Strippers=Hookers?
 

So I went to a strip club tonight. I always feel uncomfortable there; but there is a commercial dancer at my school who does it on the side. I told her I'd go see her (jokingly) and she dropped by my place tonight and dragged me out with her.

I get there, strippers are being strippers, approaching me, etc and Julia sends a cute one over to me who says no charge and pulls me upstairs. [Dance break]. I'm back downstairs and another comes up to me and by then I'd had a few beer in me and I say "fuck it, why not".

As soon as I get upstairs she covers up the "no ANYTHING" sign and tells me she does extras. I'm shocked. It must of been clear because she tells me that everyone does it. "Do you want to fuck?".

I'm good, thanks.

But what the fuck, guys? Is this normal? I must admit my strip club experience is limited but I've never had this happen?

So has this ever happened to you? And any strip club experiences to share? I feel like a goddamn 15 year old kid.

All I can say is....

what happens in vegas, stays in vegas

and in NYC

there are underground clubs where you can get lapdances that last 45 minutes for $20, and some places for $10 you can stick a finger in.

you can find strippers that give 'extras' all over. it's pretty common. does that make them hookers? yeah, pretty much. but i think the line between a no-extra's stripper and a hooker is pretty grey to begin with. both perform sex acts for money.

It's not outside of the norm. Still, there are many strippers that only strip. I don't particularly like strip clubs, but I've been to a few and I was offered an intriguing deal at one. I respectfully declined. I can't imagine agreeing to it.

In Australia, I've seen them have a live sex show on stage with someone the girl randomly picked out of the crowd. And she did it every 90 minutes at least 4 or 5 times while I was there. She was pretty good looking (no one here would have turned her down outside of the club), but I didn't par take or even wanted to partake in the activities there even though there was no extra cost. I don't know if that was an isolated incident or something that happens more often outside of Kings Cross/Sydney.

In Canada, they can offer stuff on the side. I may have to investigate this, but I'm not too interested in taking part in it.

In Vegas, I must have gone to a crappy club. It wasn't very good. And there was nothing extra going on, and there was so much smoke and the lights were so low you couldn't make out much of anything else.

In Ohio, even though there may be a 6 foot rule, the place I've been it was more like 6mm. Or whatever the thickness of the fabric of your pants is. It was pretty much simulated sex or dry humping with your clothes on, but she was naked. It was really hot and just what I was looking for.

They all bleed the same...

Hahahahaha..... they really do.

If they're on the pill, they know which days to take off.

I never had been to a strip club yet... curious though
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I admit it is very hot & tempting ...

They were referencing American Psycho... not a menstrual cycle.

I wasn't aware strippers offer sexual services for money. Doesn't this make them nothing more than hookers who happen to actually hold down a real job? Strange.

I never thought hookers are less than strippers
or strippers are more than hookers

I've been to a strip club once, and the one time I did go, it was pretty much enough to convince me to never go again. Colorado has two types of strip clubs: no booze, all nude and booze, topless only. For some reason my friend from high school and me and a friend of ours decided at about 1:00 AM that it would be fun to go to a strip club. Why? Who knows, but off we went.

First we went to a booze+topless only place, but last call was at 1:45, so that didn't really last long. Then we went to a non-booze+all nude place, which stay open on weekends until some ungodly hour. 5? 6? Anyway, so we're sitting there watching girls get naked, turning down private room dances. Some of the girls are pretty cute, and it was generally entertaining.

And then we saw a girl we went to high school with. And not that hot cheerleader that everyone hoped would become a stripper. No no. The awkward, quiet girl in the corner with unbrushed hair, thick glasses and shapeless clothing. Now, to her credit, she did look much better than she did in high school, but she didn't look "CAN I PLEASE SEE YOU NAKED NOW?!?" good. And the cognitive dissonance was almost too much for my brain to bear.

Fortunately, I'm pretty sure she only recognized my friend and didn't recognize me, so phew on that one. None of us were propositioned that night, though. And my buddy who goes to strip clubs regularly in Vegas says he hasn't been, either. Obviously it happens once in a while, but I don't think you can count on it being part of the deal...assuming that's what you're looking for in the first place.

