Valentina

...And your sample size is...one?

Hm. I guess I belong to the 0.0001% then.

Easy on the sweeping generalizations, please...at least when there's an (ex)stripper in the hizzouse.

redsfan11

No such luck. And the idea of her taking me to a strip joint is not gonna fly.

Toaster126

No, it's four. They said that every girl they worked with (literally) at the three clubs had been or were addicts at one point. So that's like 40 girls. Also, when I read Jenna Jameson's biography, she mentioned how everyone was addicted to various drugs. I was merely relaying their statements, and stand behind mine.

I apologize for my 99.9999% remark, though. It was supposed to be tongue-in-cheek. It's more like 95%.

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Prince

Nope, never. I wish.

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Valentina

Well, if you read my long and self-indulgent posts in the "does stripping exploit women?" thread, then you know I'm not in denial about the seamier side of the biz.

But still, take my experience: I had two four-month stints during which I was, to put it delicately, a raging cokehead. Each time, I got scared and quit cold-turkey without any intervention or 12-step program or rehab. After the second stint, I never touched it again. (That was well over a decade ago.) I don't think I ever had a serious addiction, or I wouldn't have been able to leave it alone like that. (It was the same with alcohol: I often drank too much while I was dancing, because it was just part of the lifestyle. Now I drink very moderately....Unless, of course, you put a case of '61 Petrus in front of me. Then I would be quite immoderate. )

And I don't think that my two brief, long-ago tangles with the white pony should somehow disqualify me as a potential partner now. (If I'm not mistaken, you advised against ever dating an ex-stripper.) There may be lots of other good reasons not to date me, but that, I think, is not one of them. So there.

Of course, if you'd run into me in the club during one of those four-month stints, my behavior would've supported your contention that virtually all dancers have drug problems (and I think you used the present tense in your first post. Including dancers who have indulged in illicit drugs at one point or another in their lives definitely increases the percentage)....But at any other time during my 13-year involvement in the industry, you would've said, "Wow, a dancer who doesn't do drugs!" (That is, if you even believed me.)

As for the percentage of dancers who "have or have had drug problems," how 'bout we just say it's "considerably higher than that of the general population"?

Oh, and about lapdances for my man: It's weird, but I haven't done it very often. Not that I'd have any objections whatsoever, if it were requested. Maybe it loses some of its mystique for a BF if he knows that you've done it in a professional capacity??

What do you think, guys? Is it hotter to have a woman dance for you if you know that she's doing it "just for you," and would never in a million years do it for any random stranger who dangled a twenty dollar bill in front of her?

Toaster126

Guess we disagree. I would never knowingly go out with a former drug addict.

Deal.

The hot part is the woman wanting to dance for your enjoyment, not the fact that she has done it for money before, at least in my opinion.

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Valentina

Well, I would never call myself a "former drug addict." To me, the term "addict" implies that you cannot stop when you decide that the drug is detrimental to your well-being. I'd say I experimented with cocaine and then quit. But perhaps your definition of drug addict is different. Or maybe you just wouldn't want to date a woman who had any history of drug use. Certainly your prerogative...but what if you liked a woman first and then later found out that she had indulged in some illegal substance during her youth?

(Sorry, i'm totally threadjacking. You can ignore...or respond in PM if you prefer.)


I guess I was just wondering if it would be hotter for guys psychologically to be lapped by a reserved woman who would never be a stripper in real life, or if, by contrast, some guys found the idea of a "professional" giving it to them for free to be a greater turn-on/ego-boost.

HoneyPot

I also have been thinking seriously about giving my lover a lap dance.... I mean maybe for Valentine's Day? Then the question is how exactly do you do it? I mean I know I can shake it and move it.... then what.... ????
I thought about a blind fold first, then maybe moving forward to the lap.... I dont know.

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Toaster126

I'd pretty much agree with that. I don't think a stripper (or anyone, in general) should be shunned for past behavior unless they've proven that they can't be given anymore chances. My impression from the cocaine addicts I know is that it's going to be a lifetime addiction for them, which I want no part of. If the person can stop doing drugs on a permanent basis, then I'm all for it - it's a great way to see their strength, which is attractive to me at least. If I got the impression that they weren't recovered completely, they would be thrown out of my life so fast there would be a sonic boom.

But yeah, to bring this fully to the topic, people should be able and ready to change any opinions they might have about strippers, just like any other stereotypes.

Believe it or not, the internet is full of good examples of lap dances.

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Sultana

Prove it buddy!
Start a thread in the proper forum with linkage.
umm, please.

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Sharon

How do you other girls feel about receiving lap dances? I have to say I find them as much of a turn on as giving them.

Toaster126

Haven't posted in here in a couple months... just wanted to say I went to a strip club for the first time on Wednesday for a bachelor party, and late in the evening, one of the girls came back from break with some cocaine still on her nose. I was like wtf, you have something on your nose, and she was all nonchalant when she figured out what it was and wiped it off.

And to make this more topical, lap dances are still fun and I hope more girls try out doing them for their partners. If nothing else, a lapdance shows some sort of effort in being sexy for your partner, which is hot on it's own.

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