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Voyeurism
Yesterday at about 10:00am, one of my colleages came into my office and said, "Naked girl behind you. Nice rack." And then walked out of my office.
I puzzled about this for a second, and then turned around. To my surprise, in the apartment complex across the back yard of our office building, in a top-floor window, was a naked girl, standing at a computer desk. Looked like she was scanning something. She had chin-length curly brown hair and big, full tits. Eventually she sat down topless at the computer and did some more work. Needless to say, it was a VERY unproductive half hour around our office, as our 100% male staff enjoyed the show. This morning, many of my guys are getting sore necks from turning around to see if she's back. :D How about you? When have you seen something you weren't (or maybe were!) supposed to see? |
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but I'm just a dirty old man. ;) However, considering I get turned on by almost anything a woman does, her revealing something she normally wouldn't, will definately do it. Being tall, I get more than fair share of peeks of lovely nipplage. :) |
I can't say that I wouldn't spend time looking at a naked woman in a voyueuristic manner...
There have been a few times where I have been presented with access to a view not meant to be afforded me... The best was when a roommate let a firend sleep over in my bed. I was supposed to be away for the weekend but had returned early. It was late and when I entered my room there was a completely naked woman sleeping in my bed... it was a hot summer evening and she had kicked off most of the covers. I stood there for awhile, she kept sleeping, before I tiptoed out and closed the door behind me... I slept on the couch. |
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I was in San Diego about 20 years ago for some training. A woman who was there wore a dress that was open to her navel and no bra. She wasn't doing anything to keep the guys she was with, including myself, get a peek.
Second time was when I was hiking down a trail to the ocean in California. There as a small secluded beach with a couple women swimming topless. |
When I was a kid I had a few experiences of where I shouldn't have been peeking. My mom is a professional seamstress and has a business run out of my folks home. She would bring in her clientele to try on clothes so she could fit them. Well, she would close the door to her sewing room, but there was an open window outside in the alley. At night, when it is difficult to see out a dark window, I would creep around the side of the house to catch a glimpse of the ladies changing in the room. I was surprised to see so many ladies without undies too....what a gift for a young man growing up.
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All great stories, I'm still waiting for my "opportunity". I guess I'm just not paying close enough attention to the people around me.
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the window in my bedroom at home faces behind our house to like 3 houses around us. in one lives a gir only about a year younger than me. more than a few times she's changed in front of the window, hehe.
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I have always been on the look-out for opportunities. I have been awarded many times. Yes, I am a dirty old man too.
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I guess the best I've seen is chicks in mini skirts who forget they're wearing mini skirts :p
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In college we were walking past the girls dorm and saw a bathroom window open. A girl was taking a shower. We stood and watched the whole show start to finish. Also we were unloading a keg at our house which was behind another girls dorm and looked up and saw a girl getting ready to go out. we sat down and watched her get naked and dressed. Best yet- summer 2002 Lake of the ozarks party cove naked girls everywhere. We were partying on a house boat and these girls next to us were having sex with their guys and each other. At one point two girls came up top and put on a muff diving exhibition.
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Jesus you guys are lucky.
The best "voyer" I ever had was some drunk chick at a lake trying to flash my family and I, and she was too drunk to get the padding lifted up anyway. Keep in mind I'm the youngest in the family, and I was 16 at the time. |
sometimes escalator rides provide a bit of a view if you're at the bottom and the short skirt is near the top ;)
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My step fathers niece lived with us for while. She was 17 and of no relation. She would get home late either from working or partying and would take long baths.
Our bathroom had poor ventilation so it always got extremely hot in there. So, on occasion I would sneak out on the back deck and hang out by the bathroom window she inevitably cracked. There was only a small crack to look through and you didn't see much unless you were lucky, but it was enough for a very determined 14 year old to take advantage of. :) I love voyeurism and I'm always on the lookout for an inadvertant glimpse of something that I shouldn't be seeing. :) |
Lucky bastards, all of you. I'm still on the lookout as well!
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The best I've got is a mid 30s professor(decent looking) walking up the stairs, this was the day we found out she didn't wear panties.
