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Carno · 02-21-2006, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Martel

I think the problem that most of the people here have with this "game" stuff is when it involves using non-straightforward techniques ("devaluing", dominating conversations/situations/etc) in order to try to achieve some goal then it comes across as being manipulative, and most people find the idea of being manipulated to be unpleasant.

If "game" just means "how you act when you're out in public" then what's the point of calling it "game" and having a bunch of "techniques" and crap? It seems pretty clear to me (and I assume the rest of the people who have a problem with it) that this is crossing the line towards human manipulation in the same vein as agressive corporate marketing.

Read skier's post.

777 · 02-21-2006, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by JinnKai

"Having game" is a subtle way of saying that you're so personality-deficient that you need to use mockery and "game" to convince the girl she should be with you. It's a "game" in that you're actually trying to compete for her attention.

It's not that they're "personality-deficient", it's just another part of their personality. Like in a job interview, some one would naturally want to make a great impression. So you'll learn how to handle tough questions, turn negatives into positives, speak highly of your previous employers when ever possible, and try to read the interviewer to see what kind of person the company is looking for. And why are such skills learned? Because job searches are very competitive. Companies offer the best salary and benefits they can afford to attract the best candidates. And each candidate is trying to prove that they are the best qualified for the job.

And to quote Jerry Sienfeld, "And what is a date really but a job interview that lasts all night. The only difference between an date and a job interview is not many job interviews there's a chance you'll end up naked at the end of it." So there's nothing wrong with improving your "game" or improving your job interview skills. You’re just trying to be the best person possible in either situation.

mbchills · 02-21-2006, 06:33 PM

You guys can argue all you want that it isn't "ethical" and that its "manipulative", but that's just bullshit. This is the best stuff that females react to. I respect women and i don't treat them like shit. There is nothing wrong with the game. It's just a more advanced form of social dynamics that works a lot better then "just being yourself"

And it worked, the girl messaged me today and wanted to hang out, she's very interested in me now. I told her i was busy and she asked about tomorrow, and the next day.

I completely turned around the whole situation, how many times has that been done when given the "let's just be friends" speach?
that right there says enough that the game works.
and no body is personality deficient, but it IS a game. why? because it's fun, if you don't have fun you'll lose.

JumpinJesus · 02-21-2006, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by mbchills

You guys can argue all you want that it isn't "ethical" and that its "manipulative", but that's just bullshit. This is the best stuff that females react to. I respect women and i don't treat them like shit. There is nothing wrong with the game. It's just a more advanced form of social dynamics that works a lot better then "just being yourself"

And it worked, the girl messaged me today and wanted to hang out, she's very interested in me now. I told her i was busy and she asked about tomorrow, and the next day.

I completely turned around the whole situation, how many times has that been done when given the "let's just be friends" speach?
that right there says enough that the game works.
and no body is personality deficient, but it IS a game. why? because it's fun, if you don't have fun you'll lose.

That could very well be true, but hopefully you understand that your verbage lent to the notion that manipulation and disrespect were part of it. If you see it as a game, that's fine for you, but again, you need to understand that many people view this as nothing short of manipulation. You don't see it that way because it works for you. The women you attract with those methods don't see it as a game because they play it, too. To outside observers, it seems trite, childish, and manipulative. You can disagree all you want and you can point to success as proof that it works but that doesn't change how it's seen from the outside.

You use the argument that since she is now responding to you, it validates the "game". It could very well be that you were the one manipulated into chasing her down and she now sees you as easily controlled. I could be wrong, but without honesty, you never know where you truly stand or what is really going on.

If you're enjoying yourself, then in the end, that's all that matters, I guess. Eventually, though, you'll tire of this form of socialization and you'll find that women worth more than youthful gameplaying will not respond to whatever rulebook you're following at the moment.

Either way, it's your life and you have to live it your way.

skier · 02-21-2006, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by mbchills

It's just a more advanced form of social dynamics that works a lot better then "just being yourself"

and no body is personality deficient, but it IS a game. why? because it's fun, if you don't have fun you'll lose.

I don't think you understand. You're using the techniques you've learned to replace real interaction- which is being yourself. Instead of gaining a skill to better express yourself, you're using them to distance yourself from emotional risk and connection.

You may or may not be personality deficient, I don't know you well enough to say either way. But I know from what you've posted that you will never be able to make a real, solid, stable relationship with another woman until you show your true self to them.

