Lockjaw

On the Europe thing... I know nudity in general is more accepted there but do you really see women outside working topless on a hot day or just sauntering down the street with no top? On the beach I've heard but not just random everyday.

Grace, Too

I have a question: Are you women oppressed, are you truly disadvantaged because the courts won't let you do that one thing that women have been dying to do since the invention of the cantilevered bra - bare your breasts?
Is this really holding you back? Is it making you less of a woman because you don't have the fundamental freedom to show the world your tits? WOuld you feel more complete if you would tan your breasts at the beach, or garden with your boobs out?

Is it going to make a difference in the world for women if this mighty victory is won?
Also, what percentage of women, lets say American women really really care about this? Enough to make it an actual issue???

These are just a few questions that I, an ignorant, unlearned man, has about women.

SirSeymour

This is exactly how I feel. Anytime my wife wants to show off, I am all for it. She is stunningly beautiful and it really does it for me to know other guys are looking at her. And since it has always done something for her self-confidence as well it is a win-win with no downside.

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thales

To heck with freedom and its accompanying nudity. I would prefer it be legally mandated that women must wear bras that fit.

Most women wear bras that either don't support what they have or are so small that the women look like they have six breasts. Good bras can make average breasts look spectacular. I prefer "spectacular" (and my imagination) to having to face the ugly truth.

Averett

thales has a great point there, most women are not wearing the correct size bra. I'm sure I'm not actually!

A friend of mine has fairly sizeable breasts. She claims to be a 36C. She got measured once and the woman found her to be a 36DD. Well, my friend just will not wear that sized bra. Although the 36DD bra will most likely make her look better.

But uhh, yeah... I don't see why women shouldn't go around topless if they'd like. Stupid puritanical society that we live in anyway.

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Daval

This was uncalled for, and I do not want to see such posts again.

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Averett

Smackdown!

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water_boy1999

Your friend isn't single by chance is she?

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Irishsean

Yee gods! The Orange text was also uncalled for! My eyes!

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pinkie

Cool! That's exactly how my husband and I are too!

Daval

I like to do nice big type when I get my mod-stick out.
Leaves an impression.
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jillian

i used to walk around topless when i got my first apt... mainly just to show my independence and my freedom to do whatever i choose... but with 2 kids the topless days are long gone.. sniff... sniff... pitty party for me... lol

Irishsean

I think the biggest opponent to this would be the adult industry. If it was out there all the time, what would be the big deal? Other than the fact that day in and day out we'd see about 95% old withered ones, their business might actually go up.

I predict a increase in either adult videos or hot pokers if this passed.

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CrazyFark

Having been to the topless beaches of Europe, and the nude beaches of Croatia....after a short while, it's no thing. The first 14-15 year old girls you see are a little strange--I shouldn'be be looking at that. But soon you just don't care.

And think of a public bus. Nekkid. All ages, all types. That's a nude beach.

trache

This has been legal in the province of Ontario for about 8 years now:

http://www.fcn.ca/Gwen.html
http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill...o/ontario.html
http://www.law.ualberta.ca/alri/ulc/criminal/enude.htm
http://www.cbsc.ca/english/decisions...98/980220g.htm

There are local by-laws in certain municipalities of course.

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Woodberg

Who cares. If they want to go topless, so be it.

Averett

She's single, but believe me, she's not worth the trouble!

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verychubby

Add me to the bet!

Charlatan

Yes because in southern Europe where women are frequently found topless... Rape is at an all time high!

/end sarcasm

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cj22009

I dissagree whit ya grace it wouldnt cause more rape because for a rapist it isnt about the sex its about the controll most rapist pick women because they are usually easier targets there are men out there that have been raped also you just dont hear about it as much

sushiboy

I think if women were walking around topless all the time, boobs would lose their appeal. Not to mention premature sagging...

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AngelicVampire

If women want to go topless so be it, its not like most people will or that it would actually harm people, heck seeing naked breasts and stuff may actually be good for people as there is currently a good deal of stigma attatched to the human body... ok some might not be as pretty as others but if its there all the time you want it less, heck "fully clothed" might become the next fetish.

denim

http://www.asstr.org/~caultron/adam-nis-wk1-pre.html is a story someone wrote where nudity has become the fashion, after all STDs, including AIDS, have been cured. It's a bit weird, and I haven't finished reading it myself, but the world it paints as background to the plot is... interesting.

NegativeNine

On the rape thing: if rapists did start targeting topless women, what would happen? The women would put thier tops back on. The law would allow toplessness, but there would be none. The boob baring women would be satisfied without boobs appearing. I win.