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I've been on several camping trips with women who have nothing better to do than drink and flash the goods. It's fun. :D
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I walked past my roommate's door while he was having sex with his girlfriend. She was on top, and he was hidden by his desk so all I could see was her arching her back and her pretty nice rack. The problem is, by this time I hated both of them so much, it pretty much killed any joy I got.
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My friend, joy the show and sell some tickets!
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Short but true story of my DOH! experience.
Many years ago, when i was around 15, me and a friend were walking home from a music festival. We decided to take a short cut through the local woods. We heard some rustling and took a look. We were both shocked to see two young ladies making out, a pure dream for 2 horny young guys. Unfortunately, we were also not the brightest bulbs in the box, and my buddy yelled whoa, or some other burst of stupidness, and they stopped what they were doing, turned and gave us a glare. We both pooped our pants and run away like silly stupid dumb dorks. Why he had to make a noise I dont know. 100% true story. |
I think seeing things you're not supposed to is by far more fun that seeing what you are. Although i have yet to catch a ladeeee unawares, i go through life looking for what i can't, rather than what i should see. So far, i've been rewarded by many lamp-posts, shortly i'll get lucky!!
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When I was staying with a friend. I was playing on his computer in his mom room while he went out to get snacks. She came in and got changed, the whole time I was playing Wolf3d, there was a naked MILF behind me...
Jeez, talk about choosing between gaming and chicks...those were the times... |
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I'm too young to be a dirty old man. Guess that makes me a dirty young man... |
hahaha...i like the fantasy that one day i'll get shown anything. I'm too young to be dirty...How old are ya Rat?
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I've had several opportunities for viewing. Based on the posts so far, I've broken three of them into the categories I've seen above.
1) As a teenager, we had a neighbor whose wife was drop-dead gorgeous. She was also pretty open-minded. They had no kids, but sort of adopted me for the summer. They took me camping and waterskiing. One time while we were swimming, I turned around to see her stand up and lose her bikini top. She just smiled at me at tucked her titties back into the top. Later, I watched her getting ready for bed. She had a great body and I'm convinced the show was unintentional. 2) I worked in the banking industry for about 5 years. At one branch I hired a teller who was a young single woman who had previously worked as a bartender. She had been on the job for about a month when she started wearing leather micro-miniskirts to work. I don't think she ever learned how to pick things up without bending over at the waist. I got great views when her station was in front of my desk (as was normal procedure with a new teller). She wore panties, but they were very sheer. I finally had to fire her because she kept doing it in front of customers (the women complained). She had a great body and I can't believe that she was totally unaware of the show she was giving. 3) The last one was totally intentional and blew me away. When I left the banks, I went to work in insurance sales. I recruited a woman who had been a manager in one of the branches that I oversaw. She was a gorgeous woman with a great personality. The funny thing is that I had never thought of her sexually while working with her in the bank. I never got any peeks because she dressed very conservatively. She showed up for the interview at the insurance office in a see-through blouse without a bra. I'll just say that she didn't need a bra and all of the guys in the office agreed. Unfortunately, she decided not to come to work in the insurance business. It's probably just as well because I had enough trouble making money in that job anyway. :D Over the years, there have been plenty of opportunities for viewing. These were three of the best. But given the opportunity, I'll look again. |
Apologies to the thread starter, but I have to remove my comment, as it was posted by someone else under my name.
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I still remember 6th grade - i was in a social studies class and a girl bent was bent over a table writing on something. She wasn't wearing a bra and i saw everything. The only problem she looked up and caught me. Gave me a dirty look and straigtened up. Oh well.
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I cant help myself trying to sneak a peek at a bit of cleavage. Im jelous of all of your experiences but im still very much on the lookout for my own.
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today's chicks wear some skimpy clothes u can't help catching a look. I've seen heaps of chicks not wearing bras, and twice I've seen chicks at the top of the elevator with short skirts and no panties. My gf would kill me if she saw me looking
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The only experiences I have are from parties where girls put on shows deliberately. It's amazing what free coke will do for some hot chics... Ah... thanks for the mammeries... erm, memories. Mr Mephisto |
I have also had several experiences, some good, so scary.
