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Shauk 01-27-2008 03:47 PM

Women and Anal Sex
 
Stumbled across this in some guys signature on another forum


Quote:

Women get tattooed, pierced, giving birth to children, fixing eyebrows, waxing of legs, getting facial and tit operations ... and then they won't have anal sex because it hurts?!?!?!

I had to laugh cuz there is a little bit of truth to that.

My guess would be maybe it has more to do with feeling degraded or taking more trust to let your partner do that with you. To stretch the piercinsg analogy, I wouldn't let just anyone pierce me.

Hrm, hrm... stuff to think about I spose.

abaya 01-27-2008 04:03 PM

Hmph, I haven't done ANY of those things that the guy said that "women do" in his signature... but I do love me some anal sex, lemme tell ya! :crazy: And it DOESN'T hurt, if it's done right.

But then again, ktspktsp and I have a pretty rockin' relationship, and I think that has a lot to do with my/our attitude towards anal. I would have never let any of my previous boyfriends anywhere near my ass (or any other orifice, come to think of it), honestly.

Plan9 01-27-2008 04:49 PM

Uhm... you've been hanging out with the wrong kind of women, bro.

I'd rather have a lady who enjoys the former and avoids tacky body mods and surgical aspects of the latter.

It suggests someone who's less superficial and more in touch with their body.

SecretMethod70 01-27-2008 08:48 PM

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... and then they won't have anal sex because it hurts?!?!?!
You're doing it wrong.

mixedmedia 01-27-2008 09:02 PM

I haven't noticed a preponderance of babes around here who refuse to indulge in anal sex.

Sometimes you gotta learn to play to your audience. :)

james t kirk 01-27-2008 09:29 PM

In my experience it's about 50 50 as to whether or not a woman will surrender the marble peach.

I've met women who LOVE anal, I've met women who won't even consider it. The worst are the ones who tell you that they are into it but when push comes to shove (pun intended) they shut the door.

As far as the humiliation angle (anal, facials, GS, CIM, BDSM, etc) sex is sometimes served best when it's degrading and humiliating (and yes that applies to men as well). The trick is to realize that it's all just fun and games and then go for it.

allaboutmusic 01-28-2008 12:25 AM

Women put up with the pain in those other things (tattoing, waxing etc) because it is an uncomfortable means to an end that they deem worth the suffering. I'd guess that most women of the women you refer to simply don't believe they'd get anything worthwhile out of anal sex.

Plan9 01-28-2008 05:06 AM

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Originally Posted by SecretMethod70
You're doing it wrong.

By the way, I absolutely love it when a voice of authority shares with me this simple pearl of wisdom. :D

I can't wait to impart such knowledge when I am of significant learnedness.

ruggerp11 01-28-2008 07:22 AM

You just have to find the right woman. Then anything is open to being tried.

"Honey, close your arm... I'm going for the armpit"
-_- ...*shrug* "ok"

jewels 01-28-2008 07:31 AM

Nah. It's all about the man. If he knows what it takes to get her going, she'll not only trust him, but natural lube will do the job, pain-free, and she'll be open to just about anything.

abaya 01-28-2008 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by jewels443
Nah. It's all about the man. If he knows what it takes to get her going, she'll not only trust him, but natural lube will do the job, pain-free, and she'll be open to just about anything.

Well, I agree, but I think it's even moreso all about the relationship itself... do you trust each other? Do you like to try new things? Do you have any fears of the other person doing something to hurt you, even accidentally?

But I also know that sometimes, anatomically, it doesn't always work. Usually this is where ShaniFaye would come in and tell us that while she's open to pretty much everything, anal just doesn't feel good for her, and she's tried it. In those cases, it's not the people involved, it's just their particular anatomy, I think. But I think that is fairly rare... usually it's a psychological or emotional problem between the two people involved.

jewels 01-28-2008 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by abaya
Well, I agree, but I think it's even moreso all about the relationship itself... do you trust each other? Do you like to try new things? Do you have any fears of the other person doing something to hurt you, even accidentally?

I was actually agreeing with your earlier post :shy: What I meant when I said
"If he knows what it takes to get her going, she'll not only trust him ..."

I meant to infer that it takes trust (both ways) to achieve the kind of intimacy to know what it takes. We all have the same "parts" but we all respond and operate just a little bit differently :D

Boiled down: I totally agree with you. :)

ShaniFaye 01-28-2008 09:08 AM

why is it such a big deal if it hurts some of us? The pain of all the stuff mentioned in the OP is NOTHING compared to the pain of anal sex for me, and lord knows I've tried it many times with many people and followed all the "steps" for doing it right....it hurts me...end of story

just like there are some guys that enjoy anal stuff and some that dont

why the hell should I waste my pleasure time with something that is painful to the point of making me cry?

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Originally Posted by abaya
Well, I agree, but I think it's even moreso all about the relationship itself... do you trust each other? Do you like to try new things? Do you have any fears of the other person doing something to hurt you, even accidentally?

But I also know that sometimes, anatomically, it doesn't always work. Usually this is where ShaniFaye would come in and tell us that while she's open to pretty much everything, anal just doesn't feel good for her, and she's tried it. In those cases, it's not the people involved, it's just their particular anatomy, I think. But I think that is fairly rare... usually it's a psychological or emotional problem between the two people involved.

lol I didnt see this until after I replied....and you're right....I enjoy LITTLE toys and fingers, but dicks banging in and out of my ass fucking hurts....a LOT

abaya 01-28-2008 09:32 AM

ShaniFaye... that was perfect timing, lol. :)

Let me also add (as I have added to many other threads about "Why don't women do anal?") that, at least for me, I became a LOT more open and willing to try anal, once the man in question was willing to receive anal as well. Gotta be able to take your own medicine, you know? ;) Not to mention it builds up an unspeakable amount of trust and intimacy when both people are vulnerable to trying something new, instead of one person urging the other person to do something.