I don't think it's strange.

Choosing stripping as a career would sound like something one would do to make some good cash while paying the least amount of taxes.

I'd imagine that if one were in it for the money, there would be some that would do anything to take advantage and try to make a little more supplemental income off the books.

Some, sure. But not all.

A good friend of mine swears she's quit stripping forever, despite the excellent money she was making at it. REALLY beautiful girl, I don't doubt for a second that she did as well as she says she did. But she's given it up because the culture around the clubs in our area has changed--the rules have gotten lax and, as she says, "I don't want strangers touching me."

By the way, strippers are in it for the money. Nobody's a stripper because they really like performing--those people do community theater. Strippers are in it for the money, and a visitor to a club forgets that at the peril of his wallet.

I've never been offered anything extra, but then again I never pay the big bucks to get into the back room either.

A long time ago, back in the age of dinosaurs, not only before there was a The_Wife and even before there was a The_Girlfriend, there was The_Jazz as a solo act. It was even more pitiful than what you see today.

The_Jazz, a man alone, went to San Francisco for business by himself. Business was done and good business was written. It was a glorious day. The business associates took The_Jazz to a nice dinner in downtown SF and then dropped him at his hotel. Being young and dumb, he decided to have a nightcap at the hotel bar. Interesting conversations took place and he found himself at a bar down the street. Another round followed, and The_Jazz decided to go back to the hotel for some well-deserved rest. Two or three wrong turns later, he found himself outside of the Mitchell Brothers Theater. Having heard of the Mitchell Brothers, he ventured inside. Again, being alone is key. There were several strippers in various stages of undress at different stages. He enjoyed the visual feast in front of him and was approached by several for "private" dancers. Eventually he was convinced by a nice young brunette.

Once back in the private curtain area, paid for in 20 minute blocks, he was handed a menu of options, printed and laminated, and advised that condoms were available.

Enough said.

I was under the impression that the 'extras' don't involve penetration? So does that still make them "hookers"? I am not quite sure. A good book to read if you're interested in a stripper's perspective is Candy Girl by Diablo Cody. She was an ex-stripper and she wrote a memoir. It's a quick read.

candy girl was a good read, but not really great for looking for a strippers perspective, imho. from what i've heard, she went into the stripping with the intent of writing the book, not because of any financial need but more to get famous, and (it's been awhile since i read it) i don't remember there really being all that much seedy about it. there's a book called "a strippers tail: confessions of a las vegas dancer" (yes, tale is spelled tail in it, and i could have the subtitle wrong) which paints a much more realistic version of what goes on in there from a strippers perspective. but for a memoir, diablo cody comes off much much more trustworthy as a narrator than the lady who wrote "tail." she (tail, not diablo) talks about all the bad stuff she saw the other girls doing but claims innocence herself, has horrible spelling and grammar problems (i don't think anyone edited it), and comes off as a pretty petty person. so i wouldn't really recommend reading 'a strippers tail', just that there's better stuff out there if you want a strippers perspective (and plenty of stuff by call-girls that are surprisingly well written).

Well, extras could involve handjobs. Or blowjobs. Or actual penetration. All were on the menu I saw. And I've been offered handjobs more than once, but I've never even thought about it because these days I'm in those places exclusively for work. Tough job, I know.

yes we know about the sheep story... :paranoid: oh wait that was the guy drinking with you, not you.

If you read the sheep story, you'll realize that everyone had their clothes on the whole time and that there were no women involved in it at all. We were just scammed into buying someone a pitcher with one of the most horrifying stories ever.

uhm... what do you do and how can i do it too? :surprised:

he's a nipple tweaker for the strip clubs, helps keeps those girls perky on stage.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...jlo_nipple.jpg

even JLo's got one.

I've been to strip clubs three times. They're not really my thing, as most of the girls are young enough to be my daughter. I might have been propositioned once, back when I was in my early 20s, but I'm not sure because the music was so damned loud I couldn't hear what she was trying to whisper in my ear.

