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Racnad · 09-02-2007, 09:16 PM

At the risk is being flamed for being politically incorrect, according to several sources, including my wife, some women do have rape fantasies and at times can get turned on by rough sex or while role-playing rape scenerios. Based on that, I'd conclude that some women have gotten aroused and have orgasmed during rapes.

The reason discussing this is politically incorrect is because some sick f***s use this information to justify their crimes, by saying "women like to be raped," or "she was enjoying it."

So for the record, in the VAST majority of cases, women DON'T want to be raped. It is an invasion and descrutction of her sole. Anyone interested in trying rape-role playing should first get the full consent of their partner and arrainge a safe word.

And yes, a man can be raped, but it must be a rare event, or they fall more into "quid pro quo" sexual harassment, such as a female boss pressuring a male employee to have sex with her.

BTW, if there are three hot women reading this board who'd like to do a role-play of forcing a man at gunpoint to have intercourse with all three of them, please send me a PM.

Willravel · 09-02-2007, 09:36 PM

That's an excellent point, racnad. Arousal does not always signify consent. In cases of rape, physical reaction (again, by my understanding) is irrelevant. It is the verbal (No! or Stop) and conscious nonverbal (pushing away) signs that are looked for.

cyklone · 09-02-2007, 10:05 PM

I understand the point you make about women becoming aroused during rape can cause a huge problem for the women who have been raped Racnad. Many can feel that their body has betrayed them, or that they must have secretly liked it. I believe the body's response is a reflection of our animal origins and reproductive reflexes, not of our desire or will and it is our will that determines whether it is rape.

Rape is a far cry from collaborating in a consensual fantasy of being overcome and forced where each person is still in control of events.

shesus · 09-02-2007, 10:46 PM

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Rape is a far cry from collaborating in a consensual fantasy of being overcome and forced where each person is still in control of events.

Bingo! When a guy attempted to rape me years ago, I wasn't aroused at all. I'm not saying that some people aren't because I can't answer for every woman or man who was raped or had an attempt made on them.

However, it wasn't the same situation as when I have consensual rough sex. In that latter situation, I want to be with the person and I know that if I say stop, the person will stop.

Hyacinthe · 09-02-2007, 11:35 PM

Everytime I read this thread this comic pops into my head

Infinite_Loser · 09-03-2007, 12:28 AM

I believe you all are missing the very important question: Is the woman in question hot?

shesus · 09-03-2007, 07:45 AM

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I believe you all are missing the very important question: Is the woman in question hot?

This isn't completely directed to you because other people have mentioned it also, or at least eluded to it.

Has anyone ever realized that comments like that are the reason people do not go forward and talk about being raped? If that is what is going to be said then chances are nobody is going to believe the accusation.

The guy that attempted to rape me did so more than once How did he do this more than once? The thing people always tell me is, "More than once, then you must have wanted it, but chickened out at the last minute." Then I got the, "He's so cute, I know you must have a crush on him."

No, I didn't want to have sex with him in the back of the library when I was 13. And I didn't want to have sex with him pushed against a brick wall outside by the dumpsters. I told my boss that I didn't want to go out back with him to be 'safer' because he has attacked me before. My boss laughed at me and said that J would never do that and it was unsafe to go out in the back alley after dark.

So, just because a person is hot doesn't automatically mean that a person wants to have sex with them especially forced into a situation to have sex. I never formally accused the guy because of comments that were made to me when the topic was brought up. And I'm hearing the same comments in this thread. So, yea, you'll probably rarely, if ever, hear of a man that was actually raped.

Willravel · 09-03-2007, 08:58 AM

I should say that some men are different from women in that they'd consensually have sex with a hot woman on the spot, even if she was trying to rape him. That's not to say there is a rule about this, of course, but, if I was single and a really beautiful woman drugged me and had her way with me, I might try to get her number. Yes, most men are shallow in that way. We're not really proud of it, but that's the reality.

One thing that bears repeating: rape is wrong. If you have ever raped anyone, you're a bad person and you should seek immediate psychological help and turn yourself in. If you've been raped, you were victimized in the worst way possible and I'd suggest speaking to someone if you haven't already.

This thread is about a hypothetical question. Shesus, you're a wonderful person and I'm so sorry that happened to you.

waltert · 09-03-2007, 07:43 PM

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But to sexually arouse him enough to cause an erection, then have sex and then he comes back and says that he was not a willing partner is just silly, and would mostly likely be thrown out of any court.

if some broad were to tie me down, hold a knife up to the wanker and tell me to get hard or she was going to cut it off, you can be damn sure I'd find a way to make it work.

I think its fairly possible to rape a man, if a woman so desired.

