GK.12.3

Hey TFP Family,
Grab a cup of coffee. You're in for a long ride!
Around Thanksgiving, I ended a 4-year relationship with my girlfriend (I'm 23. She's 22). I'm a pretty conservative guy so I gave it all I could throughout the years. I don't regret jack shit and was over it after 3-4 days . My ex-girlfriend was a really good person but a bit to passive when it came to sex (this was not the reason why we broke up but her passiveness towards life and me had a lot to do with it). As a result, we had a pretty boring sex life (we were each others' first but I had chicks in the past who blew me etc. so I had a slightly greater advantage). Towards the end, she started giving me some amazing BJ's which I will never forget but there was no kinkiness to our sex life. I remember once asking her to put on heels so I could fuck her and she said something along the lines of "What if I accidentally poke you and hurt you?" You get the point... I started my Master's program when I was with the ex-girlfriend and right about when we broke up, finished my first semester of grad. school (straight A's, kept my shit together and didn't bonk ). Thank goodness.
During my first semester, I met a pretty cool guy in college who is a year older. We became pretty good buddies as we shared a lot of things in common. Cutting to the chase, this buddy of mine has a tutoring company on the side. He has been tutoring this Korean girl for approximately 2+ years. She comes from a very hard core traditional family and has been basically kept in the house for all her life (don't mean that literally but you get the point ). Well, recently she too started attending college to get her Bachelor's and asked my friend if they could fuck around (since he knew her for so many years and she trusted him). She made it clear to him that she wanted to experiment and try shit out without any strings attached. They broke off their 'professional' relationship and started fucking around. My buddy said he fucked her and popped her cherry. But she now tells me she only gave him head and that her ex popped her cherry. I don't really give a fuck. I don't want to be the guy going up to my buddy and questioning him over this girl (I have a feeling she may be the one bullshitting because my buddy told her I was experienced and wanted someone that knew what was up ).
So this buddy of mine, who really isn't into Korean girls, decided to pass her on to me (he has had maybe less than 4 'non-professional' encounters with her). He told me that she was wild and kinky as fuck and was down to do just about everything in the book (which was cool with me because I had a lot of shit I wanted to try out myself that I probably couldn't try out with someone of my own culture. And the same goes for her).
So she texted me and asked me if I wanted to play around with an Asian slut. 'Heartbroken,' I said, sure, what the hell... I'm down. The first day we met, she cut to the chase and gave me the sickest porn star blow job in the car. Excuse the French but she swallowed my cum and said she wanted more. The next day, she came over to my pad and gave me head for one fucking hour, of which 25-minutes she probably spent gagging on my cock (she is on her rag so I couldn't knock her up). She texted me before coming over that she was going to spit my cum back on my cock and lick it up, and that's exactly what she did, took it like a champ (didn't even give a fuck about the cum, although later she admitted that it was bitter, lmao ).
When my buddy first told me about her, he said that she tries too hard and that's so fucking true. She does. She wants to be called a slut, but deep down inside, is a pretty down to earth gal who has her shit together in life. She reminds me of a crazy bitch who is down to listen to and accept the monkey all guys have in back of our heads. Hopefully I'm making sense and you get the point.
She's enjoys giving head for hours, gags on my cock, drinks my cum, tells me she wants me to be rough with her, is willing to experiment and satisfy every fucking fantasy I have, etc. Most importantly, at the end of the day, she assures that she's my fuck buddy and most importantly, my Asian 'slut.'
She's pretty good looking. I know she's not a slut. Just tries too hard and acts like one. I'm pretty sure she's experimenting with someone she trusts and if she's not, then I don't know what the fuck is on her mind. Maybe I just haven't had a freaky fuck buddy with no strings attached... I'm kind of glad we met...Kind of confused as well... Kinda feel like David Duchovney in Californication now...
Making things short, help, want to hear what you guys have to say.
(P.S. No I'm not going to get her pregnant. I'm paranoid about that shit).
Thanks guys and gals.

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Plan9

Yeaah, I don't see a question, man. I can't really comment on the above Penthouse Letters submission without some kind of guidance.

