26 (well, Im 26 tomorrow and it is divisble by 2)

so...

(26/2)+7=20

That sounds pretty fair. Good rule, man!

When I was 19 I dated a girl for a few weeks. She was as horny as it gets. She was taller than me, had a huge rack and was fairly intelligent. I was shocked when found out later that the reason she didn't have a drivers license wasn't because they had been taken away. She was 15. Nearly shat myself. I had no idea.

i don't think it really matters if the person is physically mature enough or not. though i do agree that kids are maturing way too fast these days. but i think the important thing here is emotional and mental maturity. my body was sexually matured when i was like 16....i had large boobs, a nice round butt, nice legs...but i wasn't ready for sex. and i think so many youngsters out there falsely convince themselves that they are ready for sex, when actually they're not.
if the teen is mature enough then there's nothing wrong with having sex, though i do think it's wrong for someone who's way older (who knows better) to take advantage of a situation like that.
i'm glad the law says 18 is the limit.

I dont know its just amazing to see how far we have come. Watching shows on TV growing up with Little House on the Prarrie seeing those girls engaged at the age of 15 married at 16 and pregnant at the age of 17.
Where as now girls are getting pregnant at 13 14 years old and people are calling them sluts and tramps.
Its the way they are being brought up the tv shows are showing more and more sexually active teens and even though they are doing the well you shouldnt do this they arent hearing it. I cant say much I was 14 almost 15 when I became active. Even though I regret it now. I personally think that the age of concent should be 16 any younger should be concidered rape doesnt matter how old the partner is.

For me i would say 16 - 17. Its true that girls are a lot more mature these days than they were even when i was in high school (only 6 years ago).

I'm 19, my girlfriend is 17. That's young enough for me.

I do believe any grown up man (say, 25+) should stick to 18 and older, if only out of self-respect. When I hear stories here and there of thirteen- or fourteen-year old girls doing it with guys in their thirties, I'm fucking disgusted.

Funny how pedophilia can make even the most open-minded people feel very uncomfortable.

I define too young by a measure of maturity and autonomy. I know a few 25-year-olds that are too young for me. When being older turns into a major power advantage, that means that you're too old for him/her. To come up with an exact number certainly doesn't take into account anything, but I will say that it is likely that girls in high school are not ready for sex on a psychological level. But, given societal norms and whatnot, that doesn't mean it isn't going to happen. 18 may be an arbitrary number our society uses to help deal with this gap and the power issues, and I'm generally fine with it. I certainly am not going to be looking for anyone that young. And the truth be told, if you want someone younger than that you're going to have to handle it maturely or else you will get caught and burned pretty badly. Passing that test means that either you've found someone who's mature enough, or that you've totally dominated the younger person. I would hope that the latter circumstance would happen a lot less than I think it does.

I know someone that works in a teen pregnancy center. Girls come in all the time at 12 to 14 years old pregnant. 99% of the time its not a 13 year old guy that is the father , its someone more like 23. Just something to think about.

I think this question is pretty easy, anything younger than the legal age is too young. For me, even having sex with the most gorgeous girl in the world is not worth risking going to jail over. And when it comes down to it would you really do it? I know I can see a nice looking 16 or 17 year old and say , wow shes cute. But when it came down to it , I would feel dirty doing anything with them.

Well I personally couldn't date a chick younger than 18 and I am 22. Most girls under 18 are annoying and don't know what they want ( I said MOST, not all).

BUT on the other hand, there definetely are some hot 16/17 year olds out there. Would I ever do anything with them? No. Does that stop me from staring at them on the beach? NO.

I have a friend who will be 16 in a few months, and I'm 21. I've known her for 3 years, and we're almost like bf/gf, but we desided to wait a few more years. me and our friends think she's pretty mature mental wise, for her age. neither of us plan on having sex until we're married, but still don't want to cause any problems. I might talk to her parents about asking her out when she's 17.

it sickens me seeing 14 year old girls at the mall covered with more makeup then cloths. in 20 or 30 years, I would never let my kids look like that, no matter how the rest of the world's children dress.

Note.. maturity as a mental state is different from maturity of a physical state. A girl could be 16 and FULLY Mature physically but that doesn't men she is mentally mature enough to make the decissions about sex.