Terrell · 09-03-2007, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by waltert

if some broad were to tie me down, hold a knife up to the wanker and tell me to get hard or she was going to cut it off, you can be damn sure I'd find a way to make it work.

I think its fairly possible to rape a man, if a woman so desired.

*Fearful visions of Lorena Bobbitt come to mind.* *Shudder*

Fast Forward · 09-04-2007, 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by analog

Technically, every time a woman has sex with a man who is impaired, she is "raping" him, because impairment negates the ability to consent.

"The World According to Garp"?

But everyone seems to be missing the point/definition. Never mind all the bruhaha about "erection" and all that "sexual arousal" stuff.

If a woman shoves an object up a man's bum (without his consent) - she's just raped him. Pure and simple.

ANSWER: Yes. A woman can rape a man.

MrFriendly · 09-04-2007, 06:05 AM

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"The World According to Garp"?

God I loved that book

Racnad · 09-04-2007, 07:28 AM

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I don't think it's possible for Jessica Alba to rape a straight man, though. Just saying.

Well, the legal standard for convicting a person of a crime is that it is proved to a jury "beyond a reasonable doubt." And yes, if Jessica Alba were to be accused of raping a man, the prosecution would be a lot of doubt to overcome. But it is still theoretically possible.

As Shehus pointed out, the perceived attractiveness of the perpetrator is unfortunately a factor in the doubt people will have. This is why jocks and popular guys are more likely to get away with it. People look at him and think "he's a hunk, what college girl wouldn't want to sleep with him?"

As I said earlier, female on male rapes are more likely to be called sexual harassment. If a female boss tells a male employee that he'll be fired if he doesn't have sex with her, it's not enormiously different than a man telling a women she'll be beat up if she doesn't have have sex with him. Not the same thing, but the same neighborhood.

Strange Famous · 09-04-2007, 11:37 AM

well stat rape is different to rape.

I am not saying that stat rape is acceptable by any means, but it is different.

I dont consider some 15 year old boy banging his 25 year old teacher a victime - but it is a double standard for sure.

If a 15 year old girl sleeps willingly with a 25 year old male teacher, you'd think the guy was a pervert who had taken advantage of her.

Switch the genders, and for the boy most people's reaction is "good on him"

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But in relation to the main point - a woman can sexually exploit a male child, of course... but the actual act of rape - well that would be possible only if she fucked a dude with a strap on probably. I think "molestation" and "rape" are different things, even though we rightly consider them both to be the most serious of crimes.

The_Jazz · 09-04-2007, 11:54 AM

Strange Famous, I think you're making an important distinction between molestation and rape. I agree that they aren't necessarily synomous. There are most certainly overlaps, but not in all cases.

Women can certainly rape guys, with or without inserting anything anywhere. If a woman can be raped while incapacitated (i.e. drunk), then so can a man. I have heard a story told by someone that it happened to and there were repercussions for the woman involved, although not criminal (by his choice). Basically, he passed out and awoke to find her on top of him in the middle of intercourse.

Willravel · 09-04-2007, 12:11 PM

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I have heard a story told by someone that it happened to and there were repercussions for the woman involved, although not criminal (by his choice). Basically, he passed out and awoke to find her on top of him in the middle of intercourse.

Jeez. I do see a difference between men and women so far as rape, because of the ability of a man to overpower a woman physically, and that has created a long history of that type of violence. There isn't a huge and very well known history of rape against men by women. Not only that, but many men have a different take on sexuality than women. For example, I can see some guys waking up and smiling to the above situation. I can't see a woman waking up smiling to it, at least not in equal numbers. It may have something to do with women often being in charge of 'who gets laid tonight' as opposed to men. It's that difference that really brought me to start this thread.

The_Jazz · 09-04-2007, 12:20 PM

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Jeez. I do see a difference between men and women so far as rape, because of the ability of a man to overpower a woman physically, and that has created a long history of that type of violence. There isn't a huge and very well known history of rape against men by women. Not only that, but many men have a different take on sexuality than women. For example, I can see some guys waking up and smiling to the above situation. I can't see a woman waking up smiling to it, at least not in equal numbers. It may have something to do with women often being in charge of 'who gets laid tonight' as opposed to men. It's that difference that really brought me to start this thread.

I'm by no means saying its so, but it is possible that it's an unreported or underreported problem. I am the first to agree that it is by no means as prevalent as man-on-woman rape, but examples certainly do exist, if only anecdotally.

Perhaps many men would wake up and smile, but men who are involved in serious relationships most likely would not, nor would a lot of gay men. My story actually comes from the latter, if you can believe that. He was by no means attracted to this woman and thought of her only as a friend. There is certainly a relatively significant minority of men who would not respond happily to this kind of situation.