I'm going to KILL my high school career counselor. :orly:

hang on a sec...wasnt there a diner story too??or have i muddled them up?

I used to attend over half the NBA Trailblazer games in PDX. My brother and I shared season tix. Most of the time I took an employee, on major games night my brother I both went. Often we'd have dinner at the one of the local strip clubs. A decent steak was like $3, turns out they make their money from tips- who knew? PDX has a large number of these clubs. Most of the clubs are very specific about "NO TOUCHING Dancers" and the quality of food surprisingly good. One night while with my brother we ventured into a club much closer to the arena. The food there sucked, but it turns out so did the dancers for an extra $30. I stuck with the crappy food.

It's official, this thread is hilarious. :lol:

My bachelor party has been described as a "crime against humanity". Suffice to say that some guests were experiencing interactions from multiple substances and the entertainment stayed 2 hours longer than booked. I mention it because recently learned that 3 of them (who inly hazily remember) were selling favors behind the bar (we were in the basement away from all the civvies). Apparently one of the strippers did a line of coke off of one of my coworker's cock.

I'm still conflicted on how I feel about that.

'line of coke off' means?
And why conflicted? :o

You think that's bad? My first concern upon reading this sentence was whether or not "coworker's" should have been plural. I don't think I'm jaded, I just think I'm used to having fun.

Shouldn't it be "co-worker's cocks"?

It's the "one of my" that kinda throws in a curve ball. I think the correct grammar is "Apparently one of the strippers did a line of coke off of one of my coworkers' cocks." Without the "one of my", it can remain singular: "Apparently one of the strippers did a line of coke off of my coworker's cock."

Hmm. I see it as "one of his cocks", using the singular coworker as reference point. But I see your rationale, too.

I'm blamin' it on The_Jazz for throwin' that curve.

Willravel's a fun guy. He can turn a thread about hookers and strippers into a grammar discussion. That said, I was thinking the same thing.

You know, it's always fun with the coke and hookers until the grammar nerds show up.

Christ, you guys are more concerned with the split preposition than you are the fact that there were guys tapping out bumps onto their members for the naked chicks. I will add you all to my ever-growing list of folks lost in the forest whilst looking for the trees.

*pats Jazz on the shoulder* I'm still here, Jazz. I don't judge.

It's not the last time that coke snorting whores have been referred to as the forest and I hope it won't be the last.

It warms my heart to hear you say that, bud.

That reminds me of that one time a prostitute did a line of coke off my warm heart. :thumbsup:

You call your cock your heart too.

Brothers in arms, that's what we are.

it certainly throbs at the same rate as his heart.

gives a new meaning to those t-shirts - i [heart] NY for example.

Wait, you had hookers around during your heart surgery? Either you're the king of pimps, or that was one shady-ass hospital.

OK guys and gals

I am a stripper, I've worked as a stripper for 2 and 1/2 years now (well cloer to 3 really). So I like to think I have some insider information on this subject.

Most strippers will do extras, what those extras consist of depends entirely on the club and the stripper. I will do toy shows, anal shows, close dances, lap dances and breast groping - I have strict rules though. For example if I'm doing a lap dance I have my thong on and the guy will have his pants on (and done up) and be sitting on his hands, NO TOUCHING. If he wants to touch that a different extra. For each extra that the guy, or group, wants they have to pay a set amount, that money goes to me as in directly into my pocket rather then being paid at the desk so that's ontop of what he would pay at the desk for a private show.

I won't do hand jobs. I won't do blow jobs. I won't let the customers finger me. I won't have sex (with anyone other then my current SO anyways).

Some of the girls I work with will, they all do handjobs for example as we do massages with a happy ending - I choose not to and my boss accepts my decision.

So to me yes there is a great difference between being a stripper and a pro, I have friends who are prostitutes / escorts and can't believe I strip. They think strippers get the hard end of the bargain, heaps of guys see me naked (when I work the peep show) for a low cost where as few guys see them naked and boy will it cost them. Strippers meanwhile seem to think Pros get the hard end of the stick (no pun intended) since strippers have the ability to choose who they want to touch and / or be touched by, in some establishments (aka brothels) pros don't get that choice.