MEAD · 02-21-2006, 07:31 PM

I'm not taking a side in this I'd jsut like to lend a little bit of what I was thinking upon reading these posts. Social interaction, especially with those whom we do not know well, is manipulative. Examine the rituals of our culture: we say, "Hello, how are you?" We shake hands or hug or even kiss. We do those things to put the other person at ease, in other words we manipulate them. Just because we are using techniques to make another person feel easy and thusly manipulating them, does not mean we harbor negative intentions. That's just one example of how everyone manipulates others in a social situation.

And on this idea of being honest... How much of the time are we even honest to ourselves? Why should we commit ourselves to be completely honest to others. I used to make it a point to be honest to my ex. Many times I'd tell her the truth... at that moment. Later my mind could have changed, but since I presented my thoughts at the time as honesty, it became incredibly hard to take those things back just because my opinions had changed. Honesty can be painful, not always nessecary, and worst, not always true. Apply that idea to someone we just met. We may be decieving them even moreso by being upfront and honest!

We project what we think are admirable traits in our soical interaction, what we want to be, or what the mean of our personality is. Just because you feel like shit one day doesnt mean all the people you meet that day have to know about it, and consequently assume thats how you are all the time. We owe it to people to show them who we usually are, or what we have every intention of being. Honestly, that's more honest than the truth of the moment.

Interacting is complex. The idea of just being "honest" is an oversimplification of the problem. You are just avoiding admittance that relating to others is difficult, learned, and at its core, manipulative.

Honesty is also intimacy... It carries a certian weight for you and the person recieving it. We should not be expected to share a piece of our inner self to everyone who we meet. That would be draining for us, and to assume the other person even wants our honesty is offensive to them. Forcing that level of intimacy upon early encounters is foolish. Most people gaurd their inner selves more than they do their physical selves, they would rather have sex with someone than share the deepest thoughts. Apply that to a new relationship. Being completely honest is like you had already been having sex before you even met!

JumpinJesus · 02-21-2006, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by MEAD

I'm not taking a side in this I'd jsut like to lend a little bit of what I was thinking upon reading these posts. Social interaction, especially with those whom we do not know well, is manipulative. Examine the rituals of our culture: we say, "Hello, how are you?" We shake hands or hug or even kiss. We do those things to put the other person at ease, in other words we manipulate them. Just because we are using techniques to make another person feel easy and thusly manipulating them, does not mean we harbor negative intentions. That's just one example of how everyone manipulates others in a social situations.

And on this idea of being honest... How much of the time are we even honest to ourselves? Why should we commit ourselves to be completely honest to others. I used to make it a point to be honest to my ex. Many times I'd tell her the truth... at that moment. Later my mind could have changed, but since I presented my thoughts at the time as honesty, it became incredibly hard to take those things back just because my opinions had changed. Honestly can be painful, not always nessecary, and worst, not always true. Apply that idea to someone we just met. We may be decieving them even moreso by being upfront and honest!

We project what we think are admirable traits in our soical interaction, what we want to be, or what the mean of our personality is. Just because you feel like shit one day doesnt mean all the people you meet that day have to know about it, and consequently assume thats how you are all the time. We owe it to people to show them who we usually are, or what we have every intention of being. Honestly, that's more honest that the truth of the moment.

Interacting is complex. The idea of just being "honest" is an oversimplification of the problem. You are just avoiding admittance that relating to others is difficult, learned, and at its core, manipulative.

Honesty is also intimacy... It carries a certian weight for you and the person recieving it. We should not be expected to share a piece of our inner self to everyone who we meet. That would be draining for us, and to assume the other person even wants our honesty is offensive to them. Forcing that level of intimacy upon early encounters is foolish. Most people gaurd their inner selves more than they do their physical selves, they would rather have sex with someone than share the deepest thoughts. Apply that to a new relationship. Being completely honest is like you had already been having sex before you even met!

Mead,

I have to admit you make an excellent point and in that manner this makes me rethink my previous posts. While I disagree with his methods and wouldn't utilize them myself, your post causes me to agree that we all manipulate to an extent, and therefore passing judgment on the OP in that light is a bit hypocritical on my part.

I guess we never think it's wrong when we do it for our own reasons.

Martel · 02-21-2006, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Carn

Read skier's post.

Well gee, you know what, I did.

MEAD · 02-21-2006, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by JumpinJesus

Mead,

I have to admit you make an excellent point and in that manner this makes me rethink my previous posts. While I disagree with his methods and wouldn't utilize them myself, your post causes me to agree that we all manipulate to an extent, and therefore passing judgment on the OP in that light is a bit hypocritical on my part.

