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Tashah · 11-13-2005, 01:17 AM

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Jordan Attacks Claim 17 From One Family
By Mohammed Ballas - Associated Press
Nov 10, 2005

SILET AL-THAHER, West Bank - In this Palestinian village, the Akhras clan mourned 17 relatives killed by a suicide bomber in Jordan — the first time Palestinians have been a target in a suicide attack.
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Now for the underlying irony...

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Female suicide bomber kills 2 at capital supermarket
By Etgar Lefkovits - Jerusalem Post
Mar 31, 2002 (page 3 - JP Archives)

An 18 year-old female Palestinian suicide bomber wearing a belt of explosives around her waist, walked into a supermarket in Jerusalem's Kiryat Hayovel neighborhood Friday afternoon and blew herself up, killing two Israelis and wounding 28 others. The Palestinian female was identified as Ayat Akhras of the West Bank town of Silet al-Thaher.
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dlish · 11-13-2005, 01:53 AM

so you think that theres a correlation between the two? or just a coincidence?

a little ironic if there is blood/kin relations between the two incidents, but whos to know that the surname isnt a popular 'smith or brown' surname.

Tashah · 11-13-2005, 02:36 AM

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Originally Posted by dlishsguy

so you think that theres a correlation between the two? or just a coincidence?

a little ironic if there is blood/kin relations between the two incidents, but whos to know that the surname isnt a popular 'smith or brown' surname.

It could be a coincidence, but the odds against Ayat Akhras of Silet al-Thaher hailing from a different Akhras clan from the same village are huge. To my knowledge, the Akhras name is not comparable to a 'smith or jones'.

My sincere sympathy to the families of all those who perished in the Amman attacks. There is an outcry now in the Palestinian media that suicide-bombings are terrible deeds and Palestinian militants must cease using this horrible tactic against Israeli civilians. I pray this comes to be.

tecoyah · 11-13-2005, 04:57 AM

At times I have worried for you Tashah....and what you go through living within this.We Americans get all paranoid about terrorist activity, while you get to deal with it every day.....its just Gotta suck. It will be nice to have your perspective here in TFPolitics....first hand and all.

Thanx

Xazy · 11-13-2005, 05:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Tashah

It could be a coincidence, but the odds against Ayat Akhras of Silet al-Thaher hailing from a different Akhras clan from the same village are huge. To my knowledge, the Akhras name is not comparable to a 'smith or jones'.

My sincere sympathy to the families of all those who perished in the Amman attacks. There is an outcry now in the Palestinian media that suicide-bombings are terrible deeds and Palestinian militants must cease using this horrible tactic against Israeli civilians. I pray this comes to be.

First off I wish no one harm, and I feel sorry for all the innocents. I do feel that somehow a taste of your own medicine hopefully will change things for the future. Considering that the NY Times had an article yesterday saying how people in Jordan are blaming Israel for the attack, and the rumors are not being squashed, and the hatred is being bred more and more, I highly doubt it.

Tashah · 11-13-2005, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by tecoyah

At times I have worried for you Tashah....and what you go through living within this. We Americans get all paranoid about terrorist activity, while you get to deal with it every day.....its just Gotta suck. It will be nice to have your perspective here in TFPolitics....first hand and all. Thanx

ThankQ kindly for your comments and concern. With terrorism, one must mentally adopt an attitude of practicality... life must go on. When all is said and done, I have come to the conclusion that death would be preferable to living in a state of unceasing paranoia. I trust you understand that sentiment. {huggs}

I do look forward to participating in the TFP community, as the rewards of sharing are legion and highly-treasured.

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Originally Posted by Xazy

First off I wish no one harm, and I feel sorry for all the innocents. I do feel that somehow a taste of your own medicine hopefully will change things for the future. Considering that the NY Times had an article yesterday saying how people in Jordan are blaming Israel for the attack, and the rumors are not being squashed, and the hatred is being bred more and more, I highly doubt it.

The Jordanian government has established that the four suicide-bombers were all Iraqi. Three perished in the attacks, and the fourth has been captured and arrested. Her name is Sajida Mubarek Atrous al-Rishawi (clearly not Israeli/Hebrew/Jewish) and she is the wife of one of the attackers. Today the 35 year old Iraqi woman confessed her role in the bombings on Jordanian State Television. It is perhaps becoming ever more apparant to most people in the ME that suicide-bombing is barbaric and indiscriminate.

