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Old 11-18-2005, 01:59 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Indictments Related to Jack Abramoff

Disclaimer: If you do not like a lot of detail and complications in your political corruption sagas, I can guarantee that the Abramoff "story" is no the one for you. I want this to be the thread where members can post new developments concerning the Abramoff related investigations, and political commentary and opinion. This could be the biggest web of interwined corrupt political relationships of the new century in Washington.

It's time for a thread devoted ti indictments related to lobbyist Jack Abramoff's criminal activities, because there is a potential that there will be a lot of them, and Abramoff had very close ties to republican politicians; (and to some democrats) Tom Delay, Bob Ney, Bush appointees Karl Rove, Susan Ralston, and even some dealings involving Bush, himself. Republican activist Grover Norquist and christian coalition founder Ralph Reed teamed to collect and process money thrown off from Abramoff's lobbying for indian tribes, and a senate committee headed by John McCain has unearthed Abramoff ties to a former undersecretary in the dept. of Interior, the federal department that administers native American affairs. The white house chief procurement officer, James Savarin, was already indicted in the same investigation in september.

There is plenty of background from my research here:
http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/showpos...27&postcount=3

The most interesting thing is the story that Susan Ralston screened all of Karl Roves calls and pre-submitted all new callers to Grover Norquist. If Norquist approved, a caller was permitted to talk to Karl. Norquist is a republican operative who holds no elected office or political appointment. Susan Ralston, before coming to the white house in 2001, was a key assistant to Jank Abramoff.

Here is the Nov. 18, 2005 indictment:
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Scanlon Charged With Conspiracy to Defraud

By PETE YOST
The Associated Press
Friday, November 18, 2005; 4:20 PM

WASHINGTON -- In a widening scandal on Capitol Hill, the government charged a partner of lobbyist Jack Abramoff on Friday with defrauding Indian tribes of millions of dollars in a scheme that lavished golf trips, meals and campaign donations on a member of Congress.

Michael Scanlon, an ex-aide to former House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, is headed for federal court Monday on a conspiracy count contained in a criminal information, which typically is a prelude to a guilty plea and full cooperation with government investigators.

The eight-page information says Scanlon and a person identified only as "Lobbyist A" provided "a stream of things of value" to a member of Congress, identified only as "Representative No. 1," to aid their effort to pass legislation.

It has been a matter of public record for more than a year that Scanlon and Abramoff had a fee-splitting arrangement and represented several Indian tribes.

Among the people subpoenaed in the Scanlon and Abramoff investigation was Rep. Bob Ney, R-Ohio, whose name surfaced almost a year ago in a Senate Indian Affairs Committee investigation as having extensive dealings with the two lobbyists and their tribal clients.

Ney early this month started a legal defense fund. He has denied any wrongdoing and says he was duped into backing Abramoff's clients and into taking a golf trip paid for by Abramoff.

Court papers filed by prosecutors say that Scanlon and the lobbyist "sought and received Representative No. 1's agreement to perform a series of official acts."

The acts, said the court papers, included "agreements to support and pass legislation, agreements to place statements into the Congressional Record, meeting with Lobbyist A and Scanlon's clients, and advancing the application of Lobbyist A for a license to install wireless telephone infrastructure in the House of Representatives."

Justice Department spokesman Bryan Sierra confirmed that a hearing has been scheduled for Monday in Scanlon's case, but would provide no details.

Scanlon was once a top aide to DeLay, who stepped down from his leadership post after being charged with violating campaign finance law in Texas. DeLay has denied those charges.

The Senate Indian Affairs Committee is investigating Abramoff and Scanlon and the more than $80 million they were paid between 2001 and 2004 by six Indian tribes with casinos.

In another investigation, Abramoff has been indicted by a federal grand jury in Florida on charges of fraud and conspiracy stemming from his role in the 2000 purchase of a fleet of gambling boats. He has pleaded innocent.

Charges outlined in documents filed Friday allege that Lobbyist A solicited an Indian tribe in Mississippi in 1995 to provide lobbying services on taxes and other issues relating to tribal sovereignty.