The first was when I worked for an insurance company in NYC. We were in a scary part of town and across the street was a notorious hooker hotel. There wasn't much action during the day, but there was this one crack whore that would be naked all day and would occassionally comb the lice out of her out the window with her saggy tits flopping around. The second was when I worked for an insurance company in Chicago. I was on the 55th floor across from the Sears tower. Once (only) a woman walked into a side room and hiked her dress up over her head to smooth out her underwear. Hot body, but a bit too far away to see much. The third and still the best time I've had a work. I worked for a clothing retailer. On the way back from getting coffee, I walked past the typical conference room with a bunch of middle aged, middle managers sitting around the table. They were reviewing new dresses that this model was wearing. Just as I passed the room, she ducked behind a partition that was set up. I could see behind the partition through the crack in the door. She would strip off the dress to change into another one. Topless and a tiny white thong. I stayed as long as I could without getting noticed. I also went for coffee every 10 minutes for the next 2 years. Stuff like this is what keeps me working, but I can retire anytime having achieve the pinnacle of workplace nudity with that fashion model. |
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One night my husband (then BF) and I were having sex. At some point, our neighbors came out on their porch and started watching us through our window. One went back inside to make popcorn, while the other ran 2 houses down to see if our other friends wanted to watch. |
It is amazing what you can see just walking around the grocery store, Walmart, or the mall. Sometimes i think the women know whats going on and dress for the occassion. If they didn't want you to look thru the window at them, they would draw the curtains. It's a fun game.
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There's a lady across the way that's like that. She changes in front of open curtains quite a bit. I've seen the top half of her numerous times...we're on a lower lever...she's on a 2nd story. Nice looking woman, too. Long legs, tall, nice hair. She is nice to talk to, besides looking nice. Sometimes I just wonder if she is hoping I'm watching.
On another note, if my wife and I saw a hottie on an escalator with a short skirt and no panties...she'd try to get her to come home with us for a good time! |
Had two good ones:
1 When I was in college I couldn't fall asleep one night till 3 am and I looked out the window (3rd floor) and there was acouple starting to make out in the pool. Her top came off and after a while both of her feet were over the guys shoulder. I was about 75 feet away and couldn't see alot of detail. 2 My across the street neighbors left their shades open and lights on one night. They were both really athletic and put on quite a show. |
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Being the girl that I am, I'm notorious for intentionally doing those kinds of things to guys. I'll use any excuse to catch one staring at my cleavage, or even get them the opportunity to touch my breasts for no apparent reason. At a party just the other night, two of my friends and I were standing around in the kitchen talking about how some water-bras are really convincing and all that. My one friend has almost no breasts and was wearing a padded bra. The other has almost no breasts and was wearing a water-bra. Mine are all na-tu-ral boobs, and often more than a handful. So we called one of our drunk male friends into the room and had him test each set of breasts to figure out which ones were the most real. He says to my friends, "You two have very, very nice bras... Heathyr? You have a very nice set of breasts." Then he goes, "Hi!" and waves to my boyfriend, who was standing ominously behind me. I like to do it to a lot of my guy friends back home... when I know I'm going out with certain ones, I make sure I'm wearing a low-cut top and a bra that doesn't cover up anything at the top. I'm so mean. -+ Ivy +- |
When I was in France I stayed at this hotel onlooking many others...and there were about 4 couples with their windows unobstructed that were going at it.....that was fun needless to say.
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I would always feel a little embarassed if I saw someone in their intimate moment...Though I'm sure it would turn me on a little, if it were two good-looking people.
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How come everyone catches glimpses of members of the opposite sex? Drat my terrible luck. My neighbors have a swimming pool, and the kids are two and four years younger than me. Back when the kids were too young to think it creepy, say the eldest was 14ish, the family would go skinny dipping, as the pool is fenced pretty well. However there is one gap that happens to point right into my back porch where the steps up to the deck are. One day, I am sitting out back and I catch the older boy's backside as he gets out of the pool to dive back in. Bummer. No pun intended but maybe that is where we get the term? lol
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Wouldn't it be great if you were gay, and anytime you had a voyeuristic urge all you had to do is go to the gym's locker room?