I guess we never think it's wrong when we do it for our own reasons.

There are all sorts of gray shades in this quandry though. I really wasnt aruging for the original poster at all, I was rather just trying to break this arugement down to its core issue. There are certainly limits on how much one should manipulate others in our daily lives though, and I can't possible say what that limit is. I don't have that wisdom in the least. I only know what I would want from someone else, what my ideal would be.

abaya · 02-21-2006, 11:54 PM

So with this game stuff, what happens after one or two years into a serious relationship? Do you keep up the game all the way into getting married? Having kids? Do you keep up the game around your wife when she's pregnant, testing her bitch shield? Do you use the game in order to avoid taking out the garbage or washing dishes?

I may sound facetious here, but really... I don't see how any relationship starting with personality facades can last for a significant amount of time, given the realities of actual relationships. It seems that relationships started by "having game" must end shortly thereafter (no longer than a year, tops). At some point the truth has to come out.

Anyone seen the movie "About a Boy"? ...perfect example.

skier · 02-21-2006, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Martel

Well gee, you know what, I did.

Did you like it?

match000 · 02-22-2006, 03:33 AM

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Originally Posted by ratbastid

You should probably post this in the "Getting Girls" thread. That's as close as I'm going to get to giving advice here.

I find this both fascinating and depressing.
It's not the question itself, so much as the tone. The "seduction" scene has all this weird jargon and acronyms and stuff. It's kind of creepy, all these guys huddled together speaking some strange language to each other about how to score with women. The topics were different, in the forts I made with my pals back when I was 8 years old, but the rest is identical.

How about going OUT among other humans? How about being YOURSELF? Whatever happened to HONESTY? Does our most basic human instinct--attraction, love and sex--have to be reduced to pawns on a game board? What a shame that is.

Or maybe it's just that my "game" has "evolved"...

/threadjack

If girls were as straightforward as guys are we wouldn't have this mess.

Girls can be flaky, ambivalent, wish-washy, capricious, which causes guys to have to resort to this kind of shit.

And no, that does not mean all the girls i've interacted with have bad character or whatnot. I've interacted with a few 'good' ones and from my friends' experiences as well, girls can be VERY fickle (even teh good ones).

And, seriously guys, you have to be yourself and honest, but you have to know how to present it properly. If you hang out with a girl only a few times, then, being honest, say "I like you" most likely you will get smack back and she will run. No, I am not scarred. But you just have to read it right.

And those 'game' skills the OP talks about just helps you navigate the social mazes. And no, that doesn't mean that only 'bad' girls play the social game.

If you step into a job interview and say, "I really really am super qualified and I totally want to work for you! Please!" I wonder how they will react. But if you play it cool, be confident, say it slow and steady, in a more proper way, you will do much better. Does that mean your being fake? Nooo.. you have to handle the social aspect too.

The argument would be: if you play the 'game', you attract only those bad-characters who 'play the game'. This just depends on what extent and how you 'play the game'. Like skier said, if you use it only as a tool to better present yourself, then bravo. If you act deceitful with it, then well, thats bad in my opinion.

match000 · 02-22-2006, 03:38 AM

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Originally Posted by JumpinJesus

Before this thread moves into the realm of nonsense, I want to give a genuine reply.

mbchills,

If by "in the bag" you mean "sexual intercourse" then I have a very easy answer for you. This is guaranteed to result in the woman NOT saying, "Let's just be friends" and will guarantee the sex. They're called prostitutes.

Before you think I'm joking, hear me out....It's obvious from the tone of your post that you're not interested in anything more than sex at this point - which is cool. There's nothing wrong with wanting just the sex. You seem concerned with things such as "bitch shield" which lends a bit to the notion that you don't have a whole lot of respect for women in general - which is cool if you're into misogyny. Most people aren't, but hey...we're only young and obnoxious once, right?

Now, seeing as that your interest lies in getting laid and you have little respect for women, it would seem a shame to spend the money you must in buying the clothes, the cologne, the drinks, the music, the everything it takes to have your game tight. Think of the money you could save by just getting a hooker. You don't even have to get dressed up for them. There won't be any "bitch shield" to prevent the intercourse from taking place and she will have absolutely no interest in "just being friends". In the end, you both win.

Of course, the other option you have, if hiring a lady of the night isn't your bag, is to mature a bit, condition yourself to respect women, and you may find that instead of chasing girls, you end up with a woman.

