09-08-2006, 04:33 PM | #1 (permalink) |
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Ladies... How Buff is too Buff?
I'm curious, how buff is too buff? I'm into the bodybuilding stuff, so I've always got books and mags lying about. My mom saw my recent edition of Muscle and Fitness featuring this guy:
Of course, she was grossed out (as usual) and voiced her opinion. "That's so ugly! It looks like he boobs! Look at it! Doesn't it?!" My response was, "Really? Cause that's how I want to look. He's the guy I idolize." "Ungh" followed by an incredibly grossed out look. Now I've noted my mom's opinions about bodybuilders in their various stages of contest preparation, from their very lean competition weight to their off season weight. And I've got a theory: It's not the SIZE of the guy (unless it's at the extreme, like Ronnie Coleman or Jay Cutler) but the percentage of body fat he has (i.e. how lean he is). Think about it... this guy is (probably) about 10 pounds heavier than a Men's Health fitness model, but a good 3 to 5 % leaner. So you see more muscles, striations, and separation. OK, OK so what am I trying to say? Well, I'm wondering if you take that same guy, put on about 10 or 15 pounds of fat (just until he's about cover model leanness) would he be more appealing? |
09-08-2006, 04:52 PM | #2 (permalink) |
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Ew ew ew ew ew... with a body that hard whats the point in trying to cuddle? I may as well lay in bed with a pile of bricks. Lean muscle mass is awesome like say someone fresh out of boot camp. Thats sexy... then again there is something to be said for a guy thats got a lil flab... nice and cuddly on those cold lonely nights.
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09-08-2006, 05:19 PM | #4 (permalink) |
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I think you need to ASK about where we are in life..............in other words.........our AGE! LMAO! I'm sorry. I agree with Mom...........maybe because I am a mom. **shrugs**
Jason, I don't see the attractiveness. But, please don't go by what only Lady Sage, ngdawg, and I have posted. I find that as the years go on, that everyone has different opinions/likes/dislikes. Not only is it because of our past likes, but because those "past likes" seem to stay with us. For instance, most men my age still like the Rachel Welch look. And our fathers liked the voluminous look..........what they called the "Bombshell". Now I find that most young men seem to like the size 4 look (on women). So, it must change for the women and how they look at men. You have to remember, it's all about "image" and what society has made it. Or how fashion has changed it. Women like hardness. We go for hardness because............well............we are soft. Heh. But, we do want to feel like we are hugging something real and with a tad bit of softness. I'm getting off track! I responded because you compared it to your Mom's taste. Which says alot on what you think of her opinion. But her opinion should apply to "todays" standards. How do you FEEL about being buff? Do you really like the idea? GO FOR IT buddy!! As long as you aren't hurtin' yourself and you stay healthy, do what YOU want to do. Your mother may nag, but if you feel good about yourself and are healthy ....I say do it right, GO FOR IT! |
09-08-2006, 05:52 PM | #5 (permalink) |
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I'm really really into muscles and all that, i love me a big man, LOL, but I have always found the professional bodybuilders like the one above to be to much. But if that's what you would like to look like and are trying to acheive it I say go for it. If that's what makes you happy, then that's all that matters.
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09-08-2006, 06:00 PM | #7 (permalink) |
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Let's see a picture of him two weeks later and when he isn't flexing. There is no way he can stay that cut for a long period of time. And then he will just look like a very in shape guy.
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09-08-2006, 07:54 PM | #10 (permalink) |
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To me, I would not find a bodybuilder attractive because of all the work they have to do to get to that point. As I am not that into fitness, I would find it hard to be supportive and encouraging to my dude if he was into that sort of thing.
Talking about "real men" levels of buffness- Brad Pitt in fight club was icky. Edward Norton in American History X was hot, but almost too buff. Jason Statham in Crank and The Transporter was YUMMY. Keanu Reeves in The Matrix was on the leaner side of what I find attractive. My husband has the perfect body, however, because it's totally natural. Part of what I find attractive about a guy is him being natural- doing what he likes, what he's passionate about. That kind of passion is sexy, wether it results in being ripped or a bit flabby.
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09-08-2006, 08:31 PM | #11 (permalink) |
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YUCK!!! Buff arms are sexy but once the veins start poping out its gross but I think this guy has just enough not to be gross he could be a lil bit bigger but I think hes perfect.[img=http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/7409/newbe4.th.jpg]
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09-08-2006, 08:44 PM | #12 (permalink) |
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LadySage, I don’t get it why would lean muscle be attractive fresh out of boot camp but not any other time?
