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Sho Nuff · 06-19-2006, 05:08 AM

Now I know that Jermain Taylor is supposed to be HBO's new golden boy, but the bias he gets from the commentators is getting to be too much. Jermain unloaded shot after shot straight into Winky's arms and Jim Lampley acts like Winky was taking them on the nose.

Winky chased Jermain all night, broke his body in the corners, unloaded upstairs and targeted Taylor's swollen eye. Wright outmanuerved and effectively controlled the pace of the entire bout. Even the heavy criticism that was heaped on him for skating in round 12 was unwarranted. He still controlled the pace and landed and threw more shots than Taylor.

I was sold by Lampley at first too, but after watching it a second time Winky has every right to feel cheated.

Ample · 06-19-2006, 07:44 AM

AWESOME fight this weekend.

I do have to agree with the bias Jim and Larry showed towards Taylor. I think I have to agree with the judges decision though, to close to call. I can see how anyone could justify either boxer winning. Personally I like the hard hits, and that is what Taylor delivered. Winky really didnt seem to hurt Taylor, and dont forget his eye being swollen shut was cause my a head bunt.

Really what was Winky thinking in the final round? Remember Taylor said after the bout that he could see nothing out of his left eye. All Winky did was dance around for the final three minutes, whats up with that? He could have made his case stronger if he did something.

Sho Nuff, great to see another boxing fan on the forum. I wondered if I was the lone boxing fan here.

bond007 · 06-19-2006, 09:14 AM

this is another prime example of why boxing should have open scoring. after each and every round, they should publish the judges' scorecards.

bottom line: it was a good, close fight... but Winky deserved to win.

Sho Nuff · 06-19-2006, 02:24 PM

I agree about the open scoring. I am completely convinced that draw was a fix. No one could justify a decision for Taylor. For me it was Wright or a draw. Winky controlled the fight, but from a wholelistic standpoint I dont think he did enough to dethrone an undefeated champion. Still, if you evaluate the fight objectively, round by round on clean effective punching and ring generalship the fight would go to Wright. That includes round 12.

PS - I am trying to cut down on my internet time by just going to tfp and quitting all the other forums, including boxing insider. I am glad there are some other fight fans around here.

Nikilidstrom · 06-19-2006, 07:15 PM

Holy Hell!!! I love the icon Sho Nuff. Wasn't sure if anyone else appreciated that movie but me.

As far as boxing in general is concerned, as long as only a handful of promoters control who fights who, incidents like this will continue to be the norm in the sport, instead of an oddity.

docbungle · 06-19-2006, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Sho Nuff

I agree about the open scoring. I am completely convinced that draw was a fix. No one could justify a decision for Taylor. For me it was Wright or a draw. Winky controlled the fight, but from a wholelistic standpoint I dont think he did enough to dethrone an undefeated champion. Still, if you evaluate the fight objectively, round by round on clean effective punching and ring generalship the fight would go to Wright. That includes round 12.

PS - I am trying to cut down on my internet time by just going to tfp and quitting all the other forums, including boxing insider. I am glad there are some other fight fans around here.

Oh, please.

How anyone can yell "fix" after a fight this close is really irritating. Boxing is not like football, where the scoring has exact rules and touchdowns are worth an exact amount. Different judges judge things different ways, and the fact that all three judges were within two rounds of each other's scoring makes a "fix" sound just ridiculous.

I scored every round myself. I was rooting for Taylor, but when the fight was over, I had Winky up by a point. A point is not much. And withl close rounds, you just never know.

Taylor's eye was caused by a butt. Taylor landed much harder punches. Winky may have pushed Taylor back, but Taylor consistently landed harder combinations.