Going back to the original OP however yes extras are the normal course of events, I don't know a single dancer / stripper who does private shows or massages and doesn't do extras of some kind.

I'm pretty open about my work (my SO knows about it, heck he buys me shoes and outfits for work) so if any of you have any questions feel free to ask, I'll do my best to answer.

Thanks for your candor. It is such a convoluted business. I guess my question is, how do you feel about the line they cross by doing what they do? Or do you think it's a line? Do you honestly not judge their decision? Or are you very cool with it?

And do you think there is a difference between a "prostitute" who solicits on the street and ones who work shop in a brothel or strip club?

I'll address the easier of your questions first. There is definitely a difference between a high class pro in a brothel and someone you find working on the streets (I don't know many if any professional prostitutes who search for clientele in strip clubs). I'm afraid this is definitely one of those situations where you get what you pay for, here atleast the better brothels require the women working for them to get a complete blood screening for STIs every 3 months.

From my last post you would have guessed I have a fair few friends who work as pros, according to them the brothels have alot of other expectations as well. Most of my friends work for Langtrees. They're expected to wear dresses (no trousers), have matching lingerie, manicure and pedicure, jewellry, matching shoes and handbag, make-up at all times and any extras. They are not like the women you see on TV in the skimpy outfits and ridiculous heels (though my work outfits sure resemble it)

Now you mentioned a line that can be crossed - I'm not quite sure what you mean. Do you mean how I feel about strippers that offer under the table favours?

Can't it be both?

Well do you feel morally opposed to it? Do you think less of them for doing it? Why do you disagree with it as opposed to agree with it?

If it's too personal then say so. You just said you were open to it. Otherwise I would be less forward.

I have no problems with questions Punk just wasn't sure if that was what you meant when you originally asked.

Depends on the extra that's offered, I feel strongly about those girls that offer blow jobs and sex at strip clubs while claiming to be a stripper because they lead customers to expect that at other places from other girls. More then anything else I feel strongly because the majority of them don't understand that oral sex is not safe sex. My last post I talked about how most actual sex workers get checked for STD's, I also know most strippers don't - we're not meant to be at risk, the fact that there may be a group of women (or men) out there having unprotected sex with multiple partners and risking their health and the health of the men and women they're with ... well that's irresponsible and dangerous.

BUT then you have the fact that people that will go out and pay a stripper for sex (if she's offering) would otherwise just be picking up a drunk girl / guy at a club and via that relationship be at risk for alot of the same diseases.

what I personally find alot more worrying (though with our security staff it's not an issue) is the girls that will allow themselves to be felt up out on the floor between shows, yes it earnes them extra business but it leads customers to thinking they can do that to any of us. I've had problems with that in the past.

So to sum up - no I wouldn't say I think less of them for doing it but I disagree with them doing so in strip clubs because of the health implications. Then again I've al;ready said alot of my friends are prostitutes as well so makes sense I wouldn't think less of a woman taking money for sex.

First of all thanks for your informative posts.

Second, this is part of what's screwed up in the US. You're in Australia where being a sex worker isn't illegal. They have sex workers, they regulate them and test them for STI's or STD's. In (most of) the US it is illegal, doesn't mean the US doesn't have sex workers, just means it's a cat and mouse game and there's no regulation or testing. I'm from the US but currently live in Mexico. Here it's legal as well, though there really isn't a difference between a strip club and brothel. Basically all the strip clubs are brothels. Here they test the workers on a regular basis, they issue heath cards etc... Of course I only know about one part of Mexico. Maybe it doesn't work that way in other states but here in the state of Yucatan that's how it works.

Every time the US gets in the business of regulating morality it doesn't work well, IMHO.

Yeah, that's exactly what my ex-stripper friend says too. She's out of the business now because none of the clubs around here actually enforce their "rules" about that. So a few girls get away with murder on the floor, and for all the rest it starts feeling very unsafe out there. Congrats on having a club that takes care of its dancers.

