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MSD · 09-29-2007, 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by match000

How is Mystery any different from any other PUA's? His method certainly involves negs at some point, which are the insults you are referring to. He might not be doing it on TV, but he does do it too.

The stuff I see Mystery doing (and I also watched his show "seduction school" on youtube) is about the pickup and teaches a combination of acting smooth and neurolinguistic programming. Many PUAs I see are all about the sex, the competition (trying to steal each friends' girlfriends for the sake of conquest and showing off to fellow PUAs) and treating women as sex objects and nothing else. Sure, there are negs involved with what Mystery does, but playful teasing has always been a part of flirting and social interaction as opposed to what I see from hardcore PUAs, who seem to revel in finding attractive women with low self-esteem, breaking them down, and fucking them.

match000 · 09-30-2007, 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by MrSelfDestruct

the competition (trying to steal each friends' girlfriends for the sake of conquest and showing off to fellow PUAs)

That's pretty downright low. I haven't seen too much of that but I've only seen the "major" PUA's such as David D, Style, Mystery, etc.

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Originally Posted by MrSelfDestruct

seem to revel in finding attractive women with low self-esteem, breaking them down, and fucking them.

The funny thing is, how the heck do attractive women have low self-esteem? lol, hot chicks are usually so full of themselves

Sultana · 09-30-2007, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by match000

That's pretty downright low. I haven't seen too much of that but I've only seen the "major" PUA's such as David D, Style, Mystery, etc.

The funny thing is, how the heck do attractive women have low self-esteem? lol, hot chicks are usually so full of themselves

Ohh grasshopper, you have a lot to learn.

Sharon · 09-30-2007, 10:09 AM

What Sultana said. Most attractive women know that the way they look holds a lot of power over guys, but the flipside is that sometimes it means we have to do what we can to manage the number of guys who are interested. We just don't have the time to deal with all that, and it can be quite overwhelming. The other problem is that it's hard to know what men's motives are, and if they are interested from the get go, it's natural to assume that they are interested because of the way we look, and therefore their interest is purely sexual. Now I can't speak for every girl here but when I was young and naive I got burned many times by falling for a guy who turned out to only be interested in me for my looks. So forgive me if I'm wary of you, and if I maybe appear a little aloof at first.

match000 · 10-01-2007, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Sharon

What Sultana said. Most attractive women know that the way they look holds a lot of power over guys, but the flipside is that sometimes it means we have to do what we can to manage the number of guys who are interested. We just don't have the time to deal with all that, and it can be quite overwhelming. The other problem is that it's hard to know what men's motives are, and if they are interested from the get go, it's natural to assume that they are interested because of the way we look, and therefore their interest is purely sexual. Now I can't speak for every girl here but when I was young and naive I got burned many times by falling for a guy who turned out to only be interested in me for my looks. So forgive me if I'm wary of you, and if I maybe appear a little aloof at first.

Dealing with too many guys hitting on you surely seems like it could be overwhelming.. but how does that deal a blow to your self-esteem..

I could see how if they are only ever interested in your face and body (instead of your personality and such) that it would eventually make you so "aloof" that it might make you .. umm.. have low self esteem?

Heh, I am just having a hard time seeing it cuz.. well.. if a bunch of chicks (avg or hot doesnt matteR) hit on me daily, i would be cocky up the wazoo. and my self esteem would be mile high

MSD · 10-01-2007, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by match000

Dealing with too many guys hitting on you surely seems like it could be overwhelming.. but how does that deal a blow to your self-esteem..

I could see how if they are only ever interested in your face and body (instead of your personality and such) that it would eventually make you so "aloof" that it might make you .. umm.. have low self esteem?

Heh, I am just having a hard time seeing it cuz.. well.. if a bunch of chicks (avg or hot doesnt matteR) hit on me daily, i would be cocky up the wazoo. and my self esteem would be mile high

Self esteem is not about how others perceive you, it's about yourself.