The lobbyist then allegedly recommended that the tribe hire Scanlon's company, Capital Campaign Strategies, while concealing the fact the Lobbyist A would receive 50 percent of the profits from the tribe's payment to Scanlon.

The Mississippi tribe paid Scanlon's firm $14.8 million from June 2001 through April 2004, while Scanlon concealed from the tribe that 50 percent of the profit "was kicked back to Lobbyist A pursuant to their secret arrangement."

The court papers detailing the conspiracy charge say that Scanlon and Lobbyist A had identical kickback arrangements for tribes in Louisiana, Texas and Michigan.
By the way....Patrick Fitzgerald will present evidence in the CIA leak investigation to a second grand jury, it was learned today.....
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Fitzgerald to Give 2nd Grand Jury CIA Leak Evidence (Update1)

Nov. 18 (Bloomberg) -- U.S. Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald said he will present evidence to a second grand jury in his investigation into who leaked the identity of Central Intelligence Agency operative Valerie Plame.

The disclosure, contained in court papers and also announced at a court hearing today in Washington, suggests there may be new charges in the two-year probe............
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I think everyone is familiar with Abramoff's indictment in Florida regarding falsified financial transactions to buy a fleet of off-shore gambling ships. The original owner got a tad perturbed about it, but had the misfortune of being murdered. Abramoff's partner in the deal was "connected" and paid very generous wages to a couple of mafiosa types. Those good fellows have been charged with the murder.

Night time soaps don't get better than this. If you like your news in the form of parody and humor, read Dave Barry's novel, "Tricky Business," which is clearly about Abramhoff, et al.
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If you like your news in the form of parody and humor, read Dave Barry's novel, "Tricky Business," which is clearly about Abramhoff, et al.
Seriously? I'll have to reread it with that in mind. (I thought "Big Trouble" was better, but this one was still very good.)
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Seriously? I'll have to reread it with that in mind. (I thought "Big Trouble" was better, but this one was still very good.)
Yep, keep track of the similarities, even the small ones. The fast food franchise owner, gambling ships, mafia influence, etc. Barry has always had something to say about Miami crime.

I won't try to argue that "Big Trouble" wasn't a better book, but I don't think Abramoff is in that one. I admit that "Roger" the dog and his ongoing battle with Bufo marinus is worthy of it's own book.
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I was a bit flippant with Abramoff's indictment in Florida, but I am very serious about his alleged crimes involving the manipulation of campaign funds.

Abramhoff's interests in gaming continue to raise questions other than his Florida problem. His federal problems to date are primarily due to his Native American gaming interests, which have compromised many other Washington players.

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/111505G.shtml

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The Greening of Italia Federici
By Michael Scherer
Salon.com

Friday 18 November 2005

To buy influence at the White House, GOP operative Jack Abramoff gave $500,000 in tribal loot to a Gale Norton pal who heads an "environmental" nonprofit.

Italia Federici swears in before the Senate Indian Affairs Committee in Washington Thursday.

Italia Federici is a minor Republican player in Washington, the sort of dime-a-dozen functionary who can build a career trading favors in backrooms and producing political campaigns for moneyed interests. Her specialty is the environment. She leads a conservative front group called the Council of Republicans for Environmental Advocacy, or CREA, a tiny outfit, originally founded by Interior Secretary Gale Norton, that argues it is healthy for forests to clear-cut trees, good for the air to weaken air-quality controls, and "environmentally responsible" to drill for oil in the Alaskan wilderness.

For the past five years, Federici has limited her public activities to supporting President Bush's environmental plans. She claims that traditional environmentalists, groups like the Sierra Club and Democrats like Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., are dishonest and deceptive. But that is just the public face of Federici. In private, she has played a very different role in Washington, one that has now put her in the middle of one of the largest political ethics scandals in a decade.

On Thursday, she appeared before the Senate Indian Affairs Committee to explain under oath her relationship with Jack Abramoff, the disgraced Republican lobbyist whose exploits have already led to a handful of criminal indictments. For critics of Republican politics, the Abramoff investigations are a gift that keeps on giving. They reveal a world of ethical violations, illegal money transfers, perjury and graft that flowed between some of the biggest names in Republican politics. Already, Abramoff has been charged with fraud; a top White House official, David Safavian, has been charged with perjury; and another former White House official, Timothy Flanigan, has withdrawn from a Senate confirmation process.

