Not much I can add, except to love those babies, and best of luck to you friend. It is true that it is always darkest before the dawn. I have a good feeling you are going to get through this. Many, many others have. It is part of the human condition. Godspeed to you and the babies....

wow, thats good.. going back to school should also help keep your head off things.. you might find that new someone too :) anyways good to hear your parents are holding your back.. props to them. just take all that love that should have been for your wife and give it all to the kids.. it will help a great deal. keep us updated :)

Yeah, its absolutely fantastic your parents are going to help you out with your kids and emotionally. That is the best for the kids and for you. Bravo!

UPDATE:

Almost moved out, A few boxes and odds and end type stuff left.

We celebrated my birthday (the family) by going out to eat last night and she came along. It was the first time since all this started happening that she was nice. She actually sat down on the chair with me and touched me some. It was nice, but I was able not to freak out after she was gone like I was doing a couple days ago every time I saw her.

I am leaving tomorrow for OH. I am going to take my camera and get as many pics of coffee shops as I can to get some ideas for mine.

Let me run an idea by you all. What do you think of having a table or two in the cafe that tilts up so you can use it to draw or sketch. My brother is an art student and he said he would like a place where he could go take his stuff and do some school work. Also I want to get these chairs that are like the ones at Barnes and noble, but in leather, that have a stainless steal thing that comes out from the arm and sits over your lap so you can use your laptop without it sitting in your lap. Just a few ideas, but I want something that could set me out from all the other cafes.

The chairs and tables sound like Good Things, but pricey.

Get the chairs and tables...so many coffee shops I have been to have those and they are busy as hell and they just set the mood for relaxation in the place and do so much more business then starcraps, I mean starbucks. GL with your woman but if it was me I would say to take her down and make her ass suffer. I am going through a divorce now and she took off with my daughter without me knowing. Now she will fill the wrath of a man who wants his daughter back (1 yrd old) and she will be crying till the cow's come home. BRING ON THE PAIN!!!!!!!!

woohoo, it's been a long ride.. hope better things are ahead for you

How are things going, I wonder? I hope all's well.

Well I am back from Ohio, and I started my new job with Sprint PCS Tech support. So I have been training nights and its alot to learn, so I have kinda not had to deal with anything other then that for the most part. But things are still right where they were, just sitting in limbo waiting to get with a decent therapist. Its still hard and I still want things to work out, but things are looking bleak. Trying now to concentrate on the things I did not like about her so I am not so depressed.

I am almost to the point of just wanting some closure so I know whether or not I can move on. Right now I feel if I were to go out and hook up with someone it would ruin my chances of getting back with her.

phyzix, I couldn't find where it said how old your kids might be in this but I'll give you a point of view that you might need. If your kids are old enough to see whats happening and be affected by all this then you have the only reason you need to be the mature and responsible one in this. I'm a stepfather of two kids right now who dealt with their parents divorce at the age of 6 and 8. They remember everything and when they truly need something important then they come to their mother and I, we were the responsible and mature people.

On the topic of missing her and stuff, its alright to feel that way. You loved her, still do most likely, and missing her is quite natural. What you will have to do is acknowledge that its over and grieve about it. Theres absolutely nothing wrong or crazy about feeling that way. The sooner you accept that its over and that its ok to be upset about not being married to her anymore then the sooner that you can go on with your life WITH your children.

You will need to move forward and take care of your emotions and mental state quickly, because if you are not ok with yourself, you will not be ok with your children and your children will start being 'not ok with you'.

I wish you the best of luck in moving forward and getting your business together. take care of those kids. You will be amazed at how much more important they become to you. :thumbsup:

UPDATE:

Kinda made a mistake last night. I was at a party and I ended hooking up with this chick there. I am not sure that it was a good idea, but I was just sick of everything and just wanted to reasure myself that I still have it, ya know? But really I think it was all about getting back at Jessica. She told me that she has her eye on some guy from work and that she has a crush on him or whatnot. I don't even know why she told me. But now if we do get back together, I kinda doubt that I will ever tell her about this.