It isn't illegal to be a sex worker here no - it is however currently illegal in my state (or I think it still is - was in the works to be changed recently) to own and or operate a brothel. So rather then having the women in a somewhat safe establishment they would apparently prefer them out on the streets - odd I think so

Our 'enforcer' is a woman called Fi - and she is SCARY, I would never ever cross her. She's pretty harsh on that hands off policy - least when it comes to the customers, bending over at work will score you a slap on the ass by one of the other strippers. But yeah Fi is the type of woman that'll break your fingers for looking at her funny.

OMG.. does your Fi(e) ride horses?

The woman who lived in this apartment before me (who took care of the horses here) was named Fie.. and was apparently really scary. She was a body builder AND a cop AND was very harsh and just.. scary.

Hyacinthe, Thanks a lot. it is very useful reading.
I have also heard of male strippers in australia. They get hired even for bachelor-girls party. There too lines get crossed sometimes. you have comments?

Umm, that doesn't make a lot of sense.

But if a person wanted to work out of their home or a private residence set up as a place "of business" that would be alright?

isn't that common policy for most things now. Possession or the act (or some form of it) isn't illegal, it's the solicitation that is.

Seems silly. I guess they are trying to stop it at the roots, not trim the branches, so to speak. I don't think it works that way.

This is purely a curiousity question.

Do strippers get hot themselves while at thier work? Do they get erect nipples or wet down?

Do pros get orgasms while at their job?

merleniau I don't know if Fi rides horses - I should ask her, convince her to come for a ride with me after we finish work one day. Talk about a surreal experience.

Tully Mars I think it's if you have more then two sex workers working out of a residential building then it becomes classed as a brothel. Was a big hullabaloo a few months ago about a guy who dobbed his neighbours in for running a brothel out of the house next to his. Cops went and explained the law, they bought the house on the other side of the guy that complained and now 2 of them work out of there and 2 out of the original house, now he's in between two 'non-brothels'

CB

There are definitely male strippers and prostitues out there though they tend to be alot shyer about their profession, espceially the Pros. I think it's because they can't guarantee a career working solely with women, every male pro I have talked to has at some point worked with male customers. I think they're more afraid of admitting to their mates that they're gay or bisexual then they are admitting that they're a sex worker. None of the guys I know through the business have had any major problems, a few women will attempt to grope them while drunk or a guy might be a little rough but people seem to be alot less insistent with a large muscly guy (the ones I know are all about 6 foot and BIG) then they are with women, Fi being a notable exception.

I don't have any problems with male sex workers, my issues with them in no way differ from those I have towards women working in the industry, as long as they don't cause problems for the rest of the industry and behave in a safe responsible fashion no prob.

As for the other parts of your question - depends on the circumstances, yes sometimes strippers do get turned on at work. Think about it, you're lying / standing / sitting there for 6 - 10 hrs masturbating. Every now and then you're going to react to it and that's not including the guys / couples who want two girls, as I'm bisexual those shows are always a little extra bit of fun for me :p

Then you have the girls who are exhibitionists, we have 2 at work who most definitely are and they get off on being wanted by every customer that comes in (or most of them anyways). It's the perfect job for someone that needs to be found desirable because you're in a situation where guys KNOW you're unattainable (or close to, there's always a few that ask for your number or give you theirs)

Some of the Pros I know do get off at work but they actually try not to. Alot of women become MUCH more sensitive after an orgasm and that's not something you necessarily want when you've got half a shift left. At the same time I've heard some friends complaining about Johns being obsessed with making them orgasm and they're just not interested, all they want is for him to finish and move on. Kinda cuts both ways.

hyacinthe - thanks for the inside goss. not often you see advice 'from the inside' (no pun intended..really!

im originally from NSW and as a kid we had a brothel which was across the rd a few houses down. the house was next door to a facory and the plot zoning was zone industrial and that was ok. if it had been in a purely residential neighbourhood it would have been illegal. neighbours complained but council couldnt do anything.


in the end it closed not because it was shut down, but because the 'everyday average jane' ladies did a terrible job of looking after themselves and eventually run out of business.