I mean, what do you want out of us here? Envy? If it's true, color me jealous. I go for months at time without seeing a woman.

If it's true, you got out of a less than satisfying relationship and are getting the milk without having to buy the cow.

Good for you.

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The_Jazz

Yeah, exactly what do you want advice for? What's the problem?

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GK.12.3

Haha, love the Penthouse Letter submission comment!
Hey, I thought this was an adult forum so I tried my best to keep it formal. I actually thought I was going to get dinged for some of the x-rated jargon in there , haha.

Nope, I don't want envy. Actually, I've shared some stories on here of what a desperate little son-of-a bitch I was growing up. How I couldn't get laid, how my ex-girlfriend wouldn't give it up for two years, how she would spit but not swallow, how I suddenly developed loaded gun syndrome near the end of my Bachelor's degree...all this shit.

But now it seems like I just hit fucking gold and I'm confused as fuck. Probably because the past was all committed relationships where I had to actually give a fuck about the girl for something to happen at the end of the day. Like I said, I'm pretty sure she's experimenting with someone she trusts and if she's not, then I don't know what the fuck is on her mind. This is the mystery to it. I mean, what else could she want?

I think I need to start writing a book about this encounter, lmao.

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eribrav

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar......

The_Jazz

Ok, stick with me because this is a radical idea. It's way out there, man, but maybe it's a good one:

Why don't you ask her?

[cue the music]

What else does she want? How the fuck are we supposed to have the first clue about that? Why's she doing it? Probably because it gets her off. You want to clear up this mystery? The only person who can do that is her. I'm constantly amazed at the questions that are unaskable by folks that do naked aerobics together. Seriously, you'll stick your dick in this girl but you won't ask her some pretty basic questions about what she likes and why? That's kinda fucked up in my book.

Oh, and if you're to start writing erotic fiction, I'd try submitting it some places before quitting your day job. It's not bad, but you're not ready to earn a living doing it yet.

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-mia

ok so do you think the problem is she's trying too hard? she probably just likes being called a slut and there is nothing wrong with that. sometimes talking "down" to someone is part of it. some people get off on pleasing the other person. i for example can relate to those 2 things mentioned above. but probably cant qualify as a "slut"im guessing she likes to be submissive? just watch some porn on the topic. youll get the idea. but dont get to ahead of yourself, your in a position that you could hurt another human being in the wrong way. just take it slow. experiment. build up to it. and to be honest it sounds like your judging her, if your not down to do it dont, shes a human being too.

Seaver

Yeah, I think she gets off on a bit of submissive / degradation.

Nothing wrong with it, I suggest you take the leash she's giving you and test it out. She clearly wants to. Before she gets there text her what you want her to wear. Text her what you expect her to do once she gets there. Text her what you're going to do, etc.

Explore being a Dom, just make sure as the Dom... you have to get her off. Too many douches attempt to be Doms and it's all about them, ruining it for the girl who wanted to test out new areas of their lives.

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Cimarron29414

What's that saying about a gift horse?

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Mountain Biker

So you got a girl that told you what she wants, how she wants it , no strings attached and she is keeping her word...???? What... you want me to tell you to go fuck it up so someone else will have what you got and 85% of the rest of us want??

Just keep your mouth shut and your dick hard ....... you'll have many years of reliable fun ahead of you!

GK.12.3

I guess all this dom/sub shit is new to me, lmao. And kinda weird too (maybe because I always associated sex with love and it's time for me to grow a pair of balls and man up). I really think she's trying too hard (and enjoying it) and I have absolutely no fucking clue on what to do to please her/start enjoying it myself. She'll be gagging on my cock for 10 minutes and here I am laying on my bed asking myself what the fuck is going on, lmao. This chick does the freakiest shit for one hour and towards the end I purposely nut because I can tell she is getting tired (my ex-girlfriend could make me nut in 10 minutes and no, she wouldn't talk dirty, spit on my cock, deep throat or gag on it like this 'slut' does).

