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Knoweffects 12-14-2004 09:17 PM

Incest
 
Has anyone here ever had incest fantasys or been attracted to a family member?

Ive never been attracted to an actual family member but ive always kinda had incest fantasys, of fictional relatives, sisters moms aunts cousins, but never any real relatives *shrug*

Please dont turn this into a clusterfuck of argueing, try to keep this thread posative~ dont have anything nice to say exc

sandinista 12-14-2004 09:21 PM

I've had the fortune (or misfortune? I assume fortune) of being straight, and only having male family members (save my mom, who I am not attracted to). Sorry, can't chime in on this one.

slimshaydee 12-14-2004 09:29 PM

I guess it's alright to have fantasties about stuff like this because of the forbidden factor, but it's when you act on these you're going way too far. For the record, I havent't had one of these fantasies.

shortynickel 12-14-2004 09:55 PM

same here with what slimshaydee said

Knoweffects 12-14-2004 10:04 PM

err please dont missunderstand i don't mean to downplay your opinions but id like to keep this to if or if not anyone has had fantasys haveing to do with incest. understand im just trying to keep from this ending up as a flame war, between people who think incest is wrong and everyone else, not saying this was your intention, i know it wasnt.

derektor 12-14-2004 10:17 PM

in a lot of other cultures, the ideal mate would be your cousins. i myself had had attractions to some of my older cousins when i was in my teens. now that i'm older, i can honestly say if one of my younger cousins are attractive, but would never dream of doing anything sexual with them. suppose for me... it was a phase. i've had a dream about doing it with my mother before while my geography teacher looked upon us and was like... "dude that's your mom." i just shrugged it off.

according to freud though... it's natural. i took a really long cold shower similar to ace ventura after that dream.

Knoweffects 12-14-2004 10:24 PM

lol, gah not freud! well freud was wrong about alot of things, or maby just partialy wrong, he layed the foundation for modern psychotherapy / psychoanalasis but almost all of his theorys have been rejected, but they have helped us lern alot. aanyways, i think its alot more common than people think, to have these kinds of fantasys.

Lockjaw 12-14-2004 10:24 PM

I have several good looking cousins but I haven't ever really thought of them in that manner. However over the Thanksgiving weekend I was visitng my mom's relatives and all my cousins were there including the two female daughters of my uncle who got remarried a couple of times. They aren't my blood cousins as they are his step children but they were smoking hot and I had my inevitable reaction to hot women. I entertained the thought ever so slightly and I wasn't repulsed by the idea. Hmmm I wonder if that's morally wrong.

Suave 12-14-2004 10:59 PM

I think I may have when I was very young, but I tend not to remember much from that age (early elementary type age). I can feel a possibility of it, but aside from that no. And it wouldn't technically be incest as incest is constituted only by relationships in the immediate family (parents and siblings).

MageB420666 12-14-2004 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Lockjaw
I have several good looking cousins but I haven't ever really thought of them in that manner. However over the Thanksgiving weekend I was visitng my mom's relatives and all my cousins were there including the two female daughters of my uncle who got remarried a couple of times. They aren't my blood cousins as they are his step children but they were smoking hot and I had my inevitable reaction to hot women. I entertained the thought ever so slightly and I wasn't repulsed by the idea. Hmmm I wonder if that's morally wrong.


Well according to the law it probably is wrong, but from genetic standpoint it would be ok since they have no real genetic relation to you.

As far as having fantasies about relatives, it's kind of normal. If someone your related to just happens to have physical qualities that you find attractive, then it logically follows that sexual fantasies could develop. The family relation just affects whether or not you would actually form a relationship with the person, not if you think their attractive.

MageB420666 12-14-2004 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Suave
I think I may have when I was very young, but I tend not to remember much from that age (early elementary type age). I can feel a possibility of it, but aside from that no. And it wouldn't technically be incest as incest is constituted only by relationships in the immediate family (parents and siblings).

Well, from a legal standpoint incest also includes aunts, uncles, and first cousins. Basically anyone with a genetic pattern close enough to yours that it would increase the likelihood of birth defects, mental and physical retardations, etc., etc.

Suave 12-14-2004 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by MageB420666
Well, from a legal standpoint incest also includes aunts, uncles, and first cousins. Basically anyone with a genetic pattern close enough to yours that it would increase the likelihood of birth defects, mental and physical retardations, etc., etc.

I call shenanigans on the law then. Unless it's changed in the past 50 years or so, I know that FDR married his cousin, and it was well-known. If it were against the law, I'm sure he'd have been impeached/arrested/whatever. The increase in chance of birth defects, et cetera is minimal outside of one's immediate family. There are other factors that far outweigh those involved with one's extended family.

MageB420666 12-15-2004 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Suave
I call shenanigans on the law then. Unless it's changed in the past 50 years or so, I know that FDR married his cousin, and it was well-known. If it were against the law, I'm sure he'd have been impeached/arrested/whatever. The increase in chance of birth defects, et cetera is minimal outside of one's immediate family. There are other factors that far outweigh those involved with one's extended family.