You can say that again.

In fact, you should put it on a billboard, right next to any beer ad.

I'm still considered young by most at 24.

That being said, I'm finally going to college after taking a few years off to work, and being around 18-22 year olds all the time, I'll say this:

I started dating my girlfriend over 4 years ago, I was 20, she was 17. She was mature for her age, smart, all around awesome. However, our relationship has taken lots and lots of work in order to stay as healthy as it's been over the past 4 years. The age difference was fairly minor in the early stages of our relationship, in fact, she was more experienced than I was in most ways, so while there was an age difference of 3 years, there was a general maturity difference of very little. That was how our relationship was able to work.

That being said, there was a discrepancy of life experience that made our relationship very difficult at times. I had done the drinking and partying thing when I was her age, and so when she was starting to get into that, I was already done. Source of conflict

Overall, I'd say that there are always special cases. 999/1000 times, I would say that someone 25 should never even think to date someone 16-17, but there's always some relationship that could prove that wrong.

Because I'm back in college, I'm working a part time disposable retail job. Most of my co-workers are 16-20, so I get hit on a lot by my younger co-workers. They know I'll laugh it off because I'm in a committed relationship, but attraction between men and women is natural, so they like to toy with me and tell me how they feel to make me crazy.

Now the hormonal responses make my body go, "hey, she's hot... if you were single, you should hook that up." but my brain retorts, "Are you crazy?? As hot as a mature, smart, intelligent, legal (16 is the age of consent in NV) gorgeous girl is, I have absolutely no desire to deal with the differences and difficulties that would be involved in such a relationship."

In the simplest terms, I've met and known 16 year olds that could handle relationships with older people, and I've met older people who have younger maturity levels and who would therefore be better matched with younger mates. But its usually only matched within a small number of years. 16 dating 19 maybe, 18 dating 22 maybe, but I highly doubt I'll ever meet the couple with an age diffence of 10 years, where one party is still in High school, that seems to make sense.

My 2 cents...

I kinda took offence to that cuz I know I joke around with my friends too much, but so be it. you're only young once, so I'm making sure I'm happy thru it. I guess that's why me and my friend get along so well. cuz we're both always picking on each other. :D

A friend of mine uses the same rule. I think it works nicely.

When I was younger, I always said I'd wait until I was married to have sex. When I got to be about 17, though, I started thinking "well, okay, what if I don't get married until I'm 30?" so it was amended to "wait until you're in love and emotionally ready." That didn't happen until I was 18.

I recently found out that my cousin, who is 15, is having sex. I definitely think that's too young; the guy, who is 16-17 immediately broke up with her after finding out she was grounded, so he could go have sex with someone else. Yikes.

Another friend of mine, who is 20, pretty much only dates high school girls. I didn't think much about it until we were out one night, and he was literally drooling over the 14 and 15 year olds. I couldn't help but feel disgusted.

And to answer the original question--I think 18 is the limit. There are always exceptions, of course, and it depends on your own age, but as a rule, 18. *nods*

into the balliwick i jump.
from my perspective (40 yr old bi-kinky-perv)
girls:
most of the ones interact w/ in my line of work (retail) while many are pretty (or drop dead HAWT), the emotional maturity just ai'nt there. (what I call 'pretty body, ugly attitude) and while they may have the 'mechanics' of sex down, I believe there is NO substitute for experience (what works, what does'nt), which tends to only come from growing up. That, and concidering my 'baggage' (see the "scenes from a journey" thread elsewhere in this forum), many of the girls that i 've run across would seem to be unable, in the words of Jack Nicholson to handle "The truth...YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH" In reality, for many years, neither could I.

guys:
it's a little different (yeah, a double standard, lash me w/ the wet noodle ;)) the age/maturity notions are the same as girls, but there is also them being 'open to the possibility' of sex. the majority are'nt, some are.

Funny thing, back eons ago (the Pleistocene Epoch, if memory serves), i used to think that one of the coolest things would be to take the 'cherry' of someone (either m/f). Now, today i'm not really sure i'd want that awesome responsibility.

That's how i see it, from my seat behind the thick post (Norm Nathan)

There is nothing concrete about sexuality for anyone. Deciding ages of consent is completly arbitrary. If a 15 year old, and a 23 year old are in a relationship, as long as no parents disagree, then society and the state have no right to intervene.

