Willravel

I know it sounds silly, but outside of hot-for-teacher statutory cases in which the child is CLEARLY consenting (though it's still totally wrong), is it possible for a woman to rape a man?

I don't remember any stories about it, and I was asked the question by a high school friend on AIM today. My first response was, "Not really.", but I thought about it. It's possible.

Thoughts?

Midnight

it absolutely is.

men dont have to mentally consent for their bodies to respond to sexual stimulation.

analog

Technically, every time a woman has sex with a man who is impaired, she is "raping" him, because impairment negates the ability to consent.

As far as actual forced sex, sure. I'm sure it's really (really really) rare, but it could happen.

MrFriendly

I'm sure a guy could be taken while he's asleep.

Or he could be drugged with something like Viagra.

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TotalMILF

Yup. The right combination of sleeping pills to "knock him out" and enough of the little blue pill to keep the one part "awake" and you have an unconscious male with a woody. Or maybe enough alcohol with viagra... I think it could be done, although I'm sure it's pretty rare.

Don't y'all watch Desperate Housewives (referring to Orson's ex "using him" to get pregnant)?? *shakes head in disappointment at TFP's lack of DH fans*

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canuckguy

hard to rape the willing....


i think it can happen but it so rare that is a non issue.

healer

Most definitely, with the right combination of factors. All it would take is a woman large or strong enough to overpower you, or one smart enough to drug you.

If you're taking sex from someone without their consent, it's rape. Whether you're male or female is inconsequential.

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MrFriendly

From what I understand, if you mix Viagra with other drugs or too much booze you're just as likely to kill him.

The thing with sleep, guys will crack a wood while they're asleep, like, in deep sleep even. I had friend who told me she used to fuck her boyfriend when he was asleep.

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Anxst

Men can be sexually stimulated even when not willing. Tie a man down and suck on his penis long enough, and he'll get hard enough for sex, even if he's super scared/horrified/unwilling. It's just how the male body works.

So yes.

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surferlove007

It's true, JS gets hard ons while sleeping and I used to think he was awake and wanting some action, but then he'd roll over and that was that.
(Although on occasion I'd wake him up )


I want to watch desperate housewives, just no opportunities to.

Plan9

Dunno.

I enjoyed it.

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albania

http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_i...1820256C880914 ..... maybe.

Willravel

Wow, from the wording in that article it sounds as if he was raped, but that there is no legal procedure for a woman raping a man so they CAN'T be charged with rape.

Still, the story seems fishy. The only way it would have sounded more fake is if the women were supermodels.

albania

I don't quite believe it myself, but if it were three men and woman it would seem absolutely believable. If a man really got raped by a woman there's probably no chance anyone would ever think he was telling the truth.

Plan9

That's the point.

The male brain is absolutely tortured with sex impulses.

Even if his emotions aren't invested in it... the body is like:

"AWLRIGHT, MAN... LOOK AT US ALL UP IN THAT VAGINA!"

Thus... hard to really make a crime out of it from a biological standpoint.

...

Unless you're gay.

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RenaissanceII

No, Crompsin, you cannot rape the willing.

Having said that,

If it's against the will and unwanted, of whatever gender, IT IS RAPE.
Which is NOT a crime of passion but a crime of power

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shesus

When men get raped it's generally called a seduction. Haven't you heard of the siren song?

Men don't want to admit to being raped because of some of the comments above. People think men constantly want sex...if a man said he was raped, he might seem less of a man. At least that's what came out of the discussion JumpinJesus and I had about this thread.

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Willravel

Well I've been trying to put myself into this situation. If, by some chance, a woman who I was not in the least attracted to were to have me at gunpoint and try to shag me, I'd just be pissed. I'd probably try to get the gun away. That explains why it had to be more than one woman in the case above. One or two went at it, and the third held the gun. And as a man, I could easily get hard even if I didn't want to. There are cases of rape in which women become aroused or even orgasm (which can lead to terrible guilt later, something you learn when you volunteer as a crisis counselor), which isn't their fault. The conscious mind and the body aren't always on the same team.

So yeah, I do think it's possible to rape a man. It's even possible that the news story above is true. The question is: how common can it really be? I don't know of any statistics.

I don't think it's possible for Jessica Alba to rape a straight man, though. Just saying.

World's King

I know it's possible. But the more important question is WHY would a woman need to rape a man?

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Willravel

Need? I dunno. Want? I can think of a few reasons.

JumpinJesus

willravel, I need to understand something real quick before continuing this discussion...are you saying that you volunteered as a crisis counselor for female rape victims?

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Crack

Penis in Vagina is not the only from of sex. That being said, if the woman has a cucumber or a broom stick, then yes, she can rape a man.

But to sexually arouse him enough to cause an erection, then have sex and then he comes back and says that he was not a willing partner is just silly, and would mostly likely be thrown out of any court.

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Terrell

I would agree with those who say that a woman can rape a man. Since I know that my johnson normally wakes up before I do, I think that the way a woman could most easliy pull it off is with a man who is either asleep or unconscious. I think that it's fairly rare though for a woman to do that to a man, and I agree with the other posters that many people wouldn't believe him.

