amire

Hello all. Allow me to preface this with an apology for starting two new threads in such a short timespan together...I'm just REALLY horny right now and am fantasizing a lot

Anywho, back on topic: like many men here, I've watched a LOT of porn, and I'm a fan, for it's nice to just hammer away and allow fantasies to go wild. I know that real sex is much preferable, but I'm in a bad situation right now and can't get much sex with my current setup.

ANYways, as time has gone on, I've really begun to hate the porn that studios put out. I really don't like to see physically "perfect" people act in scripted porn scenes...they just don't feel very real.

I do, however, love the newer "amateur sex" porn videos that have come out. For example, the "CollegeFuckFest" line is much preferable to many of the things studios put out.

But even those CFF videos are a bit stilted and don't feel very personal. The fact that CFF asks that people pay for their vids is also a downer...one could download them from the Internet, but that's piracy.

Here's the crux of my post: what I'd like to do is start a FREE web site entirely based around amateur sex videos sent in by the site's members. We'd obviously have to have some sort of authentication technique so that the members don't send in videos of underage people having sex, but I think that it'd be a really neat idea. In terms of distribution, we could simply use the new BitTorrent technology that has recently come out.

My question to you TFP members is this: how many of you would be interested in such an endeavor? Am I just pandering to an extremely odd fetish I have that very few people share? Or is this something that might work? Could I start a site where people send in their videos for others to enjoy? I know, I know...we might get a lot of pretty gross-looking videos...but I imagine we'll get some pretty spectacular ones, for I've seen some amateur vids done very well.

So what do you think? Am I crazy, or does this have a future?

Thanks for your time!

shortynickel

I think that if you did start a website like that it would have to have rules setup such as this site does...but in a different way since it would only be for videos...but i am sure if you could accomplish it...it would diffenetly be a hit.

as a side note have you seen "the masseuse" , i havent seen it but Howard Stern talks about it being his favorite one of all time.

Prince

It starts as free, but then you realize that you can't afford the server space and especially the unimaginable amounts of bandwidth that visitors will use up daily.

Then you start asking for donations. Then donations for special, additional features. And you can take it from there.

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antisuck

I know of at least one subscription site like that; they have a very poor security scheme though, so I have been able to check it out at some length for free.

I was frankly surprised at the size of the active community, the sheer number of people interested in filming themselves who were able to find the site and contribute short clips such that there is new material every single day. In that sense your idea seems like one that would work.

Using bittorrent sounds like a great way to get around bandwidth considerations, but opens the door to other kinds of minor problems. I belong to another forum that has a subforum for trading porn, and a member-donated torrent tracker, and there is always squabbling over ratios and an ongoing need for minor technical support for people trying to connect through routers and firewalls. And any related forums must be VERY strictly moderated, with a swift hand, as there will always be some jerk who makes negative comments about (the occasional) personal material shared by a member that can result in hurt feelings and dwindling contributions.

I am new here and have no access to the Tilted eye-candy areas; perhaps they have a novel approach to such issues that works well. In any case, there's maybe some food for thought.

I'd personally be very interested in such a site, but I don't know that I would want to share anything of myself and my partner. Does your vision only allow access by contributing members? If so, how do you gauge an appropriate level of activity? Something else to think about.

Anyway, just some things that crossed my mind. Do keep us updated, sounds like a very interesting idea.

amire

Prince -- Like antisuck said, I wouldn't use a server for all my distribution...I'd use a P2P filesharing protocol called bittorrent that allows users to upload pieces of a file as they download them.

Antisuck -- you make some good points. I might end up setting up one server that seeds the 10 latest files or something like that. And I know that the human problem will be the most difficult...people being too critical of others' work, people not wanting to share, etc.

I think another problem I'd run into would be deciding whether both parties in the video were consentual to the video's release. Is it against the law to publish a video in which one partner didn't consent to the distribution? And there's always that strategy some people use of asking their partner if they can publish the video WIHLE the two are having sex and the partner doesn't really care one way or the other. Also, how can we be sure these people are loading up videos of themselves and not just random porn videos?

If I could get around that huge obstacle...the one of authentication...then we'd definitely have something big on our hands

fightftf3

Something like that would go off, you'd get the most members ever. You could get submitters to scan in their license pic or somethin, so that an admin can verify that its them in the vid or something. I dunno... good luck, sounds awesome. Keep us updated.

