Women like muscly men....apparently - Tilted Forum Project Discussion Community

MrFriendly · 07-10-2007, 01:54 AM

I stumbled accross this else where, and, well, I though the article was worthy of discussion.

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/news...833467911.html

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Muscular young men are likely to have more sex partners than their less-chiselled peers, researchers at the University of California Los Angeles say.

Their study, published today in the Personality and Social Psychology Bulletin, suggests muscles in men are akin to elaborate tail feathers in male peacocks: They attract females looking for a virile mate.

"Women are predisposed to prefer muscularity in men," said study author David Frederick of UCLA.

"Most research is focused on what men find physically attractive in women and the career traits women find attractive in men," Frederick said.

"Much less research is devoted to what women find attractive."

He said prior studies concluded a man's desirability was influenced more by his earning potential and commitment. His study found physical characteristics mattered more.

Women were more physically attracted to brawny men, especially for a fling. But when it comes to finding a long-term partner, they tend to pick a regular man over a mate with huge biceps.

"On the one hand, it makes them more sexy to women. On the other hand, it makes women more suspicious about their romantic intentions," Frederick said.

He and colleagues interviewed 99 male undergraduates about their sexual histories. Muscular men were twice as likely to have had more than three sex partners than less-built types.

Frederick and colleagues also asked 141 college women to look at six standardised silhouettes of men ranging from brawny to slender.

Most preferred a toned man who was more likely to commit over a muscle-bound man they perceived as more volatile, aggressive and dominant.

I personally think this article is complete tripe.

For starters, the sample range is of 141 women who in college. How is that supposed to reflect what a majority of women feel. And 99 male undergraduates, no doubt all of similar age and socio economic backgrounds.

I think many of you here will agree, sexual attraction is very much down to individual and personal taste.

What I really don't like is how insinuates that a big muscly man is going to be less suitable as a long term partner than a regular man. Or that a guy with a regular body wont be as sexually active as a muscle guy. Not only that, I feel it paints all women, based on a small sample, to be superficial.

So what are your thoughts on this article?

JustJess · 07-10-2007, 03:52 AM

In a broad, stereotypical sense... I think there's some truth to that. Especially in a place like NYC. Women get pretty practical about potential partners the older they get. They're just as superficial as men - we, too, like a nice chest - but just like men look at a woman all dolled up in tight clothes and a bit of extra make up and think "score!"... women look at a muscley guy in a tight shirt and think "score!" too.

We have stereotypical expectations of these looks - they are probably programmed in from a young age, really. Think about it... in Hollywood, who's the dependable type, the nice guy (or gal)? The boy next door look, the loveable schlub. Who's having all the irresponsible (and hot) sex? The muscley one. When we're looking for a partner and not just some sex, we look at a broader picture, just like men. I'm not a physically perfect specimen, but Q wants me anyway - he wanted a partner, not a toy. But if he were out at a club (ok, stop laughing, it could happen!), what kind of girl do you think would get all the attention?

It's all in how we advertise ourselves. And a man who's bothered to get muscley is advertising.

Hyacinthe · 07-10-2007, 08:11 AM

I disagree with the study completely. I'm probably within the age group that they worked with (low 20's) and I've actually never gone out with a muscly or toned guy. Not because I couldn't I've had a few offers but because I haven't been attracted to them as an individual. My partners have always tended to be skinny or slightly pudgy (just a few love handles).

I'd rather go out with someone I can have a decent conversation about my latest computer game frenzy or the book I am reading, a guy that's willing to come and watch my dance shows and even if he doesn't want to be there pretend he does to support me then someone who is just eye candy.

Hmmm kinda shows in who I picked as sexy in the 'sexy people' thread to lol, smart, slightly awkward Dr type.

But moving aside from what is after all just my personal preference / history the study wasn't done in an overly accurate way. First of all the selection of subjects was WAY too small and all come from the same area geographically (and probably socio-economically). This also applies to the male applicants. Also ALL of these people selected have the same level of education - I would like to see how a similar studywould have gone if they had selected people working minimum wage jobs.

The entire thing about muscular men being more aggressive is completely ridiculous as well. Some muscular men are extremely concious about their strength and go to great lengths to ensure they don't hurt anyone where as a coke addict is more likely to be skeletally slender and suffer from extreme mood swings.

But yeah as you can see I don't find it very scientifically accurate.