Iraqi Woman Confesses on Jordan TV

Xazy · 11-13-2005, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by tecoyah
At times I have worried for you Tashah....and what you go through living within this. We Americans get all paranoid about terrorist activity, while you get to deal with it every day.....its just Gotta suck. It will be nice to have your perspective here in TFPolitics....first hand and all. Thanx

ThankQ kindly for your comments and concern. With terrorism, one must mentally adopt an attitude of practicality... life must go on. When all is said and done, I have come to the conclusion that death would be preferable to living in a state of unceasing paranoia. I trust you understand that sentiment. {huggs}

I do look forward to participating in the TFP community, as the rewards of sharing are legion and highly-treasured.

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Originally Posted by Xazy
First off I wish no one harm, and I feel sorry for all the innocents. I do feel that somehow a taste of your own medicine hopefully will change things for the future. Considering that the NY Times had an article yesterday saying how people in Jordan are blaming Israel for the attack, and the rumors are not being squashed, and the hatred is being bred more and more, I highly doubt it.

The Jordanian government has established that the four suicide-bombers were all Iraqi. Three perished in the attacks, and the fourth has been captured and arrested. Her name is Sajida Mubarek Atrous al-Rishawi (clearly not Israeli/Hebrew/Jewish) and she is the wife of one of the attackers. Today the 35 year old Iraqi woman confessed her role in the bombings on Jordanian State Television. It is perhaps becoming ever more apparant to most people in the ME that suicide-bombing is barbaric and indiscriminate.

I was referring to several articles that I had read, including primarily one from the New York Times.

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http://www.nytimes.com/2005/11/12/in...gewanted=print
Many in Jordan See Old Enemy in Attack: Israel
By MICHAEL SLACKMAN

ZARQA, Jordan, Nov. 11 - The Maktoum Mosque was crowded with worshipers for Friday Prayer as the imam sharply criticized the suicide attacks on three hotels in Amman, saying those who committed the crimes were not Muslims, no matter what they called themselves.

Afterward, on the street, people agreed that whoever committed such an act could not be a Muslim. But many meant this literally, that the attack must have been carried out by outsiders, namely Israeli agents.

"Who said it is them?" asked Ahmed al-Zawahrah, referring to claims that members of a radical Islamic group were behind the blasts. "It could be Israel."

Zarqa is the birthplace of Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, the leader of Al Qaeda in Mesopotamia. His relatives and neighbors prayed in the mosque, so one could imagine that it might be especially hard for them to accept that Mr. Zarqawi had taken responsibility for killing so many civilians. But the sentiment heard here is echoed across this country and region.

While most Arabs have long viewed Israel as their enemy, the extent to which Israel weighs on the regional psyche and diverts attention away from social, political, religious and economic issues that cannot be ignored, many social and political analysts say. Blaming Israel is not just a knee jerk, they say; for many Arabs, it is their reality.

"People don't blame Israel out of a vacuum," said Rami Khoury, a Jordanian political commentator and writer based in Lebanon. "There is a very strong historical reason, because Israel has caused a lot of grief for Arab people one way or another."

But he added, "The consequence is that this became an easy way not to deal with our problems that are based in our own society."

The suspicion of some here over the hotel killings mirrors the unfounded rumor that thousands of Jews did not show up for work at the World Trade Center on Sept. 11, 2001, because Israel was behind those attacks.

In Egypt, Israel was also widely blamed for the bombing attacks in Taba and Sharm el Sheik over the last year, and for the recent sectarian violence between Coptic Christians and Muslims in Alexandria. In Syria, officials at the highest levels of the government have blamed Israel for killing Rafik Hariri, the former Lebanese prime minister.

While it appears that most Jordanians have accepted that Mr. Zarqawi was involved - with many saying they are sickened by his actions - there is little criticism for those who scapegoat Israel. A former prime minister, Tahir Masri, who said it was clear that Israel was not involved in this attack, said he understood why so many people blame Israel.

"You have to understand, Baghdad was the capital for Arabs and Muslims for 1,000 years," Mr. Masri said. "It is occupied by Americans now. Jerusalem and Baghdad are both occupied. It is too much for ordinary people to bear. If you add to it the misery that people are facing because of the lack of democracy and humiliation by their rulers, that kind of scapegoat we have to have."