Like I said, I had Winky up by a point. But I see no problems with the outcome. What I have a problem with is Winky's attitude after the fight. I've been a fan of his for a long time and I just lost a bit of respect for him on Saturday. Taylor was humble after the fight, acknowledged he knew it was very close, gave props to Winky and immediately said "rematch." Winky acted as if he'd scored a knockdown or dominated every round. Just not the case. Sorry Wink. Have some class and accept a rematch. You were not robbed. You actually didn't even loose; you almost won. Grow up.

Sho Nuff · 06-20-2006, 10:36 AM

I refuse to buy into the myth that Taylor consistently landed harder shots. If you watch the fight with the sound off and look where those shots were landing without Lampley hyping them up you'll see that most of those hard shots were hitting Winky's guard. We see this over and over again from HBO fighters. Anytime an HBO champion looses a close decision it comes back a draw with one of the judges scoring the final round for the champion when there is no possible reason for it.

I had Winky by 1 round the first time I saw it. With the volume muted and watching punch placement closely, I had Winky by 3.

docbungle · 06-20-2006, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Sho Nuff

I refuse to buy into the myth that Taylor consistently landed harder shots. If you watch the fight with the sound off and look where those shots were landing without Lampley hyping them up you'll see that most of those hard shots were hitting Winky's guard. We see this over and over again from HBO fighters. Anytime an HBO champion looses a close decision it comes back a draw with one of the judges scoring the final round for the champion when there is no possible reason for it.

I had Winky by 1 round the first time I saw it. With the volume muted and watching punch placement closely, I had Winky by 3.

Well, unfortunately, judges don't get to watch the fight three times before they make their decision. They also don't get to "turn the sound off" for a completely objectve viewpoint. Sound is important, especially if you're a ringside judge. It's pretty obvious to them who's landing the harder shots.

It's a fly-by-the-seat of your pants sport, and there are no goals to be scored or baskets to be counted. The judging is as subjective as the judges themselves are, and it will always be this way in fighting sports.

Don't get me wrong; Winky's the fuckin' man. But so is Taylor. The HBO announcers don't make the scorecards. And even if they did, they didn't know which way to call it at the end. Not to mention press row was all over the place with their scoring also.

Lennox was robbed when he fought Holyfield to a draw. This was nothing like that.

Kurant · 06-26-2006, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Sho Nuff

I refuse to buy into the myth that Taylor consistently landed harder shots. If you watch the fight with the sound off and look where those shots were landing without Lampley hyping them up you'll see that most of those hard shots were hitting Winky's guard. We see this over and over again from HBO fighters. Anytime an HBO champion looses a close decision it comes back a draw with one of the judges scoring the final round for the champion when there is no possible reason for it.

I had Winky by 1 round the first time I saw it. With the volume muted and watching punch placement closely, I had Winky by 3.

Actully 2 judges gave Taylor the 12th, in a round Winky took off to go to roadwork or somthing. So, I'd research your scorecards a little. It's completely opposite in this case giving Winky the 12th for no possible reason. Not to mention, your objectiveness is out the door the minute you came here and said "Winky got robbed". With that said, Winky put himself in that situation, the fight was close.

What did bother me, is for the fight to be a draw, a judge had to score the 12th for Winky, which he CLEARLY lost. He did nothing but back up or, box as some people seem to call it.

I didn't think anyone got robbed, I didn't think Winky won with such a poor 12th round, and I didn't think Taylor did enough to beat Winky. The first thing I said after the 12th was "Winky just gave Taylor a draw". Was a great fight, and I woulden't argue Winky winning, or the draw. Although, Taylor winning was a stretch.

Sho Nuff · 06-27-2006, 05:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Kurant

Actully 2 judges gave Taylor the 12th, in a round Winky took off to go to roadwork or somthing. So, I'd research your scorecards a little.

Thats exactly my point! How can you possibly give Taylor the 12th? Even if you say Winky took the round off he still landed cleaner shots than Taylor and was the only fighter to show any aggression at all during the round. Taylor did not press the attack and landed less shots than Winky in the 12th.

Yes, Winky backed off, but the little he did do was still more than what Taylor did in round 12.