[/b]Abramoff's dealings have thrown ethical clouds over a number of Republican heavyweights, including Rep. Tom DeLay, R-Texas., evangelical activist Ralph Reed, and anti-tax crusader Grover Norquist. And the investigation is far from over.[/b]

Under the direction of Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., the committee has uncovered evidence that suggests Federici entered into an unspoken deal with Abramoff, who is accused of stealing millions of dollars from his Native American clients. He funneled nearly $500,000 in donations from these clients to her environmental organization. In exchange, Federici became his advocate in the inner sanctum of the Bush administration, offering him access to at least two of her close friends, Norton and Deputy Secretary J. Steven Griles. "Ms. Federici would help get inside information about and possibly influence tribal issues within the Interior," explained Sen. McCain, at the start of the hearing.

For her part, Federici flatly denied all allegations that she had done anything untoward. "We provided excellent environmental advocacy consistent with our mission," she said of her work with CREA, which is registered as a nonprofit. "I get a lot of unsolicited e-mail, and I am helpful to all of my friends."

Sitting before the Senate panel, Federici had the bearing of a quiet, sympathetic elementary school teacher. She wore her blond hair loose over her shoulders, and spoke in soft tones. At one point she portrayed herself as an honest subordinate who had found herself working with unethical friends. "Jack was close to 50, a man and a high-dollar donor," she said of his blunt e-mails to her. "I did not feel comfortable correcting his vernacular." But she gave no ground to her inquisitors. She said, instead, that she believed the committee's staff had engaged in a smear campaign against her. She called McCain's investigation a "witch hunt," adding that she believed the senator might hold a grudge because she had opposed a bipartisan bill on air quality that McCain had sponsored.

McCain seemed to take pleasure in the suggestion that he was the one bending ethical rules. He focused instead on the evidence he had compiled. He described multiple e-mails in which Federici responded to Abramoff's requests for help lobbying Interior officials. In April of 2003, for example, Abramoff asked her to find out about a procedural change proposed by the department that had upset his clients. "Hi Jack: I will definitely see what I can find out," she wrote back, before immediately changing the topic. "I hate to bug you, but is there any news about a possible contribution...?"

"Any objective observer would see that there is a connection between contributions to your organization and the work that you would be doing on behalf of Mr. Abramoff," McCain said.

"I attached a second unrelated thought about an environmental project," Federici protested.

"Since your answers are so bizarre, I won't continue," said McCain a few minutes later. "I will let others make the judgment."

The e-mails released by the committee on Thursday certainly presented a damning case. At minimum, it appears Abramoff believed he was buying access to the Interior Department through Federici. He claimed to colleagues that Federici had "juice" at the agency. He claimed that CREA functioned as "Norton's main group outside the department." He offered Federici skybox seats at Redskins games and paid the bill for her meals and cocktail parties at his downtown restaurant, Signatures.

At the same time, Federici appeared to be catering to Abramoff's every wish. She arranged meetings, requested photo opportunities, delivered memos and newspaper articles to Interior officials. She even organized Georgetown dinner parties, under the cover of CREA, so Abramoff's clients could meet with Norton and Griles. "Thanks for all you do for my clients, the cause and me personally," Abramoff wrote her in a 2002 e-mail.

"When my friends reach out to me and ask me to help them with things, I never turn around and say why don't you just do it yourself," Federici said, adding that she paid for her own cell phone to facilitate this process. "I believed at the time that the reason Jack was giving us money is because he was a very generous Republican contributor," she said at another point in the hearing.

"That is unbelievable," said Sen. Byron Dorgan, D-N.D., who is co-chairman of the committee.

There was far less disagreement about what Federici had done with the tribal money she collected from Abramoff's clients. CREA spent it on initiatives that had nothing to do with the Native American tribes, but much to do with furthering President Bush's agenda. In April 2002, for example, CREA ran a $40,000 full-page ad in the Washington Post praising the environmental merits of the president's plan to drill in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge.