Nwdawg HA HA! That’s the point of bodybuilding, really. Arnold Schwarzenegger himself has given praise to bodybuilders by saying that they look like a walking anatomy chart. SugahBritches, one thing I’ve learned about age: when it comes to looks we all have the same general preferences. Which is why we have words like “MILF”. If they’re attractive, they’re attractive. I betcha my 65 year old Grandma finds Brad Pitt just as attractive as a 13 year old tween. I’m sorry SugahBritches but I must be in blonde mode. I compared what to my mom’s tastes? How do I feel about being buff? Well, I am buff I’m just err.. “thick”. Ha ha, but I am dieting to get to that level of leanness. ASU2003, he says he maintains a low level of bodyfat year round via low carb dieting. But you’re right, bodybuilders typically get down to about 3 or 4% bodyfat AND severely dehydrate themselves. Sportswidow05, I DO want to obtain that level of bodyfat (actually about 3% more than that) but only for a short time. I’ll let myself and anyone else *wink wink* enjoy that level of bodyfat before I went on a “bulk” to gain more muscle. Sage, those are good examples of what you like. Thanks for sharing that. However I am surprised to hear about Brad Pitt in Fight Club. Most girls RAVE about how hot he was in that movie. For all of you who may be wondering, I am NOT using steroids, nor do I ever plan on it. I won’t lie and say I’ve never thought of it, but I am not going to use them. So for the most part, it seems that it’s more the leanness than the size/bulk. Or am I wrong? |
09-08-2006, 09:09 PM | #14 (permalink) | |
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09-08-2006, 09:30 PM | #15 (permalink) |
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LadySage, ah gotcha. Damn, blonde mode is out to get me tonight! :P
Siege, yeah same here. Well, now more than ever, but even before when I was a whale with a 42" waist, the veins in my arms were always visable. Now that I'm a 34" waist they show even more. Here are some good examples of different bodyfat percentages. Pictures 3 through 8 will hopefully confirm my point as to women disliking extreme leaness. It's the same guy as he cuts fat from 12% bodyfat to 5% bodyfat. The last picture needs a warning, the guy's 3% bodyfat, and even I find it gross. 20% bodyfat: These guys are HUGE muscular wise, but a bit on the chunky side. 15% bodyfat: 12% bodyfat: 10% bodyfat: 7% bodyfat: 5% bodyfat: 3% bodyfat: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/attach...postid=2248100 |
09-08-2006, 10:06 PM | #16 (permalink) |
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looks good at 7 and 10% body fat.
cookmo..what do u mean..those 'neck thingis'.. you mean traps?
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09-09-2006, 06:10 AM | #18 (permalink) |
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Of those pictures, the ones less than 10% look nasty (to me).
EDIT: Erm... I'm a guy...
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09-09-2006, 06:11 AM | #19 (permalink) |
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Attractiveness is more than leanness, and less quantifiable (which I'm sure you understand, I just gotta get my disclaimer out there :P). On a strictly visual level, I prefer the pictures of the guy at 12 and 10 percent. But the visual level is the tip of the iceburg for the whole "attractiveness" perception. It would get my attention for a moment, but that's not what would keep it, or be strong enough for me to go out of my way to initiate a conversation with him.
By the way, I'm in the 30-40 year range.
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09-09-2006, 07:28 AM | #21 (permalink) | |
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09-09-2006, 08:16 AM | #22 (permalink) |
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I'm in my 20's, at least for another month. Of the various pictures there, I'd say the 10-12% fat are more attractive than the others, but I'm not really a fan of the big V shape on a guy in general. The extreme upper body, even if layered with a bit of fat, does nothing for me.
If I were to go straight, it'd be more likely for someone a bit more trim--Jimmy Smits, Pierce Brosnan, maybe Adrian Paul. Gilda (12% body fat)
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09-09-2006, 09:55 AM | #24 (permalink) |
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I can see the interest/atraction of the musculature, but it's the veins that freak me out.
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09-09-2006, 10:02 AM | #25 (permalink) | |
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Any buffer than that and it's just yucky. To be honest, buff guys aren't that attractive to me...Jason Statham is about the only buff guy I find sexy. In real life, I like guys with a little pudge, or super-skinny sticks with no muscles, lol. And for the record, I'm 24, and your mom is right. Even with the extra body fat, that guy above is still icky looking to me.
