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I'm just curious... did anyone ever have sex with an animal? and like wouldn't you get a disease if you didn't use condoms or something?

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biznatch

...are you serious????



And to answer your question, yes...I regularly do have sex with an animal.
She's a female, and I used to use a condom.
In case you were wondering what species she is, it's the same as mine. Human.

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Push-Pull

Short answer.....Eeeeewwwwww!

FWIW, I've found human females to be quite adequate in that department thank you very much.

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ShaniFaye

does it count if you wake up sometimes with your cat under the covers pitty pattying your leg or back?

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What if the animal has sex with you?

That is to say, I used to have a dog that...from time to time, would try to hump my leg quite vigorously.

Who am I kidding? He used to hump everything.....whore.

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Bill O'Rights

Well...
I think the question should be; do you think that it counts if you wake up sometimes with your cat under the covers pitty pattying your leg or back?

My buddy's dog likes to hump my leg. Does that count? I'm sure that it does to the dog.

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Infinite_Loser

I once saw a video in which a woman was fucked by a horse. Does that count?

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Average_Joe

Did the horse wear a condom?

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lyric check:

Trent Reznor says fuck you <i>LIKE</i> an animal.. not fuck <i>an</i> animal.

pig

whatwhatwhat? what?

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Willravel

Quick answer: No, and I'd seriously worry about anyone who did.

Bestiality would probably be a combination of conduct/anti-social personality disorder, paraphilic coercive disorder, and an augmented version of gender confusion that I guess you could call species confusion, though it's not something you'd find in the DSM 4. Someone afflicted with this would need immediate treatment by a well trained professional.

Let me be clear: in my understanding of biology and psychology, bestiality is not something like homosexuality or bisexuality. It is more similar to pedophilia, and it is strictly illegal and for good reason. If you know of anyone who is involved in animal sexuality, it would be best to contact the authorities immediately.

CptAJ

Meh, we use the animals as slaves, for sports, eat them, experiment on them, etc. If some people get off to having sex with them, so what? It's their junk thats gonna fall off.

Back on topic though: I've had sex with some pretty ugly ladies, does that count?

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Willravel

People use kids for cheap labor, soccer, beat them, etc. If some people get off having sex with them, so what?

....just a little perspective.

MexicanOnABike

from a stand-up comic i heard a while back:
"did you know you can have allergies to latex? like latex condoms? for over a year, I thought I was allergic to my cat."

to answer your question: No, never did, never will, never met anyone who did, and if you do, you've got serious problems. There are laws against this shit!

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CptAJ

The difference being that doing those things to kids is illegal (And wrong, of course... except sports and the sometimes needed spanking). Doing it to animals is tradition, technology, necessity, acceptable. Why should sex be any different than the other tortures we happily put them through?

Its all very arguable but, like you, I'm just trying to give you guys a little perspective on the issue since you all kinda jumped on the guy. Its not all clear cut, black&white as everyone makes it out to be. I'm trying to keep an open mind here.

PS: Are mermaids technically considered animals? Cause I'd have sex with a cute one if they were real

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pig

CptAJ,

How do you feel about having sex with comatose or mentally retarded people, as far as that goes. I am concerned about it from an animal rights perspective, but as you point out; put in a certain perspective that's shaky. I'm quite concerned about it from the perspective of the person doing the fucking, given the various other psychological associations we typically have with sex. To a certain extent, sort of like using fire to heat your house, versus good old pyromania. Or maybe closer to the point, straight-up killing a cat with a stick animal abuse.

As far as mermaids, I've never actually seen one depicted with a vagina, so I guess its blowjobs.

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CptAJ

Come on now, we both know people are different. Comatose/retarded people are way past the line and we all know it... we don't know where the line is but we know sexually abusing any kind of human is past it. I'm talking about animals here.

Now, it certainly seems like an animal's rights violation but its very shaky ground. Sexual abuse in humans is considered harmful because of the mental consequences of it, otherwise- and not taking into account lesions in the act- its just sex. From that point, its almost certain that animals wont suffer from those very specific, harmful effects. Maybe they even enjoy it? I bet them horses do.

Anyway, perhaps if the animal were big enough not to be harmed by the physical act itself? (Fucking a squirrel would definitely be an animal rights violation) We could go on and on, but in the end its not so universally wrong as it seems. Its just our current cultural beliefs arbitrarily frown upon it. In the days of my grandfather it was not uncommon at all for young men to have sex with female donkeys (Oh god the stories...). There were no laws against it and aside from being an embarrassing situation for city folk, no one was ever punished for it.