But was it his first cousin? Was the cousin genetically related to him?
I can understand the incest issue becoming kind of pointless when you move out to a second or third cousin type deal, but aunts, uncles and first cousins(genetically) are close enough in relation to potentially cause problems. That is the aunts and uncles that have a genetic relation to you, not just legal.

StormBerlin 12-15-2004 02:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Suave
The increase in chance of birth defects, et cetera is minimal outside of one's immediate family.

If I remember correctly, chance of birth defect is minimal with immediate family as well. Birth defects are only prominant when there are many generations of inbreeding. And even then, it's stuff like webbed toes.

Baron Opal 12-15-2004 03:19 AM

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Originally Posted by StormBerlin
If I remember correctly, chance of birth defect is minimal with immediate family as well. Birth defects are only prominant when there are many generations of inbreeding. And even then, it's stuff like webbed toes.

And hemophilia. Forget not the giant clusterfuck that was the royal houses of Europe. It sucks inheriting a disorder that probably kills you if your male and will kill you if female. Not to mention missing or deformed organs, twisted limbs, etc.

Bad thing happen when you fuck your sister. Especially if a group of twenty or so keep intermarrying throughout the generations. Yech.

Baron Opal

EDIT: A point: yes it does usually take a couple generations for all of the flawed and recessive traits to concentrate and become expressed. But sometimes all it takes is one.

Amano 12-15-2004 03:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Lockjaw
I have several good looking cousins but I haven't ever really thought of them in that manner. However over the Thanksgiving weekend I was visitng my mom's relatives and all my cousins were there including the two female daughters of my uncle who got remarried a couple of times. They aren't my blood cousins as they are his step children but they were smoking hot and I had my inevitable reaction to hot women. I entertained the thought ever so slightly and I wasn't repulsed by the idea. Hmmm I wonder if that's morally wrong.

Heh, I've been through a very similar situation. Not blood relatives = not incest, and that's as far as I'm going to elaborate!

The Prophet 12-15-2004 03:37 AM

You are not the first - Sophocoles wrote Oedipus the King in 429 b.c.

And European royalty is an excellent example. There is even a theory that asks if they operated at a diminished mental capacity for all the incest.

portereight 12-15-2004 07:33 AM

I guess you would first need to have an attractive relative of the appropriate sex. That said I wonder how many of you just took a moment to run the family tree through the "would I?" filter in you brain. I did but there were no hits.
Now I'm thinking that If they aren't that attractive then where does that leave me?

MasterOfDisaste 12-15-2004 08:10 AM

MycenaeSC2K4: Sigmund Freud once thorized that all male children have, at one point or another, want to have sex with their mothers.
MycenaeSC2K4: Now, one might think "OMG WTF?!"
MycenaeSC2K4: Until they get a look at Freud's mom...
Surfrider132: uhh, yeah
MycenaeSC2K4: Holy fuck, I'd want that!!


bash.org ;)

ShaniFaye 12-15-2004 08:51 AM

long ago, in a galaxy far far away....

18 years ago when I was 18, I had a huge crush on my cousin and I had for years...we were the same age and spent a lot of time together on family trips and stuff..he was the only one in the entire family I could stand to be around for more than 5 minutes......we had gotten stoned and we were way out in the woods on our grandparents property camping out....he was talking about wondering what it felt like to get off from a bj cause none of the girls he'd been with could manage to finish the job.....and me loving to give bj's as much as I did (still do) and being stoned out of my mind did it for him....then we had sex

No....I've never felt bad about it, it happened (and then again a few more times that week and then never again)...it was fun...really didnt think about the "incest" issue....in other countries cousins marry so it didnt seem wrong...now if it had been a sibling...I def wouldnt have done it.

Rinndalir 12-15-2004 09:42 AM

I have a 2nd cousin who is hot as hell, and fuck yeah I would've hit it if I'd ever had the chance to. Of course being from AL its expected... :D

Redgirl 12-15-2004 10:20 AM

When I was pretty young, maybe 10 or so I talked my cousin into showing me his pecker (he was probaly 8ish). I was just curious and he was convenient. It wasn't a sexual thing, but I still feel really guilty about it and wonder if I didn't fuck him up. I get uncomfortable around him sometimes if I suddenly remember it. I've thought for years I should privately talk to him about it just to see if it scarred him or something. But I'm too chicken, cuz what if he doesn't even remember it?

Sorry, was that too OT?

OK, well OT: I had a dream a few years ago that I had sex with my dad. I was totally freaked out and it scarred me for life.

I did have a mega crush on an older cousin for a long time when I was a kid but I never actually fantasized about having sex with him. I just really admired him and thought he was cute.

... and I'm spent!

