Lindy

Interesting indeed, Carno, if you see a man with 15% body fat as a fat guy. I wonder if extreme bodybuilding (mostly men) is analogous to anorexia (mostly women.) That is, someone looks in the mirror and sees themself as fat, even when they are not.
Lindy

Jason762

I'm 16% bodyfat at the moment, so I AM fat.

I'm trying to get down to 6% bodyfat so I can bulk for a long time without becoming too fat (I'll stop bulking when I reach 10% bodyfat, then start cutting to 8%, and doing bulking/cutting cycles of 8 to 10).

Ch'i hand wraps for weight lifting? Ermmm, what are those? The only things I use are wrist wraps and that's only when I'm doing those 315 pound shrugs.

In case you don't know what bulking is, it's a process when you eat a surplus of calories with the goal of gaining weight. Most people hope for mostly muscle gain with minimal fat gain but some people (such as powerlifters) don't care about the type of weight.

lindalove

Ick! I'm not into the whole onion skin thing.

Pictures like that are deceptive anyway. Before a show, contestants go without drinking any water for 2-3 days, so they are beyond dehydrated which makes all the muscle pop.

Jason- You realise to look that way (assuming you'll get there through years of hard work, and not taking on a nasty "juice" habit) and to maintain it isn't a cheap lifestyle. You'll also have to become a decent cook as you'll be eating lots and lots of skinless, boneless chicken breasts and egg whites.

Then there is the issue that guys that look like that often don't have much of a range of motion because muscle mass gets in the way, and most of them couldn't run if their lives depended on it because they are like a tank that cannot get out of its own way.

Not trying to to talk you out of anything, but these are things that need to be considered. If one of your dreams in life is to become a pro cyclist, getting that big is not going to be in your favor. However, if you're serious, start dealing with any dietary issues now and get yourself a good book about how to eat. Alot of those diets posted in those magazines are garbage, and they push supplements way too much. It's better to eat lots of food from all food groups, than to swallow it in the form of a pill or powder.

I highly suggest http://www.burnthefat.com/?hop=mda1125 Burn the fat, feed the muscle as a good place to start in terms of reading.

Jason762

Linda, thanks for the tips.

I'm... *trying to think of right word* glad (for lack of a more appropiate word) that you are "worried" about my goals.

At most I want to get slightly bigger than Vin Diesel. I am NOT trying to become a bodybuilder (though if professionals say I have the genetics to become a pro, then I may look into it).

I've been doing this stuff on and off since I was about 13. And the dietig part isn't so hard. I'm on a CKD (Cyclic Ketogenic Diet) so I get to eat omlettes, steak, salmon, and broccoli! :-D

I agree though, on magazine articles. That stuff is doo-doo.

Thanks again for your post!

pocon1

nothing to say

lindalove

Just out of curiousity, how much mass did you lose ( if any) when you dropped the extra weight? Or was the loss the end result of a bulk/ cut cycle?

Jason- I'm not against supplements when they are used in moderation. Some people make a career out of taking them and that's not what they are made for. If you need a protein fix and don't have food handy, by all means use them, just make sure you read labels as many of them have been tainted with tons of sugar. Protein bars for example have become expensive, glorifed candy bars.

As for what the pro's say about your genetics, be really careful with that. If you start taking advice from the wrong person you could end up shunting your results instead of making gains or worse, cause injuries.

Work hard, eat well and remember to work your legs as hard as you work your back, chest and arms. I've seen far too many "bodybuilders" with beefy top halves, but walk around on little chicken legs.

I don't stare at those people, but I do snicker under my breath as it's impossible not to. I know that it would be better to plant a little bug in these peoples ears saying something like "Work your legs! You look really stupid and off balance!" but I don't. Most of the guys that do that make themselves unavailable for any critique, so I end up laughing instead.

Good luck! I'd be curious in hearing more as you progress.

Jason762

I try to stay away from suppliments other than whey protein, creatine glutamine, BCAAs and dextrose. Of course I take a multi and because I don't eat carbs, I also take a fiber pill.

I agree about the protein bars, they're shit. But if you're stuck without any food it's a better choice than going catabolic.

Well, I have a lot of knowledge about weight lifting, nutrition, and all that, so anything I hear I will be sure to back their claims up with research. Also I mean if I have the right stuff to be a bodybuilder to go pro. You know, small joints, wide shoulders, small waist. All that stuff.

I have several weight lifting friends, and I am the only one among them that beleives in training legs the hardest everytime. They consider a good leg workout to be 30 calf raises on the calf machine, leg curls and leg extensions, and that's good enough. HAH! I do squats, stiff legged deadlifts, leg presses, smith machine calf raises, and as "finishers" I use the leg extesion and leg curl machine.

Thanks for the advice!

alvinz

steroids are totally rong . wots rong with a natural build!!!!!

mokle

I'm 15% BF, and I consider myself fat. So you might be right.

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mixedmedia

Big muscles on guys do nothing for me and in fact, more often than not, turn me off. What's more, I've never liked the way overly buff guys move - they look awkward and uncomfortable. I'm 41 now and I've always felt this way. For example, my biggest teenage crush was Tim Curry in RHPS, and I LOVED the way his body looked. Still do.

I'm more inclined towards the well-toned and refined cerebral types.

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ro_square

Ok, that dude in the original post--with a little more fat, sure he could look ok in the abdomen/arm area, but his thighs are way too fucking big.

In regards to men's musculature:
big thighs = gross
thick neck = gross
disproportionately large arms in relation to one's general size = unattractive

Just, no matter how buff you want to be, stay well-proportioned. If you're a small guy, DO NOT make yourself huge. It does not look good. If you want to stay lean, get toned. I do prefer toned muscle to big-yet-not-well-defined muscle (but not to the extent of that dude you posted).



^Supremely hot. He could be more toned, but he looks so good it doesn't matter at all.

waltert

^^^ if that "guy" had boobs, you'd be hard-pressed to get me to beleive it was a guy.

anyway, I'd say that most girls would probably prefer in the 8-12% range

snowy

That guy in the post above is hot.

Really hot. Smoking hot.

Wow. Who is he?

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Ch'i

//Threadjack//
I was implying, as a joke, that if you started to get egotistical I would smack you around.

//End Threadjack//

ro_square

No way! The proportion of his hips is much too small in relation to the breadth of his shoulders. Maybe you're one of those guys who isn't very good at discerning trannies from women

And to onesnowyowl--if I can figure out who he is, I'll get back to you.