She told you to piss you off, plain and simple. Not to rain down on you or anything, but hasn't she already slept with this guy she supposedly has a crush on? If she keeps going on and on about how she had a crush on him, she's already slept with him dude. (I'll tell you if my wife comes home night after night talking about how she has a crush on some other guy while she was living with me and being supported by me her ass would be out on the street so she can be with her special guy.) :thumbsup: She just doesn't have the balls to come out and say it. And from what you've been writing in this thread, (and please tell me if you think I'm wrong because I don't know you personally) I don't think you two will be getting back together. So in that retrospect, I would'nt worry about you hooking up with a girl at some party. I'm willing to bet it made you forget about her and it helped you to realize that you have to move on and this chick made it a little easier for you. Personally, I wouldn't lead her on or anything because you're still on the rebound but I'm still willing to bet it did make you feel better.

Ok, I need to get all of this straight. Your wife has done the following:

- Admitted to you that she is not attracted to you, yet she feels attracted to men she meets at the bar.

If you needed a place to start raising the red flag, this is it. Relationships are about attraction. You haven't had sex but 10 times in 6 months, yet your wife is fantasizing about other men when she masturbates. You don't need a therapist to see that there's something wrong with that.

- Dumped the kids off on you on multiple occasions so she can go out and drink with her "friends."

You're being used. You're a convenience, a babysitter. You're like her free ticket out of responsibility. She doesn't need to be a mommy, because daddy is willing to shoulder the burden while she goes out and downs daquiris with the guys from work.

- Made out with another guy on at least one occasion, and admitted to wanting to fuck him.

If my wife did this, she wouldn't be my wife anymore. There wouldn't be any forum posts or marriage counselling. She'd be on the curb with the kids and whatever she brought into the relationship, and no jury in the land would take her side.

- Lied to you about her whereabouts on more than one occasion.

Not even the most severe of her transgressions, but certainly a warning sign that your relationship is in trouble.

- Discouraged you from hanging out with (or meeting?) her friends in their natural environment (the bar).

Let me tell you what this means in plain English. It means "I want you to remain a concept, a vague footnote who I can blame for my sadness. I don't want my friends making a connection between 'my husband' and a real person, because then they will see that I am not as sympathetic as I make myself out to be in front of them." However, maybe I'm overanalyzing. Maybe it just means "The man I want to fuck is going to be there." Can you think of any acceptable reason why your wife wouldn't want you to hang out with her friends? I can't.

I'm sorry you've had to deal with all of this. There's a lot of good advice in this thread, and a lot of it involves ways you can move on with your life. Look, it sucks shit, it really does. But if what you're saying is true, then your wife does not want to be with you. Your wife is the one laying down all the terms of your relationship... you're always accessible to her, she's never there for you. You take the kids when she wants to go get drunk. You pack up her stuff for her. You agreed to switch jobs to one with a schedule that would accommodate HER job. I mean... come on, man. This woman has your balls in a vice grip. Are you getting anything at all out of this relationship? Maybe you're only telling us the negatives, but from where we're sitting, it looks like you're just being stupid by refusing to see the truth.

Talk to your lawyer, get things in writing, sign papers, get the process moving. If things stay on course, the day will not be long before she comes to you and says that either she has met someone else, or that she wants to sever the connection completely. The best thing you can do at that point is reach into your briefcase and hand her the papers, already documented, already signed. You need to be the one to take the first move. She already dictates the terms of the marriage... if you let her dictate the terms of the divorce too, you'll be working three jobs and eating ramen until your kids are 18.

Well she is now planning on a trip out of town with some "friends" on the weekend. which is her only time she works, so there is got to be a good reason for her to be going, like some guy. Well unfortunatly it looks like this thing is over. I guess its time to get lawyers involved.

As for only telling you the negatives, well to be honest I tried come up with positives about her and all I got was that she was my kids mother and she was my wife, those were about the only things about her I like right now.

The frustrating thing about her going away for the weekend is that I asked her for some help cause I did not do very well the last time I was by myself with the kids for the weekend and I just wanted a little help. She said it would be fine and then all of a sudden she is going to give up all her shifts to go away for the weekend. Oh well I guess I will just have that girl over for the weekend instead.

Phyzix.. She is using you plain and simple. My assumption is because you are such a nice guy that she feels she can get away with it. Also, it seems like she goes out of her way to hurt you to make herself feel better.