[QUOTE=Hyacinthe;2537402][U]As for the other parts of your question - depends on the circumstances, yes sometimes strippers do get turned on at work. Think about it, you're lying / standing / sitting there for 6 - 10 hrs masturbating. Every now and then you're going to react to it and that's not including the guys / couples who want two girls, as I'm bisexual those shows are always a little extra bit of fun for me :p /QUOTE]

You mean the customers who come to the club masturbate in front of the strippers???

And do the strippers relax thier limits to girls or the couples (to the women)?

I had never been to a stripper club. My wife said we can go together if I want. But I am very nervous about it.

Well I was actually referring to the strippers masturbating in some way shape or form as opposed to the guys but yes the guys usually do. All strip joints here have tissues available pretty much everywhere for that reason (especially in the peep shows and private rooms).

As for the strippers view on girls / couples well that depends on the club. Where I am we generally take a couple as 1 customer (1 guy = 1 girl = 1 couple ) price wise. As for how the stripper will treat you - depends on where you go and the girl you choose. As long as you and the wife don't start laughing or something you should be alright - it really depends on what type of experience you're looking for. Only time I really get upset is when I have a group of girls that just sit the entire time and giggle or a group of drunk guys who don't understand touching is a no no.

We've actually got a girl at work who when a couple comes in insists that the girl get up and strip with her, a bit of the whole "I'll show you mine when you show me yours" type attitude

Don't be nervous :p strippers are just people. Go in there and talk to a few of them and then pick one you like.

Small tip for you - the girl you find the most physically attractive might not put on the best show. For example we do alot of private events (top less waitressing etc following by a strip / toy show ) Last one I went to there was 3 of us girls working there on the boat (fishing trip) Myself and Paris made alot more money then the 3rd girl working, Cleo, even though technically speaking Cleo is alot prettier simply because we got more tips and did more then take off our clothes and dance around a bit.

Take the girls aside (or atleast out of earshot of the counter) and ask about her extras. Make sure she does couples for example, don't do this near the counter because alot of these places techinically don't do those services. Where I work doesn't do more then 5ft away private shows for example.

Is this true in the US as well? I dont think I can take her to a place where most of them are jacking off in public. She will get mad at me.

that's interesting, i've been to several and always get dances, even though i understand it's a huge money sink. i usually end up having a conversation with the girls, but i've never been offered sex.

peep shows, i think so. but strip clubs, no. if anyone's got it out of their pants, it's cause the stripper took it out and is using it. and chances are they won't be in the most highly visible place if that happens.

This probably won't work out so well in the US either.

I've been to many strip clubs in the southern california area...

In my experience, 'extras' are offered at ALL clubs here. These extras can range from simple handjobs to full-on sex. I know of several clubs where one can walk in, negotiate a tip with the stripper, head to the back (the vip room), and engage in intercourse. Now, depending on the club, the price of extras can vary greatly and of course they also vary by sexual act.

Extras are absolutely available in Atlanta, Myrtle Beach, Tampa, Vegas, etc. It's pretty common. I've never partaken but I have good friends who are well versed.

which day of week and time is the best to visit a strip club? Especially for a first timer who wish to go with his gf/wife and would never like coming across violence, rudeness, etc... ? Any tips?
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first of all even finding one is difficult. I live near olympia WA and I could not locate any here in net.

Wa. has really hard strip club laws. There's a few in Seattle but they're basically topless only and don't serve alcohol. Couple hrs. south of you in Portland they are more club then almost anywhere else in the country. And their rules are pretty relaxed. Almost all club have security. Unruly customers are usually shown the door quickly. They disrupt the flow of cash.

Time of day? I'd go early evening myself. Maybe afternoon if it were my first time.

If she will be more comfortable in a crowd of people, i.e. less individual attention, then go Friday night. If she'd rather not have a lot of people around, go Sunday afternoon or any afternoon during the week.