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sound chaser · 07-30-2008, 04:01 PM

I was talking with some of gay friends about this. Its when two men rub their dicks against each other and come, instead of having anal penetration.

People who like frottage say that it's less likely to lead to HIV transmission, but one could still get genital warts from it. Even still i don't get some of the frottage arguments, like saying anal sex is not pleasurable and that it's degrading to the bottom. Can't the bottom get a prostate orgasm from anal sex? do many bottoms actually feel degraded at being penetrated? hIV is a valid point i guess, but I reckon it's a person's right to engage in risky behavior, as long as they can accept the consequences of their actions and not hurt anybody else.

so, if any gay guys are here, what say you about frottage?

levite · 07-30-2008, 09:46 PM

Just to clarify, technically, frottage is any act of rubbing the sexual organs against another person's body (exterior, not interior) in order to achieve sexual gratification. It can be done by men or women, rubbing against any body part. It is not specific to the act of men rubbing their penises together.

One who engages in frottage is a frotteur or frotteuse.

Acetylene · 08-02-2008, 07:03 AM

Anal sex between men as an expression of dominance and control began in prehistory and flourished as a social interaction in the Roman empire. Having anal sex with another man did not mean you were gay, in fact preferring men and having feelings for them had serious stigma, but anal sex between men was frequent. The man on top was in control and dominating the man on bottom, who was in the position of the female--and we all know women are inferior.

We haven't come very far since then. Being penetrated is still considred inferior by many, not because it's not as pleasurable (some would say the opposite) but because it's passive, receptive, and considered effeminate, as compared to the aggressive "yang" energy that a man is supposed to express by penetrating. The giver of oral is similarly being penetrated and there are many people who consider fellatio to be degrading as well.

I can see how for some couples who are particularly fixated on power dynamics, mutual frottage might be the only solution wherein the two parties could be equals. Another alternative could be 69 lying on their sides, or mutual masturbation.

On the other hand, more easygoing lovers may enjoy the power dynamic, take turns giving and receiving, or just not care about such things.

07-30-2008, 04:01 PM	#1 (permalink)
sound chaser Tilted	frottage I was talking with some of gay friends about this. Its when two men rub their dicks against each other and come, instead of having anal penetration. People who like frottage say that it's less likely to lead to HIV transmission, but one could still get genital warts from it. Even still i don't get some of the frottage arguments, like saying anal sex is not pleasurable and that it's degrading to the bottom. Can't the bottom get a prostate orgasm from anal sex? do many bottoms actually feel degraded at being penetrated? hIV is a valid point i guess, but I reckon it's a person's right to engage in risky behavior, as long as they can accept the consequences of their actions and not hurt anybody else. so, if any gay guys are here, what say you about frottage?

07-30-2008, 09:46 PM	#2 (permalink)
levite Minion of Joss Location: The Windy City	Just to clarify, technically, frottage is any act of rubbing the sexual organs against another person's body (exterior, not interior) in order to achieve sexual gratification. It can be done by men or women, rubbing against any body part. It is not specific to the act of men rubbing their penises together. One who engages in frottage is a frotteur or frotteuse. __________________ Dull sublunary lovers love, Whose soul is sense, cannot admit Absence, because it doth remove That thing which elemented it. (From "A Valediction: Forbidding Mourning" by John Donne)

08-02-2008, 07:03 AM	#3 (permalink)
Acetylene Addict Location: under a rock	Anal sex between men as an expression of dominance and control began in prehistory and flourished as a social interaction in the Roman empire. Having anal sex with another man did not mean you were gay, in fact preferring men and having feelings for them had serious stigma, but anal sex between men was frequent. The man on top was in control and dominating the man on bottom, who was in the position of the female--and we all know women are inferior. We haven't come very far since then. Being penetrated is still considred inferior by many, not because it's not as pleasurable (some would say the opposite) but because it's passive, receptive, and considered effeminate, as compared to the aggressive "yang" energy that a man is supposed to express by penetrating. The giver of oral is similarly being penetrated and there are many people who consider fellatio to be degrading as well. I can see how for some couples who are particularly fixated on power dynamics, mutual frottage might be the only solution wherein the two parties could be equals. Another alternative could be 69 lying on their sides, or mutual masturbation. On the other hand, more easygoing lovers may enjoy the power dynamic, take turns giving and receiving, or just not care about such things. __________________ There's no justice. There's just us.