Willravel · 09-04-2007, 12:30 PM

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I'm by no means saying its so, but it is possible that it's an unreported or underreported problem. I am the first to agree that it is by no means as prevalent as man-on-woman rape, but examples certainly do exist, if only anecdotally.

This is an interesting idea. There really is no way to know just how prevelant this type of thing is because just as a woman might be ashamed and not come forward, it's very easy to imagine how a man might be ashamed and not say anything.

Guys reading this, if you've been sexually assaulted by a woman, it doesn't make you any less of a man. Report it and prevent it from happening to anyone else.

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Perhaps many men would wake up and smile, but men who are involved in serious relationships most likely would not, nor would a lot of gay men. My story actually comes from the latter, if you can believe that. He was by no means attracted to this woman and thought of her only as a friend. There is certainly a relatively significant minority of men who would not respond happily to this kind of situation.

Being spoken for myself, I'd be livid. The thing is, I'd tell me wife and then my wife would be on trial for murder. When I put myself back into my single days, though, I can't imagine a situation where I wake up to a sexual encounter with a good looking woman where I end up filing charges (unless she has an STD). Yes, I realize how shallow that is, but in the interest of the thread it's best to be honest.

So in the case you described the gentleman was homosexual and was sexually assaulted by a woman? Wow. I can't imagine how uncomfortable that was for him.

Racnad · 09-04-2007, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by willravel

Jeez. I do see a difference between men and women so far as rape, because of the ability of a man to overpower a woman physically, and that has created a long history of that type of violence. There isn't a huge and very well known history of rape against men by women. Not only that, but many men have a different take on sexuality than women. For example, I can see some guys waking up and smiling to the above situation. I can't see a woman waking up smiling to it, at least not in equal numbers. It may have something to do with women often being in charge of 'who gets laid tonight' as opposed to men. It's that difference that really brought me to start this thread.

While on average, men aare physically stronger than women, son't assume it is true in ALL cases. A large, athletic woman may certainly be more powerful than a small, non-athletic man.

I think most would a agree that a man could be anally raped with a strap-on or other object, or could be forced at knife-or gun point to have oral sex with a woman, so we'l just talk about forced penis-vagina sex. The fact that a man has to be erect for vaginal sex would raise significant doubt in any jury being asked to believe that a man did not consent to having sex. I would think that a married man who firmly didn't want to cheat would likey not have an erection if a powerful woman were trying to get his penis into her - but not having been in that situation, I'm not sure.

Even describing that situation I'm thinking "Yeah, right!" Women who want sex hard enough can usually manage to seduce someone, even if they're not very attractive. And that is consensual and not rape.

This is why rape cases against women accused of raping adult men are very rare, if they happen at all.

Willravel · 09-04-2007, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Racnad

The fact that a man has to be erect for vaginal sex would raise significant doubt in any jury being asked to believe that a man did not consent to having sex. I would think that a married man who firmly didn't want to cheat would likey not have an erection if a powerful woman were trying to get his penis into her - but not having been in that situation, I'm not sure.

This assumes that an erection is a conscious decision. In my experience (read: EXTENSIVE), it's not always something where you go, "Alright, GO!" and it inflates. It's a natural reaction to stimulation of some kind. Also,m as I've said, arousal isn't something that can be used in cases where women are raped to suggest it's consensual. I googled this the other day and found a story where a woman had been raped by her boyfriend. He knew what she liked so he was able to make her climax. Does that make it any less of a rape, though? Absolutely not, imo.

Racnad · 09-04-2007, 01:53 PM

That maybe true, but juries would tend to see an erection as evidence of consent. It would be very difficult to get a conviction.

Also it was you that suggested that if it was Jessica Alba, it couldn't be rape, so if the accused looks anything like Jessica Alba, they shouldn't have you on the jury

Willravel · 09-04-2007, 04:44 PM

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That maybe true, but juries would tend to see an erection as evidence of consent. It would be very difficult to get a conviction.

Unless the prosecution could establish that an erection can happen absent a conscious decision.

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Also it was you that suggested that if it was Jessica Alba, it couldn't be rape, so if the accused looks anything like Jessica Alba, they shouldn't have you on the jury

Yeah, I might have to recuse myself. Probably end up with an all female jury.

analog · 09-04-2007, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Racnad

The fact that a man has to be erect for vaginal sex would raise significant doubt in any jury being asked to believe that a man did not consent to having sex. I would think that a married man who firmly didn't want to cheat would likey not have an erection if a powerful woman were trying to get his penis into her - but not having been in that situation, I'm not sure.

