my gawd, the Mets finally win a game! With Mike Pelfrey at that! What is this world coming to?
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His mechanics and velocity appear to be ok..
He blames it on the fact he's trying to do too much. All I know is that he fucking sucks since he came to Boston. Of course, the rest of Boston's bullpen hasn't exactly been stellar lately. It's so sickening. It's like the skankees and bo'sox traded places in how their pitching staffs are performing. |
The Cubs have been in first for 32 of the last 34 games. They're one game up now.
Look for me by the visitor's dugout tomorrow afternoon (section 46, row 3). I'll be the guy in blue talking trash to the relief pitchers. I may (or may not) be as drunk as guccilvr. |
Gagne is damaged goods. Tommy John surgery twice? Yeah, good luck being the same pitcher after that. I had a feeling that it was a mistake for anyone to pick him up, especially BoSox at/near the deadline. I guess he did OK in Texas, but with his history of injury... seemed like a big gamble to me.
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I am completely disgusted with the Mets.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I'm no fair-weather fan. I've held out hope for them. I've endured their monthlong June slump. I've driven myself crazy going through the familiar routine of watching a starter put in six good innings, and have it all go down the drain in one inning by their bullpen. I've even become accustomed to watching Heilman or Wagner open the door and usher the other team right back into the game with a home run in the ninth inning. I thought they had their turnaround moment when they got swept by Philadelphia last week and then go on a tear to sweep Atlanta. I even shrugged off a second sweep by the Phillies and the near sweep by Washington. But after watching last night's game where they blew two 3-run leads, I'm done. That game had me so upset that I had a dream where I bumped into Willie Randolph in the city and flipped out on him. Time and time again, sloppy defense, sluggish batting, horrendous relief pitching, or a combination of all three have allowed the Mets to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. I can't watch them anymore this season, I'm throwing in the towel. I haven't given up on the Mets, the Mets have given up on themselves. And I don't want to hear shit from the Red Sox nation. Even if Boston loses the AL East to the Yankees, they're still going to the playoffs with a wild card spot. The Mets have no safety net. I feel better now. |
The magic number is 9....
If anyone's looking for me this afternoon, I'll be in Section 46, Row 3 at Wrigley this afternoon hoping that the Pirates roll over and play dead. If the Mets played the Red Sox now, who would manage to lose? |
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I expect to get kicked in the sack by these fucks in 3, 2, 1.... I was at the Bartman game and that still hurts. I cut way back on the number of games that I've been to this year because of the debacle that was 2006. Is it possible that the 2007 Red Sox are the equivalent of the 2007 Notre Dame football team? Well, that's not really a fair analogy since the Sox DID win some games. Maybe they're more like every other Red Sox team minus the 04 version. |
You'd just better hope Steve Bartelman isn't in the stands :)
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Do you mean Steve Bartman? If you do, then I'd happily sit next to him. Moises Alou not so much since he ruined Bartman's life, but Bartman would be fine as far as I'm concerned. Gonzales cost us Game 6 on the next play when he booted that ball, not Bartman. Bartman was just the distraction from what happened on the field. |
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Holy fucking shit. I can't believe you'd actually compare us to Notre Dame. WTF. I seem to recall a college football team this year that lost to Cal and Florida. Ha. Like every other Red Sox team..pfft. I guess I'll just say the Cubbies are just like every other cubbies team.. they look like champs until it really counts and they'll fucking choke and be one and done. Give me a series between the Cubbies and Bo'Sox.. please..oh pretty please. You'd be eating your feet big boy. :D |
We interrupt this bithcy fan-boy bore-fest to announce that my Angels are currently the proud owners of the best record in baseball, and have the opportunity to be the first team to clinch their division with a win tonight over the Crash&Burners, oops, I mean the Mariners.
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You know how to get under the skin of ANY sports fan ANYWHERE? Compare their team to the current ND offering. I'm in Chicago. As Gucci alluded to, I'm a big UT fan, and we've gotten our ass spanked a couple of times this year. We're still better than ND, and it tickles me pink to say that in this town. I can also say that we're better than Michigan and not have to lie TOOOOO mcuh. By the way, that's 13-8, bitches. For all of you watching at home, I was the guy in the green shirt and sunglasses for all the left-handed batters. Magic number is 8 as of now. I BELIEVE. |
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