You cannot argue that children of any age are not curious about their bodies, or others. You cannot argue that children will not develop their own sexuality, independently. You cannot argue that they will not have sex. Neither can you argue that they should not.

You cannot make decisons for people, as long as they have some degree of freedom.

You can only give children, teenagers, and adults the tools to make smart decisions about sex and relationships. You can only attempt to protect children, teenagers, and adults from rape, and manipulation.

Man not to judge, but you should not be judging anyone elce. Youve got to be kidding about the girl, you started being "friends" when you were 18 and she was 13 . You then go on to say that you are such a good guy for "waiting" until she is 18 until you can get married, You shoudlent be thinking about 13 year olds in that way in the first place. What kind of a person at 18 wants anything to do with a 13 year old girl
???

I was discussing a girlfriend with my mom one time, and I mentioned something about how she calls a friend of mine, Mr. Jones, instead of by his first name like I do. She interrupted me by saying, that was a good indication that she was too young to go out with!!!

sorry, I didn't say that part too clear. we didn't even know we liked each other for 2 years after I met her. and when I talk about marrage, I don't mean her. I just mean whoever I marry oneday, if I do get married. me and her don't talk or think about things like that. we barely even talk about going out oneday.

I only have one friend who's my age. he's about 6 months younger them me. I have a bunch of friends who are around the ages 15 to 18. (not all girls either) my one friend is 16 now, and we were like best friends online, until he stopped coming online. and I have a good friend at my church who is the pastors son. he's 15. his brother is 25. I'm friends with him too, but I don't hang around him a lot. I dunno.. I can't help who my friends are.

Hair, she's fair.

If she's old enough to walk to the Seven Eleven, she's ready for the BIG GULP.


Seriously now, 17 is the absolute youngest I'd date.

Unless you want to chance jail time, 18 and older

No answer?!?!?!?!?

I usually don't go lower that 17... there has been only one exception... and that was a mistake. but 17 seems like a good limit to set for me.

It's true though all the hormones they feed cows (estrogen, Growth hormone, etc.) go into their milk. Basically it concentrates it. I'm all for the accelerated growth from milk theory

edit: missed the whole 2 more pages thing...
It's my belief that young girls are maturing physically at an earlier age because the hormones in milk and some other foods "jumpstart" the process.

I think it might just be from being around more "mature" things in schools.

Granted, I skimmed (no milk pun there) the responses so far, but I do feel I can voice an opinion here.

The teen-pages and whatnot don't necessarily do it for me, though some barely-18/19/21-claiming women who don't look like children definitely do something for me. I guess for me it's all in context. If it appears that someone legal is doing something of their own volition (and we dont need to start on the pressures of the sex trade or gender-roles in a patriarchical society), there's all the more attraction.

Secondly, I find it interesting that women used to be sexual objects at 15, 16, 17, and 18 a hundred years ago (and further back), as partners, mothers, etc. And with the advent of "women's liberation" and the associated desire to compete equally with males of the world - career, education, etc - meant that women weren't seen in that light until they were well into their 20s, and now that same liberation, coupled with changing societal norms and new gender roles means the sexualisation of "teens" at younger and younger ages once again. What do people make of this?

Sorry for the oft-derailing train of thought. Feel free to poke holes in my stream of consciousness; I don't claim infallibility.

That said, I have an aside which I think is on topic, as others have mentioned diet, urbanisation, and lifestyle. While travelling in Scotland a few years ago, it seemed to me that UK women (generalisation!) seemed to show the more physical signs of womanhood (hips, breasts) at earlier ages than in North America. Anyone out there have a view on this? I wasn't sure if I should attribute it to diet, considering the horribly fattening diet in North America, but there was little else I could go on.

Wow. long post. sorry :)

nice theory.

btw, I like your one quote, "Feel free to poke holes in my stream of consciousness". I set that as my msn screen name. the futurama quotes are getting a little old. lol

Girls are dressing more provacatively and behaving in an increasingly sexual manner - I'm 27. I lost my virginity when I was 17, and I was in a committed (albeit bad) relationship.

All my friends lost their virginity when they were around 14. I sat back and watched and just waited.