Seaver · 07-10-2007, 08:54 AM

Sorry but I don't buy it.

You fail to draw the destinction between personalit and body type. YOU are failing to see what the study is pointing out. Imagine you have the choice in body type between two guys. Their personalities are the exact same, and both will appreciate you equally. Now you get to choose between them both, would you choose the Steve Buscemi looking guy or Brad Pitt's bod in Troy.

Are you honestly going to lie and say you don't prefer Pitt?

That is all this is pointing out, you prefer the toned body type.

Hyacinthe · 07-10-2007, 09:12 AM

Actually I don't find Brad Pitt at all attractive. Maybe I'm a little odd that way but it's just working on plain physical responses, like I said that was about me and my history and personal preferences not overly about the study. I guess I tend to stereotype toned / muscly guys as less then interested in the same things I am, not overly fair to them really.

I did point out that that section of the post was directed towards my own personal preferences, the majority of women would probably disagree with me and they have every right to. As for your comment about lying, I really don't see the point in lying to a group of what are thus far faceless people on a forum site. I kinda resent the implication that if someone disagrees with what YOU find attractive they must be lying though.

Your post does not address the fact they they selected a very small and controlled group of both men and women for this study however. If they had selected say 500 from different age, cultural, religious, social and educational backgrounds and the same results had come back then I would be far more open to the results.

Fact of the matter is each society has a different opinion on what is physically attractive - look at paintings and sculptures from different periods in history, you very rarely see the nymph like women that are held up as beautiful in todays media in a Romantic era painting and statuesque women used to be the ideal. Even today different places in the world find different features attractive, many men from western cultures find Asian women attractive yet one Asian country has a 45% plastic surgery rate for women wanting to look more western.

The thing I object to in this study isn't that it doesn't agree with me and my personal preferences but that they are saying it's scientific when they have not taken into account the influence of the society these people are living in and how this effects what they consider physically attractive.

Plan9 · 07-10-2007, 09:32 AM

I call bullsh*t! (Throws out red flag)

See, I've GOT the ultra-chic superficial ravioli abs and tennis balls in my arms and get no play.

...

It must be my taste in music.

...

Okay, its my face. (hangs head, cries)

Hyacinthe · 07-10-2007, 09:40 AM

Crompsin I've got to be honest I have no idea whether you're talking about my points or the OP when you're calling BS

Either way (comfort Crompsin) I'm a softy, can't stand anyone crying

Willravel · 07-10-2007, 09:44 AM

In another breaking story: men like breasts! More news at 11.

This makes perfect sense. Men in good shape communicate a myriad of facts about the men: perseverant, able to perform, tenacious, able to defend, etc. Not only that, but our society does tend to put the healthy muscular man shape as the physical goal. Bruce Lee and Brad Pitt probably saw more action than John Goodman and John Candy. I'd call this a 'duh' situation.

It's not the only trait many women look for, but it's gotta be on a lot of lists.

Plan9 · 07-10-2007, 09:52 AM

OH, MAN... BOOBS ARE GREAT!

Uh... where was I?

OH! Sure, it be a total DUH situation... but its not the have-all-do-all-screw-all that society might assume.

I've seen plenty of hotties with plenty of fatties.

Statistical necessity... god, how many Americans are fat / chunky / obese?

World's King · 07-10-2007, 10:32 AM

Pure Bullocks...

I'm pretty sure I'm a skinny fuck. And I'm pretty sure I've been with... to many women to count.

Willravel · 07-10-2007, 10:34 AM

It's not the only thing women are interested in.

They also like money!

ShaniFaye · 07-10-2007, 10:54 AM

Sorry but you couldnt pay me to take brad pitt ala "troy"

Nope, dont go for muscles at all. That look does nothing at all for me. In the example given above, I'd pick Steve B every time over some brad pitty person

Willravel · 07-10-2007, 10:57 AM

And that's awesome. I think articles like this one should come with the disclaimer "warning, this is a generalization derived from one study". Not all men like boobs, either.

I do think this is important IF it can spark further study into the psychology of sexuality in women. Psychology = cool.

noodlebee · 07-10-2007, 01:08 PM

Well, it depends on what questions the scientists asked the women who were tested. Also, the article did not say what demographic is excluded or included in a very clear way.

