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Redlemon · 09-17-2004, 06:45 AM

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Calif. Fines 2 Adult Film Cos. $30K Each

Sep 17, 9:59 AM (ET)

LOS ANGELES (AP) - California officials fined two adult film companies more than $30,000 each for allowing actors to perform without using condoms, the first time the state has taken such action.

The fines against Evasive Angles and TTB Productions follow an investigation into a complaint filed by a porn industry worker. The companies have 15 days to appeal the decision Wednesday by the state Division of Occupational Health and Safety.

Susan Gard, agency spokeswoman, said the companies violated California law when actors performed sex scenes without using condoms. She said state law requires employers to protect workers who are exposed to blood or bodily fluids on the job.

"Any bodily fluid is considered infectious," she said. "That means barrier equipment must be used."

Four actors were diagnosed earlier this year with HIV, prompting state officials to say they would investigate whether state laws were being followed. Officials at Evasive Angles and TTB Productions could not immediately be reached for comment; calls to them went unanswered early Friday.

The companies were also cited for not notifying authorities about actors who contracted HIV on the job, officials said.

It is a widely held belief among adult film producers that condom use hurts profits because customers would rather see unprotected sex. However, some large adult film production companies require actors to use condoms.

Sounds like they went after a couple of "little" companies to make a point. Will this drive the adult video companies to move filming to Nevada or overseas, or do you think everyone will switch to condoms? Or is this just a backroute method to try to shut down the adult industry?

Also not clear in this article how the fines were determined. Per scene, per video, per actor? Could be interesting.

The Phenomenon · 09-17-2004, 06:52 AM

I guess they'll just have the actors sigfn a waiver or something in the future.

the_marq · 09-17-2004, 06:56 AM

Well this should drive the pron industry underground pretty quickly. Kind of a shame really. I doubt that signing a waiver will really help, fact is that if I do something dangerous for work without the proper saftey equipment the boss is still responsible, even if I did sign a waiver stating that I accept the consequences.

maleficent · 09-17-2004, 07:15 AM

Devil's Advocate here?

If I worked in an office building that was wired poorly, or had other hazards, OSHA would be all over the company to get if fixed. It's up to an employer to provide a safe place to work. (I'm a contractor at most places I go, that doesn't negate the employers responsibility to provide a safe place) Why should the porn industry be any different?

mb99usa · 09-17-2004, 07:19 AM

I agree with maleficent. Why shouldn't the actors be afforded the same safe work conditions we all expect? I am surprised it has taken this long for mandatory condom use to be implemented. I would think the porn producers would push for this. Sales may take a temporary dip but if all producers have to follow the same rules and it is the only kind legally available sales will rise again.

Redlemon · 09-17-2004, 07:23 AM

I personally don't mind seeing condoms in porn; I just don't like that they suddenly appear out of nowhere. (I also dislike when clothes suddenly vanish, or the positions change suddenly. I want to see the transitions). I wonder if condom acceptance in the general population would improve if they fetishized the action of putting on a condom.

MageB420666 · 09-17-2004, 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by redlemon

I wonder if condom acceptance in the general population would improve if they fetishized the action of putting on a condom.

I would personally not find watching a condom being put on a turn on. In fact it would kind of turn me off. And having sex with multiple partners is a risk of going in to that industry. You face risks no matter where you work. If you work in construction it doesn't matter how careful and safe you are, accidents can still happen, the same goes for the porn industry, and with how long the shoots can last I wouldn't be suprised if most of the condoms broke at some point or another. and besides, who wants to watch a girl sucking off a guy while he's wearing a rubber?

maleficent · 09-17-2004, 07:35 AM

But if you are running around a construction site without a hard hat and proper footwear, you are asking for trouble, there are generally signs posted, that hard hats are mandatory. If you fuck around on a porn set without using a condom, your chances of trouble increase exponentially.

Averett · 09-17-2004, 07:37 AM

I think this is such a stupid issue.

Guys always say "But condoms in porn are such a turn off waaaahhhh!"