I agree with teh respecting women part 110%, but really, you shouldn't tell people to 'stop chasing girls.' I mean, it doesn't happen magically all by itself. You have to at least be socially reaching outward.

match000 · 02-22-2006, 04:27 AM

Oh yeah, and the game that everyone talks about is basically flirting. I dunno what kind of mature, smart, honest women you guys know, but I'm pretty sure every normal girl flirts.

Jinn · 02-22-2006, 07:49 AM

In the style of Carn,

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Originally Posted by abaya

I may sound facetious here, but really... I don't see how any relationship starting with personality facades can last for a significant amount of time, given the realities of actual relationships. It seems that relationships started by "having game" must end shortly thereafter (no longer than a year, tops). At some point the truth has to come out.

Read abaya's post.

I can't fathom a relationship whose foundation began by "breaking down a"bitch shield" being a meaningful relationship. While I might accept that having "game" is an effective strategy for getting laid, I don't think anyone here can argue that it's a good strategy for HAVING A REAL RELATIONSHIP. You know, where the people talk about things that matter, love each other, and stuff..

skier · 02-22-2006, 01:14 PM

I find this thread fascinating. The TFP community is usually very open towards different viewpoints yet this really strikes a nerve with the majority of members here, and the nature of the posts from both sides are quite aggresive/preachy/stubborn. Why is this such an important issue?

match000 · 02-22-2006, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by skier

I find this thread fascinating. The TFP community is usually very open towards different viewpoints yet this really strikes a nerve with the majority of members here, and the nature of the posts from both sides are quite aggresive/preachy/stubborn. Why is this such an important issue?

Good damage prevention and control

Soma should note this in his social skills thread

Toaster126 · 02-22-2006, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by skier

I find this thread fascinating. The TFP community is usually very open towards different viewpoints yet this really strikes a nerve with the majority of members here, and the nature of the posts from both sides are quite aggresive/preachy/stubborn.

Quoted for truth. I think this thread stinks of hypocrisy.

Sultana · 02-22-2006, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by skier

I find this thread fascinating. The TFP community is usually very open towards different viewpoints yet this really strikes a nerve with the majority of members here, and the nature of the posts from both sides are quite aggresive/preachy/stubborn. Why is this such an important issue?

I think the intentions of the OP don't match the rather inflammitory language used in the post.

I understand that "the game" means flirting and social interaction, and taking control of the situations one finds oneself in, which to me is a good and admirable trait.

However, it's foolish to deny that use of value-based verbage like "devalue the woman", "play games", and the resoundingly popular "bitch shield" invoke an image of childishness, immaturity, penis-based thinking. The OP has since clarified his stance and added more information with what is, at least to this community, can be viewed as better, clearer, and more thoughtful language.

And the next time anyone refers to a Communications major as an easy, cheerleader-type major is gonna get bopped inthe back of the head! (see other threads relating to college majors and the like.) I could have thrown in something about context, but I figured that'd be gratuitous.

signed,
Your Friendly Local Communications graduate/douchebag threadjacker.

Carno · 02-22-2006, 02:25 PM

Well, I think that most people here think that the original poster is immature and/or a player. So are TFP'ers (as mostly really mature people) expected to be tolerant towards people who are immature? Kinda like the question, are tolerant people supposed to be tolerant towards intolerant people.

I don't think the OP is any of what I stated above, so I gave my honest answer and tried to be helpful. But some people I guess decided this thread didn't merit a helpful answer. Hypocritical? I dunno, but it kinda annoyed me.

Carno · 02-22-2006, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Sultana

signed,
Your Friendly Local Communications graduate/douchebag threadjacker.

For what it's worth, I thought your post was funny as hell

skier · 02-22-2006, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Sultana

I think the intentions of the OP don't match the rather inflammitory language used in the post.

I understand that "the game" means flirting and social interaction, and taking control of the situations one finds oneself in, which to me is a good and admirable trait.

However, it's foolish to deny that use of value-based verbage like "devalue the woman", "play games", and the resoundingly popular "bitch shield" invoke an image of childishness, immaturity, penis-based thinking. The OP has since clarified his stance and added more information with what is, at least to this community, can be viewed as better, clearer, and more thoughtful language.

I totally agree here. I feel it's more than just the context of the OP's subject. The issue of being a player or learning/using techniques for the express purpose of attracting women seems to be putting people on edge.

