lucidity

There is nothing more unsexy that seeing a girl *not wet at all* or not wet naturally in porn. I mean, you can tell when they're using lubed condoms or personal lube aids. Does anyone else feel this way, or has noticed said tragedy? Faking orgasms or even arousal is just not sexy at all.

Perhaps it's rough for a girl to get aroused all the time as a profession? I dunno, I thought that perhaps job compatability would be important here. In order to be a porn girl, you should enjoy sex. Unfortunately, I think it's more about looks than anything I guess. Perhaps men don't take the time to even notice a woman's arousal? It's all just BJ scenes & facials?

I'd like to see some men & women alike weigh in on this one.

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Averett

It's porn. It's not real. That's why some men think it only takes so much to get a woman ready to go, cause hell, they saw it that way in a porno so that's how it must be!

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brianna

as a fairly porn friendly woman I have been continuously annoyed with the lack of believability in most main stream porn. The truth in not only do most men who watch porn not care if the girl is enjoying herself, they can't tell one way or the other.

nanofever

If only someone in the porn industry posted on this board and could provide some insight on the topic...

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Averett

Now how could we get somebody in the porn industry here? Hmm... if only...

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Strange Famous

I havent seen a lot of porn, but I agree with you - although maybe not so graphically!

It is very unsexy when the girl doesnt look like she is enjoying it, its just a pointless display of flesh, and it is arousing for about 5 seconds and then it is also just flesh and silicone and hair dye.

I dont understand why so many girls get hired to do porn when they have had so much plastic sugery, I guess other people must be into that look, for me - the only way I could enjoy porn is watching two people (2 girls or girl/guy) genuinely gettting off - and into each other, or at least into the moment. Not some girl with fake breasts and fake lips and dead eyes bouncing up and down on some guy and looking like she is suicide.

I saw some pics linked here of a girl called Tera Patrick, and she was really beautiful, and then she got her boobs done (she was like a D cup already) and now she looks like a total freak - why do people do stuff like that to themselves?

A lot of people prolly think porno is a really easy way to make money, but I doubt it is an easy way to be - one time on the net I found a site listing dead porn stars, there were literally about 1000, a lot through AIDS, and there were 100's of suicides and overdoses too... and thats the problem, the sadness and pain just overtakes any idea that it could be sexy in most of what I have seen.

ok, rant over!

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Averett

Well... how many people are going to watch porn with regular every day people? Not many. People want to watch the "beautiful" people having sex. For a women to make it in the porn industry she's gotta have the fake breasts and fake hair and a shit load of makeup. She's gotta compete with all those other blond Barbie types out there.

Porn has to be taken with a grain of salt. Just keep saying to yourself "this isnt real. This isn't how it's really done. Real people aren't like this." Then you'll be okay

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gibingus

if your definition of "not many" is 1.6 million people a day, then i'd say you might be right. that's how many unique vists www.voyeurweb.com gets every day. that is one huge swinging online community that loves to ogle and dingle each other, all real, all amateur, all original, all user supplied. their paid sections are more hardcore. and don't try to tell anyone there they aren't "beautiful" - they are very supportive of each other.

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lucidity

I am aware of the fact that porn plays to it's target audiences fantasies (mainly men). I know it goes for barbie beauty. I know that in most porn shops you will see more movies surrounding the 'typical male's fantasy' -les, 3some, BJ.

I guess what I'm trying to get at is, are there any people who simply like to see pure pleasure (over plastic just going through the motions)? I thought that was what a big bene of porn was, but hey... that's just my personal spin on it. I am a woman, an obvious minority in the porn viewing industry.

I enjoy more 'natural' women. That's just a preferance but, I can enjoy *any* woman as long as she enjoys herself and sex. That is hard to come by in the porn I've seen.

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Strange Famous

I mean, for a start,,, please dont advertise pay sites here man. And I agree, personally, I would be more interested in porn if I thought the person in it was hott, but also I wouldnt want to watch it if the girl didnt look like she was enjoying it, and I dont think collagen pumped lips and basketball shaped boobies are that hott either.