Well to start with, sex does not need to occur for there to be sexual assault. That would be like saying a man has to have sex with a woman to sexually assault her.

Second- and maybe this is just me- I've had my penis for a good while now (since I was born, in fact), and I can say for a fact that you can consciously wish NOT to be erect and it will still stand right the hell up, with or even without manual stimulation. I would think every male on the planet over the age of 13 would be similarly knowledgeable on that point... the penis does what it wants.

Kabsnow · 09-04-2007, 08:11 PM

while its never happened to me, it has happened to quite a few of my friends. they drink until they black out, wake up the next day and find out they got a blow job or had sex... and have no recollection of the event. not only does it scare the shit out of them, they actually do feel violated, it wasn't consensual, and that is rape.

Racnad · 09-04-2007, 09:05 PM

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Second- and maybe this is just me- I've had my penis for a good while now (since I was born, in fact), and I can say for a fact that you can consciously wish NOT to be erect and it will still stand right the hell up, with or even without manual stimulation. I would think every male on the planet over the age of 13 would be similarly knowledgeable on that point... the penis does what it wants.

In my 40+ years of life, I have expereinced many things, but one thing I haven't experenced is NOT wanting to have an erection while a woman nearby is trying to make you to have one.

But I think think most of us have experienced erection trouble on occasions where we were in some sort of situation we weren't comfortable with, such as a woman you really don't like and have no business sleeping with.

The closest I've been to having attractive women around when I really DIDN'T want an erection was when I was about 21 years old visiting a nudist resort. I was fine hanging out by the pool, with about 50 people sunbathing and playing in the water. I figured this was because while there were a few reasonably attractive women around, there were also plently of not-so attractive naked people around, including children, elderly, and others you really don't want to see naked.

Then a guy who was acting as my "tour guy" invited me to the bar that was on the property. On the way there, the path went diectly past a film crew from the Playboy Channel who was interviewing a young lady because - well, she was exactly the sort of women the Playboy channel would want to film an interview of, especially if she were naked, which she was. Would I be able to walk within two feet of her without the fact that I found her attractive becoming obvious to all?

It turns out I could, and decided that the part of the brain that controls the erection needs to believe the sex is immenent for it to respond (although this part of the brain is easly fooled by porn, idle fastasy, etc.) Just seeing an attractive naked isn't enough.

Further, I'm guessing that about 98 percent of women could not cause me to be erect if I didn't want to be erect (even thogh I could have sex with them if I wanted), but I concede that the top 2 percent hottest (according to me) could give me an involuntary erection provided I watched them do and heard them say whatever it took.

But still, when I try to imagine a scenario where a woman uses physical force to get a penis of a unwilling, uncooperative man into her vagina, I can't think of anything that's not far fetched (mind you I'm not talking about anal rape or oral-at-gunpoint or anything like that)

monkeysugar · 09-04-2007, 09:38 PM

I don't believe that having an erection is something that requires mental arousal or a conscious decision. For example: Think back to your high school days. That was over seven years ago for me and I still remember getting a raging boners for no apparent reason that would *not* go away and having to strategically position my pile of books so as to hide it when I had to step into the hallway between classes.

I would say that it is possible for a woman to rape a man via vaginal intercourse, and any other sexual act that was not consented to I would consider to be rape as well.

Fast Forward · 09-05-2007, 12:08 AM

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God I loved that book

Me too!

ironpham · 09-05-2007, 08:04 AM

The first thing that comes to mind is Wedding Crashers and the scene where that girl ties up Vince Vaughn in the middle of the night...

Willravel · 09-05-2007, 08:54 AM

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The first thing that comes to mind is Wedding Crashers and the scene where that girl ties up Vince Vaughn in the middle of the night...

For Vince Vaughn's character that might have been rape. For most people having Isla Fisher tie you down and have her way with you isn't, but it was clear her advances were unwanted and he made it clear. We laugh, but can you imagine if the roles had been reversed? It clearly would have been rape. Vince Vaughn ties down Isla Fisher and has his way with her? Not funny. Isla Fisher ties down Vince Vaughn and has her way with him? Comedy gold.

Strange Famous · 09-05-2007, 11:07 AM

If we speak only of adults who are mentally capable.... then I do not believe a woman can rape a man. A woman could molest or assault a man... but rape is a crime of violence before it is a crime of sex. Rape is a hate crime, and the damage which is done to a woman by the act of rape cannot be done by a woman to a man in my opinion.

Even if she was to drug or overpower a dude and use some kind of strap on tool to sodomise him... I think this would be assault and battery rather than rape.

It is possible that a man may be raped though... by another man.