MSI · 10-01-2007, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by MrFriendly

Like dirtyrascal7, I would also recommend people read The Game.

The writer goes on to point out how becoming a pick up artist started to alienate him more from women than ever before, and that although he now found it easier to pick up women and get them into bed, he still had no real clue how to keep them for any length of time.

What I loved about the book was that he came across someone he really did want to be with and had a connection with and all his little tricks went straight out the window and he was back to square one.

I can certainly understand guys who don't have a lot of confidence needing something to break the ice when talking to women, and having something in which to develop their confidence. But I just find the whole way the culture of pick up artists go about it to be way too cold and clinical. This idea that the opposite sex is to be conquered, with sex being the entire objective using trickery and what I consider mind control is a little sad and pathetic.

awesome!
wish more people thought like this

squeeeb · 10-01-2007, 07:05 PM

i tried his method, here is what happened: i went to the club wearing a huge fuzzy tophat and a trench coat. not one chick talked to me. and some guys tried to kick my ass. i tried again a few nights later, only instead of a huge fuzzy tophat, i had skydiving goggles on top of my head and a huge trench coat. still nothing. that mystery is full of crap.

MSD · 10-01-2007, 07:37 PM

Did someone say "fuzzy tophat"? (no, I do not own the hat, I left it at Party City where it belongs.)

Apokx · 10-01-2007, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by squeeeb

i tried his method, here is what happened: i went to the club wearing a huge fuzzy tophat and a trench coat. not one chick talked to me. and some guys tried to kick my ass. i tried again a few nights later, only instead of a huge fuzzy tophat, i had skydiving goggles on top of my head and a huge trench coat. still nothing. that mystery is full of crap.

I don't think he ever claimed the clothes would get you the chicks, just give you a focal point for conversation.

As for guys trying to kick your ass, I dress in jeans/t-shirts or nice shirts and people still pick fights with me.

Racnad · 10-02-2007, 06:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Sharon

What Sultana said. Most attractive women know that the way they look holds a lot of power over guys, but the flipside is that sometimes it means we have to do what we can to manage the number of guys who are interested. We just don't have the time to deal with all that, and it can be quite overwhelming. The other problem is that it's hard to know what men's motives are, and if they are interested from the get go, it's natural to assume that they are interested because of the way we look, and therefore their interest is purely sexual. Now I can't speak for every girl here but when I was young and naive I got burned many times by falling for a guy who turned out to only be interested in me for my looks. So forgive me if I'm wary of you, and if I maybe appear a little aloof at first.

In my single days that was frustrating for me because many of these same women would complain that there were no good single men, or that all the good men were married or gay. I felt insulted by that becuase I was neither, yet they still acted aloof toward me, gave me fake phone numbers, or claimed to be "busy" when I aksed them out.

Is it really that difficult to tell the difference between the guy who just wants to bang you and move to his next conquest, and the guy who is looking for a relationship based on more than just looks?

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Originally Posted by MrSelfDestruct

Self esteem is not about how others perceive you, it's about yourself.

It appears that getting lots of sexual advances from the opposite sex is good for the self-esteme of men, but bad for women.

match000 · 10-02-2007, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Racnad

It appears that getting lots of sexual advances from the opposite sex is good for the self-esteme of men, but bad for women.

Good point. Perhaps women (no matter how beautiful) are always afraid of being liked just for their body..

Sultana · 10-02-2007, 09:47 AM

I think, to put it simplistically, women tend to think about the motives, and men tend to think, "Hey! I'm having sex soon!"

Viva la difference.

Racnad · 10-02-2007, 12:49 PM

My understanding is that it really fucks with a woman's head if she's taught as a girl to value herself only according to her appearance & sexuality. When men go after her but it becomes apparent that they don't care about her thoughts and feelings (or do only the the extent that get's them laid) it only confirms this negative lesson.

