Kpax

I'm pretty new to sex, as you might've ascertained.

My question is about escorts. Is there really an 'unofficial' implication to it, and if so, why are there still so many women getting busted for curbside prostitution? Why don't they just advertise themselves as escorts, or is it that the real majority of escorts have a "platonic" evening?

I'm just wondering what the catch is because I see tons of advertisements for it, a supposed loophole around the law from it, and yet a lot of people getting into trouble for mixing money with sex in a less discreet way.

Oh, and then I also know of a ton of lonely guys who complain about inactivity. If it's there, why isn't it bigger than it is, or am I missing something? Is it more risky than anyone cares to mention?

I'm just wondering.

I don't see the FBI taking down the millions of printed and Internet ads, but at the same time I still see movies like "40 Year Old Virgin" and "Roadtrip," as if the industry either doesn't exist, or is only for those willing to risk huge legal ramifications just for inquiring, so none of it makes sense.

telekinetic

I'm not sure I understand your question, but I did write a report on prostitution for a social studies class a while ago, so I'll my best to address the various points:

There is no such thing as a platonic escort. Escort = prostitute. Plenty of people get in trouble for escorting, too...there isn't a loophole, they are just playing the odds, and being careful. The cops know what escorting is, but can't bust them unless the explicitly offer money for sex, either over the phone or in person.

If you're "smart" about it, I've heard that there is more risk from significant others than law enforcement. The girls are taking much more of a risk than the clients.

Why would the FBI care about small time prostitution operations? That's the job for local vice squads, who, from what I have read, seem to enforce the law with varying degrees of vigor depending mostly on whether an elected official is trying to get re-elected or not. "Escorting" doesn't get reported to the police like street walking does, as it is not an eyesore, and doesn't involve anyone but the prostitute and client, so who is going to report it?

My advice to you, and my answer to your implied question? Stay away from the Erotic Services section of craigslist until you have a little more experience and can make an informed decision, or risk permanently destroying any hope you have of having a healthy relationship with your sexuality.

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SecretMethod70

Quoted for truth.

I'll answer your OP anyway though. I can't say I know, but I suspect that street walkers are generally lower class and cheaper (and higher risk). I wouldn't be surprised if, in a number of ways, many of them aren't good enough or attractive enough to be escorts. Think of it as the difference between the heroin addict who is prostituting for drug money and the single mother who is prostituting so that she can pay for her kid's education. I could be wrong, but that's my guess.

As for the movies, this may be a shock to you but they're fake. If it doesn't serve the plot, it doesn't exist. I hope you don't also believe that when two cars get into a head-on collision, they explode with a giant fireball.

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abaya

You clearly need to stop watching movies and get yourself into counseling.

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The_Jazz

There is a difference between "street walkers" and "escorts". Usually, that's the money you're going to spend, but not always, especially if you're dealing with an "escort service". If you paid attention to any of the Spitzer stuff, you might have caught on.

"Street walkers" are prostitutes, pure and simple. They are going to blow you, fuck you, whatever. They are going to try to part you from your money as quickly as possible and get back out on the street to get the next guy. They are in the volume business, and generally speaking they are severely damaged human beings at the bottom of society living miserable lives. Sex of any kind with them is dangerous from a health and a safety standpoint. A guy like you would not last long in that world. You need to stay away.

"Escorts" are a little different and generally are not in the volume business. They charge much higher rates ($50 per visit vs. minimum of $200) and do not see as many clients/customers/johns. Many of these align themselves with "escort services" since they work infrequently and find it easier to let someone else make the booking. That said, just because you order up a girl from an escort service does not mean that you're getting laid. As we saw in the Spitzer revalations, escorts will refuse clients. It doesn't happen often, but it does happen. So if you call a $500 call girl/escort, don't expect that she's going to jump your bones. If she doesn't like you or thinks that you're smelly or too fat or whatever, she may spend the hour with you and split. And that's perfectly legal. If that's what you meant by "loophole", don't think that it doesn't work both ways. From a safety standpoint, dealing with an escort is much better than a street walker since she's much less likely to be aggressively violent or mentally ill, but from a health standpoint, you are still running huge risks.

The FBI got involved with Spitzer for very specific reasons, none of which would pertain to you. Vice cops do arrest street walkers fairly often because they're a blight on a community, but they don't usually mess too much with escorts (either independents or services) because it's an invisible crime (in that you could live next door to either and never know what's going on).