If it is about just first impression, then it is accurate for my female friends (approx 18-28 years old, different races and religions). Some like to look at good-looking men who pass by and make comments, but it does not mean they want sex with them.

I think the women in the study were thinking like this instead of looking at pictures to determine possible sex/long relationship partners. Humans do not really isolate factors so clearcut like science wants.

Plan9 · 07-10-2007, 04:04 PM

WillRavel,

Hahahah, I'll pay you to call me each morning and toss out one-liners like that men-like-boobs one in your best John Tesh voice.

That'd make my day.

Willravel · 07-10-2007, 04:33 PM

How do you know about my Tesh voice?!

Psycho Dad · 07-10-2007, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by ShaniFaye

I'd pick Steve B

As in Buscemi?

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Originally Posted by willravel

Not all men like boobs, either.

The hell you say.

ShaniFaye · 07-10-2007, 05:03 PM

yes, thats who seaver put up against that waste of space brad pitt

Psycho Dad · 07-10-2007, 05:07 PM

Nothin' wrong with that. I always prefered Baily to Jennifer and Maryanne to Ginger.

/me shows my age.

MrFriendly · 07-10-2007, 07:01 PM

I wouldn't deny that in general, a lot of women would find slightly more muscly men more physically attractive. I mean there is a certain amount of what we find attractive that's biologically hardwired. BUT, I think in light of the times we live in, it does have to be the case, and to a point isn't the case.

It's a pretty fair assumption to say "In general, women are attracted to men", but it's certainly not a rule. But it's too simplistic to draw anything meaningful from, and human relations are anything but simplicity, that's my major beef with this article. It just seems absurd to me.

jorgelito · 07-10-2007, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by willravel

Not all men like boobs, either.

Hey, not all men like women either for that matter....

tenniels · 07-10-2007, 07:56 PM

I don't necessarily agree with it. Some people are attracted to the muscley type, some are not. The thing that amuses me is that when all the sudden a study says women like "hot" (I'm saying that in a stereotyped way) men, it's shocking. The reverse happens all the time!! Anyways, I think we're all attracted to different things, often inexplicabley (I don't know why I like some of the feature I do on a guy, I just do! And bodybuilder big is not on that list of things that I find attractive btw).

MrFriendly · 07-10-2007, 08:03 PM

Tenniels, I find similar studies done into what men like just as pointless and stupid

wheelhomies · 07-10-2007, 08:09 PM

snowy · 07-10-2007, 09:18 PM

The only muscly men I find attractive are Daniel Craig and Jason Statham.

In real life, I go for skinny stick guys. Always have. Always will.

Also, given the sample size...I call BS on this study. Way too small to make generalizations.

Menoman · 07-10-2007, 09:39 PM

You can't say you disagree with a study that is about a 'majority' and say because YOU don't feel that way.

The study is dead nuts on. The majority of women are going to go for a physically fit guy when given the choice between 2 people they don't know AT ALL. It doesn't mean 100% of women will. The women who choose otherwise are oddities who don't find that particular niche attractive. But the mass majority will choose physical fitness.

I don't know anyone who would choose otherwise, it would be just silly.

MrFriendly · 07-10-2007, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Menoman

You can't say you disagree with a study that is about a 'majority' and say because YOU don't feel that way.

I don't feel that report can accurately represent what the majority of women feel given how narrow the sample is.

In my personal experience with all the women i know, I can quite honestly tell you each and everyone has a completely different tastes in what they find both physically or emotionally attractive.

Hell, I'm good friends with a girl who will loose her shit and go three kinds of moist if she sees a skinny androgynous looking guy.

Menoman · 07-10-2007, 11:06 PM

still the minority

nobody wants to be with someone ugly, chances are if a physically well off dude was set beside a wimpy lil dude, or a fatass, or a chub, or whatever you want. Those friends of yours on the majority will pick the fit guy.

It's been built into us for thousands of years now, mate with the strongest, to create the strongest, and a very, very, low percentage of people who are capable of snagging a toned, fit dude, will pass that up.

ShaniFaye · 07-11-2007, 03:14 AM

Why is it "silly"? Hell I wont even visit the full monty threads cause I CANNOT stand looking at guys like that...at all....ever. I prefer a "meaty" "chubby" "non thin man". I couldnt have sex with a person like that because its actually a turn off to me

That is my preference, and I resent being told its "silly"

abaya · 07-11-2007, 04:06 AM

Muscles annoy me. They get my attention only because they look freaky, and then my eyes bounce away again. Every guy I've dated and/or liked has been the non-muscular type, so there's my data point for you.