1) Get a lawyer. FIGHT tooth and nail for custody, and I mean FIGHT DIRTY. If you get custody, she has to pay child support. That is a win/win for you.
2) Immerse yourself in your child. Don't think of her as a painful reminder of what could/should have been, think of her as part of your support. I don't know about you, but when I hold my son NOTHING is wrong in the world.
3) Don't be used any longer. If you need help with your child ask your parents. They have been there, done that. Nobody loves children like grandparents. BTW, while the first couple of times can seem daunting, once you have a routine for your daughter is gets 100 times easier.

Keep your chin up and and put your back to this whole situation. It is time to move on. Your ex seems to get off on playing with your emotions, and you are allowing this to happen. DON"T.

Couldn't have said it better myself. If your parents don't live close, try to find another support net that doesn't include her.

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Okay, so I wrote something else based on stuff you wrote in post 30-something but changed my whole post because a lot has happened to you. And I am really sorry for you--it's about as shitty as it gets. Whoever said you're a great guy in a meat grinder was spot on.

Some advice:

1) Get on the divorce papers. And get the children. You are a responsible forward-thinking guy with a drive to succeed. And your children need a role model like that in their lives. You have a great set of parents and a great support network. The offer is out there for your mom to care for her grandkids. Take her up on it. Your two daughters (?) are the most important thing in the world, not something to stick with each other as a punishment. You mentioned wanting to love and protect them--this is how to do it.

2) Don't hook up with anyone until all this is over. If you get caught or word gets back to her that you're with someone that will come back to haunt you in the divorce. (Unless OK is a no-fault state...) Even if OK is, if you want the kids, you want to be as squeeky clean as you can be. She's already admitted to you, your sister, her sister and who knows who else that she's after other guys, doesn't want to be with you, etc. She moved out on you. She left. That's a strong legal position to be in. It's less strong to ALSO be guilty of breaking your marriage vows.

3) Work on this coffee shop idea. Put your energy into it. It will give you something to do to occupy your brain and will give you something completely your own when you're done. When you start to lose motivation, think about how she said she didn't like you because you didn't go to college and couldn't keep a job (big words for someone still in school, btw)--use your anger to motivate you to prove her wrong. Make sure you research the market in the area you want to start your business in. A little shop opened up right next to my office just outside of the downtown core of Denver and they are going gangbusters. They set up free wireless internet access and there are ALWAYS people in there. And it's a tiny place with maybe 5-6 tables and chairs. They managed to get into a space in the bottom of a new loft building and they have built-in clients. Another shop 4 blocks away changes hands and goes out of business every 4-6 months because they are on a one-way, 4-lane street with crap visibility. And by the way, the tilting tables sound like a great idea--think about a rim or a little indent to allow the people to rest their pencils/brushes there. Try the local vocational school or community college and see if you can get a fabrication class to build them. Gives them a project and you'll get a custom table for WAY less $$$$.

Okay...this post is getting out of hand.

You're a REALLY strong person in a really shitty place and I admire the heck out of you for owning up to the maturity required as a husband and a parent. It's too bad your child-bride couldn't see what she had. Her loss. Someone else will.

I live with my parents. The only thing about getting full custody is having to take care of them all by myself, without her help anyway. I cannot rely on my parents for very long. I just don't know if I could do it. I want to be that 21 year old that goes out to bars too ya know? I was only 21 when I met her, and i did not get it all out of my system either I don't think. So having to kids all on my own is something I don't know if I can handle. Also taking them away from their mother may not be the best thing for them either, no matter how much I want to make her suffer or whatever. So I think that for now this is just going to have to be the way its gonna be.

Get this, she is thinking about quitting her job at the bar and she wants to get a job where I am working vause it pays well. She asked if it would be to weird, and I did not really care cause I think she is going to be better off here then there, but i think it might get weird if she finds a boyfriend here or something. I would hate to loose my job for kicking someones ass.

That-fucking-bitch
I dont even want touch on that.


But it just hit me that (from my uneducated opinion) it seems like this forum thread would be great court evidence against her. A few pages of Clear, dated documentation of everything she has been putting you through on a day by day basis, what more could you ask for?

Phyzix.. You seem like a really nice guy, so I am going to be real blunt here.