Well, that's because the only porn you've seen (for the most part) don't involve condoms. If EVERY SINGLE PORN had condom usage, then that would be the norm, right? If that is what you were exposed to from the first time you watched porn then would you still be turned off?

I think people need to quit complaining about condom usage and be a little more worried about the individuals health risk who are making porn.

rukkyg · 09-17-2004, 04:15 PM

From what I've heard, all pornos have condoms now, but they're really good at hiding them.

catback · 09-17-2004, 04:45 PM

As much as it would be a step toward safety, mandatory condom usage will just push companies to relocate to another state or country. As far as having all porn having condom usage, it's slightly more possible than world peace. We all have or will have sex with our partner without a condom or at the very least expect such day to come so porn with condoms don't exactly portray the sex we imagine with our partners. Because of the difference between our imagination and the condom filled porn we watch alot of people will opt for condom-free porn over the alternative. Thus condom-less companies are at an advantage and little do they want to lose that advantage. So the way I see it the days of all condom porn are so distant away I can't even see them in my imagination.

davik · 09-17-2004, 06:14 PM

I figure it will just drive the companies to move to areas where it isn't illegal to film without a condom. This is quite simply because by the argument made for having to wear the condom (protection from bodily fluids), you've just eliminated the money shot, and for some reason that seems to be just about essential to porn :P Add in that it tends to look weird watching someone give a blow job to a guy wearing a condom and I think condoms will be staying out of the industry. Would they be safer if they wore them? Yes, however, I don't see the change happening any time soon, and frankly if you're in porn you know the risks involved with the industry, so you won't catch me caring alot that the actors aren't wearing condoms. Don't like the risk, don't go in to the industry.

viejo gringo · 09-17-2004, 07:12 PM

They can go under ground and off shore all they want, but they will still
end up like "Johnny Wad" if they don't use protection..it's a no brainer.

elydian · 09-19-2004, 06:05 AM

Truth is, most infections in porn are not from intercourse anyway; they're from creampie, vaginal and anal. Wearing a condom is pretty pointless if the guy just pulls it off and cums on the chick's face anyway; and the risk of infection from facials is almost zero (unless there's swallowing). Ban creampies before you make condoms mandatory.

Holo · 09-19-2004, 05:46 PM

dumb question; if the compaines shoot the scenes outside Cali's jurisdiction can they still be held to these laws?

Not that I buy porn anyway, but I honestly would NEVER buy a porn with a single rubber in it. It's bad enough you gotta use the things to get laid-I shouldn't have to see it in my porn. Stars take the risks, just like an electrician takes the risk of being fried so your computer stays on. There's a certain level of acceptable risk in hazardous jobs, and porn is no different. You can't be an electrician and guarantee you won't get shocked. I think the industry does a pretty good job of keeping AIDS out of the workplace, considering how many ppl those recently infected fucked in a two week period. It all started when one star went to Brazil and shot a scene in more risky conditions. Protection is only as good as it's weakness. Condoms suck, but IRL they are necessary. Porn isn't real life, and I'd like my video fantasies condom-free, thanks.

mb99usa · 09-20-2004, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Holo

Condoms suck, but IRL they are necessary. Porn isn't real life, and I'd like my video fantasies condom-free, thanks.

That has to be the worste argument I've ever heard. How can you say that porn isn't real life? Those people aren't computer generated. They have lives and families and shouldn't have to put themselves at any greater risk than you or me. Maybe if they wore condoms it would make a bigger impression on teens and maybe help educate more people about safe sex.

SecretMethod70 · 09-20-2004, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by mb99usa

That has to be the worste argument I've ever heard. How can you say that porn isn't real life? Those people aren't computer generated. They have lives and families and shouldn't have to put themselves at any greater risk than you or me. Maybe if they wore condoms it would make a bigger impression on teens and maybe help educate more people about safe sex.

Agreed. I can't see ANY logical argument against condoms in porn. I mean, if someone's WILLING to do scenes without condoms, fine, but they should all have a choice.

mb99usa · 09-20-2004, 07:59 PM

How about that Secret we agree on something.