ShaniFaye 01-28-2008 09:45 AM

lol well we all know Dave loves being "done", that doesn't seem to affect my pain level though hehehe

Plan9 01-28-2008 10:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ruggerp11
"Honey, close your arm... I'm going for the armpit"
-_- ...*shrug* "ok"

Say, is that any good? :D

ShaniFaye 01-28-2008 11:17 AM

not as good as the back of the knee

Toaster126 01-28-2008 03:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jewels443
Nah. It's all about the man. If he knows what it takes to get her going, she'll not only trust him, but natural lube will do the job, pain-free, and she'll be open to just about anything.

Him knowing what it takes to get her going isn't his job. It's hers.

...and if you are naturally lubing in your asshole, YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG. :)

Plan9 01-28-2008 07:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toaster126
Him knowing what it takes to get her going isn't his job. It's hers.

...and if you are naturally lubing in your asshole, YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG. :)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prison Rapists everywhere...
"Blood is a natural lubricant."


Shauk 01-28-2008 07:36 PM

Yeah and to think, I just wanted to share a signature that made me giggle at work. pssh.

Plan9 01-28-2008 07:39 PM

Hey, it made me giggle, too.

And you know how silly my giggles are...

Tee-hee-hee.

ruggerp11 01-28-2008 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Crompsin
Say, is that any good? :D

Yes, especially if shes laying on it, making it reallly tight ;) haha

Plan9 01-29-2008 04:54 AM

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Originally Posted by ruggerp11
Yes, especially if shes laying on it, making it reallly tight ;) haha

Oh, it's on. Thank you, buddy... totally just made my day.

Toaster126 01-29-2008 06:30 PM

Silly me. I didn't think of rape.

Jenna 01-29-2008 06:55 PM

Anal sex doesn't "help" us with our insecurities. I put help in quotations because obviously, body modifications don't always assist to women's self-esteems.

And, obviously, anal sex doesn't always hurt.

I don't think anal sex has to be degrading. I'm not quite sure if that's the right analysis. I love piercings and tattoos, if I had the money I'd have some plastic surgery done, and I still like to be degraded in bed. It's mostly because of my insecurities.

allaboutmusic 01-29-2008 11:23 PM

Also possible that women are worried about damage to their ass that may give them problems further down the road?

jewels 01-30-2008 01:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toaster126
Him knowing what it takes to get her going isn't his job. It's hers.

It goes hand in hand. If he's listening or paying attention to her, he knows.

Quote:

...and if you are naturally lubing in your asshole, YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG. :)
:lol: If I was naturally lubing from my asshole, then I'd be truly freaky.

Sharon 01-30-2008 07:34 AM

Anal sex, done properly, doesn't hurt... but is so intense that you feel like it should. :crazy:

Impetuous1 01-30-2008 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by allaboutmusic
Also possible that women are worried about damage to their ass that may give them problems further down the road?

This is why I don't do anal sex. IIRC from my sex ed class, once those muscles are stretched out they don't "bounce back". Which can lead to "accidents". I have tried anal regardless and have found it to be very time consuming and painful. I also have not done any of those things mentioned in the original post, other than piercing when I was around five. But I've got to agree with abaya. If it weren't so uncomfortable, I'd be more willing to do it if the person I was doing it with also agrees to a little give and take.

Plan9 01-30-2008 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Impetuous1
...once those muscles are stretched out they don't "bounce back".

And what are you shoving up there that is any larger than that which normally exits?

...

Of course, all things in moderation.

World's King 01-30-2008 12:23 PM

Anyone else wanna tie up Shauk and shove something in his ass?


You know... so he can answer is own question...

AngelaSI 01-30-2008 12:58 PM

It has a LOT to do with feeling degraded. If you have the slightest inclination to anal sex then that results in a very tight butt hole and then that makes a lot of pain. If you didn't find it degrading then you'll have a loose hole and enjoyment out of it.

allaboutmusic 01-30-2008 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by AngelaSI
If you have the slightest inclination...

I think you mean aversion, but your meaning is clear. :)

Plan9 01-30-2008 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by ghoastgirl1
...and it happened unintentionally.

He totally lied.

ShaniFaye 01-30-2008 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by AngelaSI
It has a LOT to do with feeling degraded. If you have the slightest inclination to anal sex then that results in a very tight butt hole and then that makes a lot of pain. If you didn't find it degrading then you'll have a loose hole and enjoyment out of it.

I have to take issue with this....I dont find it degrading it all and I get no enjoyment out of it whatsoever...as previously stated.

Sharon 01-31-2008 09:52 AM

It doesn't make me feel degraded, but it does make me feel dominated - and I like that.

Ustwo 01-31-2008 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by ghoastgirl1
The reason: one time with a former boyfriend we were having sex the regular way...and it happened unintentionally. .

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crompsin
He totally lied.

THIS

Anyways, I don't see what the big deal is, never have. There is one hole that its designed for, one its most definitely not.

I've always seen it as a dominance thing, and I don't feel the need to dominate women.

Mantus 01-31-2008 10:39 AM

Some people just don't like it. Deal with it.

If it's that much of a fetish to a man then he should seek out partners who are into it. I wouldn't dare to date a girl who doesn't like being tied up and blindfolded and force my expectations on her. Such things are discussed before moving forward in the relationship and if major incompatibilities occur it's best to seek other partners.

jewels 01-31-2008 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Mantus
If it's that much of a fetish to a man then he should seek out partners who are into it. I wouldn't dare to date a girl who doesn't like being tied up and blindfolded and force my expectations on her. Such things are discussed before moving forward in the relationship and if major incompatibilities occur it's best to seek other partners.