DaDictionaryBoy 12-15-2004 10:53 AM

I've always had a thing for incest (cousin, sister, brother, no parents) stories. They always get me going...which is ironic because I'm an only-child. That's probably the reason, actually. Easy to fantasize about boffing your sibs when you don't have a real relationship to fuck up. =)

ratbastid 12-15-2004 11:13 AM

The first sexual experience I can remember was playing "doctor" in my grandparents' bathroom with a second cousin. I doubt I was more than five or six.

She was very cute. She's a model now, and maried to a REAL doctor...

Edit: Actually, I guess she's my cousin once-removed. My dad and her mom are cousins....

ShaniFaye 12-15-2004 12:05 PM

2nd cousins are ok according to the law....its also not very common to have one around thats in your age group....it happens but for example in my family I dont have any within a 16 year radius

johnnymysto 12-15-2004 12:27 PM

I have an older cousin and two younger cousins who are hot. One is way too young, but the other two I would have no problem making out with if they were in the mood. I wouldn't go so far as sex probably, but kissing, feeling, etc. - oh yeah!

ICER 12-15-2004 12:50 PM

I can say I've had an incest fantasy or two. But I think it's more of the "The forbidden fruit" turn on then it is actually being sexually attracted to them.

Bill O'Rights 12-15-2004 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by ratbastid
The first sexual experience I can remember was playing "doctor" in my grandparents' bathroom with a second cousin. I doubt I was more than five or six.

She was very cute. She's a model now, and maried to a REAL doctor...

See the effect you had? ;)

Rlyss 12-15-2004 02:22 PM

There's actually some sort of safeguard in place to prevent incest, something about growing up so close to someone, like a sister or a brother, makes you not want to sleep with them. It's hard-coded in our genes that we tend not to see such close family members in a sexual light to diversify our genes.

Something like that anyway. Edit: but obviously there are exceptions.

Lebell 12-15-2004 02:29 PM

My two female cousins are close to me in age and when I was a teen, they were the subject of much masturbatory fantasy.

As to the reality of marrying first cousins, as I recall there have been recent studies that say such marriages pose extremely low (genetic) risk and there is no real reason other than social taboo to not allow them.

Tracybrian 12-15-2004 02:32 PM

A Family friend of my parents was married to his cousin, yes in California. They had 5 children together and the oldest one was born with webbed feet and the third one was deformed. I thought it was from inbreeding but who knows. It was a real eye opener. One of the my first memorys was going to there house for dinner and thinking, they are cousins. Maybe my parents made the hole story up to mess with my head.

Homey_V 12-15-2004 02:59 PM

No, I can safely say I've never had any sort of Incestuous Fantasy.

World's King 12-15-2004 02:59 PM

I guess my family isn't attractive.

K-Wise 12-15-2004 02:59 PM

<font size=7>WOW...</font>

Asta!!

amire 12-15-2004 03:17 PM

I have a gorgeous cousin who is only two years older than I am. I would definitely tap it multiple times if our family weren't so conservative! ARGH! Family get-togethers are always pretty awkward. It's sad...we used to be pretty close to each other, but we drifted apart. I wouldn't mind drifting together again, though...and again, and again, and again, and again..... :)

Sugar&Spice 12-15-2004 06:18 PM

We just went over the incest tabu in Anthropology. We talked about how people usually are not attracted to their brother or sister because familiarity breeds contempt.

Man/Amazing 12-15-2004 06:32 PM

No,any sort of incestuous fantasies, I think it's gross. What's gross to someone probably will turn someone else on.

Suave 12-15-2004 07:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by StormBerlin
If I remember correctly, chance of birth defect is minimal with immediate family as well. Birth defects are only prominant when there are many generations of inbreeding. And even then, it's stuff like webbed toes.

Well I'm going to make up some statistics that I think are close to the ones I've seen: first cousins = ~1% chance of genetic disorder vs siblings = ~5% chance of genetic disorder

And yes, I believe they were first cousins.

doncalypso 12-15-2004 07:09 PM

While I do have some very hot cousins I couldn't see myself ever doing the incest thing.... ever.

Suave 12-15-2004 07:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ShaniFaye
long ago, in a galaxy far far away....

18 years ago when I was 18, I had a huge crush on my cousin and I had for years...we were the same age and spent a lot of time together on family trips and stuff..he was the only one in the entire family I could stand to be around for more than 5 minutes......we had gotten stoned and we were way out in the woods on our grandparents property camping out....he was talking about wondering what it felt like to get off from a bj cause none of the girls he'd been with could manage to finish the job.....and me loving to give bj's as much as I did (still do) and being stoned out of my mind did it for him....then we had sex

No....I've never felt bad about it, it happened (and then again a few more times that week and then never again)...it was fun...really didnt think about the "incest" issue....in other countries cousins marry so it didnt seem wrong...now if it had been a sibling...I def wouldnt have done it.

Hah! You must love sex. You seem to have a story for every one of these threads. :D
Also note to those who want non-incestuous family sex: go for the cousins twice removed. They should be about your age, and are equivalent to second cousins as far as genetic similarity. :)


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