SecretMethod70 · 09-20-2004, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by mb99usa

How about that Secret we agree on something.

lol, do we not normally agree?

motdakasha · 09-21-2004, 12:44 AM

Considering the porn industry is a billion dollar industry that big name companies in the corporate world like Comcast and AOL Time Warner take part in, I doubt the porn industry is going to care about a 30,000$ fine. That's pocket change.

The porn industry is here to stay. It would take a lot more than a measly fine to make them go underground.

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/prime...ss_030128.html

skills1 · 09-21-2004, 03:38 PM

Always use protection!!

09-17-2004, 06:56 AM	#3 (permalink)
the_marq All hail the Mountain King Location: Black Mesa	Well this should drive the pron industry underground pretty quickly. Kind of a shame really. I doubt that signing a waiver will really help, fact is that if I do something dangerous for work without the proper saftey equipment the boss is still responsible, even if I did sign a waiver stating that I accept the consequences. __________________ The Truth: Johnny Cash could have kicked Bruce Lee's ass if he wanted to. #3 in a series

09-17-2004, 07:15 AM	#4 (permalink)
maleficent Junkie Moderator Emeritus Location: Chicago	Devil's Advocate here? If I worked in an office building that was wired poorly, or had other hazards, OSHA would be all over the company to get if fixed. It's up to an employer to provide a safe place to work. (I'm a contractor at most places I go, that doesn't negate the employers responsibility to provide a safe place) Why should the porn industry be any different? __________________ Free your heart from hatred. Free your mind from worries. Live simply. Give more. Expect less.

09-17-2004, 07:19 AM	#5 (permalink)
mb99usa Keep on rolling. It only hurts for a little while. Location: wherever I am	I agree with maleficent. Why shouldn't the actors be afforded the same safe work conditions we all expect? I am surprised it has taken this long for mandatory condom use to be implemented. I would think the porn producers would push for this. Sales may take a temporary dip but if all producers have to follow the same rules and it is the only kind legally available sales will rise again. __________________ So, what's your point? It's not an attitude, it's a way of life.

09-17-2004, 07:35 AM	#8 (permalink)
maleficent Junkie Moderator Emeritus Location: Chicago	But if you are running around a construction site without a hard hat and proper footwear, you are asking for trouble, there are generally signs posted, that hard hats are mandatory. If you fuck around on a porn set without using a condom, your chances of trouble increase exponentially. __________________ Free your heart from hatred. Free your mind from worries. Live simply. Give more. Expect less.

09-17-2004, 07:37 AM	#9 (permalink)
Averett Is In Love Location: I'm workin' on it	I think this is such a stupid issue. Guys always say "But condoms in porn are such a turn off waaaahhhh!" Well, that's because the only porn you've seen (for the most part) don't involve condoms. If EVERY SINGLE PORN had condom usage, then that would be the norm, right? If that is what you were exposed to from the first time you watched porn then would you still be turned off? I think people need to quit complaining about condom usage and be a little more worried about the individuals health risk who are making porn. __________________ Absence is to love what wind is to fire. It extinguishes the small, it enkindles the great.

09-17-2004, 06:52 AM	#2 (permalink)
The Phenomenon Psycho Location: I think my horns are coming out	I guess they'll just have the actors sigfn a waiver or something in the future.

09-17-2004, 07:23 AM	#6 (permalink)
Redlemon Devoted Donor Location: New England	I personally don't mind seeing condoms in porn; I just don't like that they suddenly appear out of nowhere. (I also dislike when clothes suddenly vanish, or the positions change suddenly. I want to see the transitions). I wonder if condom acceptance in the general population would improve if they fetishized the action of putting on a condom.

09-17-2004, 04:15 PM	#10 (permalink)
rukkyg Loser Location: RPI, Troy, NY	From what I've heard, all pornos have condoms now, but they're really good at hiding them.