Very few men experience more sexual advances than they have time to persue, so most men can't relate to this. As for the men who do have more sexual opportunities than time to persue them, their attractiveness is usually based on something other than looks. They are athletes, rock stars and/or very wealthy. Imagine if your value to others was based soley on your full head of hair, a reliable erection and not having wrinkes. You'd be afraid of growing old too.

MSD · 10-03-2007, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Racnad

It appears that getting lots of sexual advances from the opposite sex is good for the self-esteme of men, but bad for women.

If you're looking for a relationship but others want nothing more than one-nighters, you're going to start wondering what's wrong with your personality that you can't keep someone. If you're looking for sex and can't hook up with anyone, you're going to start thinking you're ugly. If you're stunningly attractive, have a great personality, and are intimidating to potential partners because of it, you'll start to think that there's something wrong with you. It also works the other way. If you have poor self-esteem, you can make yourself look good to cover up the insecurity.

Racnad · 10-03-2007, 11:07 AM

I don't beleive that stunningly attractive people with great personalities of either gender have any trouble finding partners.

Sometimes there is a very attractive woman who has trouble with men because the men allegedly feel "intimidated" by their beauty, but in discussions (I believe on other boards), we've come to the conclusion that these women actually put out "bitch" or "unavailable" vibes, or "can't find a man" really means "can't find a man I don't disqualify for one reason or another."

10-01-2007, 07:05 PM	#48 (permalink)
squeeeb part of the problem Location: hic et ubique	i tried his method, here is what happened: i went to the club wearing a huge fuzzy tophat and a trench coat. not one chick talked to me. and some guys tried to kick my ass. i tried again a few nights later, only instead of a huge fuzzy tophat, i had skydiving goggles on top of my head and a huge trench coat. still nothing. that mystery is full of crap. __________________ onward to mayhem!

10-02-2007, 09:47 AM	#53 (permalink)
Sultana Falling Angel Location: L.A. L.A. land	I think, to put it simplistically, women tend to think about the motives, and men tend to think, "Hey! I'm having sex soon!" Viva la difference. __________________ "Love is a snowmobile racing across the tundra and then suddenly it flips over, pinning you underneath. At night, the ice weasels come." - Matt Groening My goal? To fulfill my potential.

09-30-2007, 10:09 AM	#44 (permalink)
Sharon Coy, sultry and... naughty! Location: Across the way	What Sultana said. Most attractive women know that the way they look holds a lot of power over guys, but the flipside is that sometimes it means we have to do what we can to manage the number of guys who are interested. We just don't have the time to deal with all that, and it can be quite overwhelming. The other problem is that it's hard to know what men's motives are, and if they are interested from the get go, it's natural to assume that they are interested because of the way we look, and therefore their interest is purely sexual. Now I can't speak for every girl here but when I was young and naive I got burned many times by falling for a guy who turned out to only be interested in me for my looks. So forgive me if I'm wary of you, and if I maybe appear a little aloof at first.

10-02-2007, 12:49 PM	#54 (permalink)
Racnad Crazy Location: Washington State	My understanding is that it really fucks with a woman's head if she's taught as a girl to value herself only according to her appearance & sexuality. When men go after her but it becomes apparent that they don't care about her thoughts and feelings (or do only the the extent that get's them laid) it only confirms this negative lesson. Very few men experience more sexual advances than they have time to persue, so most men can't relate to this. As for the men who do have more sexual opportunities than time to persue them, their attractiveness is usually based on something other than looks. They are athletes, rock stars and/or very wealthy. Imagine if your value to others was based soley on your full head of hair, a reliable erection and not having wrinkes. You'd be afraid of growing old too.

10-03-2007, 11:07 AM	#56 (permalink)
Racnad Crazy Location: Washington State	I don't beleive that stunningly attractive people with great personalities of either gender have any trouble finding partners. Sometimes there is a very attractive woman who has trouble with men because the men allegedly feel "intimidated" by their beauty, but in discussions (I believe on other boards), we've come to the conclusion that these women actually put out "bitch" or "unavailable" vibes, or "can't find a man" really means "can't find a man I don't disqualify for one reason or another."