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09-09-2006, 01:31 PM | #26 (permalink) |
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Ch’i yeah, the 3% is weird. Doesn’t help that he isn’t aesthetic. Some weird ass muscle thing going on there. Creepy smile? Yeah, but you try flexing hard and seeing how nice you can smile.
Sultana, yeah, but that attention grabbing moment is what gives a guy the edge. I know from previous experience that the girl is most likely going to give the leaner guy more of a chance than the chubby guy, even if the chubby guy has more of an all around personality. SugahBritches, ah, gotcha. Now I comprende. Gilda, interesting you don’t like the V-shape. It seems most females like it in conjunction to the 6 pack. Onesnowyowl, hmmph, you just shot down my theory. Well, thanks for your opinions. To be honest, it won’t affect my opinions or goals, but it’s interesting to see the female perspective. I wonder what it is that makes having that physique desirable to some guys. I know for me it is not necessarily wanting to impress the opposite sex but I must admit, it DOES give me the confidence to be able to go out and attract the opposite sex. And if you’re thinking that stereotypical thought of bodybuilders having small dongs, it doesn’t apply to me… at least not yet. What do I mean? Well as you get bigger muscles it starts to make other things appear smaller (your dong, as well as your head – the other head!). Anyway, I’m not saying that I’m finished I am still interested in hearing theories/opinions/fact/whatever, so go ahead and say what you will! |
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This can apply to all sorts of things other than body image, but you get the point. Some people accept the general rule that X is better, in this case, more muscular, broad shoulders, a trim waist, a flat stomach, and in the pursuit of that goal lose sight of reasonable limits, and the goal becomes to reach the most extreme position possible--the goal moves relative to one's current status. Quote:
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09-10-2006, 12:00 AM | #29 (permalink) | |
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09-10-2006, 05:08 AM | #30 (permalink) | |
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09-10-2006, 05:58 AM | #31 (permalink) |
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I think the whole point is that JASON feels good about it. If that is what motivates him, more power to him. My only suggestion was to be healthy about it which he says he will. But, there are many times when a person will look in the mirror and think they are fat and in reality they are underweight.
And THAT is when it becomes a big problem. I'm only thinking that one can get too addictive (at something) and then they can have problems. As long as it's a "goal" and they feel good about themselves without hurting themselves, then I say go for what makes you feel good about yourself. |
09-10-2006, 06:17 AM | #32 (permalink) |
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I think the 7% and below pics are unattractive. I like having something to cuddle with that would be comfortable to lie my head on. When the guy in the OP isn't as lean, he's very attractive. I think it's the lack of body fat... makes it look unnatural and uncomfortable.
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09-10-2006, 06:56 AM | #33 (permalink) |
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Most of you like fat guys? Interesting.
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09-10-2006, 07:09 AM | #34 (permalink) |
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I'm with Cali. I found the 15% pic to be the best one.
When I met my husband, he was into Kendo, had 17" arms and really thick legs. He and I both did some weight exercising, but I was adamant about not going overboard. I've never been attracted at all to body builders-there's the cliche that they're egotistical and the only one I ever actually knew, was very much so. If you think that getting to 3% is going to attract the opposite sex, I think you're wrong. I also think, given what's been written in health articles, that getting body fat to such a low number is, in the long run, unhealthy. The human body needs some fat. My sister is a fat-phobic and is one of the most UNhealthy people I know, but try getting her to even use butter? There needs to be balance-3% ain't balance, it's obsession.
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09-10-2006, 03:33 PM | #35 (permalink) | |
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Of course, studies just cover averages; lots of people love chunky guys, lots love the muscle sharks, and lots love the ones that look like sticks.
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09-11-2006, 04:31 AM | #36 (permalink) | |
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09-11-2006, 06:44 AM | #37 (permalink) |
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I like my men lean but not overly built. I'm not a fan of very muscly men because I find that intimidating. Though most men could probably overpower me if they tried, I don't want one who looks like he could crush my foot if he accidentally stepped on it. I think I know why I don't like men that are overly built. Because they look like "animals". I'm sorry but something about that first pic reminds me of a butcher's chart of where the prime beef cuts are! I prefer guys a little leaner because they "seem" (totally psychological I know) a little more sensitive and less menacing. But yes I know that there's plenty of big guys out there who just want a cuddle!
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09-12-2006, 05:14 PM | #39 (permalink) |
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Interesting to see how stereotype has factored into this.
At the moment I am not egotistical but I'm also not at that level of leanness. Hopefully I won't get egoistical. Will you guys promise to keep me in check if I do? I’m serious now! |
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