Willravel · 09-05-2007, 11:31 AM

When I looked up rape, the first definition was specific to women being the victim. The second definition, "any act of sexual intercourse that is forced upon a person", seems a better explanation to me, and could include men.

Terrell · 09-05-2007, 05:58 PM

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If we speak only of adults who are mentally capable.... then I do not believe a woman can rape a man. A woman could molest or assault a man... but rape is a crime of violence before it is a crime of sex. Rape is a hate crime, and the damage which is done to a woman by the act of rape cannot be done by a woman to a man in my opinion.

I agree that rape is a violent crime, but I don't think that women are incapable of violence. I think it's also possible to use other means to overcome a victim, rather than just using brute force, a weapon or any other form of physical violence. To me whether or not it's rape rests on the issue of consent. It's possible, as others have stated, for a woman to overcome a man's resistance by drugging him, or if she's in a position of power over him using her position to get sex from him. (it's rape if the genders are reversed as well IMO). There's also the possiblity of blackmail, I would think that the only limits on how this could be done are only limited by the imagination and resoursefullness of the perpretrator.

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Even if she was to drug or overpower a dude and use some kind of strap on tool to sodomise him... I think this would be assault and battery rather than rape.

Why is it not rape, or at the very least sexual assault or sexual battery? Why is it just plain assault and battery? Does a man's lack of consent for sex, mean less than a woman's? IMO it's rape whenever one partner says no, or is incapacitated to the point they cannot say no (or yes), and the other person takes sexual advantage of them. Why should it matter the gender of the aggressor, or the gender of the victim whether or not it's rape?

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It is possible that a man may be raped though... by another man.

It is possible for male on male rape, but I don't think that is the only possiblity.

kramus · 09-05-2007, 06:32 PM

Many years ago I read an account of a large, powerful woman tying up a teenaged boy, inserting a probe in his anus to stimulate his prostate and induce an erection, mounting him and then strangling him while still riding on his erect penis. The fellow had declined her advances and apparently found her both unattractive and downright scary.
As I say, this is a vague recollection of an account going back over 30 years, so I really have no data or accurate information. Is there anyone out there who can confirm or deny that vigorous prostate massage will cause an erection in an unwilling male? I do know that erections caused by strangulation is a documented fact, and indeed in the good old days people used to collect the ejaculate from hanged men for purposes best left to the imagination. So a woman could bind a man and possibly choke him till he got hard, then fuck him. I would call that rape.

ssratt · 09-06-2007, 02:52 AM

That is a most definite YES!!

If a man rapes a woman and just by chance hits the right spot to give her an orgasm does that mean it was not raped and she consented at "that" moment?

If a Child molester rapes a boy and he has an erection/ejaculation, the molester will say in court that he liked it because he "responded"

The same thing applies here just because they are both adults in no way rules it out

It is societies view on these things that make it harder for a victim to report it, because in their minds they to are thinking they must have wanted it since they "enjoyed it"

For those that cannot imagine it, you are the people that will end up on the jury, and even if there was video tape,broken bones and years of therapy bills
you would spend 5minutes in the jury room saying "he wanted it" and let her go (Q would you say the same thing if they were both guys and the victim said he was straight- or what if he was gay{boy will be boys?})

Plan9 · 09-06-2007, 08:34 AM

Fun Legalese Trivia:

According to the FBI's UCR (a national report) "forcible rape" ("big 4" category, up there with homicide, aggr. assault, and robbery) is defined as forceful man-on-woman and Tab A / Slot A (penis-in-vagina) toolbox action without consent. It doesn't cover sodomy (Slot B, Slot C) or sexual assault/battery. Kinda outdated.

The UCR also defines "rape" (different, "generalized" crime), a secondary category crime, as being forceful sexual intercourse without consent. This crime, known only as "rape", also MAY (jurisdiction / circumstance) include man-on-man (natural women can't biologically penetrate legally because of a lack of a penis).

Meh.

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Many years ago I read an account of a large, powerful woman tying up... ...call that rape.

Where do I sign up!?

Ustwo · 09-06-2007, 11:07 AM

Outside of some bizarre blackmail situation, I can't see how I could be "raped". Mr. Happy isn't going to be happy if he doesn't want to do it and while I have better 'control' than a lot of men (you will have to trust me on this one

) I'd have to use all of that if I was going to be forced.

Likewise if I were drunk, or drugged, again, I as a male wouldn't think of it as rape. It just wouldn't register as "rape". Hell I've had a few instances of beer goggles in my life, I don't feel raped for any of them.

Finally the strap on thing wouldn't be rape to me, but it would be assault. The reason being, is that to me being anally violated is not sexual. Maybe my wacky female attacker would think of it as so, but its not part of my own sexuality.