It's not fair. :( |
Lemme think back to the first time i saw something,
I must of been like 12 years old and at sleepaway camp and the hottest girl in camp, probably 17 or 18 years old was in the infermary lying down on a bench taking a nap wearing an extreamly low cut shirt. My friend and I went in for something i don't remember and we were told to sit down on the same bench. About a minut later my freind nudged me and pointed, and we could see everything... Needless to say, everyone in our group "felt sick" at one point duing that day... lol wow that was a while ago... |
What I really really need is the power to become invisible. Really need. Wonder if that should go on my Christmas list.
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Once during my college years, we were throwing a party at the house I used to live at. It was already pretty late and I'm looking outside and around the street trying to get away from all the cigarette smoke.
I look up and see a girl and some guy starting to go at it from the window of their house. I wasn't the only one so there was a little group that formed before the thier lights went out and we couldn't see anymore :-/ |
i used to live on cheesman park in denver. my apartment overlooked the park. i was looking out the window and saw a couple making love. i watched and watched. i happened to look down and there was homeless man in the bushes also watching. we both watched until the couple was through. when i looked down at the man in the bushes he was looking up at me. i felt totally repulsed by him. i thought, you creep hiding in the bushes and watching. then as we looked at each other i had total recognition of myself in him. i don't know if many of you know about the shadow sides of ourselves, parts we can't accept in us so we are outraged in others when we see it. it was a true shadow recognition moment.
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The best experiance of this type is one night when my fiancee's cousin was staying at our place for a few days, she was 19 a virgin and not too bad looking. I walked into our living room where I find her setting at the computer desk with her shirt pulled up, and her shorts about half way to her knees as she was going to town fingering herself while talking to someone online....
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When I was about 17, my dad's girlfriend's son's girlfriend was showering in our house, and the way the house was designed there was a vent in the ceiling of the downstairs bathroom and it led to the upstairs bathroom. So she was in there, and I was thinking about it, and then i realized... "Hey, i could sneak a peek if i wanted..." So i did, and it was nice, but i couldnt get the courage to watch for more than a few seconds.
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I have seen tons of things. Of course, most are of the same sex.
There were the countless all girl showers we would have to take on our youth group trips while camping or going cross country. However, I (am so devilish) love the chances I get to be a voyeur myself. I will never wear underwear with short skirts, and though I always wear bras (I might fall over if I didn't) I love showing clevage. Just trying to help you guys out. |
Oh, Rubyee, how I wish you were **anywhere** near me!
I love the voyeur thing, and yet, I've never had any instance of seeing the real thing. Upskirt pics just don't do it for me. :( BB |
While in college, lived in a house with three other guys. At one of our many parties I walked into the bedroom of one of the guys that lived with me to find a couple screwing on his bed. A few other people were there, we all sat on the floor and watched. We had all been drinking, obviously. Was pretty funny actually, especially since the guy was good friend and we got to give him shit about it for weeks.
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I always like it when I'm eating lunch and there is a girl in a short skirt in the dining area. I'll make sure I get a strategic position to maximize my viewing pleasure without having to look like I'm peeking at her. Underwear shots are the best.
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When I was in middle school and the girls were just starting to sprout breasts and look good, I used to love the days where there were volleyball games. They would all wear skirts and, when sitting across from me in class, put on quite the show under the desk.
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What I wonder, and can't fully understand, is why women feel that its creepy and disgusting for a guy to look at a women's charms. Especially if its their fella. It's not just jealousy, they think it's sick.
But guys get a physical pleasure from seeing a woman in a sexual way. We don't have to touch her, or want her. Just see her. And girls, many of them at least, like to be noticed. They wear show off clothing, and sometimes they flash or change in front of a window. But they still think that a guy who looks at their show is a creap. I wish some woman could help me understand this? It always seems like a dichotomy to me. |
I always have the worst luck:
We'll be eating lunch and my co-worker/friend will say, "Dude, check THAT out!" I look over and--too late. The beautiful girl turns to the side. Then he says, "You have the worst luck." No shit, Sherlock. |
Rubyee us and our blue balls thank you!