Unless you're looking for one night stands, you're totally missing out.

I can't be the only female that at one time thought oral sex was nasty and would never have considered anal sex.

Women all have different histories and the right partnership can form a wonderfully intimate relationship that opens her mind to things she thought she'd never consider, much less enjoy. ;)

Mantus 01-31-2008 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by jewels443
Unless you're looking for one night stands, you're totally missing out.

I can't be the only female that at one time thought oral sex was nasty and would never have considered anal sex.

Women all have different histories and the right partnership can form a wonderfully intimate relationship that opens her mind to things she thought she'd never consider, much less enjoy. ;)

Absolutely true. As a man it's my job to fulfill a woman's sexual potential as well as my own. Yet it's not an absolute science and my advice should considered in that it may not be the man's lack of confidence/experience or the woman's emotional issues but she just may in fact not like it, period.

ruggerp11 01-31-2008 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by ghoastgirl1
Probably so. Either way it fucked that aspect of my sexual life permanently.
:mad:

Not necessarily. I made that mistake too once and was all the way in before I noticed it. She cried a bit too. I felt horrible.

levite 02-02-2008 09:03 AM

Newbie with my two cents here....

I find that women are much more relaxed and amenable to trying new things if you go down on them for quite a while first. Five or six orgasms, and most of the girls I've been with cheerfully flipped right over and handed me the lube....

Might also help that, unlike some others, I'm not hung like elephant waving a fire hose.... But perhaps I've said too much....


A.

mixedmedia 02-02-2008 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Crompsin
He totally lied.

:lol:

Maybe so, but I can attest to a time before I tried anal sex when my partner rammed me unintentionally while engaging in some pretty enthusiastic fucking and it did hurt...like seeing stars kind of pain.

gg, I wouldn't let that experience turn you off of anal sex forever. It's one thing if you're just not interested in it. But there is a huge difference in sensation between an unprepared battering ram accident and properly performed anal play/sex.

And I have never felt degraded by anal sex - dominated, yes - but not degraded.

Plan9 02-02-2008 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by mixedmedia
And I have never felt degraded by anal sex - dominated, yes - but not degraded.

Color me "Durrrh!" like a blind man with a Rubik's cube, but I really don't get the whole "domination" thing as it relates to female hole-poking. You already hide the salami! See, I get the pushy behavior, the kinky clothes, the breaking of hotel room lamps, the ass smacking, the neck biting, the nails dug into the back, the dirty talk. The poking? Meh.

It seems like "Female Alternate Love Canal #3" is popular for novelty. Perhaps the domination comes from the tone, not the meat-in-nature's-universal-pocket activity itself.

While it doesn't really involve me, since I've got a smooth spot like Yule Brenner's head, I always like to know why people feel they way they do about subjective things.

For my next topic... I'll be starting another literary bukkake thread in Politics about abortion.

mixedmedia 02-02-2008 10:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crompsin
Color me "Durrrh!" like a blind man with a Rubik's cube, but I really don't get the whole domination thing as it relates to female hole-poking. I get the pushy behavior, the kinky clothes, the breaking of hotel room lamps, the ass smacking, the neck biting, the nails dug into the back, the dirty talk.

It seems like "Female Alternate Love Canal #3" is popular for novelty. Perhaps the domination comes from the tone, not the meat-in-nature's-universal-pocket activity itself.

While it doesn't really involve me, since I've got a smooth spot like Yule Brenner's head, I always like to know why people feel they way they do about subjective things.

For my next topic... I'll be starting another literary bukkake thread in Politics about abortion.

It's an 'eye of the beholder' thing, I suppose. I have a tendency to tinge sex (under certain circumstances) with being dominated because I get off on it. And most any sexual encounter in which anal sex were involved is almost certain to include this dynamic most conspicuously. Other's mileage may vary. Greatly, lol.

Shauk 02-02-2008 11:07 AM

I don't even care for anal sex.

the irony of me being the author of this thread. yay.


but yeah I mean I'll do it but it's the least pleasing option of the holes :p

mixedmedia 02-02-2008 11:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shauk
I don't even care for anal sex.

the irony of me being the author of this thread. yay.


but yeah I mean I'll do it but it's the least pleasing option of the holes :p

The man I'm with currently felt this way when I met him, but he's changed his mind. :p

LiberalLady 02-02-2008 11:46 AM

Another Newbie with 2 cents
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by levite
Newbie with my two cents here....

I find that women are much more relaxed and amenable to trying new things if you go down on them for quite a while first. Five or six orgasms, and most of the girls I've been with cheerfully flipped right over and handed me the lube....

Might also help that, unlike some others, I'm not hung like elephant waving a fire hose.... But perhaps I've said too much....


A.

In my humble opinion there are too many issues involved in anal sex to simplify it to 'it hurts'. I remember reading a Nancy Friday book that offered some great insight into the issue starting with mommies, toilet training, oral and anal fixations and so on. It was pretty eye-opening though of course it was her opinion. After reading the posts on this thread, I believe an interesting question to pose would be "How many men really want to have their asses played with but are too embarrassed or scared to ask?"

As for my own opinion of the topic: I love anal sex performed on me. A major plus is that my husband fessed up that he wanted to experience some anal play while we were dating. We got a nice pliable vibrator especially made for the ass and took it slow.

Terrell 02-03-2008 10:17 AM

I once had a girlfriend that wanted anal, I was the one who didn't want to do anal. I find the idea of putting my schlong into an anus somewhat gross, I can tolerate it in a porno, but in real life, no. It would take a very persuasive woman to get me to do anal.

Kaimi 02-03-2008 12:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LiberalLady
In my humble opinion there are too many issues involved in anal sex to simplify it to 'it hurts'. I remember reading a Nancy Friday book that offered some great insight into the issue starting with mommies, toilet training, oral and anal fixations and so on. It was pretty eye-opening though of course it was her opinion. After reading the posts on this thread, I believe an interesting question to pose would be "How many men really want to have their asses played with but are too embarrassed or scared to ask?"

As for my own opinion of the topic: I love anal sex performed on me. A major plus is that my husband fessed up that he wanted to experience some anal play while we were dating. We got a nice pliable vibrator especially made for the ass and took it slow.

Some men experience the most incredible orgasms with a bit of prostate massage.

whatever1 02-17-2008 06:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ShaniFaye
why is it such a big deal if it hurts some of us? The pain of all the stuff mentioned in the OP is NOTHING compared to the pain of anal sex for me, and lord knows I've tried it many times with many people and followed all the "steps" for doing it right....it hurts me...end of story

just like there are some guys that enjoy anal stuff and some that dont

why the hell should I waste my pleasure time with something that is painful to the point of making me cry?



lol I didnt see this until after I replied....and you're right....I enjoy LITTLE toys and fingers, but dicks banging in and out of my ass fucking hurts....a LOT

Let me start by saying, every woman I have been with for the last 20 years, I have had anal sex with. My first wife, sucked an awesome cock, and swallowed, but was apprehensive and did not enjoy anal.

My next 3-4 girlfriends, I introduced them all to it. Some liked it, some loved it.

Now, my current wife, she could not suck a cock to save her life. It is like she is licking a vinegar lollipop. She has swallowed once, 7 years ago and puked thereafter.

but, she loves it in the ass. She was essentially a virgin at 28, she slept with one guy3 times. I introduced her to anal and we were off. The harder it is, the more she likes it. She has also found her love for pain and choking. SHe is MASSIVELY multiorgasmic when I do her in the ass.

doncalypso 02-17-2008 09:57 AM

It's a bloody shame that so many women are so opposed to anal sex....

abaya 02-17-2008 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by doncalypso
It's a bloody shame that so many women are so opposed to anal sex....

How did I know this would be the first thread that you replied to, hmm? ;)

From the responses to this thread, I don't see that many women opposed to anal sex... I would say that on TFP, there are probably more men who dislike the idea of being anally penetrated by a woman with a strap-on, than there are women who dislike anal sex.

Ustwo 02-17-2008 10:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by abaya

From the responses to this thread, I don't see that many women opposed to anal sex... I would say that on TFP, there are probably more men who dislike the idea of being anally penetrated by a woman with a strap-on, than there are women who dislike anal sex.


From the responses to this thread, I don't see that many women opposed to anal sex... I would say that on EARTH, there are probably more men who dislike the idea of being anally penetrated by a woman with a strap-on, than there are women who dislike anal sex.

FIFY ;)

Bees 02-17-2008 11:31 AM

My girl prefers anal to vaginal sex. After some foreplay and oral fun we start out with vaginal sex but as soon as she gets really hot she wants it in the ass. She tells me that women have more nerve endings around the anus than the vagina. With anal sex she has more powerful orgasms and sometimes she has two or three in a row. When we come together that way it is really blissful. She doesn't really like my come in her ass so when possible I pull out and come on her belly and pube instead.

I really love to satisfy her that way but sometimes there is a problem for me with it. Once she is done with her orgasm(s) her anus clamps shut and any further penetrations start to cause her pain. So if I haven't had my orgasm yet I am left to jerk myself off (usually with some help) but for me that is not a completely satisfying end to our lovemaking.

I would prefer to come in her vagina and then stay inside as we share a loving embrace. But I won't reenter her vagina after anal sex.

Any advice?

Plan9 02-17-2008 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Bees
My girl prefers anal to vaginal sex.

:orly:


doncalypso 02-17-2008 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by abaya
How did I know this would be the first thread that you replied to, hmm? ;)

Actually my first reply was to one of Bobby's threads in the "Off the Wayside" forum.... This being said, did you honestly think I'd abstain from posting my two cents in an anal sex forum? Let's get serious for a minute here, ladies and gentlemen...

pig 02-17-2008 11:50 AM

Bees - you ever try wearing a jimmy when in the land of anus, and then slipping it off when you want to go back to the va-jay jay? Otherwise, my friend, you're stuck with rubbing it out on her tummy.

edit: and for completion, i still do not understand why some women, with abaya as their unofficial tfp representative, want a man to take it in the shitter if they're going to. I have a penis. It is made for peeing, and repetitively sticking into orifices. A woman presumably has a vagina. It is for peeing, and being stuck. She also has an asshole, and I suppose some women, and some men, like to move the repetitive sticking of the penis to a redirected sticking in the asshole. I suppose if there's hole for a rodgering, some people will want to rodger it. I suppose if she wanted to rub her clit on my ass, I'd be ok with that. But I don't really want a simulated penis in my ass, or anywhere else on or in my body. I don't want to suck a strapon before I receive head, for that matter. I don't make my girl lick out a bag of jello before I go down on her. I'm more of an "Insert Tab A into Slot B" kind of guy, and sure, if you'd prefer Slot C, I guess I can help you out. In no case will Tab D go into my Slot E. Not happening.

Each to their own, experiences may vary, etc.

abaya 02-17-2008 01:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bees
My girl prefers anal to vaginal sex. After some foreplay and oral fun we start out with vaginal sex but as soon as she gets really hot she wants it in the ass. She tells me that women have more nerve endings around the anus than the vagina. With anal sex she has more powerful orgasms and sometimes she has two or three in a row. When we come together that way it is really blissful. She doesn't really like my come in her ass so when possible I pull out and come on her belly and pube instead.

I really love to satisfy her that way but sometimes there is a problem for me with it. Once she is done with her orgasm(s) her anus clamps shut and any further penetrations start to cause her pain. So if I haven't had my orgasm yet I am left to jerk myself off (usually with some help) but for me that is not a completely satisfying end to our lovemaking.

I would prefer to come in her vagina and then stay inside as we share a loving embrace. But I won't reenter her vagina after anal sex.

Any advice?

It's smart of you to not double-dip after anal... but I can see how frustrating that might be. Have you tried the condom-first with anal, then removing it for vaginal, as pig suggested? I don't particularly like cum in my ass, either (though I do love anal sex), so my husband usually wears a condom for that portion and that takes care of most of the clean-up.

Also, in terms of Order of Orgasms, would she let you get her off anally first, then remove your dick and use it vaginally (assuming you were wearing a condom for the first part)? For me, after I've had an orgasm, I could be fucked in all of my holes and I probably wouldn't notice... I'm just a quivering lump of flesh at that point, and I always invite my husband to do whatever he wants to me, then. :D

Bees 02-17-2008 04:20 PM

Thanks to pig and anaya for the advice of using a condom for anal sex and then removing it for vaginal. I guess we are used to the feeling of going condom free but it's definitely worth a try when I'm needing that sense of completion.

Hey pig,
You might be missing out on something marvelous. For me the best kind of BJ is when it's combined with my girl's finger up may ass. There is something about that kind of stimulation during a blow job that makes me cum double the norm.

abaya 02-18-2008 01:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bees
For me the best kind of BJ is when it's combined with my girl's finger up may ass. There is something about that kind of stimulation during a blow job that makes me cum double the norm.

I think it's called a prostate. :D Makes 'em shoot double, every time!!

Charlatan 02-18-2008 02:08 AM

The prostate is a male's gspot... the joke on us is the location.

That said, I find a strap on less fun than a bunch of fingers...

pig 02-18-2008 07:00 AM

bees: i hear you...and charlatan has already advised me and others on the board about the miracles of prostate massage. i'm not saying i'd never go for it; the few times i had a chick give it a whirl, so to speak, were not comely experiences, but i've been told it's probably improper technique. what can i say? i'm a happy man with a good old fashioned blowjob. but that wasn't really my point - this is more of a longstanding disagreement on the notion of taking it in the ass in order to give it in the ass. i can honestly say i'm not overly interested in anal play period...if my girlfriend wanted anal sex, then i'd probably oblige. however, i don't think i'd volunteer my ass beforehand. i'll also never know what it feels like to experience vaginal penetration from the perspective of penetratee, but i don't think that rules out my ability to penetrate. other things i'll never be able to fully grasp are menstration, pregnancy, menopause, etc...but i'm not going to cut my taint open, bleed on a tampon, carry a bowling ball around in a little papoose, or stuff my clothing with heating pads.

basically, i support whatever you and yours do, as long as everyone is happy and consensual etc. this is more of an academic disagreement, rather than a condemnation of your practices...or those of any other tfper.

Ustwo 02-18-2008 07:20 AM

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abaya 02-18-2008 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by pig
beesi can honestly say i'm not overly interested in anal play period...if my girlfriend wanted anal sex, then i'd probably oblige. however, i don't think i'd volunteer my ass beforehand.

So what's the problem, then? If you don't want to have anal with any girl, and any girl that you're with doesn't want to have anal with you (giving or receiving), then why so much fuss about the issue? You know your boundaries, and you aren't demanding women to change theirs in a hypocritical manner. No problem, as far as I can tell.

My beef with the issue happens when when a man wants to do anal to a woman (and the woman is resistant to doing it--key point), but is completely NOT open to even the idea of seeing how it feels for him to receive it, often to the point of some kind of homophobia (e.g. fear of himself turning gay if he even considers the idea rationally). There is no consideration of whether such reciprocation might contribute to building mutual understanding and vulnerability into the relationship, or helping the woman to trust him more with giving him back-door access, etc. It's just the straight-up , "I want your ass, but NO WAY IN HELL are you going near mine! Exit only!!! etc etc." that bothers me so much.

It stands in stark contrast with a more gentle approach, which would be, "I'd like to try anal with you," (and if girl resists the idea) "Okay, would it make you feel better about doing it, if I let you try it on me first?" I don't see any problem with that statement, nor does it make the man "gay" or anywhere near it. Makes the man damn compassionate and attractive, if you ask me. :thumbsup:

snowy 02-18-2008 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by ghoastgirl1
I have no desire to try anal sex. Does not appeal to me whatsoever.
The reason: one time with a former boyfriend we were having sex the regular way...and it happened unintentionally. Never again. It hurt so bad I remember crying for a very long time. Turned me off permanently.
I've tried getting over it...with the toys and such but I just can't. It feels degrading. Just a door that will remain in the vault never to be opened again.

I had a boyfriend do the same thing, but I'm pretty sure it was intentional, even though he said it wasn't, just because his desire for anal and the pressure he had tried to exert upon me to try it was really over the top.

I've tried it since then, but like Shani said, it just hurts. Waxing/plucking isn't really a good pain comparison to anal, especially for me. The pain of waxing/plucking is sudden and over quickly, and it fades fast. Anal...not so much. It hurts the entire time, and it hurts afterwards. I'll pass.

Ustwo 02-18-2008 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by abaya
My beef with the issue happens when when a man wants to do anal to a woman (and the woman is resistant to doing it--key point), but is completely NOT open to even the idea of seeing how it feels for him to receive it, often to the point of some kind of homophobia (e.g. fear of himself turning gay if he even considers the idea rationally). There is no consideration of whether such reciprocation might contribute to building mutual understanding and vulnerability into the relationship, or helping the woman to trust him more with giving him back-door access, etc. It's just the straight-up , "I want your ass, but NO WAY IN HELL are you going near mine! Exit only!!! etc etc." that bothers me so much.

Men and women are not the same in sex, and sexual desires. Sex does not have to be 'fair' and it can still be good. There is nothing wrong with a guy who wants to try giving anal and not receiving it any more than a guy wanting to get a BJ and not giving one.

I personally will never have a woman do anything anal to me. Its not something I want to do (and I'm not that fond of doing it to a woman for that matter), but the 'gay fear' thing doesn't apply. Being gay is about sex with another man, not a woman doing something to you. Its just something that holds zero appeal to many men. I think the homophobia angle is something of a red herring. A lot of men just don't have the desire.

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It stands in stark contrast with a more gentle approach, which would be, "I'd like to try anal with you," (and if girl resists the idea) "Okay, would it make you feel better about doing it, if I let you try it on me first?" I don't see any problem with that statement, nor does it make the man "gay" or anywhere near it. Makes the man damn compassionate and attractive, if you ask me. :thumbsup:
That too is just a personal preference. I know if I asked my wife to do anal on me with a strap on she would not have been happy and would have thought it was weird on my part even though she doesn't think its weird for women.

You like Allen Aldaesk types, she likes John Waynesk types, as long as we are having sex with the right types, its all that matters.

whatever1 02-18-2008 09:36 AM

To each is own, I love it, and will always have it. I am sure there are not many conservatives on here loving it though.

pig 02-18-2008 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by abaya
So what's the problem, then? If you don't want to have anal with any girl, and any girl that you're with doesn't want to have anal with you (giving or receiving), then why so much fuss about the issue? You know your boundaries, and you aren't demanding women to change theirs in a hypocritical manner. No problem, as far as I can tell.

My beef with the issue happens when when a man wants to do anal to a woman (and the woman is resistant to doing it--key point), but is completely NOT open to even the idea of seeing how it feels for him to receive it, often to the point of some kind of homophobia (e.g. fear of himself turning gay if he even considers the idea rationally). There is no consideration of whether such reciprocation might contribute to building mutual understanding and vulnerability into the relationship, or helping the woman to trust him more with giving him back-door access, etc. It's just the straight-up , "I want your ass, but NO WAY IN HELL are you going near mine! Exit only!!! etc etc." that bothers me so much.

It stands in stark contrast with a more gentle approach, which would be, "I'd like to try anal with you," (and if girl resists the idea) "Okay, would it make you feel better about doing it, if I let you try it on me first?" I don't see any problem with that statement, nor does it make the man "gay" or anywhere near it. Makes the man damn compassionate and attractive, if you ask me. :thumbsup:


I guess I don't subscribe to the notion of sexual reciprocity. There's really no problem, per say...I don't think. You and I have different perspectives on this issue, so we discuss them, etc - I suppose the same reason any of us discuss anything on these crazy green boards. I understand that in your relationship, when it came time for the anal sex discussion, having ktspktsp experience what you were going to undertake/intake helped you to feel comfortable. Not that my opinion matters on that particular issue, but I see no problems with that. It's more of the statement that in general, that's the way it should be. More men should feel comfortable with that, and if they aren't comfortable with that, then they should give up on the whole anal sex thing. I just don't think it's that simple; people are different, and what one person is comfortable with, another will not be. As always, it comes back to good communication within the relationship, but I don't think that means that a guy shouldn't be able to express his desire to have anal sex with his girlfriend, unless he's willing to have her give him anal sex - as a blanket statement. If that's your personal position to help engender trust or acceptance, then I think that's a different issue. Maybe it's a technique that would work for more men who might want to have anal sex with a hesitant chick, but I don't think it's a maxim for all occasions, or that it will work for everyone.

Ustwo 02-18-2008 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by pig
I guess I don't subscribe to the notion of sexual reciprocity.

That one line says about all I was trying to say.

savmesom11 02-18-2008 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by pig
I guess I don't subscribe to the notion of sexual reciprocity. There's really no problem, per say...I don't think. You and I have different perspectives on this issue, so we discuss them, etc - I suppose the same reason any of us discuss anything on these crazy green boards. I understand that in your relationship, when it came time for the anal sex discussion, having ktspktsp experience what you were going to undertake/intake helped you to feel comfortable. Not that my opinion matters on that particular issue, but I see no problems with that. It's more of the statement that in general, that's the way it should be. More men should feel comfortable with that, and if they aren't comfortable with that, then they should give up on the whole anal sex thing. I just don't think it's that simple; people are different, and what one person is comfortable with, another will not be. As always, it comes back to good communication within the relationship, but I don't think that means that a guy shouldn't be able to express his desire to have anal sex with his girlfriend, unless he's willing to have her give him anal sex - as a blanket statement. If that's your personal position to help engender trust or acceptance, then I think that's a different issue. Maybe it's a technique that would work for more men who might want to have anal sex with a hesitant chick, but I don't think it's a maxim for all occasions, or that it will work for everyone.


I have to agree and sadly if the BF asked me to 'do him' I would be completely turned off. That is just not sexy to me but I see why the ladies feel the connection.

abaya 02-18-2008 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by savmesom11
I have to agree and sadly if the BF asked me to 'do him' I would be completely turned off. That is just not sexy to me but I see why the ladies feel the connection.

Yeah, but this is also taking the whole idea out of context. It's not about the BF asking you to do him, because he wants to do it... that's not what I mean.

First, the applicability of what I'm saying would require several things in a situation: your BF to *want* to have anal sex in the first place; then it would require you NOT wanting to have anal sex (I have no problem with women who want to have it, and don't think the guy needs to reciprocate, btw!--that's a totally different situation). If that is the situation, then we move on to the next step. If your relationship has nothing to do with anal, or both people are into it at the same time, then it doesn't apply here.

Next, you would have to be the type of person who might be persuaded into trying it, but only if someone else goes first... a not uncommon way of exploring things sexually, at least as far as I know. Seeing as there are usually only two people in most relationships, and both people have the same body part/orifice in question, well... there isn't a lot of room on who that "someone else" might be. So if he decides, "Well, okay... how about if I try it first, then we'll see how you feel about it?"... then comes the next step:

Either you decide that the whole idea turns you off (no matter what he offers), or you decide that that was a nice gesture on his part, and that it therefore makes you more willing/curious about the whole thing, so you go from there. If the whole idea turns you off, then that's the end of the conversation, and anal sex just won't happen in your relationship. Nothing wrong with that. If you decide it's a nice gesture and it makes you more willing to share that part of yourself if he is also sharing his with you, then you try anal sex and see how it goes.

Some might like it, some still might not, and that's really just fine! But to me the important thing is going through this sexual exploration/decision-making process together (whether you do it or not, whether you like it or not)... that's the part that builds trust and intimacy, to me. It's not being scared away by one word or idea that the other person suggests (e.g. the "EXIT ONLY!!!" declaration), but to delve into it, see how it might be accommodated, see how to better trust and know each other... that's the whole point for me. I just dislike any reaction based on fear, when it comes to sexual desires/fantasies. I encourage both people to at least entertain the idea of what their partner wants to do/doesn't want to do, and to work from there to see how those needs can be met.

It's not about tit-for-tat, in my mind. I've been trying to explain it, maybe I've failed... but for me it's about trust and exploration together. Maybe because for ktspktsp and I, we're all we've got, and possibly all we're gonna get. No previous experiences, and at the moment no possibility of other experiences with other people (though we are both open to that process of evaluating our boundaries as well, if that time comes), so we negotiate these things together. I hope this makes sense. For us, it's about the long-haul, and always finding new aspects of our sexual compatibility.

Hopefully, after this both Ustwo and pig can understand that we're on the same page, here. I wholly agree with this statement:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ustwo
as long as we are having sex with the right types, its all that matters.


mixedmedia 02-18-2008 02:50 PM

I'm totally cool with whatever people want to do in bed. We all know that. :)

But I, personally, have no interest in strapping on a dildo and 'doing' a guy. There's no titillation in that for me. Not mentally and certainly not physically. Therefore, if the situation were that I didn't want to have anal sex, then we just wouldn't be having anal sex. I totally support that choice being the prerogative of the woman and a non-negotiable one if she chooses. It's a particularly invasive act emotionally and otherwise.

abaya 02-18-2008 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by mixedmedia
Therefore, if the situation were that I didn't want to have anal sex, then we just wouldn't be having anal sex.

Right, so there would be no possibility for persuasion, which means that you wouldn't fit into the category I made here:
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Originally Posted by abaya
Next, you would have to be the type of person who might be persuaded into trying it, but only if someone else goes first

... and therefore my recommendation would not apply to you. Easy as that.

Look, folks, I don't mean to force a way of thinking on people here. It's just that I think if *particular* circumstances/personalities (the ones I outlined earlier) exist in a given sexual situation, then things can be done to explore the possibilities together. I don't think it's that strange of an idea, really. I do think all parties reserve a veto right to whatever they're uncomfortable with, obviously!

But for *me,* I prefer that sexual vetoes come from a place of information and at least giving the idea a fair chance (even in one's head), not from a place of knee-jerk fear, which is where a lot of the posts come from that bother me. When one is looking at a potential lifetime of marriage, and the idea of exploring things sexually with one other person... I just feel like both people have to be a little more open and a little less fearful with new things.

Charlatan 02-18-2008 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by mixedmedia
I'm totally cool with whatever people want to do in bed. We all know that. :)

But I, personally, have no interest in strapping on a dildo and 'doing' a guy. There's no titillation in that for me. Not mentally and certainly not physically. Therefore, if the situation were that I didn't want to have anal sex, then we just wouldn't be having anal sex. I totally support that choice being the prerogative of the woman and a non-negotiable one if she chooses. It's a particularly invasive act emotionally and otherwise.

What of a situation where he wanted it? Would you still be game even if it did little for you but a lot for him?

Ustwo... the fact that you even know about that video clip is scary. What are you trying to tell us?

mixedmedia 02-19-2008 03:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Charlatan
What of a situation where he wanted it? Would you still be game even if it did little for you but a lot for him?

Oh, if he wanted it, then I'd be all over it. And like it. :)

jewels 02-19-2008 04:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Charlatan
What of a situation where he wanted it? Would you still be game even if it did little for you but a lot for him?

Don't you think a lot of what "get us off" is based on pleasing our partner? So if he's into it, that's going to get me into it. :D

Ustwo 02-19-2008 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Charlatan
Ustwo... the fact that you even know about that video clip is scary. What are you trying to tell us?

What what?

blahblah454 02-19-2008 10:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Charlatan
Ustwo... the fact that you even know about that video clip is scary. What are you trying to tell us?


Seconded... *shudder*

kramus 02-21-2008 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Ustwo
What what?

:lol:
I have to say, Ustwo - not only am I on board with the other posters by being both benumbed and befuddled at your knowing of and posting that video but I am also still laughing aloud from time to time as your "What what?" response to Charlatan pops into my mind. Actually, I have even found myself saying "What what?"

. . . not that there is anything wrong with that.

pig 02-21-2008 09:27 PM

Ustwo: I didn't click the link until just now....all I can say is congrats...now THAT is a true find.

Plan9 02-21-2008 09:50 PM

UsTwo's collection of eclectic YouTube links worries me more and more each day.

Kinda like that crazy uncle ya had when you were a kid. The one that drove that old junky van with no windows in the back.

The_Jazz 02-22-2008 05:58 AM

Ustwo is to youtube as host is to google.

Cynthetiq 02-22-2008 06:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Crompsin
UsTwo's collection of eclectic YouTube links worries me more and more each day.

Kinda like that crazy uncle ya had when you were a kid. The one that drove that old junky van with no windows in the back.

you mean like Uncle Sanford?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1.../Sanford01.jpg
SHUT UP YOU BIG DUMMEH!

mandy 03-13-2008 02:41 AM

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Originally Posted by SecretMethod70
You're doing it wrong.

How do you do it right? I wana try it but i'm waaaaaay to scared. Is there even a way to do it right? What happens if I tear and i must go get stitches and i have to tell the doctor i was trying to be fucked in the ass :D LOL...he'll go find all his colleagues and blurt it out to them cos at that moment in time there's no such thing as confidentiality with a story as good as that !!!

I really do wana try it, even if it is only to get healer off my back about it LOL

Who know's, maybe i'll even come to love it...but the initial period before you get fucked in the ass for the first time...you have to admit that it is kinda scarey.

Is it as painful as losing your virginity?

abaya 03-13-2008 02:48 AM

Mandy: PM me if you want more details (I've posted about first time anal sex several times on TFP, if I remember right...), but NO, I don't think it's anything like losing your virginity. It's more like taking a really big dump, if you know what I mean... basically, having poop the size of a penis in your ass. If you can get past that feeling (which requires LOTS OF LUBE, and I mean good, thick lube) and learn to relax a little bit in the process, it does get easier after a while...

But are you sure that YOU want to try it?... not just because Healer wants to, but because you do? It makes a huge difference, I think.

mandy 03-13-2008 04:14 AM

Yeah I do...so much!

I know that porn is absolutely nothing to go on, but it looks extremely hot and it makes me quite horny just watching it :)

so, any and all info i can get that would make it easier for me, i'd appreciate that.

i know what it feels like when Healer puts a finger in...LOL it alrready feels like i've got a poop the size of a popcicle in there...imagine the feeling with a penis? LOL

abaya 03-13-2008 06:17 AM

Mandy, I recommend you guys start with a small silicone dildo to get you more used to the feeling of something stuck up your ass. We had 2 small dildos, graduated in size, that were perfect for introducing us to the art of anal play. :) Once we played around a lot with those, with tons of lube, it made the introduction of the penis not as scary... because it was only slightly bigger than the last dildo we had used. Does that make sense? See if you can find some high-quality sex toys (silicone, and we usually put a condom over that, for easy clean-up/disinfection) to get started with. :)

mandy 03-13-2008 06:23 AM

AWESOME!

But the thought of even a mini dildo in my bum frightens me, but i am willing to try it out. I CANT WAIT TO GO TO ADULT WORLD :D

abaya 03-13-2008 06:26 AM

Yeah, but at least this way you can start by controlling it yourself... you can handle the dildo and push it in when you're ready, etc. You can teach Healer the best way to insert it for your pleasure, you know? And whether or not you get a silicone one, I still recommend you use a condom on it every time, seriously for the clean-up... that's the only unknown about anal sex, whether or not there's going to be poo on the thing when it comes out. :p

pig 03-13-2008 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by abaya
... that's the only unknown about anal sex, whether or not there's going to be poo on the thing when it comes out. :p


That's hot.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29...thats_hott.jpg

Sharon 03-21-2008 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by pig
That's hot.

Well... warm, at any rate.

whatever1 03-21-2008 04:07 PM

Mandy, 14 years ago, my wife was in the same boat as you. Now, as long as I get her hot before, her vaginal lubrication will run down, and we can have anal with no further lube.

From a medical standpoint, unless your other is about 8 inches around, you will not be torn. Your rectum can stretch further than your vagina as the pubis bone is not there to limit you.

Lube, patience, and lots of practice, before you know it, he will be balls deep in there :thumbsup:

xxSquirtxx 03-23-2008 11:02 AM

Good Lord, I love anal sex.

It's almost becoming a fetish.

That is all. lol

mandy 03-25-2008 02:59 AM

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Originally Posted by whatever1
Mandy, 14 years ago, my wife was in the same boat as you. Now, as long as I get her hot before, her vaginal lubrication will run down, and we can have anal with no further lube.

From a medical standpoint, unless your other is about 8 inches around, you will not be torn. Your rectum can stretch further than your vagina as the pubis bone is not there to limit you.

Lube, patience, and lots of practice, before you know it, he will be balls deep in there :thumbsup:


bwahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!! my tummy hurts...i cant stop laughing :D "balls deep in there" LOL

thanks for that piece of advice, i will be sure to practise :D :thumbsup:

Sharon 03-25-2008 07:52 AM

Few things are quite as much fun to practise. :crazy:

apogee 09-11-2008 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Sharon (Post 2420222)
Few things are quite as much fun to practise. :crazy:

My god, I know this thread is old, but Sharon you say all the right things! :thumbsup: I think its fair to say everyone is built differently, but much of it is in the head as well. (both partners). With the same partner I've had awesome painless anal, and awkward, frustrating, painful (her). Anal is not something you can make someone like, they have to want it, if there is no trust, and no desire, they will have the exact experience they are expecting.

T

curiousbear 09-12-2008 01:15 PM

But when both are not willing for the fun, it just remains as a desire or fantasy

ASU2003 09-12-2008 04:34 PM

I would be open to it if she wanted it, but there is a perfectly good vagina an inch away that I would prefer being in.


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