The terminology is certainly a contributing factor- instead of saying you broke down a bitch shield, you said you "broke the ice", the reaction I believe would be more favorable.

match000 · 02-22-2006, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Sultana

And the next time anyone refers to a Communications major as an easy, cheerleader-type major is gonna get bopped inthe back of the head! (see other threads relating to college majors and the like.) I could have thrown in something about context, but I figured that'd be gratuitous.

signed,
Your Friendly Local Communications graduate/douchebag threadjacker.

I'm sorry, but it is easy. Compared to.. hard sciences... engineering...

mbchills · 02-23-2006, 12:22 AM

or a Philosophy and Economics double major

god i hate Comm majors in my school, i'm writing a paper on Locke and Rousseau while my suite mates are writing papers on the color red in "Kill Bill"
hahaha

match000 · 02-23-2006, 01:12 AM

i envy people who get to write papers, period.

we have to do projects, weekly hw sets in every class, and labs too.

erg

Sharon · 03-26-2006, 09:43 AM

I think what it comes down to is this: guys generally aren't very good at flirting, teasing, etc. It seems to be something that comes naturally to us girls. If guys are learning how to flirt, I say GREAT! We all benefit.

Also, I see the word manipulation mentioned several times in this thread... if you ask me, manipulation is buying a woman dinner and gifts to get her into bed or to pay attention to you. While I'll admit I like dinner and gifts etc, it doesn't necessarily make me interested in the guy. Flirting well will give you a much better chance of getting my attention.

And while personality may not keep a woman interested forever, it will at least get her curious enough to find out more about you, in a similar way that a good-looking woman will get you interested long enough for you to want to see if she's as cool a person as she is hot.

doncalypso · 03-26-2006, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by mbchills

I know that once your game evolves you won't be hearing this anymore, and it shouldn't even matter if you do. But.. say you do hear the infamous LJBF, whats the most solid response? I've heard various opinions, some say just shrug it off like you don't care and she will come back. Others say that it could be bad timing so just say "yeah we already are friends" but act the same. What do you think?

This has happened to me recently, except it wasn't bad timing. I totally had this girl in the bag but I fucked up by letting her bitch shield get to me and I acted like an asshole, which she didn't like. So i got the LJBF. She said it was bad timing and for now we should be friends but she can't predict the future. My response was "i already have enough friends", but i'm second guessing. Maybe I should've said "yeah that's cool, i can't really see us being more then friends anyway" and been her friend while acting the same, minus getting her bitch shield get to me which i'm really disappointed in myself for.

Basically my question is: Whats the most solid response for a LJBF?

"Let's Just Be Friends" = The worst thing a woman could ever tell a man.

I guess the most solid response a guy could give is "sure," and then proceed to cut off all contact with that woman---if she's guilty of having led him on for a long time giving him false hope.

If she tells you this right off the bat before you actually start developing genuine feelings for her then it's cool, but I'd still suggest you take some time away from her to get your interest focused on other women before you renew contact with her as a platonic friend.

02-21-2006, 06:33 PM	#43 (permalink)
mbchills Insane Location: NJ	You guys can argue all you want that it isn't "ethical" and that its "manipulative", but that's just bullshit. This is the best stuff that females react to. I respect women and i don't treat them like shit. There is nothing wrong with the game. It's just a more advanced form of social dynamics that works a lot better then "just being yourself" And it worked, the girl messaged me today and wanted to hang out, she's very interested in me now. I told her i was busy and she asked about tomorrow, and the next day. I completely turned around the whole situation, how many times has that been done when given the "let's just be friends" speach? that right there says enough that the game works. and no body is personality deficient, but it IS a game. why? because it's fun, if you don't have fun you'll lose. __________________ rawr.