Sometimes I hate the majority. They ruin it for the rest of us.

tecoyah · 07-11-2007, 05:03 AM

Personally, when I am in good shape, I tend to be more confident in myself and the increased self respect is quite obvious in the way I carry myself. I have found that women in general, find confidence a major factor in how attractive a man is to them. It may very well be that such attitudes in the men with toned muscles had an affect on the women in this study, just as it does in everyday life. When the initial attraction is coupled with a personality match sex is often the result, but without the attraction in the first place there is a smaller chance of finding the personality.
Any woman honest with herself will recognize that she too, is more attracted to a man that carries himself with a confident air, and any man honest with himself will admit he feels better when he looks in a mirror and smiles.

abaya · 07-11-2007, 05:25 AM

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Originally Posted by tecoyah

Any woman honest with herself will recognize that she too, is more attracted to a man that carries himself with a confident air, and any man honest with himself will admit he feels better when he looks in a mirror and smiles.

Well of course, that doesn't take much honesty... confidence is always sexy. Arrogance, however, is not. And in my experience, people who spend an extraordinary amount of time building their muscles in a gym (not just staying in shape, but purely for the sake of "getting big") tend to be assholes. So, there's my generalization about men with large muscles.

But yes, of course confidence is a great thing. It just doesn't have to correlate with outward appearances, in my book.

JustJess · 07-11-2007, 05:40 AM

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Originally Posted by abaya

But yes, of course confidence is a great thing. It just doesn't have to correlate with outward appearances, in my book.

But that's kind of the point... for most of us, our confidence is greatly affected by our outward appearance. Outward appearances matter, no matter how much we wish it were otherwise.

Q has been gymming it up for a long time now, and has built a lot of muscle mass he never had before. Did I find him attractive and enjoy him before? Obviously. Am I enjoying the new musculature? Lots! (I have a lot of fun objectifying him regularly, but that's just me being a little silly about the hotness.)

It's funny... I notice sexy eyes just as much as I do sexy shoulders.. and I find it really odd that everyone else has such specific preferences about body types. I never did. I like *people*. But I can't help it... if I were trolling the bars for meaningless sex, I'd be more likely to target the muscley ones. In my mind, they're just more likely to go for a booty call than a guy who isn't. And if I were looking for a booty call, I wouldn't want to choose someone who I might hurt - the muscley ones are more superficial and less emotional, didn't you know?

/at self Is that logical? Absolutely NOT. It's just instinct based on stereotypes.

tecoyah · 07-11-2007, 05:46 AM

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Originally Posted by abaya

Well of course, that doesn't take much honesty... confidence is always sexy. Arrogance, however, is not. And in my experience, people who spend an extraordinary amount of time building their muscles in a gym (not just staying in shape, but purely for the sake of "getting big") tend to be assholes. So, there's my generalization about men with large muscles.

But yes, of course confidence is a great thing. It just doesn't have to correlate with outward appearances, in my book.

I would agree it does not "Have" to, but it seems it often does. Likely the study would not detail individual preferences, but a more general law of attraction anyway, making it somewhat useless for many.

highthief · 07-11-2007, 05:57 AM

I'm not sure what they defined as "muscled" - I doubt they are speaking of big bodybuilders but rather simply men who are relatively athletic and toned.

It's almost certainly true that, on average, women do prefer such men. Chris Farley and John Goodman would be pin ups, rather than Brad Pitt, Jason Statham and the like.

Yes, individually, some people may not be attracted to fit guys, but there is no doubt whatsoever that more women will find a fit man physically attractive than an unfit man, at least initially (i.e. first date scenario). Over time, other factors may become more important - money, personality, intelligence, etc.

abaya · 07-11-2007, 06:10 AM

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Originally Posted by JustJess

if I were trolling the bars for meaningless sex, I'd be more likely to target the muscley ones. In my mind, they're just more likely to go for a booty call than a guy who isn't.

Well yeah, and I agree that for certain women, if that's what their goals are, then a muscle-y guy fits their goals to a T. Nothing wrong with that, as long as everyone's up front about everything.