1) By having kids at this stage in your life you will never be the 21 year old kid that goes out and gets hammered. You signed that right away the second your child/children were born. This isn't tough love, and I am not trying to be a dick. Face facts.. Your main responsibility is to your children/child. If your parents can watch the kids (prearrange this) then go have fun. Otherwise, YOUR ONLY responsibility is to them. You should have thought that you can't handle kids before you did the horizontal shuffle. Too late pal, YOU HAVE TO HANDLE THEM NOW.
2) WAKE THE FUCK UP! I know you love this girl, but EVERYONE else that has replied has told you she is the anti-christ. If you want to give her your sack and whipped and cuckolded for the rest of your life stay with her. If you want to have a healthy relationship and mental state, RUN LIKE YOUR BALL HAIRS ARE ON FIRE.
3) File for divorce, state her comments about not loving you and going after other guys as the reason the marriage is disolving. Fight for custody of the kids. You sound like you are the responsible one, so take your kids. By the sounds of this woman, taking the kids away from the mother IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO. Adoption is your only other choice.
4) DO NOT LET HER GET A JOB WHERE YOU ARE. She is trying to torture you or control you. Either way this is bad.

Man, I am not trying to be a dick, but by the tone of your emails you just don't seem to get it. I understand fully that emotions can clog your rational thought processes, and that is why I am being as blunt as I can.

fucking ditto.

If they can fit, bring your children into bed with you. A) You can sleep B) when she comes home, she can't sneak into bed; she'll have to sleep somewhere else. This may also make her feel like she's been replaced.

I understand that I can't be out drinking anymore, but that still does not keep me from wanting to.

As for me not being aware, well I think that since I have said all of the negative things about her you all can't really appreciate what all is going on. I can't just run off without trying to keep this together I would be no better then she if I did that.

As for getting full custody of the kids, well I don't think that is what I need to do, she is not going to abuse the kids and when she has them she is good with them and takes care of them. Taking the kids away from their mother is bad on so many levels. Ask about any therapist, unless there is extenuating circumstances, the appearence of normality is best.

As for the job thing, well I should have kept my mouth shut, but a few weeks ago when I was applying I said that she should come apply there also. So she is just taking my advice. She also asked me if it was alright, and I did not want to sound like an immature ass and tell her no.

I realize now that divorce is comeing, the problem now is the money and how long its gonna take. We don't have any stuff so I think we can both use the same attorney. As for custody, I think we should share untill one of us has a stable career and or gets married again.

I am just ready to move on and find someone else now. Get this behind me and get on with life. I just don't want to make a mistake that I will be regreting for the rest of my life.

I dont think you have been completely blind to what has been happening to you, and there is nothing wrong with doing what you can to keep your marriage.

But she has crossed so many lines (and crossed them by so far) that I dont see any way this marriage can be recovered with you keeping your dignity. She doesn't respect you. Plain and simple. She probably used to, and she probably still pretends that she does whenever she finds it profitable, but her actions prove that she just doesn't respect you.

Its good you can see that divorce is on the horizon. And I think the logs you've been keeping of your side of the story (on tilted) will give you a lot of power in court. Tell me, does she have any idea this thread exists?




Heres some simple NLP that may help you move forward. Find the silver lining to all these dark clouds, even if it seems like the most pathetic reaching shread of a silver lining ever. Then focus on that one good thing until the whole situation is equal to that one thing.

(As an example here's how I'm dealing with the outcome of the election: Instead of curling up in a ball on the floor, grasping my stomach in screaming in agony at thought of Bush being relected, I just reframe my view of it. I say to myself that it's good that Bush won because it means he is now stuck either having to clean up the mess he made in his first term or he will go down in history as being the irresponsible goon that he is.)

So start focusing on what this divorce really means in the long run:
You will find a new hottie to replace that hurtful succubus, and you will be so over her. Your new chick will totally be an upgrade, smarter, more responsible, better looking, more fun in bed. (You dont believe me? just wait) You will be starting over in your life, and going in whole new directions.

Imagine yourself in 5 years. You are free. Free from all this confusion, free from all this depression and free from this huge mess in your life. You are no longer bankrupt. You have found a decently comfortable job (or even have your own business going). You come home early to shag your new lady who you just think is the coolest girl you've ever met. Then you pick up your kids from school watch them naively engage in their kidly activities.

Then your ex wife comes over. She sees your new woman, house, car and how happy the kids are to be not cramped in her sisters apartment or visiting some shithead guy who happens to be tall and skinny. As she leaves you quietly laugh. You know that she knows she made a huge mistake not being happy with what she had so she lost it. And you are so comfortable in this new life that you would never want go back to being with her, dealing with that crap, in a million years. And you think about how glad you are that you conciously made the descision to move forward. You could have settled in an insecure relationship with someone who wouldnt respect you and tried to force it to last, dealing with endless problems and never being really satisfied. But instead you were strong and made a new life for yourself.