Dude, I *love* blowjobs!

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Carno

Which guideline?

pig

Cpt: i'm not going to spend copious amounts of time arguing the ins and outs of horse fuckery, so i'll try to make my points succinct:

you didn't respond to the aspect of the psychology of the modern day horse fucker. i should put in the caveat that i'm talking about your average horse fucker in 1st world industrialized nations. i can't really pontificate about the relationship of a ubangi or a starving eastern european farmer to his animals. so with this in mind:

the reason i brought up the mentally retarted and the comatose is exactly the line you're mentioning. i think it involves the lack of ability to give consent. just like your average horse. or, perhaps a person who isn't seriously mentally retarded can seem to give consent, but what does that mean? i would posit that might be similar to your trusty mare, who seems to luring you in with her big round eyes and that playful flick of the tail.

now eating animals is something i think is a valid point, but i'd have to say that food is different than sexual desire. saying you've got to eat a cow is one thing; maybe not strictly true, but pretty difficult to avoid for a lot of people to obtain the desired result: life. saying you have to fuck one to obtain the desired result: orgasm...well, i think that's sort of a stretch.

and i'd have to say i don't like the idea of people thinking its ok to fuck things that can't give consents outside of fanfic. i think it sets a dangerous precedent for transferal to other situations. weaker people, for example.

maybe i'm just prejudiced. maybe i'm an anti-horse-fuckerer. but i guess i feel pretty comfortable about that.

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CptAJ

But do animals give consent when they have regular sex with each other? Or is it more of an instinctual, automatic kinda thing? Does that invalidate the "consent as a requirement" paradigm? Oh well, I don't know. Who the hell knows...

Its a very vague subject if you ask me but at any rate, society has made its choice. Fucking animals is "bad". I'm just saying though, as far as I'm concerned, if the guy wants to fuck a donkey or whatever I'm not gonna be the one to stop him.

As far as the psychology of the modern-day horse-fucker, and having taken my fair share of psych classes as a former psych major, I don't think there is enough objective research on the matter to say either way. Could be just as harmless to society as jerking off, who knows? Like I said, society has made its choice and it certainly looks definite.

Heres a good one though:
Is it ok to have recreational sex with humanoid robots? (given that you had the technology to make them)
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If so, then is it ok to have sex with genetically engineered human look-alike beings without complete human brains? (Having the same mental capacity as the previously mentioned robots and given the proper technology of course)

Morality is a very relative thing...

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biznatch

Well, you see, human society often considers itself to be of a higher conscious level than the other living organisms. Most of us have a set of morals, such as not killing other human beings without a valid reason (and let's not go into what is justified, and what's not). Another one of these consent before intercourse. Being the alleged "more advanced" species, we shouldn't go by their sets of morals, but our own.
As for the subject of eating animals, the "need"(or rather, desire) to have sex is secondary, and the need to eat is the primordial need.

Jerking off involves only one person. Sex involves two people (or creatures). Therefore I would say sex affects more than yourself, and therefore society can have a say on what's acceptable when it comes to sex.

just my 2 cents.

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OMG I can't stop laughing at this post!

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CptAJ

Very good point. I don't particularly agree that we need to invariably apply our own moral standards when dealing with other creatures. It should be on a case by case basis, objectively taking into account the consequences, if any. But really, thats just me, you probably made the strongest point in the thread with that paragraph.

Well, if the person owns the animal then it is part of his private patrimony and as such does not involve society or anything. Its not like the donkey is going to abuse his children in return or cost the state thousands in therapy fees or whatever. The effect ends with the animal. (This is all given that the animal is physically capable of taking part in the act without being uncommonly damaged)

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Giant Hamburger

Be careful CptAJ

that bunny broke my primordial heart.

ngdawg

I'm not sure if you're really espousing the idea of inter-species intercourse or just looking for an argument....
The actual act of bestiality is not, in itself, illegal but for a few states; it comes under animal abuse and can be prosecuted as such.
Your basic animal (dog, cat, rabbit), has about as much conscious thought as your average 4 month old human baby. In other words-none. Choice is not something they can make. Once you make the decision to pursue intercourse with someone or something that can not make that same decision, you have become a sexual predator or sexual deviant and a likely criminal. And, if you can't find a human adult contact to share that choice, you're also pretty pathetic('you' being collective and not necessarily pointed at the OP).
To the question of human/android intercourse, it would be assumed that this android is programmed to receive/serve the duties ascribed and in fact, is quite close to being so with Real Dolls-manufactured to look and feel human for the sole purpose of sex.