But I'd say that for those women who are not trolling the bars, etc... muscles are going to matter a hell of a lot less, because those "other" things that are crucial for long-term relationships are going to figure much more highly (intelligence, personality, humor, responsibility, maturity). That's what makes it so hard to generalize... different people want different things, regardless of gender.

Now Jess, I agree with you, if our previously less-muscular men are getting into the gym, I'm not one to get in the way (as long as the goal is to get in shape, not obsess over one's looks). But it wasn't an initial attractor for me, that's all.

mixedmedia · 07-11-2007, 06:24 AM

Not me.

JustJess · 07-11-2007, 06:37 AM

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Originally Posted by abaya

But I'd say that for those women who are not trolling the bars, etc... muscles are going to matter a hell of a lot less, because those "other" things that are crucial for long-term relationships are going to figure much more highly (intelligence, personality, humor, responsibility, maturity). That's what makes it so hard to generalize... different people want different things, regardless of gender.

That's exactly my point! According to the survey, the more muscley guys had more sex partners than those who didn't. Because if we're just looking for sex, those are a good target. If we're looking for a good PARTNER, we almost veer away from muscley types to find a good balance of yes, hotness (is in the eye of the beholder), but also personality traits we are attracted to.

Now, clearly, we have ladies of more discriminating taste on TFP. I'm just talking generally, and stereotypically.

snowy · 07-11-2007, 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by JustJess

Now, clearly, we have ladies of more discriminating taste on TFP. I'm just talking generally, and stereotypically.

Obviously.

Meditrina · 07-11-2007, 07:28 AM

I can't see how this study can be accurate at all. They had a very specific type of person they used as the participants. Had they worded the results differently, maybe saying that most women in such and such an age group, etc. found muscly men more attractive... then maybe they have a point. I say maybe, because I don't ever remember being attracted to very muscly men, even in college. I'd prefer healthy, funny, considerate, smart, no need to go on, is there? And the things I looked for in a man changed with my age, with my place in life, and probably many other things.

Attractiveness is a very personal opinion, I don't see how this can be quantified.

07-10-2007, 03:52 AM	#2 (permalink)
JustJess Unencapsulated Location: Kittyville	In a broad, stereotypical sense... I think there's some truth to that. Especially in a place like NYC. Women get pretty practical about potential partners the older they get. They're just as superficial as men - we, too, like a nice chest - but just like men look at a woman all dolled up in tight clothes and a bit of extra make up and think "score!"... women look at a muscley guy in a tight shirt and think "score!" too. We have stereotypical expectations of these looks - they are probably programmed in from a young age, really. Think about it... in Hollywood, who's the dependable type, the nice guy (or gal)? The boy next door look, the loveable schlub. Who's having all the irresponsible (and hot) sex? The muscley one. When we're looking for a partner and not just some sex, we look at a broader picture, just like men. I'm not a physically perfect specimen, but Q wants me anyway - he wanted a partner, not a toy. But if he were out at a club (ok, stop laughing, it could happen!), what kind of girl do you think would get all the attention? It's all in how we advertise ourselves. And a man who's bothered to get muscley is advertising. __________________ My heart knows me better than I know myself, so I'm gonna let it do all the talkin'.

07-10-2007, 08:11 AM	#3 (permalink)
Hyacinthe Psycho Location: Australia	I disagree with the study completely. I'm probably within the age group that they worked with (low 20's) and I've actually never gone out with a muscly or toned guy. Not because I couldn't I've had a few offers but because I haven't been attracted to them as an individual. My partners have always tended to be skinny or slightly pudgy (just a few love handles). I'd rather go out with someone I can have a decent conversation about my latest computer game frenzy or the book I am reading, a guy that's willing to come and watch my dance shows and even if he doesn't want to be there pretend he does to support me then someone who is just eye candy. Hmmm kinda shows in who I picked as sexy in the 'sexy people' thread to lol, smart, slightly awkward Dr type. But moving aside from what is after all just my personal preference / history the study wasn't done in an overly accurate way. First of all the selection of subjects was WAY too small and all come from the same area geographically (and probably socio-economically). This also applies to the male applicants. Also ALL of these people selected have the same level of education - I would like to see how a similar studywould have gone if they had selected people working minimum wage jobs. The entire thing about muscular men being more aggressive is completely ridiculous as well. Some muscular men are extremely concious about their strength and go to great lengths to ensure they don't hurt anyone where as a coke addict is more likely to be skeletally slender and suffer from extreme mood swings. But yeah as you can see I don't find it very scientifically accurate. __________________ "I want to be remembered as the girl who always smiles even when her heart is broken... and the one that could brighten up your day even if she couldnt brighten her own" "Her emotions were clear waters. You could see the scarring and pockmarks at the bottom of the pool, but it was just a part of her landscape – the consequences of others’ actions in which she claimed no part."

