I do see what your argument, but there are some things that men and women are just wired differently for, in general. That is not to say it isn't without exception, but surely the two genders needed to evolve different social behaviors to survive best. As much research has shown (according to my Communications class), women tend to internalize, while men externalize. And while, yes, generalizations are bad, some things just are different.

I do, however, agree that experiences play a very significant role.

If anything, this thread strengthens the fact that there is no "magic trick" to make you more appealing to the opposite sex in general. On the flip side, everyone wants such different things, the right person who wants everything you have to offer is out there. :thumbsup:

Wrong again - and lazy lazy LAZY assumption on your part!!!!

Third wave feminism is about celebrating differences between sex and gender and acknowledging that we are different but shouldn't be treated differently by institutions and society (jobs, pay scale, etc.). It's a TRAVESTY to pretend we aren't shaped by different experiences. At-work day-care was created initially to help WOMEN not EVERYONE.

I'm so tired of this sex-blind, colorblind PC shit. We have different biological functions. We are socialized differently. Even if we break traditional gender tropes, you, Ono, are a woman in contemporary society.

We're not carbon copies that only differ cuz one has a peen and one has a vag.

I'm not advocating that women be placed on a pedestal. That's your own prejudice right there (incidentally, why do you hate on women who feel they are special?). We're talking about the subtle differences in needs (physiological and social). I sit on a toilet. I like to pee with the seat down. I expect paid pregnancy leave. I'm gonna wear a dress when I get married.

Dunno how to make it any clearer but quit stomping on my right to acknowledge that I'm a woman who menstruates monthly, will carry a child, takes it in the pussy, has fantastic breasts and gets discriminated in the workplace!!!! That's the reality!!!!

EDIT: Society makes us think we're above men???? You're JOKING right? No female president (yet)... most CEOs are male... men still make more money in many cases for the same job.... The only way to move forward is to acknowledge that these differences exist and to do something about it. Don't deny me the fact that my experiences (and subsequently, my needs and wants) are shaped heavily by my sex.

And, many times, there are multiple "right persons". ;)
What was appealing 10 years ago to someone might be a total turn-off now and vice versa. Yes, due to experiences playing a significant role.
I think, as much as we want "different things", we all want respect and to be loved for who we are, shortcomings and all.
And there are always going to be exceptions to what you learn in class-very important to remember. I, for one, do not internalize and have the trail of dropped jaws, destroyed businesses and former friends to prove it. ;) On the other hand, both my spouse and one of my good male friends never speak their minds until they blow a gasket. In fact, I only know of one guy in my life that speaks his mind-there's also been research that suggests that men that internalize suffer heart attacks and strokes more often than women and that women's health, in general, is better because we don't internalize. (Gee, even learning things in class can be biased based on who's teaching it, maybe.)

A little "wear the world like a loose cloak" anyone? ;)

A BRIEF GUIDE TO UNDERSTANDING THE MALE ANIMAL


Maybe it is that easy.

....Ahhhh...to be 18 again....heh

Or 42. Thanks to little blue pills... the body can keep up with the mind for decades.

Trust me...way way past 42, that little pill ain't usually necessary:thumbsup:


Ah, to be able to wear a short dress again....really short...

Yes, you know you're getting old when you look at clothes you really like and say to yourself, 'I would look ridiculous in this.'

It depends on how long you've been with your partner.

I'd guess this links in with the 'how much sex after 10 years' thread but after 17 years, my wife can still get me up giving the right 'look'.

It does link, but it's more than that. Just seeing your long-term partner naked isn't enough to get you hard. She needs to give you the "look" be into it or whatever. New partners need little more than to be there for a guy to respond.

Somebody forgot to tell my husband that. LOL. 12 years and counting.

What's length of time together have to do with getting it up?
Either Jr. can or can't. If seeing your 'long term partner' nekkid isn't doing it for you, it's not because you need a little blue pill....it's probably because you've lost the desire for that longterm partner.

How long have you need with your partner?

Imagine that you and you partner have checked into a hotel and now you're in the room changing for before meeting some friends for dinner. I'm guessing that seeing her naked while she's changing her bra does not produce the same reaction as it did the first time you ever saw her take her bra off.

Jr, can, but with a long term partner, it is more likely to happen in a sexual context than a non-sexual context.

Life happens... sometimes it happens to put a damper on your sex life (in any relationship). Depends on the couple, but I think you can accomplish anything you set your mind to. Ergo, if your sex life ain't jumpin' 30 years in, do something about it (if you are so inclined).

True but in all fairness the first time she took it off with me was for sex, not going out to dinner.

I've grown up a bit now and tbh ANY female just changing to go out to dinner wouldn't do it for me, and despite the length of time I still stare at the wife.

I am not a lesbian, so my friend taking her bra off wouldn't have any affect on me. :D

I have to agree with Ustwo(mercy!)-the reason for staring at the wife shouldn't matter. If seeing her naked getting ready to go out doesn't do it for you, the flame's probably been snuffed.

While this is true for the most part....not having the "same" reaction does not mean a lesser reaction. Personally I find myself endlessly fascinated and excited regardless of the timeframe. It may be a different part of my hormonal brain that deals with it, but its still damn nice.

I suppose I should feel pity that you do not feel it.....so sorry.

Me too (well not your wife, but mine). And I can't see that changing even after 23 years.