But this doesn't answer the question can a man be raped by a woman, perhaps some men could, but I don't think I could be.

Daemon1313 · 09-07-2007, 11:10 AM

From a moral/physical/thoeretical stand point I would say yes. But depending on the state you live in legally it is not possible for a woman to rape a man. i.e. in my case Georgia code 16-6-1 defines rape as:

"A person commits the offense of rape when he has carnal knowledge of a female forcibly and against her will; or a female who is less than ten years of age. Carnal knowledge in rape occurs when there is any penetration of the female sex organ by the male sex organ."

ssratt · 09-07-2007, 02:32 PM

Daemon1313: Now that's stupid, I hope there is something else in the codes to cover molestation of buy by M or F, or something to cover gay rape.

Topic: besides physical there are also those that have had a history of abuse growing up, and the only way they know of keeping the peace is to go along even if the say no at first, since it is useless.

See: Learned Helplessness

Daemon1313 · 09-13-2007, 01:09 PM

It's Georgia what do you expect. But yes it would be illegal, just not rape.

It would be considered sexual battery if she raped him in the normal sexual sense. It would aggravated sexual battery if she raped him in the 12" strap on sense.

Shauk · 09-13-2007, 02:06 PM

Ok, threadjacking.

I won some free passes to a show in spokane and just posted up "hey looking for a concert buddy" on craigslist. Someone who was entirely disinterested in the concert and just wanted to make out with me (she says this in her 1st email to me) contacts me and says "hit me back for some pics"

so I'm like "meh, fine, lets see what this is" I email back something like "thanks for your interest, hit me with what ya got I guess" and she sends 2 pictures from a new email address that she says is her work address.

I do a google on the domain that her new email belongs to and it's like some anesthesiologist association or something.

I was kinda creeped out, and she wasn't my type anyway, looked like she was quite a bit older than me and etc insert shallow reasons here.

I coulda been raeped!

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Infinite_Loser Junkie Location: Lake Mary, FL	I believe you all are missing the very important question: Is the woman in question hot? __________________ I believe in equality; Everyone is equally inferior to me.

09-04-2007, 11:37 AM	#54 (permalink)
Strange Famous follower of the child's crusade?	well stat rape is different to rape. I am not saying that stat rape is acceptable by any means, but it is different. I dont consider some 15 year old boy banging his 25 year old teacher a victime - but it is a double standard for sure. If a 15 year old girl sleeps willingly with a 25 year old male teacher, you'd think the guy was a pervert who had taken advantage of her. Switch the genders, and for the boy most people's reaction is "good on him" __ But in relation to the main point - a woman can sexually exploit a male child, of course... but the actual act of rape - well that would be possible only if she fucked a dude with a strap on probably. I think "molestation" and "rape" are different things, even though we rightly consider them both to be the most serious of crimes. __________________ "Do not tell lies, and do not do what you hate, for all things are plain in the sight of Heaven. For nothing hidden will not become manifest, and nothing covered will remain without being uncovered." The Gospel of Thomas

09-04-2007, 11:54 AM	#55 (permalink)
The_Jazz Asshole Administrator Location: Chicago	Strange Famous, I think you're making an important distinction between molestation and rape. I agree that they aren't necessarily synomous. There are most certainly overlaps, but not in all cases. Women can certainly rape guys, with or without inserting anything anywhere. If a woman can be raped while incapacitated (i.e. drunk), then so can a man. I have heard a story told by someone that it happened to and there were repercussions for the woman involved, although not criminal (by his choice). Basically, he passed out and awoke to find her on top of him in the middle of intercourse. __________________ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - B. Franklin "There ought to be limits to freedom." - George W. Bush "We have met the enemy and he is us." - Pogo

09-04-2007, 09:38 PM	#66 (permalink)
monkeysugar I'll be on the veranda, since you're on the cross. Location: Rand McNally's friendliest small town in America. They must have strayed from the dodgy parts...	I don't believe that having an erection is something that requires mental arousal or a conscious decision. For example: Think back to your high school days. That was over seven years ago for me and I still remember getting a raging boners for no apparent reason that would not go away and having to strategically position my pile of books so as to hide it when I had to step into the hallway between classes. I would say that it is possible for a woman to rape a man via vaginal intercourse, and any other sexual act that was not consented to I would consider to be rape as well. __________________ I've got the love of my life and a job that I enjoy most of the time. Life is good.