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Holo

I read an article in AVN IIRC where Ron Jeremy talked about being in a foreign film with a couple American girl stars And the Euro girls said, "I'm here to have fun" and the US girls said "I'm here to get paid." Perhaps you should try some Euro porn...I've got some and it seems a lot less fake and the women seem to be into it a lot more. It just depends on waht you get and the star. Gwen Summers is very real in Sensually Haunted, Chloe is real in every film she's in (she's the fisting girl with Alisha Klass in the famous clips on the net). Kelly, an English girl who does films with Rocco, insists on being into it or she won't do that shoot at all. A lot of Rocco's girls in his films appear very into it as well. You just gotta find the right stars.

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Aladdin Sane

Strange Famous I couldn't agree with you more. And with the boom in amateur porn I think lots of other people do to.

I want the women to look like the girl next door (who is often sexy and beautiful), not some hair and makeup bimbo who fakes orgasms.

One of my favs is watching real women get off on the Sybian.

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Zegel

Yeah, there are some really good amateur sybian videos out there. Atleast, they seem pretty realistic, which is a major turn on for me =P. It's such a mood killer when you see something in a girls eyes that lets you know they're totally not into it, and that happens a lot in normal porn.

zfleebin

Maybe if the porn actors could get hard enough to satisfy the women they could get excited about it. I mean its pretty sad when you see these guys screwing really hot chicks but they cant get it up. And whats even worse is when they are like oh damn cant get it up then they smack it against the girls cheek or ass or just shake it real good. I am amazed at how much of that I see in quality porn.

nanofever

Voyeurweb is the best for porn, no hyperbole, the absolute best. The top10 winners are some of the hottest people I have ever seen. and I consider my self a porn scholar so that is a gigantic acchievement.

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Spanky Johnson

Absolutely agree. Of course, there are a few pros who "fake" on the Sybian as well. But it seems that the proportion of Sybian vids where you get to see some real reactions is much higher than for porn in general.

One reason I've heard for all the plastic surgery is that many of the girls are dancers on the dance circuit, and mostly do movies to promote their dance careers -- guys see them in videos and so will pay to go see them live at strip clubs. Unfortunately, from what I've heard most artificially "enhanced" women command higher fees at strip clubs than those with natural breasts. I can't imagine why...I lose interest every time I see a pair of those bolt-on monstrosities.

Yeah, but it's not really that meaningful unless you compare the rate of suicides and overdoses to those of the general population. After all, it doesn't just happen in porn.

lucidity

Holo- Good suggestion on the Euro porn. I'm also quite fetish/BDSM friendly and it's hard to find dramatics in those as well.

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SiN

+1 on the Europorn suggestion

Some of it is really good, I particularly fancy the French stuff.

...and regarding the thread, I dunno...dare I say I don't reeallly analyze whether or not the chick(s) are enjoying it?
(for the record, i *do* notise if they _obviously_ do not enjoy it..)

Generally, unless something is amiss, I'm just notising the attractiveness of the female(s) involved (preferably without implants, but i guess if the implants are smallish..sure, whatever)
...and whether the sex is 'good' - more about what they are doing than the extent of their enjoyment doing it.

*shrug*

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tfin

Back in the day the x and I would rent porn every so often. We have seen a bunch of good stuff and bad stuff too. It got to a point where if there were over 50% fake tits on the cover I would just put it back. Just from what I have seen the natural breasted women LOOK like they are enjoying it more and to us that counted. I don't really mind if lube, or condoms or what ever is used, I just wanted it to look more like real people enjoying sex.

The x once asked me why I had such a thing against plastic women. My reason was that with my credit limit I could make any chick look like Pam Anderson or any famous porn star. Being plastic is just being like every one else. If I had wanted fake tits, fake lips, fake ass I would have just bought a Real Doll. What I liked was each womens real individual body.