Whether it is the Sharm el Sheik bombings or the assassination of Mr. Hariri, the theory is almost always premised on two ideas. The first is a logic that says those who benefit must be behind the deed.

When Muslim residents of Alexandria in Egypt tried to attack a Coptic church last month after word spread that a play held in the church two years earlier denigrated Islam - and that the play was being distributed on videodisc - one local member of Parliament charged publicly that Israel was behind the strife.

"Israel is the only country in the region that does not want Egypt to be stable," said Muhammad al-Badrasheni, the member of Parliament. "It wants to cause sectarian strife that would result in international intervention like what is happening in Iraq now."

The second factor routinely pointed to as proof of Israel's involvement is the idea that Egyptians, Syrians or other Arabs are not clever enough to have carried out such an effective attack.

Gen. Fouad Allam, former director of state security in Egypt, said, for example, that the attack on a Hilton Hotel in Taba last year - in which mostly Israelis were killed - had to be the work of the Israeli secret service, the Mossad. "It was very well planned, studied, professional, and with a very high capacity," he said. "We never had this kind of capacity over the past 50 years."

One government official in Egypt, citing multiple military defeats, spoke of a deep-seated feeling of inferiority, even a kind of mental illness. The official also blamed Arab leaders who have deflected criticism of domestic issues by focusing public anger on Israel.

Whatever the cause, the result is the same: "In the first place, people don't even recognize the reality around them," said Muhammad el-Sayed Said, a political analyst at the government-financed Ahram Center for Political and Strategic Studies in Egypt. "Secondly, they continue to overlook and ignore the problem without supporting a consistent anti-terrorism campaign, which the government might be seeking."

Dawoud al-Shoryan, a prominent writer and journalist from Saudi Arabia, says he is not convinced that those who blame Israel really believe it. But, he added, many people are deeply angry at United States policy in the region, including its occupation of Iraq, and blaming Israel is a way of conferring some degree of legitimacy on a crime that would be considered unspeakable if committed by a Muslim.

"They try to hide the hideous face of terrorism by hanging it on the United States and Israel," he said. "Shifting the accusation is nothing but a subconscious attempt to justify the act."

Mona el Naggar contributed reporting for this article.

11-13-2005, 01:17 AM	#1 (permalink)
Tashah Upright Location: USA/Israel	An Ironic Twist -------------------- [snip] Jordan Attacks Claim 17 From One Family By Mohammed Ballas - Associated Press Nov 10, 2005 SILET AL-THAHER, West Bank - In this Palestinian village, the Akhras clan mourned 17 relatives killed by a suicide bomber in Jordan — the first time Palestinians have been a target in a suicide attack. [/snip] -------------------- Now for the underlying irony... -------------------- [snip] Female suicide bomber kills 2 at capital supermarket By Etgar Lefkovits - Jerusalem Post Mar 31, 2002 (page 3 - JP Archives) An 18 year-old female Palestinian suicide bomber wearing a belt of explosives around her waist, walked into a supermarket in Jerusalem's Kiryat Hayovel neighborhood Friday afternoon and blew herself up, killing two Israelis and wounding 28 others. The Palestinian female was identified as Ayat Akhras of the West Bank town of Silet al-Thaher. [/snip] -------------------- __________________ ~ always dance as if no one is watching ~ my web profile page

11-13-2005, 01:53 AM	#2 (permalink)
dlish Currently sour but formerly Dlishs Super Moderator Location: Australia/UAE	so you think that theres a correlation between the two? or just a coincidence? a little ironic if there is blood/kin relations between the two incidents, but whos to know that the surname isnt a popular 'smith or brown' surname. __________________ An injustice anywhere, is an injustice everywhere I always sign my facebook comments with ()()===========(}. Does that make me gay? - Filthy

11-13-2005, 04:57 AM	#4 (permalink)
tecoyah Illusionary	At times I have worried for you Tashah....and what you go through living within this.We Americans get all paranoid about terrorist activity, while you get to deal with it every day.....its just Gotta suck. It will be nice to have your perspective here in TFPolitics....first hand and all. Thanx __________________ Holding onto anger is like grasping a hot coal with the intent of throwing it at someone else; you are the one who gets burned. - Buddha