Maybe you folks can give me some ideas as to what I should do with this slut. She was so loud the other day when I was sucking on her tits, that I ended up telling her I was going to shove her pink thong in her mouth so she could shut the fuck up. Guess what, she got louder and freakier. I am thinking of blindfolding her and fucking the shit out of her. Maybe I should put on my Saw mask from Halloween and pretend like I'm jigsaw? Will she enjoy this?

Oh, I am so fucking lost, LMAO.

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Baraka_Guru

My only advice to you is to request anal if you haven't already.

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The_Jazz

Sorry, B_G is really a suburban housewife from Atlanta disguised as a cardigan-wearing editor from Toronto. You need a FFM threesome with her best friend with one of them banging the other with a strapon. That will graduate you from high school. Read some of the older threads around here in Sexuality if you really want to go hardcore. You could get into pegging, sounding or denial and just scratch the surface.

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amonkie

honestly GK it sounds like you associate the sex with a relationship and intimacy, as much as you say you don't. She clearly does not.

I think that if you make that mental separation for yourself and if you decide you are OK with that separation, you will find this not so freaky at all and just enjoy it for what it is.

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kramus

I really don't have anything to say about your current sex partner - other than to say it's nice to hear that you folks are figuring out how to deal with desire and verbalizing what you want. Not everyone gets that opportunity. You both should explore it as far as you're willing to. That and you should be sure to regularly rock her boat with her own 'O's so she wants to come back again and again.

What strikes me is your language throughout this thread. Not having noticed in the past, is this your regular way of putting things down? I ask because you mention that you are a conservative fellow with straight A's in grad school, but your word choice reminds me of the conversations I took part in as a high school student working on a landscaping crew with petty criminals, drop outs, drug addicts and folks who dwelt in the fringes of society.

Guys on long, hot days in the sun with nothing to do but repetitive labour involving shovels and wheelbarrows eventually would have contests seeing who could lard their sentences with the greatest number of expletives while still actually carrying on a conversation. It got to the point where one young guy mentioned his mother asking him to pay attention to where he was during the family dinner hour, and in thinking back he realized he'd asked her to "pass the fucking salt". My dad tells of a navy crewman on his destroyer in WWII who put f-shots in between syllables of words. Tried that, it was fun for a while. Indeed, I am told by my Lady that I have a chameleon prosidy, and will speak in different ways with different people. That range goes from the gentler and more refined conversations with my dear mother down to a robust delivery that gets contractors and service persons howling and slapping their knees.

Where am I going with this? It seems like your vernacular, or reliance on swearing, or whatever you want to call it, colours your posts in a way that I feel detracts from their content. I worry I could devalue your posts myself because I don't value the high content of cusses. I surely am not prudish when it comes to the pungent expressions that emphasize points we make or increase the power of an exclamation. But after a while they just become silly. Do you talk this way in class? While doing job-shadowing or discussing things with your family? I guess I'm saying you should look to find a middle ground, because this little threadjack of mine is here to point out the fact that there are folks who will begin to devalue your contributions if they rely on a rather brutal and harsh delivery in order to share what would otherwise be an interesting or vital point.

Hope this hasn't been a bummer or a mistake to post my thoughts. I only want to be sure that you keep the entire community engaged, because there are possibly things that could get discussed that might get lost if someone stopped reading due to your too strong reliance on crudity or vulgar imagery

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Baraka_Guru

I said request anal, not give it.

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GK.12.3

Sorry Mom!
Keeping your thought in mind, would you like for me to refer deep-throating/gagging/spitting/swallowing/being called a slut to love making?
I would like to take a moment and apologize for making you feel uncomfortable. My original intentions were to write what was on my mind using vigorous figure of speech without having any repercussion upon others.
Why did I do it? I don't know. Why do authors do it? To convey how they feel at the time? Perhaps to sound a bit, funny, when speaking of a subject which may seem quite sensitive? I don't really fucking know.
For your reference, since you obviously did not read the thread, I think I accomplished the above mentioned:
After all, this is an adult forum, correct? Hence the reason why we are discussing deep-throating/gagging/spitting/swallowing/calling others a 'slut' because that is what they want to be called? Catch my drift?
Personally, I never discussed things like this when I was in high school (might be quite shocking). I also didn't hang out with landscaping crews, but that is just me, being me.
Nevertheless, thanks for the advice. To answer your question, what do you fucking absolutely think? Yes, I raise my hand in class and state: "Professor, I have a mother-fucking question."
Carry on.