I honestly wanted Taylor to win the fight. Taylor is the reason I started watching boxing again after I saw him fight Freddy Cuevas. And he had Emmanuel Stewart in his corner. I wanted him to win, but he just didnt. He got a gift draw.

06-19-2006, 05:08 AM	#1 (permalink)
Sho Nuff Addict Location: Harlem	Winky Got Robbed! Now I know that Jermain Taylor is supposed to be HBO's new golden boy, but the bias he gets from the commentators is getting to be too much. Jermain unloaded shot after shot straight into Winky's arms and Jim Lampley acts like Winky was taking them on the nose. Winky chased Jermain all night, broke his body in the corners, unloaded upstairs and targeted Taylor's swollen eye. Wright outmanuerved and effectively controlled the pace of the entire bout. Even the heavy criticism that was heaped on him for skating in round 12 was unwarranted. He still controlled the pace and landed and threw more shots than Taylor. I was sold by Lampley at first too, but after watching it a second time Winky has every right to feel cheated. __________________ I know Nietzsche doesnt rhyme with peachy, but you sound like a pretentious prick when you correct me.

06-19-2006, 07:44 AM	#2 (permalink)
Ample Psycho Location: In your closet	AWESOME fight this weekend. I do have to agree with the bias Jim and Larry showed towards Taylor. I think I have to agree with the judges decision though, to close to call. I can see how anyone could justify either boxer winning. Personally I like the hard hits, and that is what Taylor delivered. Winky really didnt seem to hurt Taylor, and dont forget his eye being swollen shut was cause my a head bunt. Really what was Winky thinking in the final round? Remember Taylor said after the bout that he could see nothing out of his left eye. All Winky did was dance around for the final three minutes, whats up with that? He could have made his case stronger if he did something. Sho Nuff, great to see another boxing fan on the forum. I wondered if I was the lone boxing fan here. __________________ Her juju beads are so nice She kissed my third cousin twice Im the king of pomona

06-20-2006, 10:36 AM	#7 (permalink)
Sho Nuff Addict Location: Harlem	I refuse to buy into the myth that Taylor consistently landed harder shots. If you watch the fight with the sound off and look where those shots were landing without Lampley hyping them up you'll see that most of those hard shots were hitting Winky's guard. We see this over and over again from HBO fighters. Anytime an HBO champion looses a close decision it comes back a draw with one of the judges scoring the final round for the champion when there is no possible reason for it. I had Winky by 1 round the first time I saw it. With the volume muted and watching punch placement closely, I had Winky by 3. __________________ I know Nietzsche doesnt rhyme with peachy, but you sound like a pretentious prick when you correct me.

06-19-2006, 09:14 AM	#3 (permalink)
bond007 Junkie Location: too far from Texas	this is another prime example of why boxing should have open scoring. after each and every round, they should publish the judges' scorecards. bottom line: it was a good, close fight... but Winky deserved to win.

06-19-2006, 02:24 PM	#4 (permalink)
Sho Nuff Addict Location: Harlem	I agree about the open scoring. I am completely convinced that draw was a fix. No one could justify a decision for Taylor. For me it was Wright or a draw. Winky controlled the fight, but from a wholelistic standpoint I dont think he did enough to dethrone an undefeated champion. Still, if you evaluate the fight objectively, round by round on clean effective punching and ring generalship the fight would go to Wright. That includes round 12. PS - I am trying to cut down on my internet time by just going to tfp and quitting all the other forums, including boxing insider. I am glad there are some other fight fans around here.

06-19-2006, 07:15 PM	#5 (permalink)
Nikilidstrom Stick it in your five hole! Location: Michigan, USA	Holy Hell!!! I love the icon Sho Nuff. Wasn't sure if anyone else appreciated that movie but me. As far as boxing in general is concerned, as long as only a handful of promoters control who fights who, incidents like this will continue to be the norm in the sport, instead of an oddity.