My cousin is 14, and her mom found an open box of condoms in her purse this past weekend. She's been dressing like Britney, or Christina or whoever is on the top 40 this week since she was 11 or so.

Now, I wasn't allowed to dress like that, or wear the makeup, or "walk the walk" as it were.

Guys, they're dressing so you'll look. As parents should know, it would be incredibly unrealistic to allow them to dress/act like that and not have sex earlier, or be seen as older, or "ready".

My supremely tacky brother said once "If they're old enough to bleed, they're old enough to breed".....it seems to be a working statement anymore. As disappointing as that is.

I lost my virginity when I was 17. Much younger than 16 or so I think is just .. too young. I, thankfully, was really prepared for the whole event so it never really made a big [emotional type] impact on my life. A lot of girls I know who lost theirs around 14 have really regretted it.

Well it is a tough question... And everyone has pretty much answered it. We place legal limits on the age i guess to make
our old asses feel better. Legally i have to say what ever your
law says but however i personlly believe 16 to be the proper
age.

sorry if this is a little too religious, but I beleve governmental laws aren't gods laws. although if you brake gods law you might go to hell, but if you brake a governmental law you suffer consequences in this lifetime, which could be a living hell. :p

Well.. no matter what age it is .. its the persons choice.. no matter what set of rules.. weithe they be religious or gov't that you drill in to a person.. when they chose the time .. they will do it thier way. Its up to the parents and such to instill a since of morality in to that person to help them understand what may lay ahead.

from experience.. seeing how my bro in law is in jail.. i think that if you touch a person under 18 you should fry.

Personally, I am at the point where the age of 18 is the lowest that I would go. You have to look at the legal limit, but there are some 17 year olds that are going on 25, but you have to be strong.

18 is the youngest I would bang, but 21 is the youngest I would date.

I just found out today that they've raised the age to 16 which I think is good!

Consent in Canada is 14!
Ha! :/

While consent is 14 here, there's no way I'd ever consider having sex with someone that young. I may looky, no touchy though. I subscribe to the rule half your age + seven for the moment, which means 18 is lowest I'd go.

"That's what I love about high school girls. I keep getting older, they stay the same age." ;)

Guyswise I tend to prefer older men. Younger guys are just too much of a hassle.

I would probably never date anyone under 20.

ah yes.
the so-called mohammad's rule for dating (<a href="http://www.turnmeloose.com/03/romance/" target="_blank">online calculator here for the mathematically challenged</a>). it seems to be fairly socially acceptable and applicable to sex.

since i'm 20, i try (and succeed) in keeping my age requirements at 18, and if they don't meet my personality/maturity requirements they're outta here. i had a very bad relationship experience once and it messed me up for a long time. i now have to go through lengths to make sure that kind of thing never happens again.

ok, so acording to that rule, it would be ok for me to date 17.5 to 28. would it be that bad if I liked a girl who's 16?

But at the low end of the spectrum that rule system kinda breaks down.

A 16 year old can date a 15 year old
An 18 year old can date a 16 year old.
A 20 year old can date a 17 year old.
A 22 year old can date an 18 year old
A 24 year old can date a 19 year old.

Something seems off but what do I know.

Anyone under 18 is to young!! But for those of us who enjoy LOOKING at sexy young girls (Sexy-not nude) I wish there was more available. I would never think of actually having sex with a 12-16 year old girl but masturbating to pictures of them is just as good(and as long as they are not nude photos its legal)

See, I don't really agree with that. I wouldn't want you looking at pictures of my 12 year old daughter (Proverbially speaking, I am definitely not old enough to have a 12 year old ;D) .. I don't think they're old enough to make a conscious decision on whether or not pictures of them should be taken and used for things they don't know of.

Honestly, I believe thats why kiddie porn laws are in place. Even though they may be clothed, I still think its wrong.
Nothing against you, Donc1961 or anyone else who enjoys partaking in activities like this, but I think it is just wrong.

I beleve porn is as adictive as smoking. a lot of people smoke a pack or more a day. if people are looking at any type of pics of 12-16 year olds, it is very possible it would move on to rape. it happens every day. even if they're clothed, it is possible they wouldn't be after a few months or a year or 2.

my friend, who is 16 and I care for with all my heart, doesn't like me looking at any kind of porn. I am gladly trying to quit, but that's why I say it's so much like smoking. it's not easy to stop doing it. I may go back to it sometimes and beat myself up for doing it, but I have my mind set on quitting cuz I care for her that much.