Kpax, this is all meant as education. The sex industry exists and services folks from all walks of life, from migrant workers paying $25/pop up to guys like Spitzer that paid over $1000/hour. Street walkers are almost always drug addicts at the bottom of their disease, and few have the education or means to access the internet, let alone create their own website.

And here in Chicago a few months ago, a massage parlor got busted for prostitution (what a friend of mine refers to as a "wax and wash joint"), and the police discovered that the prostitutes were filming themselves with their clients without the clients' knowledge and posting it on the internet.

To summarize - you can get injured or killed by a street walker. You can also get lots of diseases. An escort won't necessarily fuck you and you can also get lots of diseases. And it could all go on the internet.

Friend, go find some normal women somewhere that's not your church or your job. I'm sure they're out there. Make friends with them and promise yourself you'll never fantasize about them so that you can start to form some normal female relationships. Please. We're all rooting for you, but this is just getting ridiculous.

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Tully Mars

Ditto

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Glory's Sun

there's a reason that movies like the ones mentioned are in the COMEDY section..

Willravel

This is why. Escort means a cheap little POS that will barely do what you've paid for it to do and that will likely konk out before you've finished what you're doing.

sapiens

Huh? Media representations of escorts/prostitutes are probably not a good source of accurate information, but I don't see how his post demonstrates a need for counseling.

Glory's Sun

the counseling post probably comes from the extensive drama laid out in his past journal..

World's King

Doesn't matter what they call themselves.



I'm still gonna beat 'em to death with a tire iron.

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Tully Mars

Tire iron? Dude that's sick!

I always use a chainsaw.

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Willravel

Every time that I think you've reached the pinnacle of excellence in contributing beautiful and intelligent thoughts to TFP, you somehow manage to surpass it. You, sir, are an inspiration.

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james t kirk

Nice, if anyone needs counseling, it's you, and not the original poster.

A budding Robert Picton.

Do you own a pig farm by any chance?

I love the judgement spewing forth on this thread. Given comments like the above, it would be my sincere hope that this thread be deleted now.

Ditto

And ditto again.

abaya

Yep. If you haven't read it, then you don't have the full picture.

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tecoyah

I must surmise from your history in posting, as well as journals, that you need someone to pay attention to you. Also if we take you at all seriously (and I myself do not) that you likely fit several police profiles that would place you in a high risk sexual offender category.
I recommend you become gay...as a means to protect the women I personally hold so dear in my heart. In this way society will simply call you deviant due to homosexuality ('cause society sucks), and when you finally flip, acting on the warped concept of sex you seem to have...no one will notice.

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Tully Mars

Alrighty then... you guys weren't kidding. What a read!

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JumpinJesus

While I understand the frustration, we should be discussing the topic and not the poster. Please refrain from making personal comments.

Now, to answer the question: I can't really say. I've never gone to a prostitute nor have I ever hired an escort. I think it's because with an escort, sex is not what you're paying for (wink wink). You're paying for their company, but with a prostitute, sex is exactly what you're paying for.

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Tully Mars

My bad

And I disagree. You can call it whatever you want but when escorts have sex with you it is prostitution... no wink wink about it.

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cadre

In theory I think it's like the difference between a companion and a partner. Though, it would seem that's not how it works out.

Both groups often get arrested for solicitation, so it's not like one is less targeted. Street pros are more obvious though.

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jewels

A good friend of mine worked herself through nursing school as an escort, so I wanted to clarify some common misconceptions.

They are contracted to escort a gentleman. Period. The women are actually advised not to engage in sex (contractually, I actually saw the verbiage) and that anything they choose to do after the contracted time is up to them.

What she learned quickly is that some really just need someone on their arm to attend specific functions. There are those that call for "company". In those cases, she would generally end up having sex with the guy because he'd pay for some hours, but she knew if she just got it over with, she'd be home in less than two.

I remember one specific night, we were out clubbing in the old disco days, and I was waiting for her downstairs in her car on Miami's Brickell Avenue (downtown nouveau super riche). She'd been invited to a party. After about 30 minutes, she called me to come upstairs. I had told her I would not be comfortable with that and she promised me there was no sex involved. There were probably 10 or 15 people there, cutting lines of coke and drinking and laughing. Anyway, we partied for a couple of hours and left. And she got paid by her agency for the whole night.

Anyway, I just thought you should know. It depends on the gentleman's intentions and what the lady is willing to go along with. Granted, it's probably assumed that sex will be involved more times than not, but never ever make assumptions either way.