You hit the nail on the head. I guess I got some additional learning to do .

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The_Jazz

Lighten up, Francis. Kramus is trying to help, and he's a lot kinkier than you. He's also one of the most level-headed guys here, so maybe you want to quietly brush that chip off your shoulder and reread what he wrote you.

Although I do love how you managed to just focus on the parts of what 9er and I wrote that you deemed complimentary but neglected the whole "WTF is this thread about?" portion. Makes the stick up my ass quiver in excitement.

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mixedmedia

maybe he is ambivalent about whether the fuck this girl knows what she is doing or not. or whether she is nuts.

I don't think it's an unreasonable thought.

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Plan9

Wait, I get it...

His conscience is ruining his ability to enjoy his NSA super fun fuck toy.

"My god, no man should have something this awesome. I'm unworthy."

That and the weird defensive tantrum doesn't do a whole lot for me.

I mean, hell, we're vulgar in threads that have nothing to do with sex.

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GK.12.3

The end. Let's close this thread!

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Plan9

GK,

This thread is a bad example of TFP in action, but we're only as good as the raw materials we're fed to ruminate upon.

I'm glad you posted and don't care what kind of language you use to describe women, but you need to guide the thread.

The usual format for this is "Hi, I'm having a problem. This is the problem. This is what I think. This is my question."

Hopefully my father (Jazz) and I and the other cranky one-liner shooters didn't piss in your cornflakes too much.

Kramus is an awesome dude. I wouldn't have gone on a fuckity-fuck-fuck PSA, but that's his bag. And I'm a prole.

If you're just posting to talk about freaky sex, frame the discussion as such. I'd post in that kinda thread.

As it stands--with the way you framed your original post and responses--you don't really seem to need advice.

Your pal,

Plan9

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spacekaburia

I think you are so lucky and maybe u dont deserve this but life is not always fair. stop complaining and enjoy. many guys woud die to be in your position

mixedmedia

I agree with the folks that this story is titillating. And in a man-movie like The Hangover or something, it would be a dream come true sort of scenario. A real back-slapper.

You didn't mention her age, but since she recently lost her virginity I'm going to assume she is young.

Personally, this scenario would raise all kinds of red flags for me. Not only in relation to her mental and physical health and security, but your own. How well do you really know this person? Her family?

I know what makes her the way she is. And it is a tendency not always expressed in ways that ensure your own best interest, in ways that won't harm you. Especially when you are young and inexperienced.

Sorry to be all wet blanket-like and piss all over the pussy party, but if this were your son or your younger brother would you be as gung ho about telling him to just fuck her like she likes it and not worry about it?

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Cimarron29414

+1 kramus. I prefer erotic literature in the style of Levite.

I suppose I will attempt to give advice: If you don't get more experimental with her, she will get bored and move to someone else. You need to weigh how important this life experience is to you and determine if you are going to take this journey with her.

That and, "Double bag it."

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The_Jazz

MM, I get your point, but I don't know that I agree. It seems to me that you're assuming some sort of past trauma is driving her behavior. Now, maybe you're right. But maybe you're wrong too. I'll conceed that you know a lot more about dom/sub stuff than I do, but I don't really see any danger signs outside of the desire to be a sub.

I also don't think that he necessarily needs to "fix" her. Granted, the campsite doctrine is definitely in play here (he's required to leave her in better shape than he found her), but I don't see much reason to think that there are deep-seated psychological issues at play here. Maybe there are but that's just a guess.

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mixedmedia

There are always deep-seated psychological issues at play in dom/sub scenarios. Even though a person may not be totally aware of them at the time. It is, in itself, a deep-seated psychological issue.