02-21-2006, 07:31 PM	#46 (permalink)
MEAD Insane Location: South Florida	I'm not taking a side in this I'd jsut like to lend a little bit of what I was thinking upon reading these posts. Social interaction, especially with those whom we do not know well, is manipulative. Examine the rituals of our culture: we say, "Hello, how are you?" We shake hands or hug or even kiss. We do those things to put the other person at ease, in other words we manipulate them. Just because we are using techniques to make another person feel easy and thusly manipulating them, does not mean we harbor negative intentions. That's just one example of how everyone manipulates others in a social situation. And on this idea of being honest... How much of the time are we even honest to ourselves? Why should we commit ourselves to be completely honest to others. I used to make it a point to be honest to my ex. Many times I'd tell her the truth... at that moment. Later my mind could have changed, but since I presented my thoughts at the time as honesty, it became incredibly hard to take those things back just because my opinions had changed. Honesty can be painful, not always nessecary, and worst, not always true. Apply that idea to someone we just met. We may be decieving them even moreso by being upfront and honest! We project what we think are admirable traits in our soical interaction, what we want to be, or what the mean of our personality is. Just because you feel like shit one day doesnt mean all the people you meet that day have to know about it, and consequently assume thats how you are all the time. We owe it to people to show them who we usually are, or what we have every intention of being. Honestly, that's more honest than the truth of the moment. Interacting is complex. The idea of just being "honest" is an oversimplification of the problem. You are just avoiding admittance that relating to others is difficult, learned, and at its core, manipulative. Honesty is also intimacy... It carries a certian weight for you and the person recieving it. We should not be expected to share a piece of our inner self to everyone who we meet. That would be draining for us, and to assume the other person even wants our honesty is offensive to them. Forcing that level of intimacy upon early encounters is foolish. Most people gaurd their inner selves more than they do their physical selves, they would rather have sex with someone than share the deepest thoughts. Apply that to a new relationship. Being completely honest is like you had already been having sex before you even met! __________________ Here are some phrases I'd like to be able to say, in all honesty, before I die. "That's it, send out the ninjas!" "So then I had to kill my way to the second floor." Last edited by MEAD; 02-21-2006 at 10:16 PM..

02-21-2006, 11:54 PM	#50 (permalink)
abaya Location: Iceland	So with this game stuff, what happens after one or two years into a serious relationship? Do you keep up the game all the way into getting married? Having kids? Do you keep up the game around your wife when she's pregnant, testing her bitch shield? Do you use the game in order to avoid taking out the garbage or washing dishes? I may sound facetious here, but really... I don't see how any relationship starting with personality facades can last for a significant amount of time, given the realities of actual relationships. It seems that relationships started by "having game" must end shortly thereafter (no longer than a year, tops). At some point the truth has to come out. Anyone seen the movie "About a Boy"? ...perfect example. __________________ And think not you can direct the course of Love; for Love, if it finds you worthy, directs your course. --Khalil Gibran

02-22-2006, 01:14 PM	#56 (permalink)
skier Rawr! Location: Edmontania	I find this thread fascinating. The TFP community is usually very open towards different viewpoints yet this really strikes a nerve with the majority of members here, and the nature of the posts from both sides are quite aggresive/preachy/stubborn. Why is this such an important issue? __________________ "Asking a bomb squad if an old bomb is still "real" is not the best thing to do if you want to save it." - denim

02-22-2006, 02:25 PM	#60 (permalink)
Carno Junkie	Well, I think that most people here think that the original poster is immature and/or a player. So are TFP'ers (as mostly really mature people) expected to be tolerant towards people who are immature? Kinda like the question, are tolerant people supposed to be tolerant towards intolerant people. I don't think the OP is any of what I stated above, so I gave my honest answer and tried to be helpful. But some people I guess decided this thread didn't merit a helpful answer. Hypocritical? I dunno, but it kinda annoyed me. __________________ http://how-to-spell-ridiculous.com/

02-22-2006, 04:27 AM	#54 (permalink)
match000 Psycho	Oh yeah, and the game that everyone talks about is basically flirting. I dunno what kind of mature, smart, honest women you guys know, but I'm pretty sure every normal girl flirts.

02-23-2006, 12:22 AM	#64 (permalink)
mbchills Insane Location: NJ	or a Philosophy and Economics double major god i hate Comm majors in my school, i'm writing a paper on Locke and Rousseau while my suite mates are writing papers on the color red in "Kill Bill" hahaha __________________ rawr.

02-23-2006, 01:12 AM	#65 (permalink)
match000 Psycho	i envy people who get to write papers, period. we have to do projects, weekly hw sets in every class, and labs too. erg

03-26-2006, 09:43 AM	#66 (permalink)
Sharon Coy, sultry and... naughty! Location: Across the way	I think what it comes down to is this: guys generally aren't very good at flirting, teasing, etc. It seems to be something that comes naturally to us girls. If guys are learning how to flirt, I say GREAT! We all benefit. Also, I see the word manipulation mentioned several times in this thread... if you ask me, manipulation is buying a woman dinner and gifts to get her into bed or to pay attention to you. While I'll admit I like dinner and gifts etc, it doesn't necessarily make me interested in the guy. Flirting well will give you a much better chance of getting my attention. And while personality may not keep a woman interested forever, it will at least get her curious enough to find out more about you, in a similar way that a good-looking woman will get you interested long enough for you to want to see if she's as cool a person as she is hot.