Let me just mix things up a little bit. What about emancipated minors? In other words, people under the age of eighteen that the justice system has decreed capable of taking care of themselves.

I am currently 22 years old, and my girlfriend will turn 21 in July.

I could never conceive myself being with someone below age 18, and if I were single I probably wouldn't date any woman more than two years younger than me (much less have sex with them).

16 is the age of consent where I'm from. Chewybaca96 and I met when I was 16 and he was 23. It was totally cool with my folks (wacky Europeans, go figure) and there were no legal repercussions unless my folks decided there should be. Good rule. We're still together, living happily together with plans on getting married.

Moral of the story - Age is only a number, but check with your state laws first because they make the rules :)

Oh, BTW, I forgot to add all the shit I went through because of it. Stupid high school games. He lost some good friends over the whole deal, and I got to figure out who my real friends were.

As my Pappy once told me.

Old enough to bleed, old enough to breed.

V.

1. ever hear of a thing called birth defects

2. who would support the child? most likely the girls family, if she doesn't have an abortion. I know if I was a 14 year old girl, I'd love to do that... isn't the world screwed up enough as it is?

it's topics like this that have me praying to God everynight not to have girls when im ready to have kids someday.

Haha so true HYEHORSE!!
A 50% chance.... that's terrible...

for me being 20 id say 16 is the youngest i would go )

I wouldn't date anyone who's under 17. People under that age can change a lot in a short amount of time, and I have trouble seeing how anything serious could come out of such a relationship.

Well let me chime in on this one... I was in a night club about 8 years ago. at the time I was 30 matter of fact it was my 30th birthday party... I was in a club and was rollin.. (doing X) and this unbelivable hottie came up to me and started dancing.. we had drinks, at the clubs bartop, made out on the dance floor, practically fucked in the club bathroom... so needless to say I got a good look at her and never once considered the fact of her age... we went back to my place fucked like madd all night long... time to take her home the next morning... well Mom was waiting on her and yelled at me and threw things at my car screaming at me because the girl was only 15.... well I never went back, but I was scared for a long time afterwards.... 3 months later same girl in the same bar.... Parents should look after their children a little better. I feel badly about it but if I had it all over to do again without checking ID's I'd do it again!

I was just having this debate with friends last week . . I feel that 17 . . . 18 is not too young . . . anything younger doesn't seem appropriate . . . because mentally, they are still kids until they are about 18 and have had some life experience . . . but some 16 year olds can still look very pretty yes . . .

I'd say under 16 is too young...that's the age of consent in the UK and I agree with that assessment. I think that having the age of consent of 18 in the US is kind of...archaic. Kids under 18 DEFINITELY have sex and they DEFINITELY know what they are doing. Despite that...for me, personally...under 18 is too young. I once had to card a guy (now my lover) to make sure he was 18...he had literally turned 18 the week before. :P He's seasoned quite well in the two years I've known him, but maturity is relative. Though he was very inexperienced, he was very mature for his age, and that impressed (and still does impress) the hell out of me.

im tempted to say 16

This is one of the things that drives me nuts whenever I find myself at the mall. I guess it's a sign that I'm now older than I feel, but I'm a constant peoplewatcher, and there are all these amazing looking girls in the mall. Then I get closer and realize they are fourteen, thirteen, or younger. Aagh! You can hardly even tell anymore.

Under 17 is a definite low, 17 and 18 are case-by-case.. I WILL consider the possibility, but the girl has to be convincing that she's done with the teenage attitude.

I'd never date under 21 (can't drink at a bar).

I have to admit I'd probably mess around with a girl 15 to 16 if she looked and acted older than a typical girl that age.

I've fantasized about girls as young as 14 (hot freshmen highschool chicks).

I'm 22. I'm not really sure what age I'd date because of the girl this thread started about, but I think 17 would be reasonable. she still wants to wait until she's 18.