07-10-2007, 08:54 AM	#4 (permalink)
Seaver Junkie Location: Fort Worth, TX	Sorry but I don't buy it. You fail to draw the destinction between personalit and body type. YOU are failing to see what the study is pointing out. Imagine you have the choice in body type between two guys. Their personalities are the exact same, and both will appreciate you equally. Now you get to choose between them both, would you choose the Steve Buscemi looking guy or Brad Pitt's bod in Troy. Are you honestly going to lie and say you don't prefer Pitt? That is all this is pointing out, you prefer the toned body type. __________________ "Smite the rocks with the rod of knowledge, and fountains of unstinted wealth will gush forth." - Ashbel Smith as he laid the first cornerstone of the University of Texas

07-10-2007, 09:12 AM	#5 (permalink)
Hyacinthe Psycho Location: Australia	Actually I don't find Brad Pitt at all attractive. Maybe I'm a little odd that way but it's just working on plain physical responses, like I said that was about me and my history and personal preferences not overly about the study. I guess I tend to stereotype toned / muscly guys as less then interested in the same things I am, not overly fair to them really. I did point out that that section of the post was directed towards my own personal preferences, the majority of women would probably disagree with me and they have every right to. As for your comment about lying, I really don't see the point in lying to a group of what are thus far faceless people on a forum site. I kinda resent the implication that if someone disagrees with what YOU find attractive they must be lying though. Your post does not address the fact they they selected a very small and controlled group of both men and women for this study however. If they had selected say 500 from different age, cultural, religious, social and educational backgrounds and the same results had come back then I would be far more open to the results. Fact of the matter is each society has a different opinion on what is physically attractive - look at paintings and sculptures from different periods in history, you very rarely see the nymph like women that are held up as beautiful in todays media in a Romantic era painting and statuesque women used to be the ideal. Even today different places in the world find different features attractive, many men from western cultures find Asian women attractive yet one Asian country has a 45% plastic surgery rate for women wanting to look more western. The thing I object to in this study isn't that it doesn't agree with me and my personal preferences but that they are saying it's scientific when they have not taken into account the influence of the society these people are living in and how this effects what they consider physically attractive. __________________ "I want to be remembered as the girl who always smiles even when her heart is broken... and the one that could brighten up your day even if she couldnt brighten her own" "Her emotions were clear waters. You could see the scarring and pockmarks at the bottom of the pool, but it was just a part of her landscape – the consequences of others’ actions in which she claimed no part."

07-10-2007, 09:32 AM	#6 (permalink)
Plan9 I Confess a Shiver	I call bullsht! (Throws out red flag) See, I've GOT the ultra-chic superficial ravioli abs and tennis balls in my arms and get no play. ... It must be my taste in music. ... Okay, its my face. (hangs head, cries) __________________ Whatever you can carry.* "You should not drink... and bake."

07-10-2007, 09:40 AM	#7 (permalink)
Hyacinthe Psycho Location: Australia	Crompsin I've got to be honest I have no idea whether you're talking about my points or the OP when you're calling BS Either way (comfort Crompsin) I'm a softy, can't stand anyone crying __________________ "I want to be remembered as the girl who always smiles even when her heart is broken... and the one that could brighten up your day even if she couldnt brighten her own" "Her emotions were clear waters. You could see the scarring and pockmarks at the bottom of the pool, but it was just a part of her landscape – the consequences of others’ actions in which she claimed no part."

07-10-2007, 09:44 AM	#8 (permalink)
Willravel ... a sort of licensed troubleshooter.	In another breaking story: men like breasts! More news at 11. This makes perfect sense. Men in good shape communicate a myriad of facts about the men: perseverant, able to perform, tenacious, able to defend, etc. Not only that, but our society does tend to put the healthy muscular man shape as the physical goal. Bruce Lee and Brad Pitt probably saw more action than John Goodman and John Candy. I'd call this a 'duh' situation. It's not the only trait many women look for, but it's gotta be on a lot of lists.