09-17-2004, 04:45 PM	#11 (permalink)
catback Psycho Location: North America	As much as it would be a step toward safety, mandatory condom usage will just push companies to relocate to another state or country. As far as having all porn having condom usage, it's slightly more possible than world peace. We all have or will have sex with our partner without a condom or at the very least expect such day to come so porn with condoms don't exactly portray the sex we imagine with our partners. Because of the difference between our imagination and the condom filled porn we watch alot of people will opt for condom-free porn over the alternative. Thus condom-less companies are at an advantage and little do they want to lose that advantage. So the way I see it the days of all condom porn are so distant away I can't even see them in my imagination.

09-17-2004, 06:14 PM	#12 (permalink)
davik Irradiation for fun and profit Location: Controlled access area	I figure it will just drive the companies to move to areas where it isn't illegal to film without a condom. This is quite simply because by the argument made for having to wear the condom (protection from bodily fluids), you've just eliminated the money shot, and for some reason that seems to be just about essential to porn :P Add in that it tends to look weird watching someone give a blow job to a guy wearing a condom and I think condoms will be staying out of the industry. Would they be safer if they wore them? Yes, however, I don't see the change happening any time soon, and frankly if you're in porn you know the risks involved with the industry, so you won't catch me caring alot that the actors aren't wearing condoms. Don't like the risk, don't go in to the industry. __________________ "Whenever you find that you are on the side of the majority, it is time to reform." -- Mark Twain

09-17-2004, 07:12 PM	#13 (permalink)
viejo gringo Registered User Location: Deep South Texas	They can go under ground and off shore all they want, but they will still end up like "Johnny Wad" if they don't use protection..it's a no brainer.

09-19-2004, 06:05 AM	#14 (permalink)
elydian Upright	Truth is, most infections in porn are not from intercourse anyway; they're from creampie, vaginal and anal. Wearing a condom is pretty pointless if the guy just pulls it off and cums on the chick's face anyway; and the risk of infection from facials is almost zero (unless there's swallowing). Ban creampies before you make condoms mandatory. Last edited by elydian; 09-19-2004 at 06:08 AM..

09-19-2004, 05:46 PM	#15 (permalink)
Holo A Real American	dumb question; if the compaines shoot the scenes outside Cali's jurisdiction can they still be held to these laws? Not that I buy porn anyway, but I honestly would NEVER buy a porn with a single rubber in it. It's bad enough you gotta use the things to get laid-I shouldn't have to see it in my porn. Stars take the risks, just like an electrician takes the risk of being fried so your computer stays on. There's a certain level of acceptable risk in hazardous jobs, and porn is no different. You can't be an electrician and guarantee you won't get shocked. I think the industry does a pretty good job of keeping AIDS out of the workplace, considering how many ppl those recently infected fucked in a two week period. It all started when one star went to Brazil and shot a scene in more risky conditions. Protection is only as good as it's weakness. Condoms suck, but IRL they are necessary. Porn isn't real life, and I'd like my video fantasies condom-free, thanks. __________________ I happen to like the words "fuck", "cock", "pussy", "tits", "cunt", "twat", "shit" and even "bitch". As long as I am not using them to describe you, don't go telling me whether or not I can/should use them...that is, if you want me to continue refraining from using them to describe you. ~Prince

09-20-2004, 07:59 PM	#18 (permalink)
mb99usa Keep on rolling. It only hurts for a little while. Location: wherever I am	How about that Secret we agree on something. __________________ So, what's your point? It's not an attitude, it's a way of life.

09-21-2004, 12:44 AM	#20 (permalink)
motdakasha Hiya Puddin'! Miss me? Location: Silicon Valley, CA	Considering the porn industry is a billion dollar industry that big name companies in the corporate world like Comcast and AOL Time Warner take part in, I doubt the porn industry is going to care about a 30,000$ fine. That's pocket change. The porn industry is here to stay. It would take a lot more than a measly fine to make them go underground. http://abcnews.go.com/sections/prime...ss_030128.html __________________ =^-^= motdakasha =^-^= Just Google It. BA Psychology & Photography (I'm not going psychoanalyze you nor will I let you cry on my shoulder. Have a nice day.) Last edited by motdakasha; 09-21-2004 at 12:48 AM..

09-21-2004, 03:38 PM	#21 (permalink)
skills1 Tilted	Always use protection!!