"We are also going to do something mean to Senator John Kerry," Federici wrote Abramoff, a few days before the ad ran. She then described a video CREA had packaged that showed Sen. Kerry leaving an Earth Day celebration and stepping into a gas-guzzling sports utility vehicle. She sent the video to at least two television programs on the Fox News Network, "The O'Reilly Factor" and "Hannity and Colmes." "I am letting EVERYONE know that you are the only reason we have the funding to do this," she gushed to Abramoff in the same e-mail.

At the same time, e-mails show that Abramoff and Federici plotted to use environmental causes to help Abramoff's gambling clients. In December 2002, Abramoff proposed to Federici that she encourage the Interior Department to "say that they are not satisfied with the Environmental Impact Report" of a proposed casino in Michigan that would compete with one of Abramoff's clients. "This is a direct assault on our guys," Abramoff wrote to Federici. Eight minutes later, she wrote back to say she would contact Griles. "I will call him asap," she said. The casino was eventually approved, after a protracted delay.

Sen. Dorgan compared Federici's story to a fairy tale. "You know what bothers me?" Dorgan asked at the end of the hearing. "It's pretty clear that this is one of the most disgusting tales of greed and avarice, and perhaps fraud and stealing. It's unbelievable what we have uncovered here. It's almost sickening to see what we have uncovered. And you come to our table and say, 'Oh, gosh, this is just about friendships.'

"Somehow none of this adds up," he continued. "This committee, in my judgment, has had people testify, and, in my judgment, some of the testimony was fraudulent. We need to find out who, because there are consequences to that."

Dorgan may well have his way. The Senate Finance Committee is beginning its own investigation into the use of nonprofits like CREA by lobbyists like Abramoff. The Justice Department is in the midst of a wide-ranging investigation of Abramoff's lobbying operation. Sen. McCain has suggested the Internal Revenue Service should mount its own investigation. And Dorgan said he will ask for another hearing of the Indian Affairs Committee.

No date has yet been set. But it is clear that Federici, a backroom player in big-money politics, will not have the last word.
In a continuation within the same link, is this LA Times opinion:

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Lobbyist Probe Sparks Senate Fireworks
By Mary Curtius
The Los Angeles Times

Friday 18 November 2005

Washington - The head of a Republican environmental group clashed repeatedly Thursday with senators who accused her of having tried to improperly influence federal officials to advance the interests of tribes represented by controversial lobbyist Jack Abramoff.

Italia Federici, president of the Council of Republicans for Environmental Advocacy, told a skeptical Senate Indian Affairs Committee that she believed Abramoff's tribal clients had donated $500,000 over three years to her organization because they were generous, not because they hoped she would help them thwart efforts by competing tribes to open casinos.

Federici has emerged as a key figure in the examination of the tactics Abramoff used to become one of Washington's best-connected lobbyists - tactics now under federal investigation.

Her testimony came as the committee is wrapping up a lengthy inquiry into Abramoff's collection of $82 million in fees from tribal clients. The investigation has raised questions about whether Abramoff defrauded the tribes and improperly used his relationships with lawmakers and administration officials to lobby on behalf of his clients.

Abramoff, indicted this year in an unrelated case, has repeatedly denied wrongdoing.

The scandal surrounding Abramoff has touched powerful lawmakers, including former House Majority Leader Tom DeLay (R-Texas), whose trip to a Scottish golfing resort in 2000 with the lobbyist has come under scrutiny. DeLay, who once described Abramoff as a close friend, has denied any wrongdoing and has asked the House Ethics Committee to investigate his travels.

Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), chairman of the Indian Affairs Committee, and Sen. Byron L. Dorgan (D-N.D.) pressed Federici to explain e-mails Abramoff sent to her in 2002, asking her to contact then-Deputy Secretary of the Interior J. Steven Griles. Abramoff wanted to enlist Griles in his effort to defeat applications from tribes seeking to open casinos that might hurt similar businesses run by Abramoff's tribal clients.

"Any objective observer would see that there is a clear connection between contributions to your organization and work that you would have been doing on behalf of Mr. Abramoff with the Department of the Interior," McCain told Federici.

She insisted there was no quid pro quo.