A year later - guess I'm still at 24... (see post above)... ;)

For me? I'd say anything under 16 is too young.

im 18 almost 19 and for me id have to say 17 is the youngest id go simply because when you are with someone in high school whether you have graduated or not, you have to deal with the High school Drama bullshit that everyone is happy no longer exists after that.

half your age (rounded up) plus seven is the youngest age you can get away with

its flawless :)

Ah, the dirty old man constant. I say it doesn't apply untill you're 30.
One major reason for that, is so that I can date 16 year olds.

half your age rounded up plus seven is not 16 if you're 30. its 22.

I mean the rule shouldn't apply untill you're 30.
Using that equation, my minimum is 18. That is unacceptable ;)

half my age plus seven, but minus 2 for one special person I know. I like that better :-P

I work at a high school so pretty much all teenage girls have stopped being sexually attractive to me. Not that I am a saint but when you are around something everyday...

keeps you out of trouble and out of jail :thumbsup:

All of my girlfriends are usually younger than me but by that I mean they are in their early 20's. I am 27

How so? That would make the youngest that I could go...28. Myself being 42, of course.

Well... to sum it all up: age of consent.

Follow that, you stay out of trouble and jail. Ridicule from your friends is a different story.

The end.

http://www.ageofconsent.com/ageofconsent.htm

Most states have 16. Some are 17 and 18.

You are correct in that women got married at a young age (heck they still do in many parts of the world) back then, you are incorrect in the age of their mates. Most would have been in their 20's with the upper bounds generally being around 40. Remember how much shorter life expectancy was back then, unless the man was going to be around to support his new wife her family likely would not have allowed the marriage. Juliet was 13 and was to be married to a man in his early 20's, this was a normal situation. She would have been expected to bear her first child within the first two years of the marriage. If you go back in time even further the biological necessity of women maturing quickly becomes evident, if you only live to your mid to late 20's on average then for there to be any chance for knowledge transfer between generations you have to give birth at a young age. This of course does not mean that all or even most young women today are mentally mature enough to handle a kid at these ages. Western society does a fairly good job of extending childhood into the late teens, which is a good things in some ways but in many ways it is bad. When your hormones are telling you one thing and society quite a different one it can be quite confusing.

i must be the only lolita in the group. i lied through my teeth when guys asked how old i was. when i was 13/14 i could easily pass for 18, even 21 wasn't difficult if i wore the right clothes and make-up. my lies were made even easier if i could convince someones older sister to back me up.

typically i would only do this during the summer months--when i'd play a college girl who'd come home for the summer or a recent hs graduate about to go off to college. it kept my flings to an easy time-line and gave me a built-in excuse to break things off before i had to go back to school and might get caught.

was i too young for the guys i dated? i don't think so, we got along and i learned a hell of a lot! and i don't mean just sexually, even simple things like how to walk side-by-side with a man without awkwardly bumping into him every other step.

i feel a little bad about it now, just because of the amount of trouble the men would have faced if i'd been caught. as it was, that didn't become an issue. if any of them knew or suspected at the time how old i was, i wasn't aware of it. and i only know of one who found out years later (and boy was he pissed...but that's another story).

i wouldn't encourage any guy to search out an underage girl just because they are literally jail bait. ignoring the law, are they are really too young? totally depends on the girl.

I'm almost 24 and I can't have a bad thought about any girl being under the age of 18, I just feel too dirty.

Definitely! I've never really had a problem determing a girl's age either.

Sorry, but that really is a naive way of thinking. If they couldn't tell, they are morons. There are so many things that give age away. Just like it's easy to tell the difference between girls that go to college to party on daddy's money and the girls going to college whom actually succeed.

I can also say that I have met very few 18-25 year olds that really have a mature outlook on life. Much less below 18.

When I was 16, 15 yr old girls seemed just fine. When my daughters reached 15, it didn't seem like such a good idea any more. Just a matter of perspective, I guess.

If it weren't judged based on the lines of the law at all...I think we would surely base things much more on maturity than physical development

Kind of an unusual first post for me, I know, but I want to point something out: life expectancies in the past were a lot better than the numbers make them look, because the numbers factor in infant mortality. Before the modern era, there were huge numbers of diseases that could easily kill newborn babies... in most times and places each baby born had, IIRC, only about a 50/50 chance of making it to its 5th birthday! Once you had made it that far, you still had a pretty good chance of making it into old age. Most societies weren't that different from us in that respect (not as good, but still, it's not like everyone was dropping dead at 45.) Places like England during Shakespeare's time were the exception, with lower life expectancies usually caused by overcrowding and poor waste management (imagine living in a city where everyone was emptying their chamberpots right into the street.)