And then you can realize that this is what the divorce really means. The rocky struggle you see yourself up against right now is only a miniscule part of it. This divorce is your chance to goto that place of freedom.

Wasting time worrying about how to hurt your ex is lame. Just put your life together and move on.

that really pisses me off... idiot.
Well we have rules at tilted and ill try not to flame you, no matter how much I want to.

Dont be ignorant and think that its about hurting your ex wife. The point is to visualize your life being better after this is over. Visualize yourself being happy in the future and proud of your descisions.

Forming these images in your mind will help you to have direction and not feel so lost. Its about you forming the conscious descision and putting conscious effort into moving forward towards a happy future you have imagined.

dont be a dick and ruin it. (god thats so infurating)

No its cool, I sometimes do think about how good it will be in the future. Its just before she was always in those dreams.


So get this. She shows up to pick up the kids today and I ask her how things were and she kinds laughed and said they were good. Later I asked if she had to drive her car (out to eufala springs) and she said that she went up there on a motorcycle. Which pisses me off cause one, she is hanging on some guy the intire time, and second she has always told me how much she likes guys on motorcycles and that once before we were married she gave head to 2 guys one night cause they both rode bikes. So needless to say that kinda pissed me off.
As she was leaving I asked her if I should just get an attorney. She said something like "already??" I just said I was tired of being married to a whore. I said I deserve better and if she wants to go fuck guys then she won't be doing it as my wife.

So yeah, now I am kinda depressed. So thinking about the future is really the only thing that can keep me going. The only problem is the uncertainty.

You're a good man Phyzix. Just don't give up and things are going to get better :) :thumbsup:

I've been reading this thread for a while but never said anything. This is very sad...but even though I don't know both perspectives of the matter, this woman doesn't respect you, it's a fact. She seems to be playing with you...or she's really messed up. You need to choose what will make you and your kids happiest in the long run. Sounds to me like it's time to get out...good luck to you.

I've been following this thread and I really feel for you. You've gotten a lot of good advice but of course you're in the middle of it and your world is spinning around like mad so its hard for you to move forward. Perfectly understandable. Its clear you love this woman and at one time things were pretty great. Unfortunatly that time appears to be over. I have to agree with what others have said, its time to move on. In fact perhaps the shock of you taking the initiative, getting a lawyer and starting the process will knock a little reality into your wife. Right now divorce is only a concept for her, something that might happen in some foggy future. She can play and live in her fantasy world while keeping you around and feeling safe. If suddenly things go south she can run back to you while she gets on her feet and she is still free to run off again and play. The fact that she said "already?!" when you asked about the divorce attorney shows this. Get the attorney. Do it. Then she will know you are serious. Right now its just words and she's having too much fun to deal with it. Get the attorney and make her face the reality of the situation SHE has created. You'll both be better for it. Either you will sit down and start working on the marriage in a serious, positive manner or it will be over. Either way you will have moved forward and healing can begin. Take charge of your destiny, take charge of your life. I wish you the very best of luck.

It's hard to deal with someone you care about or cared for, intentionally trying to hurt you, but she that is exactly what she is trying to do. The things that she has said to you are just plain mean and wrong.

After being married, she knows how to hit you where it hurts. It’s difficult, but try to play the cool cucumber and don’t let her have the satisfaction of an emotional response. So far you have talked to her about your feelings and she has walked all over them. Try not to ask loaded questions about how she is doing or what she has been doing, as it seems she is using them as an opportunity to strike out at you emotionally.

You sound like a good guy stuck in a bad situation and things will eventually pan out. Take everyone’s advice and talk to an attorney. Right now it sounds as though she has your balls in a vise and it is time you take them back.

I am SO happy you said that to her. What was her response to that?

My advice is to get the attourney. It's sad but you will recover, and meet someone wonderful. Have faith, there a million more appreciative women out there, looking for a partner.