"I never asked Steve to put the kibosh on anything," she said. "I was responding to Jack - at the time, he was a friend - in a way that I would respond to any friend who had a need or a question."

Abramoff, in an e-mail exchange, portrayed a very different relationship. "Unfortunately, she is critical to me," he responded in March 2003 to an associate who had asked, "Do we owe them or something?" The associate had posed the question because, he said, Federici expected Abramoff to pay for a reception her group was holding at a Washington restaurant the lobbyist owned.

Federici, in her testimony, said she had had "political" conversations with Griles and other Interior Department officials, passing on warnings to them from Abramoff that the casino permits they were considering were opposed by leading conservative activists and lawmakers. She said she had not known that Abramoff was funding the anti-casino campaign of conservative activist Ralph Reed and others.
That is just another problem that Abramhoff is facing, along with those that were willing players.
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Scanlon Charged With Conspiracy to Defraud
In addition to the information in the link Host posted above, Scanlon and Ney have also been implicated in Abramhoff's SunCruz purchase.

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald...printstory.jsp

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Posted on Sun, Sep. 25, 2005

CASINO CRUISE INQUIRY
Politician in SunCruz's hot water

The role of an obscure Ohio congressman during negotiations in the sale of Fort Lauderdale-based SunCruz Casinos in 2000 has drawn the attention of federal investigators.

BY JAY WEAVER
jweaver@herald.com

Federal authorities want to know whether an obscure Ohio congressman improperly influenced negotiations in the $147 million SunCruz Casinos deal five years ago as a favor to a politically connected lobbyist and his business partner, according to sources familiar with the investigation.

Rep. Bob Ney, a Republican better known for touting coal shippers in his district, thrust himself into the sensitive sale in March 2000 when he publicly trashed Fort Lauderdale-based SunCruz owner Gus Boulis in Congress.


Sources say investigators want to know whether Ney deliberately sought to handicap Boulis by highlighting his troubles with Florida authorities at a time when the magnate -- pressured by federal prosecutors -- was desperately trying to sell his gambling ships to Washington lobbyist Jack Abramoff and New York businessman Adam Kidan.

In South Florida, Abramoff and Kidan were each charged last month with defrauding lenders of $60 million to purchase SunCruz, which quickly sank into bankruptcy under their ownership.

A spokesman for Ney denied any wrongdoing.

Ney inserted comments into the Congressional Record that condemned Boulis as a ''bad apple'' in the gaming industry -- six months before the sale of his Las Vegas-style gaming vessels in September 2000. One month after the deal closed, Ney inserted more comments into the record that praised Kidan's ``renowned reputation for honesty and integrity.''

He did so at the request of Michael Scanlon, a former communications director to Tom DeLay, a powerful Republican lawmaker from Texas. Scanlon went on to work as a lobbyist with Abramoff and then as a public relations consultant for SunCruz after the sale.

In the midst of the SunCruz negotiations, Ney received thousands of dollars in campaign contributions from Kidan, Abramoff, Abramoff's wife and Scanlon.

Federal prosecutors, along with FBI agents, are trying to determine whether Ney, a 10-year veteran of Congress whose district includes the upper Ohio River, received any other financial benefits in addition to campaign contributions.

According to federal court records, Kidan diverted $310,000 from SunCruz to pay for a luxury sports sky box in the Washington-Baltimore area -- part of Abramoff's GOP fundraising enterprise where he entertained politicians and donors at FedEx Field, MCI Center and Camden Yards.

Abramoff and Scanlon are already targets of a Justice Department investigation into their representation of six Indian tribes that own casinos across the country. They raked in $66 million in lobbying fees from the tribes, who foot most of the bills for the sports sky boxes and possibly other political expenses.

Ney's spokesman said that authorities had not contacted his boss about the SunCruz criminal case or any other Justice Department probe.

''Had he known everything about the background of that individual [Kidan], he wouldn't have done it,'' said Ney's spokesman, Brian Walsh, adding the congressman's campaign committee returned Kidan's $2,000 donations. It's not unusual for U.S. representatives to insert remarks into the Congressional Record, but it's typically done for constituents in their district. What Ney did is uncommon, said Larry Noble, executive director of Center for Responsive Politics, a Washington-based nonpartisan group that tracks money and politics.