07-10-2007, 09:52 AM	#9 (permalink)
Plan9 I Confess a Shiver	OH, MAN... BOOBS ARE GREAT! Uh... where was I? OH! Sure, it be a total DUH situation... but its not the have-all-do-all-screw-all that society might assume. I've seen plenty of hotties with plenty of fatties. Statistical necessity... god, how many Americans are fat / chunky / obese? __________________ *Whatever you can carry.* "You should not drink... and bake."

07-10-2007, 10:32 AM	#10 (permalink)
World's King Here Location: Denver City Denver	Pure Bullocks... I'm pretty sure I'm a skinny fuck. And I'm pretty sure I've been with... to many women to count. __________________ heavy is the head that wears the crown

07-10-2007, 10:34 AM	#11 (permalink)
Willravel ... a sort of licensed troubleshooter.	It's not the only thing women are interested in. They also like money!

07-10-2007, 10:54 AM	#12 (permalink)
ShaniFaye Submit to me, you know you want to Location: Lilburn, Ga	Sorry but you couldnt pay me to take brad pitt ala "troy" Nope, dont go for muscles at all. That look does nothing at all for me. In the example given above, I'd pick Steve B every time over some brad pitty person __________________ *I want the diabetic plan that comes with rollover carbs. I dont like the unused one expiring at midnite!!*

07-10-2007, 10:57 AM	#13 (permalink)
Willravel ... a sort of licensed troubleshooter.	And that's awesome. I think articles like this one should come with the disclaimer "warning, this is a generalization derived from one study". Not all men like boobs, either. I do think this is important IF it can spark further study into the psychology of sexuality in women. Psychology = cool.

07-10-2007, 01:08 PM	#14 (permalink)
noodlebee Crazy Location: Canada	Well, it depends on what questions the scientists asked the women who were tested. Also, the article did not say what demographic is excluded or included in a very clear way. If it is about just first impression, then it is accurate for my female friends (approx 18-28 years old, different races and religions). Some like to look at good-looking men who pass by and make comments, but it does not mean they want sex with them. I think the women in the study were thinking like this instead of looking at pictures to determine possible sex/long relationship partners. Humans do not really isolate factors so clearcut like science wants.

07-10-2007, 04:04 PM	#15 (permalink)
Plan9 I Confess a Shiver	WillRavel, Hahahah, I'll pay you to call me each morning and toss out one-liners like that men-like-boobs one in your best John Tesh voice. That'd make my day. __________________ *Whatever you can carry.* "You should not drink... and bake."

07-10-2007, 04:33 PM	#16 (permalink)
Willravel ... a sort of licensed troubleshooter.	How do you know about my Tesh voice?!

07-10-2007, 05:03 PM	#18 (permalink)
ShaniFaye Submit to me, you know you want to Location: Lilburn, Ga	yes, thats who seaver put up against that waste of space brad pitt __________________ *I want the diabetic plan that comes with rollover carbs. I dont like the unused one expiring at midnite!!*

07-10-2007, 05:07 PM	#19 (permalink)
Psycho Dad Mulletproof Location: Some nucking fut house.	Nothin' wrong with that. I always prefered Baily to Jennifer and Maryanne to Ginger. /me shows my age. __________________ Don't always trust the opinions of experts.

07-10-2007, 07:01 PM	#20 (permalink)
MrFriendly Psycho Location: Australia	I wouldn't deny that in general, a lot of women would find slightly more muscly men more physically attractive. I mean there is a certain amount of what we find attractive that's biologically hardwired. BUT, I think in light of the times we live in, it does have to be the case, and to a point isn't the case. It's a pretty fair assumption to say "In general, women are attracted to men", but it's certainly not a rule. But it's too simplistic to draw anything meaningful from, and human relations are anything but simplicity, that's my major beef with this article. It just seems absurd to me. __________________ You are not a slave

07-10-2007, 07:56 PM	#22 (permalink)
tenniels Insane Location: Oh Canada!!	I don't necessarily agree with it. Some people are attracted to the muscley type, some are not. The thing that amuses me is that when all the sudden a study says women like "hot" (I'm saying that in a stereotyped way) men, it's shocking. The reverse happens all the time!! Anyways, I think we're all attracted to different things, often inexplicabley (I don't know why I like some of the feature I do on a guy, I just do! And bodybuilder big is not on that list of things that I find attractive btw). __________________ I like things. And stuff. But I prefer to have things over stuff.