I'm reminded of an episode of Law & Order Special Victims Unit where 3 businesswomen rape a male stripper. IIRC only det Benson believed he was raped, Detective Stabler didn't believe him at all.

I'm reminded of a conversation a few male friends and I had on the topic of sexual harassment when I was in the AF. The gist of the conversation amounted to "why would a man complain about sexual harrassment from a woman. unless she's just really ugly, or you have someone way better at home, why not just give her what she wants?" Grant that sex harrasment isn't as bad as rape, but you get the general picture, men generally are expected to say yes to the sexual advances of a woman unless he has a very good reason to say no.

World's King

Want. We can all understand.


Need. It doesn't make sense.

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Willravel

Suicide line, happened to get a few rape victims.

warrrreagl

So an erection is a mental function? They can be willed away, or willed to not occur at all?

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Terrell

While there are lots of people who probably won't beleive a man who says a woman raped him, him obtaining an erection, should not be considered proof of consent. A man doesn't have to be sexually aroused to get an erection, nor does sexual arousal necessarily mean consent. No, means no regardless of the gender of the person saying no.

vanblah

Why would anyone NEED to rape someone? It's not about 'need.'

Think of any person (female or male) in any position of power using sex as a form of control.

ie. a female manager over a male underling: "If you want that raise or promotion you have to have sex with me." That's coercion which is the sames as rape in my book. Maybe not violent rape; but rape nonetheless.

Willravel

This is why I brought up the fact that some women can become aroused or even orgasm when raped. Do you also believe that they were consenting?

JumpinJesus

My next question then, is: does your information come from first hand accounts of the rape victims that you counselled or from research that you've done?

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Willravel

Not directly with the victims. Without getting into too much detail, there were feelings of guilt stemming from a rape in which the young woman became somewhat aroused. By my understanding, this is a natural bodily reaction that is physiological and not a conscious choice (like nipples hardening when it's cold), and that's how I remember explaining it. I had to hand off the call eventually to one of the licensed professionals who was volunteering, but I had enough time on the line with her to get her story and to calm her down and make her feel comfortable with who she was speaking to. This was only one case, though. Most of the stuff I dealt with was general stress related (ex: I'm flunking chem or a cute boy doesn't like me).

As for research, I did some in school. A lot of this is common sense, though. A rudimentary understanding of sexuality can explain how one can have a physical sexual reaction whether the conscious brain wants it or not. Having been woken up to my wife having some fun with me, I can be living proof of that.

JumpinJesus

I guess my concern comes from this statement you made:

This concerns me because it seems that you're using one example from your experience, some research at school (I'm not sure what constitutes "some"), and what you say is common sense. It seems as if you're going from, "There was this one time..." to "There are cases...in which..."

To be honest, I don't think it could be called common sense to think that a woman would orgasm while being raped. I'm not a woman so I don't know to what extent the female orgasm is a physical response to a traumatic experience.

While you have nothing to prove to me, I'm just curious to know where your information comes from. It helps me frame my discussion a little better.

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Miss Mango

What about those electrical devices?

RenaissanceII

well the physiological happenings as a result of trauma do happen
Analog can tell you better than a layman like myself,
but in certain cases of trauma to the back of a man,
an erection occurs, which is an indicator of the seriousness of the injury.

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Willravel

This whole thing is in dealing with a gray area. I don't want to speak in absolutes when we're not talking about absolutes.
Well it is common knowledge that women can become aroused while being raped. It's documented. It's established. I'm sure if one googles it, once through the loads of innapropriate links, one can find plenty.

Some of it is from schooling. In getting my degree in psychology some of my time was in dealing with human sexuality and some of it was spent on rape.

A better way to establish this would be to talk to a rape counselor. I strongly suspect they could address this better than I. I don't know if a majority of women become aroused when raped. Frankly, I don't feel particularly comfortable thinking about it.

Maybe we should use facts:
Fact #1: Men can become hard without wanting to.
Fact #2: No WMDs were found in Iraq (this finds it s way onto all my fact lists out of habit)
Fact #3: Women can have very strong sexual feelings about a man. Many do.

Based on #1 and 3, it's not outside the realm of possibility that a woman can make a man have sex with her without his consent.

cyklone

Men's sexual arousal is a spinal reflex, modified by the higher cognitive functions. It is possible for a man who is totally paralysed from the neck down to get an erection. So, yes, a man can be sexually aroused even though he doesn't wish to be and then raped. You can be tied up by the ugliest woman imaginable, aroused involuntarily and then raped by her.

MrFriendly

If a woman were to put things in a man anus against his will, is that rape? or just plain old sexual assault?

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Willravel

It could be rape if it's a strap on, but this is still moving in a direction that makes me kinda cringe.

NoSoup

I vaguely recall a case where a man was drugged and while he was unconsious two (possibly three, it was a while ago) used a bent wire coathanger to restrict bloodflow and produced an erection, then had sex with him. That's rape, no questions about it.

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