09-02-2007, 09:16 PM	#41 (permalink)
Racnad Crazy Location: Washington State	At the risk is being flamed for being politically incorrect, according to several sources, including my wife, some women do have rape fantasies and at times can get turned on by rough sex or while role-playing rape scenerios. Based on that, I'd conclude that some women have gotten aroused and have orgasmed during rapes. The reason discussing this is politically incorrect is because some sick f***s use this information to justify their crimes, by saying "women like to be raped," or "she was enjoying it." So for the record, in the VAST majority of cases, women DON'T want to be raped. It is an invasion and descrutction of her sole. Anyone interested in trying rape-role playing should first get the full consent of their partner and arrainge a safe word. And yes, a man can be raped, but it must be a rare event, or they fall more into "quid pro quo" sexual harassment, such as a female boss pressuring a male employee to have sex with her. BTW, if there are three hot women reading this board who'd like to do a role-play of forcing a man at gunpoint to have intercourse with all three of them, please send me a PM.

09-02-2007, 09:36 PM	#42 (permalink)
Willravel ... a sort of licensed troubleshooter.	That's an excellent point, racnad. Arousal does not always signify consent. In cases of rape, physical reaction (again, by my understanding) is irrelevant. It is the verbal (No! or Stop) and conscious nonverbal (pushing away) signs that are looked for.

09-02-2007, 10:05 PM	#43 (permalink)
cyklone Crazy Location: Adelaide, South Australia	I understand the point you make about women becoming aroused during rape can cause a huge problem for the women who have been raped Racnad. Many can feel that their body has betrayed them, or that they must have secretly liked it. I believe the body's response is a reflection of our animal origins and reproductive reflexes, not of our desire or will and it is our will that determines whether it is rape. Rape is a far cry from collaborating in a consensual fantasy of being overcome and forced where each person is still in control of events.

09-03-2007, 08:58 AM	#48 (permalink)
Willravel ... a sort of licensed troubleshooter.	I should say that some men are different from women in that they'd consensually have sex with a hot woman on the spot, even if she was trying to rape him. That's not to say there is a rule about this, of course, but, if I was single and a really beautiful woman drugged me and had her way with me, I might try to get her number. Yes, most men are shallow in that way. We're not really proud of it, but that's the reality. One thing that bears repeating: rape is wrong. If you have ever raped anyone, you're a bad person and you should seek immediate psychological help and turn yourself in. If you've been raped, you were victimized in the worst way possible and I'd suggest speaking to someone if you haven't already. This thread is about a hypothetical question. Shesus, you're a wonderful person and I'm so sorry that happened to you.

09-04-2007, 01:53 PM	#61 (permalink)
Racnad Crazy Location: Washington State	That maybe true, but juries would tend to see an erection as evidence of consent. It would be very difficult to get a conviction. Also it was you that suggested that if it was Jessica Alba, it couldn't be rape, so if the accused looks anything like Jessica Alba, they shouldn't have you on the jury

09-04-2007, 08:11 PM	#64 (permalink)
Kabsnow Registered User Location: CA	while its never happened to me, it has happened to quite a few of my friends. they drink until they black out, wake up the next day and find out they got a blow job or had sex... and have no recollection of the event. not only does it scare the shit out of them, they actually do feel violated, it wasn't consensual, and that is rape.

09-05-2007, 08:04 AM	#68 (permalink)
ironpham DOOMTRAIN Location: NC	The first thing that comes to mind is Wedding Crashers and the scene where that girl ties up Vince Vaughn in the middle of the night...

09-05-2007, 11:07 AM	#70 (permalink)
Strange Famous follower of the child's crusade?	If we speak only of adults who are mentally capable.... then I do not believe a woman can rape a man. A woman could molest or assault a man... but rape is a crime of violence before it is a crime of sex. Rape is a hate crime, and the damage which is done to a woman by the act of rape cannot be done by a woman to a man in my opinion. Even if she was to drug or overpower a dude and use some kind of strap on tool to sodomise him... I think this would be assault and battery rather than rape. It is possible that a man may be raped though... by another man. __________________ "Do not tell lies, and do not do what you hate, for all things are plain in the sight of Heaven. For nothing hidden will not become manifest, and nothing covered will remain without being uncovered." The Gospel of Thomas

09-05-2007, 11:31 AM	#71 (permalink)
Willravel ... a sort of licensed troubleshooter.	When I looked up rape, the first definition was specific to women being the victim. The second definition, "any act of sexual intercourse that is forced upon a person", seems a better explanation to me, and could include men.