Well we talked again today and she told me she has done some looking into a lawyer and everything. I told her that I am not contesting anything so we can both use the same attorney if one at all. We could do the paperwork ourselves. The kids will be in joint custody with me being the primary. I told her she had to pay for everything cause I was not the one that wanted this to happen in the first place. She acted rather pissy, but it was because of the money issue. We talked about the fact that there is a 60 day waiting period and I asked her if she was at all interested in seeing a councilor. She said that she was no longer intersted and that she would just be wasting my time and money. She has no desire to try and make things work. And then accused me of not trying to keep our marriage together. (after I said she was going to pay for it all cause she was the one that left and wants nothing to do with getting back together.) So I just laughed and she got upset and said something about me always being a cerntain way and then said she was hanging up. Sooo, one would think that instead of just hanging up the phone that she would try and work out our differences by talking about them. But no she would rather just get upset and walk away from any confrontations. Its the same shit I have been dealing with with her for years. I was talking to the girl that I hooked up with, and I said something that I did not realize untill just recently. But even if she were to apologize and want to come back, that I probably would not take her cause I really don't like her personality and her attitude. I always put up with them, but I never liked it. Now I can find someone that I will have a good connection with that is exactly what I want in a partner.

So things are over, now I just have to get a decent lawyer and finish this shit. I just wonder how long it is going to take to get into another serious relationship? and how will this one effect my future relationships?

sorry for spelling, I am not rereading this, I am at work

Take some time to heal man. Been there done that, got the t-shirt. Life doesnt get easier, I only learn how to deal with it better.

We all learn hard lessons from time to time. At least you'll know some qualities in a woman to avoid in the future. Things will work out and it sounds like you've got the right attitude now.

Be patient...it's easy to fall into another bad situation.

I've been reading this thread from post one and, man, do I feel for you. You're doing yourself a favor by divorcing her. By the looks of it, you would be a lot happier with somebody who you can connect more. Also a good thing that you've got primary custody of the kids. They need a parent they can depend on. Good luck with everything.

Hey everybody, (just wrote that thinking about simpsons's doctor whats his name.) Anyway I just want to thank everyone that has given me advice and support. It means alot even though we don't know each other.

I still will be keeping everyone updated till we do finally get divorced. thanks

Take care of your kids, if you only do one thing with your life.

It sounds like you can find another woman to love, but you can never find a child who will love you like the ones you have now.

Sometimes a man has got to put up with the s**t and do what is right. Don't let your kids get hurt by your wife's actions, they are not to blame.

My daughter is my mountain. Whatever happens between myself and my wife, I will take care of her because she is my blood.

Sounds like your wife wants her proverbial cake. And she doesn't sound the level-headed one of the two of you.

Divorce her and sue for custody and support. Protect your children. Live your life.

Fight.

Amen. Forget her and her demeaning conduct toward you.

Focus on the kids. You've got primary: Great! Now focus on them. I can tell you from my own experience that when a Dad gets through the divorce and puts the kids first, they know it, and will love you more for it. My son is now 20, and I can tell you that he fully understands and appreciates how I put him first, over and over and over. Now he goes out of his way to come home, hang out on holidays, call when he's far away, etc.

Serve her ass with those papers, and take the kids to McDonalds Play Land on a Friday night and hook up with lonely single moms who are there with the kids. Have some fun!

Good luck!

One more thing: a good friend of mine says "My wealth is in my children." Keep your eye on your wealth. There is nothing the ex can do to you except through those kids. Don't let her.

God it pisses me off when women act like this. We have it hard enough - and then some of them act like shitheadsand abandon their kids for their own selfish desires. You and your kids need her and she is off gettin pissed and kissing random men- and other shite. I am glad you dumped the *$%@.
*deep breath*

My point being - she is immature. The only one (I acknowladge that this is only your side of the story) who is taking responsability here is you. It is your WIFE's responsability to be a good mother, and you can not be mother and father. Your focuse is to be a good and supportive father at the moment. You can not control this person who is pretending to be an adult.

*mini rant* - this "finding" yourself bullshit is so maddening. She gave up years of her life when she had sex and became pregnant. Whatever it is that she really wants is not in the stars for her - she should accept that - and accept her responsabilities.

Honestly I feel the most for your children. They see mommy and daddy being stressed and that is what they learn to be normal behavior. Remember what you say and do - Childeren will listen, and learn.

Be the good father - the good mother will find you, and will want to be apart of your life. In the mean time - LIVE your life.

Hi Dr. Nick! :lol: