Settle an icky argument
 

Alrighty. I was talking with a girlfriend about various sexual practices, and we disagreed upon something that I can't find documentation on.

Oral after Anal (specifically, giving head immediately after receiving anal sex).

My position is that medically it's a bad idea. I'm thinking that one is courting a bacterial infection, yes? Her position is that because it's all the same digestive system, it should be fine. I just can't accept that, yet I have failed to find at least any reputable medical sites that say otherwise.

So what's the scoop (heh)?

Different stuff comes out the back end, so you're right. Urine is sterile.

well lets see. if vaginal after anal is a no no because of risk of infection... I would think it would be a logical deduction that oral after anal would be equally as bad.... Aside from the fact that its more than a little bit unappealing....

this is now a popular trope in hardcore porn, where it even has an aolspeakish acronym! A2M, which stands for “ass to mouth.” dont ask me how i know this.

anyway, yes, i believe that it is unsafe. it may in fact not be as unsafe as anal-to-vaginal because my impression is genitals are more susceptible to infection, but that being said, i would suggest leaving the A2M hijinks to the professionals.

First...ick.

Secondly, shes wrong.

Poo is not sterile.

Shit doesn't stink because its clean and healthy.

Eat shit and die, isn't just a saying ;)

hepatitis is a factor to worry about in ass to mouth. so while it looks sexy on a porno for some, it doesn't show the aftermath of the starlet getting hepatitis and being sick for a long period.

Im with midnight...women are told repeatedly no vaginal insertion immediately after anal because it can cause a serious infection so why would you stick it in your mouth?

I wanna gag just thinking about it

I cant believe anyone really needs to ask this question....just ask yourself if eating human shit is a good Idea.

Don't knock it till you tried it.

I'm knocking it, personally...ugh

if you read this

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_feces

especially the section on fecal contamination it should get the point across pretty quick its something you really dont want to do

Thanks Shani, the plain ole deductive reasoning from me isn't going to convince her, I have to provide references. I was hoping to pull something out of webmd when I get the chance.

Although I do like the "Eat sh*t and die" reference, LOL!

So is bleach. Neither are good for you to injest.

The solid matter in feces is 30% bacteria. Sounds yummy.

And yes, Eat Shit and Die is quite a literal warning.

How about the practice or oral sex on the anus after anal sex, sucking out of the mix of semen and other fluids (a.k.a santorum)?

There is actually a word for this practice: felching.

This is something I really didn't need to know, now all of you do too. If you don't believe me, google it.

I learned about that this very weekend! I kept calling it filtching, which is something else entirely.

I don't want to know!

You've been reading too much Harry Potter.

/winces at the idea of Filtch, um... felching.

Anyway! With all this A2M talk, I'm thinking about how rimming plays into this. In the ideal rimming situation, the receiver has washed thoroughly and the giver's tongue doesn't go particularly far anyway, so it should be all safe. But if the receiver hasn't washed, then the giver is at the same risk for contracting hepatitis as with A2M. So, as always, good use of soap and water before anal play is key.

Now, the only safe way I can imagine doing A2M (which in itself is a huge turn-off to me, porn or not), is by the guy wearing a condom during anal, then removing it for oral (if he's STD-free), or putting on a new condom quickly. All of that takes too long/is too complicated for porn, so of course they're not going to show or do that. But in reality, I think that's the only safe way it could be done.

Thanks all. If you could include refs, that'd be an even bigger help. She's not appearing to be willing to accept just "my word", I'm hoping that recognized medical sites would carry more weight.

I know, this is so odd!

Yeah, you do not want to be ingesting any of the bacterial flora that live in the colon. That would not be a good idea. E. coli is just one of the ickies down there: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gut_flora

hook me up with your friends number.

err haha I mean, yeah, a2m works in porn because they probably have some pretty invasive cleaning measures to make sure everything is good to go on film.

I've never seen even a hint of poo in porn even when they practically do a close up of some gaping anal cavity. (yes I watched a hell of a lot of porn "back in the day")

I have nothing useful to add, but someone has to do it (NSFW)
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Do I even want to know what you're saying here?

Ecoli bacteria lives happily in your lower digestive tract... namely the intestines. Ecoli in your stomach? BAD BAD BAD!

I had a dream that involved being innocent.

If you have no resistance, take no chances.

Anal-Oral bad Idea. NOT clean.
When they show that on porn 99% of the time there is a small edit, the edit is for cleaning the penis in-between
There are those that will do it, but most of those take a soapy enema before the scene (as much time as they need)
If she wants to don't tell/show her the wipe in between, so she can think it is all in one

Added- the condom during the anal is they way to go, and I have seen it but usually because it is on the "extreme" end they go without.
Also heard that a lot doing a2m only do it with certain people (boyfriends/husbands)

Rimming, ideal enema clean+plastic wrap-dental dam (yeah right)
ok but not ideal, clean and washed
BAD IDEA - not clean... carry some wipes, move up a spot

I fucked this chick off and on for a few years. She liked it in the ass. I never argued.


