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Crazy/Beautiful · 12-04-2003, 06:27 AM

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Originally posted by RAGEAngel9
JadziaDax
You just went from what seemed like a decent example with a point to a Lifetime movie plotline.
A pillow?
Screaming out?(which wasn't actually in your little story)

That was really rude!

Bloodslick · 12-04-2003, 07:40 AM

This thread makes me so sad. I can imagine everything that's been talked about or suggested happening: wrongful prosecutions, attention-whores bringing false charges, people feeling that their lives have been forever tainted because of things that most likely took no more time than the average television show. Humanity's lack of ability to communicate and to explore their emotions before acting, in fact, makes me want to strike everyone down. Everyone.

Sorry, but the only opinion that the thread brings forth in me is that we should all snuff it.

Seaver · 12-05-2003, 01:59 AM

That Bob/Michelle story was rape. It was rape at the exact instant that he forceably stopped her from screaming with the pillow.

Lets face it, girls say "no" and "stop" all the time, but most of the time it is in a gentile tone which usually means "not right now." Call me whatever you want, but in that story it was not until he used physcial means was it rape.

Would you really be turned on by a guy who asks if he can kiss you? then if he can touch your breast? then asks if he can.... The simple answer is no, you wouldnt, it'd take away from everything.

Yes, she said "no" and "stop." But her physical actions implied something else. Yes she withdrew but it didnt stop from her kissing him, which implied something else.

I'm sorry you may have felt like you were raped if the guy kept pestering you. It was not rape. He's a dick, but he's not a rapist. Rape is forced.

rape ( P ) Pronunciation Key (rp)
n.
1)The crime of forcing another person to submit to sex acts, especially sexual intercourse.
2)The act of seizing and carrying off by force; abduction.

Definitions are key, in the definition I found it said nothing about deception. This is where we differ. A woman whom I dont wish to have sex with can pester me until the end of time it wont change my decision. It's simple to me, if she chains me down and has her way it's rape. If I break down and agree it's a bad decision.

Sparhawk · 12-05-2003, 04:56 AM

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Originally posted by Seaver
Lets face it, girls say "no" and "stop" all the time, but most of the time it is in a gentile tone which usually means "not right now." Call me whatever you want, but in that story it was not until he used physcial means was it rape.

What part of 'No, Stop!' don't you understand? It is a relatively simple concept, why do so many people have trouble understanding it?

RAGEAngel9 · 12-05-2003, 05:21 AM

http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/showthr...threadid=36819

Ok so "No means No" is supposed to be the basic thing with sex and rape and stuff. Of course then you get the advice in the topic to the link above, where "No means be careful". So once again the line is blurred. Dammit we need mind readers. Maybe Minority Report wasn't such a bad idea.

Screw it. I declare myself King of Earth. Everyone else... Off the planet, you're not welcome anymore.

cheerios · 12-05-2003, 10:45 AM

thats not what that thread says at all, RAGEAngel... most of the advise there is "don't sound silly by actually ASKING straight up." it DOES however also say "if she want's to stop, she'll let you know." Women don't have to explicitly give permission, as in "Chris, I hereby sign this noterized form allowing you to have sex with me on May the third between the hours of 10 pm and 11:59 pm." It's just not practical. but if you expect us to be able to casually agree, via "silence", then shouldn't we also be able to say no, via non-verbal cues? If I take your hand out of my pants and push you away, yeah, I probably don't want your hand there. and if I don't want your hand there, I guarantee I dont' want anything else there. That should be a pretty fuckin' clear signal.

Jedbeck · 12-05-2003, 11:07 AM

Rape and consent will always be one of those he said/she said matters. People always interpret things in different ways. Unless everything is talked about in a clear cut manner before anything is done there will always be some gray area in sex. However, this does not make forcing someone into sex, either physically or emotionally, all right.

12-04-2003, 07:40 AM	#42 (permalink)
Bloodslick Loser Location: a darkened back alley	This thread makes me so sad. I can imagine everything that's been talked about or suggested happening: wrongful prosecutions, attention-whores bringing false charges, people feeling that their lives have been forever tainted because of things that most likely took no more time than the average television show. Humanity's lack of ability to communicate and to explore their emotions before acting, in fact, makes me want to strike everyone down. Everyone. Sorry, but the only opinion that the thread brings forth in me is that we should all snuff it.

12-05-2003, 01:59 AM	#43 (permalink)
Seaver Junkie Location: Fort Worth, TX	That Bob/Michelle story was rape. It was rape at the exact instant that he forceably stopped her from screaming with the pillow. Lets face it, girls say "no" and "stop" all the time, but most of the time it is in a gentile tone which usually means "not right now." Call me whatever you want, but in that story it was not until he used physcial means was it rape. Would you really be turned on by a guy who asks if he can kiss you? then if he can touch your breast? then asks if he can.... The simple answer is no, you wouldnt, it'd take away from everything. Yes, she said "no" and "stop." But her physical actions implied something else. Yes she withdrew but it didnt stop from her kissing him, which implied something else. I'm sorry you may have felt like you were raped if the guy kept pestering you. It was not rape. He's a dick, but he's not a rapist. Rape is forced. rape ( P ) Pronunciation Key (rp) n. 1)The crime of forcing another person to submit to sex acts, especially sexual intercourse. 2)The act of seizing and carrying off by force; abduction. Definitions are key, in the definition I found it said nothing about deception. This is where we differ. A woman whom I dont wish to have sex with can pester me until the end of time it wont change my decision. It's simple to me, if she chains me down and has her way it's rape. If I break down and agree it's a bad decision.

12-05-2003, 05:21 AM	#45 (permalink)
RAGEAngel9 Insane Location: Vermont	http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/showthr...threadid=36819 Ok so "No means No" is supposed to be the basic thing with sex and rape and stuff. Of course then you get the advice in the topic to the link above, where "No means be careful". So once again the line is blurred. Dammit we need mind readers. Maybe Minority Report wasn't such a bad idea. Screw it. I declare myself King of Earth. Everyone else... Off the planet, you're not welcome anymore.

12-05-2003, 10:45 AM	#46 (permalink)
cheerios Banned Location: 'bout 2 feet from my iMac	thats not what that thread says at all, RAGEAngel... most of the advise there is "don't sound silly by actually ASKING straight up." it DOES however also say "if she want's to stop, she'll let you know." Women don't have to explicitly give permission, as in "Chris, I hereby sign this noterized form allowing you to have sex with me on May the third between the hours of 10 pm and 11:59 pm." It's just not practical. but if you expect us to be able to casually agree, via "silence", then shouldn't we also be able to say no, via non-verbal cues? If I take your hand out of my pants and push you away, yeah, I probably don't want your hand there. and if I don't want your hand there, I guarantee I dont' want anything else there. That should be a pretty fuckin' clear signal.

12-05-2003, 11:07 AM	#47 (permalink)
Jedbeck Crazy Location: Ohio, USA	Rape and consent will always be one of those he said/she said matters. People always interpret things in different ways. Unless everything is talked about in a clear cut manner before anything is done there will always be some gray area in sex. However, this does not make forcing someone into sex, either physically or emotionally, all right.