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Bill O'Rights

Ooooh...Oooooh!!

Do "cougars" count?

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CptAJ

I guess I kinda am arguing for the sake of argument. I do think its an interesting discussion though. I'm well into law school right now and I used to be a psych major so you can probably see why such interest would arise. Its fascinating because I think there really aren't that many clear-cut reasons for it to be illegal.

For instance, you would use an animal for sports, in which it is put through grueling physical challenges and reiterated painful punishment for the sake of mere amusement of the masses... but you draw the line when it comes to genitals? Is sports entertainment more of a primordial need than sex? Fucking a horse would certainly be less of a torture than making the poor thing burst its heart out running in circles while being constantly whipped to go faster. Remember that they don't have the mental conditions to be psychologically damaged by sex like we are.

Its a completely arbitrary line to abide by, but people still make it out to be just and reasonable.

As for the robot thing, I'm going to leave that for another thread as we'd take this one way off topic with it.

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analog

But... they don't have legs... where would you put it? lol

The_Jazz

Careful, mixedmedia is a cougar - just barely so it's a technicality really.

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ngdawg

There are many who think animal-based sports are abusive to the animal; rodeos have been shown to be, dog races are in some cases and cockfights are illegal. However, it is a horse's inclination to run(and, perhaps a greyhound's)-it is not its inclination to have sex with a human.
I find boxing and those 'ultimate' sports abhorant, pigraces and rodeos almost as much so due to their unnatural means. And, like those that find bestiality acceptable, people find those types of entertainment acceptable as well.
And who is to say the animal isn't psychologically harmed? Inability to say 'I'm fucked up now', doesn't mean they aren't.

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Bill O'Rights

Well...I know that that was certainly the case with my first wife.

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Daniel_

Funny you should mention this, piggy, because just this week I was watching a programme on BBC TV in which they showed a picture from an illustrated edition of Oscar Wilde's children's stories - there was a mermaid in one of these that had a clearly illustrated pubic bush and the scales and tail began halfway down the thighs.

So I guess some mermaids do have vaginas.

Question: does a mermaid with bad personal hygeine have a vagina that smells of people?

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CptAJ

Of course, some people do frown upon them but general society does not, which is exemplified by the fact that they're legal. As such, and following the coherence and analogy principles of the law, sexual relations with animals shouldn't be outlawed considering it subjects the animal to less torture than other activities. But well, the system is not perfect. Alcohol has also been scientifically proven to be more harmful than cannabis and we all know the legalities of that.

By the way, its not the horse's inclination to carry a midget around at high speeds. The fact that you have to beat them into submission should be enough to clarify that.

Furthermore, it has been scientifically proven that some animals simply are not self aware at a cognitive level analogous to our own. Be that as it may, and given the unlikely chance that they could indeed be "fucked up" by the experience, there's still no rational argument or research that indicates either way. The legislation is still arbitrary and unfounded, regardless of who's right here.

Mermaids

Wait a second, who ever said they didn't have vaginas? Fish have vaginas, mammals have vaginas. No matter how you slice it, there's gotta be a pussy somewhere in there.

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The_Jazz

CptAJ - maybe Venezualan society doesn't frown on animal fights, but American society does. To the best of my knowledge, all 50 states ban the practice. There are illegal fights here and there, but I don't think that "general" American society finds it acceptable at all. I think that the distinction is important.

Bestiality, however, is not necessarily illegal everywhere in the US, but I believe that it is in the majority of states. The alcohol/cannabis comparison is a strawman since we're talking about third party injuries here, with the third party being an animal. A better analogy is the one already drawn with adults who can't consent because they aren't concious or lack the mental capcity to do so.

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bparker805

I was a "Bulldog" in high school... did that one girl commit bestiality with me?

telekinetic

Bestiality is like all very extreme fetishes, in my mind. There is definitely something unnatural (and I would say 'wrong') with people who are into bestiality, just like I think there is something wrong with people who are into pedophilia, amputation, nullification, etc etc.

However, I don't think anyone chooses their kinks, so I'm hesitant to judge them too harshly...our sexuality, more than anything else, is a product of our environment/genetics/upbringing/experiences etc, and we have very little control over what kinks turn our crank.

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