I think the pressure to have lots of kids came partly from that high infant mortality: it takes a lot more pregancies to have a given number of kids if half of them are going to die in childood.

Heh, I started a post very similar to this recently. I sooo wish girls stopped being hot to me when I become too old for them (legally), but we all concluded that such is not the case. Follow your penis or follow your brain? Although I've been guilty of the former far too many times, none of those situations have put me in a potentially liable position, and I'd like to keep it that way.

Although ever since that guy told me to keep flirting with my friend's sister "for practice," I've been doing a lot of it. :p

so when you were 18-25 you had a mature outlook on life and none of the girls you knew did? :rolleyes:

at any rate, there are all sorts of people in this world. what strikes you as being immature may be a lovely gesture of innocence that someone else finds desirable. it's all in what you're looking for.

besides, these were summer flings--hardly enough time for someone to really get to know a person. it's not like we sat around having deep conversations about the meaning of life and wouldn't it be nice if we got married and had kids. 18-25 year old guys are no more mature than women of the same age, generally less so actually. i wasn't dating men in their 30's when i was a young teen, i was dating guys 18-25. they were interested in the same thing i was--a good time.

True story:

One of my friends who was 15 at the time was working as a cashier at a local department store, while him and a coworker of a similar age were debating whether it's okay to find a younger girl attractive, an old janitor, at least 60 years old. popped in with a couple of rhymes like "Old enough to pee is old enough for me" and "gotta get there before the hair". The guy was later arrested for sexual abuse... creepy, just creepy...

This one gal I met in a video game store. We had a deep conversation on farming video games and the lessons learned that can be applied to real life. And she wears tiny skirts too. But, she was only 16.

I guess I'll try another video game store.

Very few did. My family is wealthy. In my opinion, that really helped me be realistic about life and really think about my choices. I've met few 30 year olds that I felt really had a "healthy" outlook on life.

I agree. But, I'm not talking about acting goofy. I'm referring to things such as being destructive, inconsiderate, or thinking ONLY day-to-day and only about one's self.

I agree, but 18-25 year old guys are normally not as naive as 13-16 year old girls.

So let me get this straight. You talked with a 16-year old girl, wearing a mini skirt, about how Harvest Moon can be applied to real life. You then found out she was 16, so you didn't get her #, and have decided to frequent videogame stores mor often in order to pick up on chicks?

Although I know a few hot chicks who enjoy playing videogames, I have NEVER seen a hot chick at a videogame store. In fact, I RARELY see females at those places, and when I do, they're either parents buying games for their kids, or kids themselves.

Try a bar or something. :-p

I'm 20 and refuse to go under 18, i've never been with anyone younger than me though.

16 is fine as that is where \i started.

As long as she says she's legal and looks like she's hit the tail end of puberty, she's old enough.

Anyone who cannot handle the consequences of sex (read: PREGNANCY) should not have sex. Period.

I would say at least 18, even then I have met some pretty immature 18 year olds in my time.

Well, if you know of a better place to meet grrl gamers, then I'd like to hear it :)

LANs? -Adding text to meet length requirements-

Should just follow this, at least you won't go to jail!

http://www.ageofconsent.com/ageofconsent.htm

This thread again? I say raise the age of consent to 99 in ALL countries! Builds character!
(99 is the age I plan to lose my virginity)

I had a friend who had a 14 yr old girl friend and had sex with her at that age, he was 18 at the time. And I totally disagreed with what he said, I thought it was the worst thing he could've done. (a few months later he did worse, but thats another thread). I'm going to have to stay silent on this though, what age is definately a hot topic. I think there are certain teenagers that are more mature than others at a younger age. But I feel that there are certain unwritten rules about sex, like the age limit. (well where I live there is) Sex is between two consenting people, it should stay between those two. Considering my current situation, I cannot really add anymore than that.

When the cops show up.

Try internet cafes. ;)