The best I have is when I was living in the dorm freshman year my roomate used to have his gf sleep over all the time. Well one night I went to sleep and then heard some one leave (well Jayson used to take 45 minute showers) and I looked at the door which had a full length mirror on it and there she is in all her big beautiful breasted glory compltetly topless. I was upset because I knew my gf would be mad at me (I have a terrible conscience and had to tell her) but if it had been now I would have watched until I heard him coming back. I've seen flashers and had other chances but that is the most spontanious one! |
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I was at a concert the other night and there were these two girls (had to be jailbait) in cutoff skirts that must have been made out of cutoff shorts. Sure they were wearing bathing suits underneath, but that doesn't make it any better than if they had only been wearing panties. At least they wore something. My BF and I just laughed.
I usually try to mess with my BF. I love to catch him looking at me when he thinks he's being sly about it. |
I don't know if these count, but in addition to what I posted last year, I've seen many topless women and some nude at Woodstock '94, Woodstock '99, three Ozzfest concerts, beaches in Aruba and in France, and finally in Jamaica when my wife booked us next to the Hedonism resort by mistake.
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I had a good one this weekend at a pool. It was a classic 'woman in untied bikini' sunbathing, who was startled by a very large flying bug. She sat up, swatting at it, and took about 5 seconds to realize that she was no longer covered. The breasts weren't all that much to see, but it was fun anyway.
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I have a few stories to tell.
We have 3 tanning beds so there are alot of visitors during in the Spring. I was in the back getting something and one of the tanners walked out of the room topless because she needed some towels to clean the bed. She just went on by like she didn't even notice me... Another time, I was getting my hair cut and the barber/stylist(whatever she's called) was wearing a button up shirt that had the top 3-4 buttons undone showing some cleavege, She kept bending over the cut my hair, I had no where else to look, I kept trying to look away, but she kept straightening me up so she could cut... :) :) Oh yah, how could I forget this one... My sister had a few friends over one night and the power went out. I got up to find a candle and lighter and as I turned a corner with my arms extended feeling my way though the darkness my sister's friend walked into my path and both my hands cupped her breasts. About a year later, she was over during a storm again and she said "I hope the power goes out." She kinda glanced at me when she said it, but I don't really know if she was referencing that, It's fun to think about though, heck, I was only 13 and she was 17-18.. :P |
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The best ever for me......was when my oldest sister was in college, she stayed in an all female dorm. She is 5 years my senior, so I was about 14 years old. While I was visiting her at her dorm one day, I was secretly snuck into her room. Of course she went to class and I was left alone in the room. I was told to stay put and not make any sound or let anyone see me. This was torture, because all the bathrooms on her floor where for females only. I snuck into the bathroom (about 4 doors down) and hurried into one of the stalls. The crack on the stall door was facing the showers. Needless to say, I stayed in the stall for almost 2 hours, while girls came in and out to use the shower. It was frickin great and I still smile when I think back to those days. Eventually my sister had to come look for me and found me in the stall. She was pretty pissed, but hey....it was all worth it!.
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LOL...I was starting to get a little nervous about you talking about your sister there, Dawson!
[Jerry Seinfeld voice]Not that there's anything WRONG with that![/Jerry Seinfeld voice] |
I’ve got a good one!
Years ago when I was in high school (since torn down), I was a 16 year old student assistant to the swimming coach. In the ‘lobby area’ between the pool and locker rooms were 2 counter areas, the women’s side and the men’s side, where people coming out of the locker rooms would give me their basket holding their clothes and valuables to lock up while they were in the pool. One day while checking in a student’s basket on the women’s side, I noticed that there was a full length mirror just inside the entry to the women’s locker room that looked directly into the shower area! Needless to say, I suddenly knew very intimate details about girls who wouldn’t give me the time of day. You know, the 17 and 18 year olds that only dated older guys and guys already out of high school. I knew who wore padded bras and those who didn’t need to, who were natural blonds and who were not, and so on. I could hardly walk down the hall keeping a straight face when seeing some of the girls. Problem was, I couldn’t tell a soul about my good fortune for if I did, I would have been in a lot of trouble! IMSA |
Saw a young girl (20ish) last week who was wearing a skirt that was just too big, every 3/4 steps she took the thing slid down exposing her thong/gstring . . she kept pulling it up and it kept sliding down . . . . I kept hoping she'd forget for a minute and show some more . . no luck . . .
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Apartment complexes are the best voyeur spots ever! I have always lived on the top floor or as close as I could get. This usually gives you access to a good 6 or 8 apartment windows across from you. A little patience and determination will usually net you quite a bit of skin!