09-05-2007, 06:32 PM	#73 (permalink)
kramus loving the curves Location: my Lady's manor	Many years ago I read an account of a large, powerful woman tying up a teenaged boy, inserting a probe in his anus to stimulate his prostate and induce an erection, mounting him and then strangling him while still riding on his erect penis. The fellow had declined her advances and apparently found her both unattractive and downright scary. As I say, this is a vague recollection of an account going back over 30 years, so I really have no data or accurate information. Is there anyone out there who can confirm or deny that vigorous prostate massage will cause an erection in an unwilling male? I do know that erections caused by strangulation is a documented fact, and indeed in the good old days people used to collect the ejaculate from hanged men for purposes best left to the imagination. So a woman could bind a man and possibly choke him till he got hard, then fuck him. I would call that rape. __________________ And now to disengage the clutch of the forebrain ... I'm going with this - if you like artwork visit http://markfineart.ca

09-06-2007, 02:52 AM	#74 (permalink)
ssratt Upright Location: S.F	That is a most definite YES!! If a man rapes a woman and just by chance hits the right spot to give her an orgasm does that mean it was not raped and she consented at "that" moment? If a Child molester rapes a boy and he has an erection/ejaculation, the molester will say in court that he liked it because he "responded" The same thing applies here just because they are both adults in no way rules it out It is societies view on these things that make it harder for a victim to report it, because in their minds they to are thinking they must have wanted it since they "enjoyed it" For those that cannot imagine it, you are the people that will end up on the jury, and even if there was video tape,broken bones and years of therapy bills you would spend 5minutes in the jury room saying "he wanted it" and let her go (Q would you say the same thing if they were both guys and the victim said he was straight- or what if he was gay{boy will be boys?}) Last edited by ssratt; 09-06-2007 at 03:07 AM..

09-06-2007, 11:07 AM	#76 (permalink)
Ustwo Pissing in the cornflakes	Outside of some bizarre blackmail situation, I can't see how I could be "raped". Mr. Happy isn't going to be happy if he doesn't want to do it and while I have better 'control' than a lot of men (you will have to trust me on this one ) I'd have to use all of that if I was going to be forced. Likewise if I were drunk, or drugged, again, I as a male wouldn't think of it as rape. It just wouldn't register as "rape". Hell I've had a few instances of beer goggles in my life, I don't feel raped for any of them. Finally the strap on thing wouldn't be rape to me, but it would be assault. The reason being, is that to me being anally violated is not sexual. Maybe my wacky female attacker would think of it as so, but its not part of my own sexuality. But this doesn't answer the question can a man be raped by a woman, perhaps some men could, but I don't think I could be. __________________ Agents of the enemies who hold office in our own government, who attempt to eliminate our "freedoms" and our "right to know" are posting among us, I fear.....on this very forum. - host Obama - Know a Man by the friends he keeps. Last edited by Ustwo; 09-06-2007 at 11:25 AM..

09-07-2007, 11:10 AM	#77 (permalink)
Daemon1313 Crazy Location: Atlanta	From a moral/physical/thoeretical stand point I would say yes. But depending on the state you live in legally it is not possible for a woman to rape a man. i.e. in my case Georgia code 16-6-1 defines rape as: "A person commits the offense of rape when he has carnal knowledge of a female forcibly and against her will; or a female who is less than ten years of age. Carnal knowledge in rape occurs when there is any penetration of the female sex organ by the male sex organ." __________________ A clear conscience is usually the sign of a bad memory.

09-07-2007, 02:32 PM	#78 (permalink)
ssratt Upright Location: S.F	Daemon1313: Now that's stupid, I hope there is something else in the codes to cover molestation of buy by M or F, or something to cover gay rape. Topic: besides physical there are also those that have had a history of abuse growing up, and the only way they know of keeping the peace is to go along even if the say no at first, since it is useless. See: Learned Helplessness

09-13-2007, 01:09 PM	#79 (permalink)
Daemon1313 Crazy Location: Atlanta	It's Georgia what do you expect. But yes it would be illegal, just not rape. It would be considered sexual battery if she raped him in the normal sexual sense. It would aggravated sexual battery if she raped him in the 12" strap on sense. __________________ A clear conscience is usually the sign of a bad memory.

09-13-2007, 02:06 PM	#80 (permalink)
Shauk Confused Adult Location: Spokane, WA	Ok, threadjacking. I won some free passes to a show in spokane and just posted up "hey looking for a concert buddy" on craigslist. Someone who was entirely disinterested in the concert and just wanted to make out with me (she says this in her 1st email to me) contacts me and says "hit me back for some pics" so I'm like "meh, fine, lets see what this is" I email back something like "thanks for your interest, hit me with what ya got I guess" and she sends 2 pictures from a new email address that she says is her work address. I do a google on the domain that her new email belongs to and it's like some anesthesiologist association or something. I was kinda creeped out, and she wasn't my type anyway, looked like she was quite a bit older than me and etc insert shallow reasons here. I coulda been raeped!