07-10-2007, 08:03 PM	#23 (permalink)
MrFriendly Psycho Location: Australia	Tenniels, I find similar studies done into what men like just as pointless and stupid __________________ You are not a slave

07-10-2007, 08:09 PM	#24 (permalink)
wheelhomies Upright Location: New York	__________________ "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds wake in the day to find that it was vanity. But the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on their dreams with open eyes to make it possible." - T.E. Lawrence

07-10-2007, 09:18 PM	#25 (permalink)
snowy Kick Ass Kunoichi Location: Oregon	The only muscly men I find attractive are Daniel Craig and Jason Statham. In real life, I go for skinny stick guys. Always have. Always will. Also, given the sample size...I call BS on this study. Way too small to make generalizations. __________________ If I am not better, at least I am different. --Jean-Jacques Rousseau

07-11-2007, 03:14 AM	#29 (permalink)
ShaniFaye Submit to me, you know you want to Location: Lilburn, Ga	Why is it "silly"? Hell I wont even visit the full monty threads cause I CANNOT stand looking at guys like that...at all....ever. I prefer a "meaty" "chubby" "non thin man". I couldnt have sex with a person like that because its actually a turn off to me That is my preference, and I resent being told its "silly" __________________ *I want the diabetic plan that comes with rollover carbs. I dont like the unused one expiring at midnite!!*

07-11-2007, 04:06 AM	#30 (permalink)
abaya Location: Iceland	Muscles annoy me. They get my attention only because they look freaky, and then my eyes bounce away again. Every guy I've dated and/or liked has been the non-muscular type, so there's my data point for you. Sometimes I hate the majority. They ruin it for the rest of us. __________________ And think not you can direct the course of Love; for Love, if it finds you worthy, directs your course. --Khalil Gibran

07-11-2007, 05:03 AM	#31 (permalink)
tecoyah Illusionary	Personally, when I am in good shape, I tend to be more confident in myself and the increased self respect is quite obvious in the way I carry myself. I have found that women in general, find confidence a major factor in how attractive a man is to them. It may very well be that such attitudes in the men with toned muscles had an affect on the women in this study, just as it does in everyday life. When the initial attraction is coupled with a personality match sex is often the result, but without the attraction in the first place there is a smaller chance of finding the personality. Any woman honest with herself will recognize that she too, is more attracted to a man that carries himself with a confident air, and any man honest with himself will admit he feels better when he looks in a mirror and smiles.

07-11-2007, 05:57 AM	#35 (permalink)
highthief Junkie Location: Ontario, Canada	I'm not sure what they defined as "muscled" - I doubt they are speaking of big bodybuilders but rather simply men who are relatively athletic and toned. It's almost certainly true that, on average, women do prefer such men. Chris Farley and John Goodman would be pin ups, rather than Brad Pitt, Jason Statham and the like. Yes, individually, some people may not be attracted to fit guys, but there is no doubt whatsoever that more women will find a fit man physically attractive than an unfit man, at least initially (i.e. first date scenario). Over time, other factors may become more important - money, personality, intelligence, etc. __________________ Si vis pacem parabellum.

07-11-2007, 06:24 AM	#37 (permalink)
mixedmedia has all her shots. Location: Florida	Not me. __________________ Most people go through life dreading they'll have a traumatic experience. Freaks were born with their trauma. They've already passed their test in life. They're aristocrats. - Diane Arbus PESSIMISM, n. A philosophy forced upon the convictions of the observer by the disheartening prevalence of the optimist with his scarecrow hope and his unsightly smile. - Ambrose Bierce

07-11-2007, 07:28 AM	#40 (permalink)
Meditrina Junkie Location: LI,NY	I can't see how this study can be accurate at all. They had a very specific type of person they used as the participants. Had they worded the results differently, maybe saying that most women in such and such an age group, etc. found muscly men more attractive... then maybe they have a point. I say maybe, because I don't ever remember being attracted to very muscly men, even in college. I'd prefer healthy, funny, considerate, smart, no need to go on, is there? And the things I looked for in a man changed with my age, with my place in life, and probably many other things. Attractiveness is a very personal opinion, I don't see how this can be quantified. __________________ "Toughness is in the soul and spirit, not in muscles." ~Alex Karras