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samcol · 12-22-2005, 02:31 PM

The Ohio Patriot Act is set to pass soon and you may want to call your governor if you live there. I haven't read it yet, but the interpretations of it that I've been reading make the USA Patriot Act sound like a Bill of Rights.

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Bill Would Allow Arrests For No Reason In Public Place
Citizens Would Also Have To Show ID

News Net 5 | December 22 2005

CLEVELAND -- A bill on Gov. Bob Taft's desk right now is drawing a lot of criticism, NewsChannel5 reported.

One state representative said it resembles Gestapo-style tactics of government, and there could be changes coming on the streets of Ohio's small towns and big cities.

The Ohio Patriot Act has made it to the Taft's desk, and with the stroke of a pen, it would most likely become the toughest terrorism bill in the country. The lengthy piece of legislation would let police arrest people in public places who will not give their names, address and birth dates, even if they are not doing anything wrong.

WEWS reported it would also pave the way for everyone entering critical transportation sites such as, train stations, airports and bus stations to show ID.

"It brings us frighteningly close to a show me your papers society," said Carrie Davis of the ACLU, which opposes the Ohio Patriot Act.

There are many others who oppose the bill as well.

"The variety of people who opposed to this is not just a group of the usual suspects. We have people far right to the left opposing the bill who think it is a bad idea," said Al McGinty, NewsChannel5’s terrorism expert.

McGinty said he isn't sure the law would do what it's intended to do.

"I think anything we do to enhance security and give power to protect the public to police officers is a good idea," he said. "It is a good law in the wrong direction."

Gov. Bob Taft will make the ultimate decision on whether to sign the bill.

WEWS was told that Taft is expected to sign the bill into law, but legal experts expect that it will be challenged in courts.

The ACLU has a real limp wristed approach to the bill saying it brings us "frightenly close to a show me your papers society" when apparently the bill says you will be arrested if you don't show your papers. Hopefully they will take a real stand against this and not comprimise us further down the police state.

pan6467 · 12-22-2005, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by samcol

The Ohio Patriot Act is set to pass soon and you may want to call your governor if you live there. I haven't read it yet, but the interpretations of it that I've been reading make the USA Patriot Act sound like a Bill of Rights.

The ACLU has a real limp wristed approach to the bill saying it brings us "frightenly close to a show me your papers society" when apparently the bill says you will be arrested if you don't show your papers. Hopefully they will take a real stand against this and not comprimise us further down the police state.

This is why we need to demand our State and federal legislators to show what bills are being voted on. I have never heard of this and I read 3 papers daily, watch local news, and pay as best attention to what goes on in all levels of government as possible, and I have never heard of it. Yet, it has passed through legislature and now sits on Taft's desk?

Either the GOP falsely believe this will get them re-elected and have people forget the last year full of scandals OR they are playing Taft as a total idiot and are working to wipe out any political future he may have as a dog catcher in the Cincy area...... OR they are truly ignorant and underestimate the fact that the people will not be happy.

If it's too serious we may end up losing what little tourism we have left in this state. Which truly would bankrupt this state as they heavily depend on the tax revenue and income generated by Cedar Point, King's Island, Lake Erie, the state parks and the sports teams.

Willravel · 12-22-2005, 02:54 PM

If they pased that here, I'd sue the state and make an example of them. If you live in Ohio, I suggest you do the same.

samcol · 01-12-2006, 09:25 AM

It passed.

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New Ohio Law Allows Cops to Request ID

Fox News | January 12 2006

Comment: Any law that violates the Constitution is null and void. This law violates the 4th Amendment therefore it is null and void.

Ohio Republican Gov. Bob Taft on Wednesday signed a bill into law passed by the state legislature with barely a word of dissent. Supporters of the state's security measure, which takes effect in 90 days, say it's a tool the state can use in fighting terrorism.

"Like everyone else, after Sept. 11, I became a lot more concerned about our safety and security," said state Sen. Jeff Jacobson, sponsor of the bill, which also instructs local law enforcement to lend assistance when able to federal authorities carrying out provisions of the Patriot Act.

"We felt very strongly that we needed to have laws in Ohio to out our state on the frontline of fighting terrorism," Jacobson said.

But dissent is building over authority given to police officers, who can now ask, "What's your name?" as a tool to fight terrorism. Failure to identify oneself could land an individual in jail.

Critics call the measure the Ohio Patriot Act. The law also requires those applying for state driver's licenses to sign a form that they haven't supported terrorist organizations.

The American Civil Liberties Union opposed the measure because of the new powers it gives to police.

"[It] takes us back to the days of Sen. McCarthy and the House Committee on Un-American Activities with demands that people confess their sins," said Jeffrey Gamso, a spokesman for the ACLU.

But supporters such as police agencies say the new law will be useful without abusing civil rights.

"I think there's enough checks and balances and enough guidelines have been set up by the courts that we will follow," said Michael Weinman, legal liaison for the Columbus, Ohio, police department.

The final version of the bill passed the state Senate with only two 'no' votes.

"People are very afraid to vote against any bill of this nature," said Daniel Tokaji, a law professor at Ohio State University. "They have to stand for re-election and no one wants to be perceived as soft on terrorism."

Others agree that the measure will come up in the upcoming election.

"This doesn't have a little to do with the upcoming election. It has everything to do with the upcoming election," said Chris Redfern, chairman of the Ohio Democratic Party.

highthief · 01-12-2006, 09:58 AM

I love Buckeyes football, but damn, Ohio is a very, very strange place...

dksuddeth · 01-12-2006, 01:23 PM

Not that I've ever wanted to visit ohio, but this sure does cement the idea of not ever going there in the first place.