''It appears this was not an innocent praising of a constituent,'' Noble said. ``He looks like he's leveraging a business deal. That in and of itself would be problematic. What makes it even more troublesome for Ney is that [Kidan and Abramoff] ran the business into the ground.

''It all gets entangled in this web [amid] a strong sense of scandal,'' he said. ``Ney has to expect to be asked about why he did this.''

The SunCruz case is a political story of strange bedfellows, even by Miami and Washington standards.

`CRUISES TO NOWHERE'

Konstantinos ''Gus'' Boulis, a Greek immigrant who made his first fortune as founder of the Miami Subs chain, ventured into the gambling ''cruises to nowhere'' industry in the 1990s. The SunCruz fleet of 11 ships had 2,300 slot machines and 175 gaming tables and sailed from nine Florida ports and Myrtle Beach, S.C., to international waters.

But Boulis was forced to sell SunCruz in 1999 after federal prosecutors reached a settlement with him on civil charges of violating the Shipping Act because he purchased his fleet before he became a U.S. citizen. Prosecutors kept the settlement a secret so that Boulis could attempt to sell his business at market value.

It didn't remain a secret for very long.

Facing a 36-month deadline, Boulis turned to his maritime lawyer in Washington, Art Dimopoulos, a partner with Abramoff, who led the governmental affairs division at the law firm Preston Gates Ellis. The power broker found Kidan, a businessman whom he got to know as young Republican activists in the 1980s.

Kidan had just sold his Dial-a-Mattress franchise in Washington and was looking to invest an ''eight-figure'' payoff, according to Abramoff. The pair began negotiations with Boulis in January 2000 -- then got a critical assist from Scanlon. He left DeLay's staff that month to work as a public relations consultant and lobbyist for gaming industry clients, among others.

Scanlon asked Ney's office to insert critical comments into the Congressional Record about the SunCruz owner and Ney obliged because of his close relationship with DeLay, according to Ney's spokesman, Walsh.

''He [Ney] didn't have any interaction with Abramoff or Kidan'' regarding the request, Walsh said.

Scanlon, who worked with Abramoff and later as a spokesman for SunCruz, could not be reached for comment.

After Scanlon made his request to Ney's office, the Ohio congressman said he was ''an ardent foe of illegal activity in the gaming industry'' and ``an ardent supporter of consumer rights.''

''I believe that the vast majority of casino owners play by the rules, treat their patrons fairly and provide quality entertainment for individuals and families,'' Ney said in the Congressional Record in March 2000. ``However, there are a few bad apples out there who don't play by the rules and that is just plain wrong. One such example is the case of SunCruz Casinos, based out of Florida.''

He pointed out that then-Attorney General Bob Butterworth reprimanded the company and Boulis for taking illegal bets and not properly paying winnings to their customers.

Three months later, according to court records, Boulis reached a tentative agreement to sell SunCruz to Kidan and Abramoff.

By the end of June 2000, Abramoff, Abramoff's wife, Kidan and Scanlon each gave $1,000 to Ney's political campaign.

One month after the SunCruz sale closed that September, Ney inserted more remarks in the Congressional Record -- this time about Kidan.

''I have come to learn that SunCruz Casinos now finds itself under new ownership and, more importantly, that its new owner has a renowned reputation for honesty and integrity,'' Ney said.

A BAD PREDICTION

Ney predicted that Kidan ``will easily transform SunCruz from a questionable enterprise to an upstanding establishment that the gaming community can be proud of.''

Kidan, Abramoff and their partners ran the business into the ground. The Dania Beach-based company filed for bankruptcy under Chapter 11 on June 22, 2001 -- just nine months after the sale and four months after Boulis himself was gunned down in a still-unsolved, execution-style murder.

Court records show that Kidan paid himself $500,000 as SunCruz's president and spent ''hundreds of thousands of dollars'' on company costs that ''produced questionable or marginal benefits.'' Among them: the sports skybox rental, Kidan's lease of an armored Mercedes-Benz for $207,545.30 and full-time bodyguards.
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There already is such a thread which Host posted extensively in.

http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/showthread.php?t=96966

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