I personally don't believe there'd be an increase in rape. Maybe even the opposite?

denim

You have something against bare boobs?

solaron1

I read somewhere that bras didn't actually help to prevent sagging or anything along those lines. It's actually just another one of those things people get used to doing.

Anyways, maybe if more women walked around topless us guys would get used to them and could actually focus on something we've been trying to get around to... their eyes. Or maybe we'll just focus even more on the beloved junk in the trunk.

I have a feeling if women get the freedom to walk around topless us guys won't be happy 'till we get a national Mandatory day or week where hot women(and only hot women) have to walk to walk around naked.

God bless the Wonder Bra!!!!

d*d

why stop with topless, if were addressing the issue of offending people with our nudity, why can't we all walk round wearing or not wearing whatever the fuck we like, we originally started wearing clothes to keep us warm not because our naked bodies are offensive(well not all of them).

Psycho Dad

Breasts are for feeding babies and had our societies not conditioned us to believe otherwise, we wouldn't even be having this discussion. My problem is not so much with with women not being allowed to go to the beach topless as much as it is with mothers feeling they have to go hide somewhere to feed their child.

sapiens

First, I think that women who want to walk around topless should have the freedom to do so. Women should be able to wear whatever they want safely. Being sexually attracted to a rape victim does not absolve a rapist from responsibility. Men the world over are sexually attracted to women. The vast, vast, vast majority of men do not rape. I don't know whether or not women walking around topless would increase rape. I doubt it and I hope not.

I've heard the rape is about power argument many times, but I have never been convinced. (ASIDE: Despite countless google hits to the contrary.)The evidence that leads me to believe that rape is about sex:

1. Rape involves sex.
2. Men are most sexually attracted to women in their prime reproductive years (post-pubescent/pre-menopausal) .
3. Men do not (generally) rape other men.
4. Most rape victims are women in their prime reproductive years.
5. Victims of rape who are in their prime reproductive years have a harder time recovering than those victims outside of prime reproductive years.
6. Victims of vaginal rape have a harder time recovering than victims of oral rape.

My sources are at work and I am at home. If people are interested, I can find the sources tomorrow.

hannukah harry

this isn't about being oppressed or winning a moral victory. this about a law that criminalizes women for something that men can legally do. this is about getting rid of another brick in the equality of the sexes. whether many women will choose to do this is doubtful, but for those that choose to they should have that ability without being penalized.

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little_tippler

I wouldn't mind being able to walk around that way if I wanted, but I don't think I'd adjust to it straight off...I'm not exactly the most extroverted of women.

But I agree with wnker85 that it would take all the fun out of naked bodies, if you just saw them all the time. The excitement in naked bodies is that they're usually covered and only just peeking at you through sexy underwear...and only come out when they want to play!

Also agree with hannukahharry...it is about double standards.

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kollege_gal2000

If topless was legal, I would go topless. Maybe not all the time, but sometimes. After a while, especially late in the day, women get tired of dealing with underwires and bras. I think the majority of women who choose to go topless do it because they don't want to deal with the frustrations that clothes bring.

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Lefty04

Two words: volleyball league.

black94lt1

Unfortunately, the wrong ones are ones that would opt to go topless, just like at nude beaches!

adam

There are no "wrong ones", it's not about what you want, it's about what they want.

SecretMethod70

Actually, this isn't exactly true. Humans are the only mammals who have permanently substantial breasts. Other mammals have very little distinction betwen male breasts and female breasts, except when the female is lactating. So, they are basically normally flat, and the breasts get larger only during lactation.

Humans, however, evolved to be more upright than any other species of mammal. As such, the primary focus of sexual attraction - the buttocks - was less visible. Anthropologists believe that this is why human breasts are always larger in females than males as opposed to only when lactating.

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Jam

Actually Fallenangel, I believe it is legal here in bc

Zeraph

sapiens- Rape (90% of rapes at least) is about controll and power over the victim. My source is a criminologist who has over 30 years experience.

And on topic, I agree that women should be allowed to be topless for equalitie's sake.

SecretMethod70

This is not as clear cut as some groups (which have had vast impact on sociological theory) would like you to think. I have read anthropological analyses which say quite the contrary. And, personally, when I have a choice between a social science perspective and something like evolutionary anthropology which has something physical to base its assertions on, I'm going to go with the anthropological view. One of the more interesting books that I have read in this regard is "The Dark Side of Man" by Michael Ghiglieri, a primate researcher and protege of Jane Goodall.

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berry1603

For a person who hates clothes, this would be wonderful. I never got the reason why men always went crazy over women's breasts. The United States is like the only county that veiw breasts as sex objects more than a feeding tool. All breast are are fat and glands.