ASU2003 · 01-16-2006, 09:04 PM

oh, no. Help...I'm stuck here in Ohio!

knock, knock

carrier lost

pan6467 · 01-17-2006, 12:12 AM

Yeah we have terrorism in Ohio, didn't anyone know?

It's named Noe and the GOP and they need the heat off their scandals.

"Ve haff vays to make you tawk, SamCol and ASU........turn over your leftist brothers and sisters who are members of the worst terror group in Ohio..... the Democratic Party. Ve just vant to explain there are no scandals in Ohio politics. Noe, Taft, Ney and zee others have done nozzing."

Seaver · 01-17-2006, 12:34 AM

I got in "trouble" with the police here on the UT-Austin Campus.

I was walking back from the library at 3am (who doesnt study this late during finals?), when the campus police asked for ID. We got in an argument cause I told them no... and proceeded to call them Spam (wanna-be pork). So they called the police because I was "disturbing the peace", who quickly handcuffed me. However when they asked what started the incident they released me and apologized.

I imagine with this bill some brave man will simply say NO to presenting his/her ID without just cause and will take it to court where it will be forever struck down.

pan6467 · 01-17-2006, 12:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Seaver

I imagine with this bill some brave man will simply say NO to presenting his/her ID without just cause and will take it to court where it will be forever struck down.

Takes money to fight the sysytem and most likely the one who is brave won't have the money and will get lost in the system, spending a lot of needless time in jail.

dksuddeth · 01-17-2006, 07:02 AM

I will say again, the best way to fight the system nowadays is in the pocketbook, or the balance sheet when it comes to governments. If you don't like the laws in Ohio, move to a friendlier state. Thats one of the reasons why I finally left Illinois....the gun laws were just too damn restrictive. I don't go back even though half of my family lives there. Illinois does not get any of my money. If more people thought that way, the current sitting government would either be voted out or forced to change the laws.

jwoody · 01-17-2006, 08:15 AM

djtestudo · 01-17-2006, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by pan6467

Takes money to fight the sysytem and most likely the one who is brave won't have the money and will get lost in the system, spending a lot of needless time in jail.

ACLU would fund the fight, wouldn't they?

pan6467 · 01-17-2006, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by djtestudo

ACLU would fund the fight, wouldn't they?

One would hope so but who knows anymore. I haven't heard anything really big come from the ACLU since they said they would back Limbaugh.

I worry that they are not as strong as they once were, that the donations they needed to fight things like this law have dried up.

I hope I am wrong.

01-12-2006, 09:58 AM	#5 (permalink)
highthief Junkie Location: Ontario, Canada	I love Buckeyes football, but damn, Ohio is a very, very strange place... __________________ Si vis pacem parabellum.

01-12-2006, 01:23 PM	#6 (permalink)
dksuddeth Junkie Location: bedford, tx	Not that I've ever wanted to visit ohio, but this sure does cement the idea of not ever going there in the first place. __________________ "no amount of force can control a free man, a man whose mind is free. No, not the rack, not fission bombs, not anything. You cannot conquer a free man; the most you can do is kill him."

01-16-2006, 09:04 PM	#7 (permalink)
ASU2003 immoral minority Location: Back in Ohio	oh, no. Help...I'm stuck here in Ohio! knock, knock carrier lost Last edited by ASU2003; 01-16-2006 at 09:07 PM..

01-17-2006, 12:12 AM	#8 (permalink)
pan6467 Lennonite Priest Location: Mansfield, Ohio USA	Yeah we have terrorism in Ohio, didn't anyone know? It's named Noe and the GOP and they need the heat off their scandals. "Ve haff vays to make you tawk, SamCol and ASU........turn over your leftist brothers and sisters who are members of the worst terror group in Ohio..... the Democratic Party. Ve just vant to explain there are no scandals in Ohio politics. Noe, Taft, Ney and zee others have done nozzing." __________________ I just love people who use the excuse "I use/do this because I LOVE the feeling/joy/happiness it brings me" and expect you to be ok with that as you watch them destroy their life blindly following. My response is, "I like to put forks in an eletrical socket, just LOVE that feeling, can't ever get enough of it, so will you let me put this copper fork in that electric socket?" Last edited by pan6467; 01-17-2006 at 12:17 AM..

01-17-2006, 07:02 AM	#11 (permalink)
dksuddeth Junkie Location: bedford, tx	I will say again, the best way to fight the system nowadays is in the pocketbook, or the balance sheet when it comes to governments. If you don't like the laws in Ohio, move to a friendlier state. Thats one of the reasons why I finally left Illinois....the gun laws were just too damn restrictive. I don't go back even though half of my family lives there. Illinois does not get any of my money. If more people thought that way, the current sitting government would either be voted out or forced to change the laws. __________________ "no amount of force can control a free man, a man whose mind is free. No, not the rack, not fission bombs, not anything. You cannot conquer a free man; the most you can do is kill him."

12-22-2005, 02:54 PM	#3 (permalink)
Willravel ... a sort of licensed troubleshooter.	If they pased that here, I'd sue the state and make an example of them. If you live in Ohio, I suggest you do the same.

01-17-2006, 12:34 AM	#9 (permalink)
Seaver Junkie Location: Fort Worth, TX	I got in "trouble" with the police here on the UT-Austin Campus. I was walking back from the library at 3am (who doesnt study this late during finals?), when the campus police asked for ID. We got in an argument cause I told them no... and proceeded to call them Spam (wanna-be pork). So they called the police because I was "disturbing the peace", who quickly handcuffed me. However when they asked what started the incident they released me and apologized. I imagine with this bill some brave man will simply say NO to presenting his/her ID without just cause and will take it to court where it will be forever struck down.

01-17-2006, 08:15 AM	#12 (permalink)
jwoody Shackle Me Not Location: Newcastle - England.	__________________ .