Whoops, end rant.

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doncalypso

This is a very interesting topic. The wasy I see it, mainstream porno nowadays just sucks, and I prefer to watch amateur porn because it's much more real (or at least it seems to be so to me).

Professional porn actresses don't turn me on anymore because their breasts are fake, the often have fake tans and collagen-injected lips, and worst of all, they always seem to fake orgasms when it's obvious the guys can't really do much to please them in the first place.

I think I'll take the advice to go for European porn since it seems like these women are more into it.

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illesturban

i could care less; it gets me off for sure... she could be faking it til the cows come home, but my ass is gonna be feelin good in the end. haha. yeah man I'd have to say most porn is fake but I mean... it's porn, it's all about the visual.

mtsgsd

Maybe, but if the woman is clearly just waiting for the scene to be over I just can't be interested. Have to agree about the dry comment too. That just looks to painfull. I always wonder how they're doing it. Amateur stuff seems to be the only way to go.

skysooner

I haven't watched porn in a while although I do own some videos from a few years ago. I get off more from simple things like seeing a girl do a strip-tease rather than the wham bam stuff that you see in porno these days. They don't make stuff like "Behind the Green Door" anymore.

motdakasha

the occupation professional pornstar is very physically straining and it's sexist to boot. you're a man and you want to be a pornstar? first you gotta fit all of the physical requirements, you gotta be able to pop a boner on cue, and cum when they tell you to, then be able to do that like 20 times in one day, only to do it all over again the next day. if you can make the cut, then you're paid 1/10 of what a female first-timer would get. professional men get fluffers.

women in the US are typically in it because of the money/they're desperate. some of the more famous ones, like Asia C. and Jenna J., are able to do it for pleasure. so not only do they have to have sex with men they're probably not interested in, but they don't get fluffers like men do and they're expected to get right into it when typically speaking, women need more preparation than men ever would. at least they get paid exponentially more than men.

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skier

It's not just about the girls though. We all think "oh how much fun it would be to be a porn star", but I recently watched a porn movie where this girl is to be gangbanged by 250 or her luckiest fans. None of them could get it up!!! She was wet, and wanted to be fucked and was working so hard to get these guys horny but it was so bad they had to repeat some scenes by the end of it to get the full movie! I never thought it before, but by the end I wished that some guy would actually get hardcore on her ass. Ron jeremy was tehre to save the day however, while these other guys just ended up circle jerking around her.

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Lunchbox7

I totally agree. I have always wondered why guys get paid so much less when the physical requirements are so much higher. Lets face it, all a female pornstar has to do is be there. She doesnt need to be turned on. Most of the time they just lie there and take it. Most of the porn stars arent even that good looking. Basically there real work is to suck a guy off at first and then close their eyes when the cum hits their face. For christs sake mos tof them cant even pretend they are enjoying it. Most of them look as if they are repulsed by this guy blowing on their face. On top of the almost superhuman abilities that Motdakasha has pointed out then the male porn stars have to have a massive cock. Considering that 1/100000 guys have a 8 inch penis or bigger the chances of a guy having all these attributes would be pretty rare. You would think guys would get paid more to compensate for this but apparently this is not so. Does anyone have any theories why?

motdakasha

I wasn't saying any one gender should get paid more than the other. They both have unrealistically high standards as far as professional porn, lower standards for amateur. While guys have to have massive cocks and super sex powers, girls have to have anorexically skinny, but toned abs and tits bigger than their heads.
My point about women who just lay there and take it was that it's unfair to them because they have no prep, so they're obviously not going to enjoy it. If you're a girl, imagine sex with no foreplay. If you're a guy, imagine anal sex with no lube (meaning the guy is receiving). It's not fun, how could you expect them to be able to pretend they're even enjoying themselves?

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digme

this is why watching amateur porn is so great. the camera work may not be all that great, but they usually make up for it with enthusiasm