I am not assuming that this girl is damaged. But I think considering that she might be is a healthier and more considerate way to approach this than assuming she is not. After all, *we* don't know anything about it other than a couple of paragraphs. I wouldn't want to give anyone the impression that this is always a happy playtime scenario because, if you are talking about the real world, a significant percentage of times that is not going to be the case.

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Plan9

...and I thought you were a clairvoyant.

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The_Jazz

If we've got any surprises for each other, I don't think either one of us is in much shape to do anything about it.

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Plan9

How did I ever live without you?

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The_Jazz

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GK.12.3

She's 21. I'm 23. She comes from a very traditional Conservative Korean family and is the only child. Making things short, her parents kept a close eye on her all these years. The buddy that introduced me to her confirms the following since he tutored her for 2 years and knows a lot about her family dynamics.

She has had maybe one or two guys in the past. Don't think I need to double bag it but I sure will wrap it before I tap it. She tells me the first person she blew was my buddy (who tells me he popped her cherry) and that her Korean boyfriend who supposedly popped her cherry wasn't into oral sex... I still don't know whether my buddy fucked her or not (here I go with the titillating language again) but I can confirm that he bailed out on her a couple of times due to a very busy personal schedule. This is the reason he referred her to me and I think she is pretty happy now that, according to her, we are each others' exclusive fuck buddies and she can get what she wants. That being said, from my personal experience, Asian girls pretend to be timid but deep down inside they love to fuck. I say this because their families migrate to the United States and keep their traditional Conservative roots from way back home. And what do these girls want to do? Blend in. Assimilate.

I am not a psychologist or a psychiatrist but I do have a psychology degree and I don't sense anything wrong with her. And as much as kramus thinks I'm an asshole , I would never take advantage of a woman. I mean, look at me now, she seems completely fine to me and here I am thinking twice about fulfilling her sexual needs to be 'dominated.' A couple of days ago, I told her to just be herself and she told me flat out that perhaps she should cut down on all of the porn she has been watching. Due to her inexperience, and her willingness to watch porn to perhaps gain experience, I think she may be glorifying what she sees on the internet as the norm for sexual activity. On top of that, I think this little secretive life she is living that many timid Asian girls do not live totally turns her on. She always tells me about the sorority she is in and how awesome it is to be a little slut on the sidelines while the whole world thinks of her as a little angel.

I come from a very traditional Conservative culture as well and agree with her when she says that the stuff we do together, we will probably never have the chance to do with someone of our culture whom we love and want to spend our lives with. Why? Because, it just doesn't feel right. The stuff we are doing now is flat out dirty. This is stuff that is found in porn, not the bedroom.

Regarding the whole submissive/domination thing, I am making psychological adjustments myself to keep my dick hard and shut the fuck up. I sent her a bullshit text about how I had a dream of fucking her blindfolded and she totally loved it so I guess I'm just making it hard on myself than it really is. At least she is not expecting me to tie her to my bed and put on a werewolf mask or something along those lines...

Time for the boss to keep his mouth shut. Like she said, "If I don't give her a raise, she might start looking for another job."

Gk.12.3 over and out.

P.S. Thanks for all of your advice everyone.

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dlish

ha! you have no idea do you...

that's a massive generalisation about asian girls. what do you consider asian? asia spans all the way to the doors of africa. surely you didnt mean that all these girls from the far east all the way to saudi 'pretend to be timid but just love to fuck'. surely.

as for assimilation, are you implying that as a way to assimilate they just want to fuck and be treated like sluts?

i think you need to go out and meet more people dude. you're 23. but having a phychology degree doesnt give you the insight into asian girls, or women, or immigrants for that matter.

and for the record, i dont think kramus thinks you're an asshole. he just thinks you could better communicate your story better if you cut back on the vulgarity. it's in your best interest. not his. he also happens to an authority on asian women and has had more asian than you'd have in a lifetime. listen to him.

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Seaver

Ugh... don't be a douche.

I think that last post gave me cancer.

Honestly man you sound like an 8th grader talking about how "he totally had his hand up Sarah's shirt last weekend!". Sexuality should be explored and encouraged, but with a definite level of maturity beyond discussing "double-bagging" a girl after 2 partners.