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stilll looking *sniff* why hasn't this kinda thing happened to me yet? ?
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I will never forgot this one time me and a buddy were hanging out on South Beach, Miami. This beautiful blonde Pamela Anderson looking girl comes up and lays her towel down somewhat near us. We are both like whoa this chick is amazing. All of a sudden without warning her top comes off and these huge beautiful meat puppets flop out. We were both trying hard not to look at her as she scampered into the water. We waited a good while for her to come out but unfortunately we had to leave before she did.
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I was 8 or 9 when a family moved into the house behind us. The back of our houses faced each other so my bedroom was opposite of the other house's, so was the bathroom upstairs. The new family had 3 or 4 girls, all high school or college age. Two of them share one bedroom across from mine.
Often they would come home and go straight to their room to change, usually before getting inside the room they were semi-topless. Of course I caught more than a few glimpses because my desk was facing the back window, directly looking into their room. On a few occasions I would catch them running from the bathroom to the bedroom naked - completely! Only I was too young to really appreciate what I had seen. |
If i know i'm going out clubbing or something fun like that, i won't wear underwear (more liberating and fun anyway), Or my roommate's got me in the habit of wearing a bra less frequently. *shrugs* it's the inner exhibition in me.
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Never seen anything. But I'm still young..
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But...if a girl is walking around in a short skirt because she likes the style and men are falling over trying to get a glance up it, the girl should be offended. As much as everyone likes to think girls are just big teases and show-offs, some people really just dress for the fashion - not to put a huge sign saying "VAGINA!" on their foreheads. But you're right. If they change in front of a window, they shouldn't be offended. And they definately shouldn't get mad at their SO for admiring their body. Then again, there is a time and place for everything. If I'm trying to have a real conversation with my bf and he's just drooling over my breasts 24/7 instead of listening to me, I'll get pretty annoyed. I've said this before and I'll say it again - girls do like to be admired but there's a way to do it. If you glance at us a few times, perhaps flash a smile, you still get some type of viewing pleasure and the girl will be flattered. But if you stand around drooling and stick your eyes to her breasts, she'll think you're a creep. It's just unseemly. However...if you can peek up skirts and down shirts discreetly, more power to you :) ...anyway, to get back on topic...sometimes I'll start changing or getting ready for a shower and then realize the curtains are opened. I don't get worked up over it or anything but I usually check to see if anyone was watching me when I go to close the curtains. I've never seen anyone. I'm not sure what I'd do if I did. |
I'm sure I've unknowingly given younger kids alot of chances to see me naked or in my undies around the house. My backyard is right across an ally from an elementary school. Sometimes, especially right when school starts, I'll be walking around in nothing and then realize that the blinds are open and the kids can see me if they look over. One time when this happened, I saw this boy, who was in about 5th grade, just staring with his jaw on the ground. I waved and he ran away faster than I would have figured he could run... oops...
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Couple of things. Once I was out on the balcony of my apatment late at night when a truck pulled in. A girl got out of the passenger side laughing and was completly naked. Then the driver got out and they went inside. Weird.
I used to run camera at sporting events. At a lot of these events when we weren't broadcasting (commercial breaks, etc) the director would have the camera guys scan the stands looking for girls in short skirts and the like and have us zoom in for panty (and sometimes not!) shots. All good fun. |
As a sophomore in high school a friend of mine came up and started to talk to me and some of my friends sitting at a table in the cafeteria in the morning trying to finish our home work. Back in junior high she always told me that she hated wearing bras. Now in high school I could see how much she hated them.
She bent over to talk to us and was wearing a low cut sweater..... Let's say that we didn't get to finish our homework and we kept asking her questions that had nothing to do with nothing. Very nice boobs in all their glory that she had! Also about a week ago I go where my sister works to get a haircut and she tells me that this other girl just got a boob job. So as my hair is dying, I have a lot of gray hair, I go and talk to the other girl. We get to talking about her new boobs so I ask her if I can feel them. She looks at me and says sure. Only problem is that she had to wear a strap so I didn't get a good feel. Just was curious how they felt compared to natural breasts. She did say that when they lowered and looked more natural I could feel them again. SCORE!! |
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