DISCLAIMER: The above events occurred in a different lifetime and have no likeness to anything beyond the year 1984.

Oh, and that's why Escorts aren't called Prostitutes. Prostitutes are actually hired for sex, escorts are hired for the purpose of escorting. Technically speaking, that is.

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Tully Mars

Ah, but I was so much older then,
I'm younger than that now...

I honestly believe that maybe how things worked in 1984. Today with the Internet the term Escort almost always means money=sex. I say almost always because I think there might well be a few legit, high end, services out there but they are out numbered something like 9 to 1, IMHO... maybe more.

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JumpinJesus

Ah, so only us old people who remember 1984 as an actual year we lived through think of escorts as actual escorts? Is that what you're saying?

Yeah, I got your number all right.





I'm only kidding, as you must obviously know.

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Tully Mars

After 18 years in law enforcement I can honestly say I never heard of any escorts not providing sex, of course if they weren't providing sex they might not show up on our radar. So???

I do remember a call where a guy called in to complain he was "ripped off" by an escort. I believe the dispatch officer took pity on him and explained the law to him rather then send an officer out to "take his complaint."

The guy that called in to report his neighbor stole his pot wasn't so lucky.

On a side note a guy I worked with, real dirt bag, got caught in a "sting" in Portland, Or... in his state vehicle. His running partner is currently doing 25 years for having sex with teenage boys.

One of the many things I learned on that job was that often the line between the people with the keys and those without the keys is very fine at times.

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james t kirk

Ah dunno about that.

In the escort world in Toronto, the women are paid for sex. Very few men would be interested in paying a woman strictly for her company, if at all.

Never the less, the law in Canada allows paying a woman for sex provided that she comes to your place, or your hotel. Totally legal.

If she's soliciting on the street, or working out of a house (common bawdy house) she can be arrested since that is illegal.

Truth be told, the cops here will generally turn a blind eye to the sex industry as long as everyone is over the age of 18, and there is nothing else illegal going on. If there is a complaint about street walkers, they will take action, but no complaints, they generally leave it alone.

Canadians tend to be more like Europeans in their attitudes towards sex and morality and we've adopted a "what you do with your own time is your business attitude"

jewels

Hey, watch your tongue, little boy.

She graduated before 1984. I was just sayin' ...

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telekinetic

Yeah...this doesn't apply anymore. Escort = sex for money, with the printed wink-wink caveat that you're paying for time only, so you can't get arrested for your ad.

I'm not saying this wasn't the case when your friend did it, but if that does still exist, it isn't called escorting anymore.

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Punk.of.Ages

I've known a few people who either currently or at one time operated an escort service. Behind closed doors they indeed refer to themselves as pimps. Maybe in 1984 there were a lot of legit escort services, but, as far as my experience provides, that's a thing of the past.

My assumption on the reason there are still "street-walkers" out there is because most escort services are pretty selective about the girls they employ as far as looks go, and some women just end up out on the street under a less than gentleman-like pimp due to shitty situations.

As far as why I don't personally turn to prostitution, there's two reasons:
1)I like my penis and the condition it's currently in.
2)I can't have sex with a girl unless I know she's into me. If the prostitute was into me, I wouldn't have to pay.

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Woah, back up a bit ... OLD?!

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Sweetpea

Whatever you call it, no matter which country it's happening in... women (and some men) selling their bodies are either forced into the situation due to circumstance or women who are mentally unhealthy... Granted, I am sure there are the few women who do it and enjoy their work, but I truly think that is in the minority.

either way, I would get them into social services and get them the help they need, not have sex with them.

I see using escorts or whatever one likes to call individuals in that job description as taking advantage of women (and some men) who are in a very dark place in their life... I wouldn't feel good about myself if I used their services, that's my personal feeling.

I would rather have sex in a relationship with my gf, who cares about me, than a stranger... any day.

as to the couseling comment, I just think you haven't thought these things through maybe...

thanks,

sweetpea

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Kpax

Wow! Thanks for all of the answers so far. I haven't read them all yet, but lemme start off by saying that wikipedia's definition is vague, plus, since they (the law) seem to allow these "businesses" to stay open, (they aren't constantly moving or changing name), my real wonder was if you could get in trouble by simply calling one, and seeing if she even shows up. That isn't "proof of intent," is it?

I mean, if this is all true, then they're lying when they say it's only legal in Nevada.

jewels

One more thing for you, KP. Check out this link. It tells you about escorts services and all the things you've asked about.

http://sex.perkel.com/escort/index.htm

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