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Plan9

Also: YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO SAY 'OVER' AND THEN 'OUT.' PICK ONE, DAMNIT.

Over means you're passing the convo, out means you initiated and you're done.

/head essplodes

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gooder

Two young adults with not much experience. I get that. It is a shame she has to dissassociate herself so far from her real norm in order to do new and nasty things. She sounds like one very determined young lady. In another time her manuals would have been Alex Comfort's books on sex and lovemaking. She would be enjoying herself and pleasing you much more. Now it is porn for a guide, gagging, and so on. I doubt that she is really enjoying herself very much. I suspect she would really rather be having the real pleasure she seeks but just does not know how to get there outside of the traditional roles that have ruled her life since birth. This sounds like it is between her and her not you and her. But what do I know? If it was possible and I were in your shoes I would take over in a different way aiming towards genuine escalating mutual pleasure without all the porn dramatics. The regular nuts and bolts good sex can be an ongoing great experience that will develop its own special enjoyments as you go along. I figure you have this in mind already and are sort of manipulating for someone to say just what I am saying for some God knows what the fuck reason.

GK.12.3

What do you really think?

In this case, I refer Asian to Koreans (since that is what she is). Generally speaking, it is very difficult for individuals with conservative roots to blend with individuals with liberal roots, the same way it is very difficult for individuals from collectivist societies to blend in with individuals from individualist societies.

Not using porn as an example but look at how Asian girls (Koreans, Chinese, Japanese, etc.) portray themselves in pornography. Even she says they are prudish and seem to not be willing to conform (she claims to be just the opposite and takes pride in that).

No, I am not implying that assimilation = fucking and being called a slut. But I can assure you that she feels really tingly deep down inside when she sits at the dinner table and her parents look at her and think she is this angel deep down inside... She always talks about just that which makes me think she gets a kinky satisfaction out of it (which to me is a satisfaction caused by a sense of rebellion). At that point, she has already assimilated outside of her culture and if it's sex that helps her get to that point, then, all the power to her I guess. I hope this answers your question, to a certain extent. No, I don't think fucking, sucking, gagging and deepthroating are the ultimate and only ways to assimilate . I guess for some, there aren't many alternatives after all which is pretty sad.

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Read the thread carefully. I wasn't the one who suggested it. I'm still the guy not wanting to believe that this girl is a whore/slut/skank/trash...

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Hey GK - just thought I'd pop into the thread to address a couple of things because I saw my name has been coming up.

1) nothing you've said here, neither content nor style of delivery, has made me uncomfortable. Puzzled, a bit. Distracted, perhaps. Not entirely impressed - I have to admit to that one. No discomfort though. As I said in my original post, I've delved rather thoroughly into the more robust forms of delivery and the graphic, explicit modes of expression. That stuff really doesn't faze me in the least. I can modestly state that I can outporn-talk most anyone I know. Not a real claim to fame perhaps, but not a bluff either.

2) I don't think you're an asshole. You may be a bit uncertain as to how to present some things, and it may take a few more trips up and down the ladder to feel more settled when it comes to dealing with and expressing thoughts about your experiences outside of your comfort zone. I do wish you'd take a bit more time to be sure that you yourself read what is in a thread before you do a public fan dance about what you think you've read. We all can try to remember that one. I'm as guilty as the next guy about locking onto some interpretation that really isn't supported by the posts. Then again, this is the web. TFP may have more posters who actually try to respond in a thoughtful way to most any serious issue than you'll find elsewhere, but we can all get our dander up upon occasion.

I just didn't want your OP to get lost in the noise in the signal, so to speak. True, the noise in the signal was actually a big part of the signal, signifying a searching for ways to express or frame what was for you a new way of interacting. In the end I think it (excessive vulgarity when talking about sexual matters) is a bit less successful than what you've been using in your later posts in this thread.

I think so long as the young lady and yourself can find a way to be really hot together without over-reliance on bizzarro porn formulae you will be fine. Hardcore is very cool, dom/sub very hot, but they are part of a spectrum of interaction and not the only colour there is.

my .02

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