Kontjesman

Great idea on the amateur section! If my girlfriend allows me, I'm contributing without a doubt. If not, I'm hoping I will see lots of pretty amateur butts.

Mephisto2

Sites like this already exist.

Lots of them.


Mr Mephisto

slimshaydee

A porn site on the internet? What are you crazy

denim

Is that the one with the really creepy guy who keeps putting moves on his massuse? If so, I've got it. Does someone else want it??

amire

Are you sure about this? I'm talking about a completely free site powered entirely by its users and a P2P distribution system called Bittorrent...if there's something like this, I've never seen it before.

And about the authentication...I think that the scanning the license thing would be a good idea, but I still worry about the whole Photoshopping a license thing...I'd have to come up with something better...maybe even have whoever shoots the film actually film themselves signing a waiver and whatnot. I just REALLY worry about the legal side of things...the technical and content side really wouldn't be huge problems.

Dude51

If you want to prove that it is them in the video, just get them to put up a sign or write on their bodies the name of your site. Something like the "hot ot not" websites do in order to prove that the picture is indeed taken by an amateur and not a pro. This would also prove that the video is consensual by both members.

Anyway, sounds like a great idea.

Anomaly_

Torrent files still require a central tracking server in order for clients to see each other.

amire

That's true, but I highly doubt that this requires nearly as much bandwidth on the server side as a simple server/client download site would require.

All this positive reaction has really made me strongly consider actually putting up a bare bones site and tracker to get this all started. I'll reply to this post with URL info if I ever decide to go for it.

KCMadcow

Big fan of amatuer- would be great to see submissions, even if some would probably put me off of sex for awhile ;-)

blar

i think it will be very hard for you to keep the site free...porn sites get a lot of traffic thus will equal a lot of money. The best way for you to do this as people have discussed already is to make a Bittorent site

amire

Heehee...I know what you mean...amateur stuff can be pretty terribly-done.

bendsley

Advertisements can help. But, I think the bittorrent thing would be much better served than letting users leach videos. When you have people just downloading, then you're going to end up paying the bandwidth expenses and they can get quite expensive, just ask Halx with this forum. At least with bittorrent, when a user downloads, they are forced to upload.

Donations would also be a good thing. You would have to make it secure so people would trust your site, or you would go through a medium such as PayPal. They only thing with using PayPal though is that as a business, they require a certain percentage of what gets transacted.

Storage and bandwidth would be your two biggest issues that I can forsee. Some simple 200gig drive in a RAID 1 array would not last very long with videos on it and constant writing/reading. You would need to start with some sort of storage server with drives in RAID 5.

I'm also seeing some sort of database going to be needed to handle user/pass, video info, etc. These can grow very quickly. Our database file at work is around 18gigs (and it's just text).

Start one of these if you want, would be neat. But, just beware what all goes into running one of these too.

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antisuck

Good thoughts bendsley; I'd only add that PayPal does not allow their service to be used to pay for porn, so another similar service would be in order. Of course one could argue that it's only a donation, for no particular reason but I have seen that attempted, and they have the power to cancel your account if it's questionable.

amire

Thanks for the input, bendsley. I'm not going to start out with a massive plan in the beginning for such a large endeavour, but I'll be aware of what you said...that small projects can often turn into huge undertakings. I don't really have the money right now to buy a few gigs from a really nice company...who knows...maybe I'll just start out by seeding the first few torrents from my own computer before I get donations...although that's probably not going to work, for my dad'll probably notice the Internet slow-down (HS senior living at home, here)! He's gotten suspicious in the past...

wolfpack0102

porn is good

Prince

I personally prefer DC++ all the way, regardless of the leeches.

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Boylan

Common practice in the Broadcast World, when doing man on the street interviews and the likes is the person looks into the camera, says their name, age a few other details and reads a disclaimer which says something like

"I (name) Understand I am being video taped for (whatever purpose) and give (whatever media company) the right to use and or distribute my likeness for this purpose and any related purpose in the future."

it, of course, never makes it on the air, but it prevents people from suing because they talked to a news crew when they should have been at work or were hanging out in front of a brothel... same should work in this situation too.

This could of course cut down on the pre-taped admissions, but as long as both (or all) involved hand over a clip to you with an added not for DL clip saying its all good and you can tell its the same people in the vid you should be in the clear.