One morning... she was feeling a little frisky. Without really thinking she started blowing me. About half way though... I realized that I had just passed out after fuckin' her and didn't get a chance to really clean myself. I didn't say anything. I finished, blew it on her face and hopped in the shower. See this girl wasn't too smart. The best kind of girl when you're 20.

I found out about two years later that she ended up in the hospital about two weeks after the 'shit' blow job. No idea what had happened. But I really hope it was cause of me.

As a health worker I would not do this - the risks to your health are ridiculous.

some sites for you to show your friends

http://www.toss-my-salad.com/safety.shtml

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_feces

Hope they help

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Wow.

Quite a bit of this (A2M) showing up on some websites.

I'm not a fan, so I don't watch.

Sorry I've nothing to contribute towards your argument Sultana.....

Just because someone is married doesn't mean that their partner's shit is now safe for ingestion!! :lol:

The thing is, she insists that if it's just the 2 of them, and as she knows she's not infected with any STDs, e coli, Hep., etc., and it's *her* ass to *her* mouth...then it's (healthwise) not a big deal.

I get the feeling she must be yanking my chain a bit. But still, I want to have a definitive arguement beyond "Ewww that's really gross".

ask her how often she gets her shit tested for the various bacterias that can make someone sick

Does she wash her hands after going to the toilet?

Would be interesting to see her response to that I mean what's the point if she's just going to let her partner put her feces in her mouth via his penis later.

Seriously, almost everyone has e. coli living in their intestines. As long as it's confined there, the body can handle it. The problems start when it's introduced somewhere else, like the upper digestive system. If the e. coli somehow managed to migrate upwards in the gut, it would cause problems. Before the advent of the powerful antibiotics we have now, a deep puncture wound to the abdomen was usually fatal because all the flora and fauna escaped their usual areas and started attacking tissues that couldn't handle their presence.

Okay, if she thinks e. coli is an STD, she has other issues! It's not an STD, it's a basic part of the human digestive system. Maybe she needs a biology class, or to go back and eat at Jack in the Box in the early 90s. :lol:

Umm, that was my terminolgy, not hers. I wasn't implying that she thought that e coli was an STD. It was a listing of the three things I specificially mentioned to her.

If your friend believes this she is an idiot, and is flirting with Darwin.

People gave you reasons why its bad already, if she likes to eat her own shit, more power to her.

And if shes pulling your chain, you need friends who have better things to argue about for arguments sake.

Ah, okay. Well, I guess I got out of that post that she doesn't think she's "infected" with e. coli (even if she knows it's not an STD)... which is just plain wrong, since we *all* have e. coli in our bodies. I just meant that she should read up on biology and the human digestive system. That whole e. coli outbreak in the 90s happened because shit got into the food... and no one is immune to reacting to that. E. coli anywhere outside the digestive tract is a very bad thing, even if it's coming from our own bodies.

Wow, I can't believe this thread is so long for something that should be clearly seen as a bad idea.

People never fail to amaze me with their lack of common sense.

Maybe you should make a poster.

Anal sex + BJ = NO!

But use pictures to make it clear. Use a green, sickly, vomiting person for the NO!.

Like this one?... :D
http://marketplace.publicradio.org/i/news/b_mryuck.jpg

[ useless aside ]

Do you recall the http://youtube.com/watch?v=MRkiouh5NEI ads? The narrator of the ad is "Ron Felcher, CEO, Felcher & Sons"; it even spells it out on the ad. I nearly spit my drink out while watching the Superbowl, and with my parents there, I didn't want to explain why. I still can't believe that they got away with that one!

[ /useless aside ]

Redlemon, you may win Threadjack of the Year with that one.

I have to agree and just so you know its not accidental....

http://youtube.com/watch?v=17jplpjCaec&mode=related&search=
'with Sanchez Steamer & company'

Amen sistah!

If she doesn't understand that, I just give up.

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I gotta know:

Weird degradation I'm-Yo-Bitch complex-afflicted folks aside... do people consider this kind of activity romantic?

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Scenario:

"Oh, honey... I love you. We have a great life. We bought a house, have three beautiful children, and are saving for that beachfront property... and I suck your wang straight from my gaping shit-funnel."

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Eeergh. (pours Listerine on his soul)

hahaha...YES! I forgot about those stickers. Mr. Ick it is.

This reminds me of a Carlos Mencia thing I heard on the radio...
How does it go...

"It's NEVER ok to leave the door to the bathroom open when you're going number two!"
"No you don't understand, it's never ok!"
"You know why?"
"I pretend nothing comes out of there...because I eat at that restaurant sometimes!"

well it made me chuckle.
Yea as far as the whole head after anal, that's just a no.
I thinks its just unsanitary, take a shower or something after and then do the oral.

To add to that, I was watching Big Gay Al sing "I'm Super (Thanks For Asking)" on YouTube this evening, and lo and behold the logo on the piano says "Felcher and Sons."

:lol:

Here is the video
http://youtube.com/watch?v=El-qtrfCJwc

That's Mr. Yukk, not Mr. Ick.

I don't see how washing makes rimming much safer. Just because no poop can be seen doesn't mean there's no bacteria there.

I've wanted to rim my wife, but I'm chicken.
Actually, I wish I could convince myself that she was a chicken, because it's one of my favorite foods. Is there any chance ass tastes like chicken?

Well, certainly it's always going to be a slightly risky activity. But I don't see how using copious amounts of hot water and soap to clean one part of the body from bacteria is going to be significantly less effective than cleaning another body part in the same manner (e.g. the hands, which come into contact with a heck of lot more bacteria than we'd like to think), as long as normal bowel movements are going on (no diarrhea; it had to be said) and there isn't a lot of hair for shit (literally) to get caught on.

And hey, if you really want to try it but don't want to go tongue-to-skin, just do it with a dental dam or saran wrap. I would think that at least with saran wrap, you get some decent sensation of the texture of the ass, without being in direct contact with all the ickies that might be waiting for you. If you decide it's worth the risk after that, then your wife can soap up and get ready for the next step. If not, no big deal... you played it safe, anyway.

BTW: Here's something about the safety of rimming from a doc in San Francisco... says it's basically okay if you wash with soap and warm water beforehand: http://www.dph.sf.ca.us/sfcityclinic/drk/oralsex5.asp

I can see it both ways.

I don't think she would be at risk for hepatitus, since she would have to have hepatitus in her system already in order to be excreting it.

It is also true that anything coming out of her butt is/was already inside of her.


however, e-coli live in the large intestine, and can cause quite a lot of trouble when introduced 'upstream'



I personally suggest a TFP A2M trial. Let her try to prove her point, and tell us what happens.

While the anus is full of bacteria and ass-to-mouth presents some degree of risk - it's surprisingly not as extreme a risk as people tend to assume. It certainly not FORBIDDINGLY risky.

Medically speaking, the mouth (and whole digestive tract for that matter) is considered external to the body, believe it or not. As such it has a whole bunch of defense mechanisms (e.g. gastric acid and digestive juices) as well as a well-described network of lymph nodes along the digestive tract. In fact your digestive system is home to many bacteria already. Most of the bacteria in fecal material came from the digestive tract to begin with.

Now I wouldn't advise eating shit on a regular basis because there is a threshold on how much your digestive system can handle at once - but, unless someone has hepatitis, dysentery, cholera, rotavirus, c. difficile or some other transmissible illness one really one shouldn't worry as much about ass-to-mouth. While I couldn't class it as a sterile practice - but neither is rubbing your eye with an unwashed hand. And, as with all sexual practice, basic laws of hygiene ought to apply as well (e.g. bathe).

I repeat: Your mouth and digestive tract are considered external to the body.

That's why people don't drop dead from rimming.

Trust me, I'm a doctor.

I don't care if it's healthy or not, I'm not interested in it.

Analingus, yes, I can get down with that, I'm generally not worried about cleanliness on the outside of the anus or as far inside as my tongue can reach, but once a penis starts plunging around in there...ehhh, I don't know, just seems distasteful to me personally.

well, the question was about health.

no accounting for ... uuuuh ... taste.

Granted. :)

If it's a largely healthy practice for couples to engage in, then I'm all for it. At least, as far as this practice is concerned, the person at risk knows exactly whose shit they're dealing with. ;)

last I heard on Love Line with Dr. Drew Pinsky, oral from vagina to anal and back is unhealthy. Bacteria from the anus getting to the vagina can cause a serious infection. ¡¿And someone wants this in their mouth?! Have they seen what lands in the toilet after using it?

In fact Sultana, since you're in the LA area, give Love Line a call, and tape it, or have your friend there with you. Now you'll have a Dr on your side :)

It's a different digestive system obviously... because one belongs to the partner, one to the person doing oral.

Anyways... it's up to her what she does, but she good look up "fecal-oral route" to see what diseases are passed in this manner.

There was no mention of vagina, or anal to vaginal sex here.

I know that anal to vaginal sex can cause yeast infections. I found this out the hard way.

??? But the person doing oral is also the person who was being anally penetrated therefore any fecal matter that is on the penis came from the same person.

I can't believe anyone would think that just because the bacteria lives somewhere in your body, that it's ok to be anywhere in your body.