12-14-2005, 01:50 PM | #121 (permalink) | |
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12-17-2005, 04:34 PM | #123 (permalink) | |
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Sheesh. Abramoff corrupted journalists in his schemes, as well. And it seems some politicians are returning his money.
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12-21-2005, 07:28 PM | #124 (permalink) | |
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Host predicted the outcome, and Abramoff's pending plea deal is in the works. More heads will fall, regardless of party.
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http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/search....7&pp=40&page=2 I started a thread with a more appropriate title to post my Abramoff related Indictments "fuckpoints" in. It was located at this link: http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/showthread.php?t=97643 I was advised to post here, instead........ In the second report here, (posted below....) hours ago by the AP, it sez: Quote:
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<b>Michael Scanlon has agreed to testify for prosecutors in exchange for a maximum 60 month prison sentence and a $250,000 fine. Scanlon was formerly Tom Delay's press secretary.</b> The Washington Post has graduated to openly reporting circumstances that will bring down Tom Delay and possibly some folks in the white house, too, along with possibly 19 other elected republicans in congress, <b>if Jack Abramoff does cooperate with prosecutors as a result of his reported plea deal.</b> We aren't done yet.....read on! |
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12-31-2005, 02:52 AM | #126 (permalink) | |
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Remember the guilty plea last month from former congressman Randy "Duke" Cunningham (R-CA), who admitted to accepting $2.4 million in bribes in exchange for his political influence in defense dept. procurement of defense contracts?
One of the two defense contractors who bribed Cunningham, Brett Wilkes, paid Ed Buckman and his "Alexander Group", mentioned in our large article in the preceding post, a lot of money...... Quote:
http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/showpos...0&postcount=36 I had spent several hours researching (half a night....) and then posting about Wilke's ties to high government officials, in the post linked above. If you have gotten this far and are curious as to why the posted research related to Wilkes was deleted, especially since it was related to Elphaba's report about CIFA and the contracts that Randy Cunningham's congressional committee had awarded to the other defense contractor who had bribed Cunningham....Mitchell Wade, explore the post linked above and make your own inquiry as to where the rest of the material went. I know that the Abramoff/Delay/Bush admin./Cunningham investigation is complicated. It will be with us for some time into the future. Become familiar with it. I am weary....both from my efforts to present it in one place on this forum, which was thwarted, and then in several places, where the reaction was to delete a large chunk of material that I had posted. Last edited by host; 12-31-2005 at 02:54 AM.. |
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12-31-2005, 07:00 AM | #127 (permalink) | |
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12-31-2005, 01:31 PM | #128 (permalink) |
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I'm weary too...let's sum this up and get Host off the Martyr Express.
This may be radical, but it appears that the system is going to work. Yay for the US Justice System! If Abrahamson cuts a deal and provides evidence that leads to corrupt officials being sacked and prosecuted - good! I don't care if they are Republican, Democrat, conservative or liberal...hell, I don't care if the Pope himself gets bagged. Whoever they are, they will have deserved it! |
01-06-2006, 07:30 PM | #129 (permalink) | |
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I was appalled when Host's Abramoff thread was tacked onto Pan's Bush Cronyism topic, but it appears to have been prescient.
Scott McClellan has been asserting that Bush never met Abramson, a "Pioneer" in campaign fund raising. Given his strong support by Norquist and Delay, I find that very hard to believe and have been searching for images (nada) or articles that say otherwise. I stumbled upon this one today. (See the link for the documents posted) Link Quote:
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I was so happy, I skimmed one of Host's posts. It's "marvelous" in that he says he stayed up half the night researching this affair, but unless I missed something, he didn't happen to see any Democrats involved. So I took it upon myself to post this: Link Quote:
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01-07-2006, 09:48 AM | #131 (permalink) |
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Marv no one is denying that some democrats have recieved money also but the truth is there are far fewer democrats than republicans who recieved money. Also the passages you highlighted draw away from the fact that many republicans are not returning all of the money for the exact same reasons, for instance Bush....
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01-07-2006, 10:10 AM | #132 (permalink) |
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Plus it's rather ironic that the republicans, who have made a campaign out of being the party of "higher" "moral" "values" are so heavilly caught up in this.
Democrats who are involved in this should be ousted and jailed too. Admittedly if we were to do that with everyone who's likely involved, the congressional custodian would probably have to be drafted to be the tie breaker between the 2 politicians left in office, but if we need to clean house, then we should clean house, without worrying about the party of the people we're going after. |
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01-10-2006, 07:36 PM | #134 (permalink) | |
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Which, of course, was the point of MY post. <marquee><img src=http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y254/MikeFer/oops.gif></img></marquee> Sorry you missed that.
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01-10-2006, 08:20 PM | #135 (permalink) |
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Ayup...Damned, if he kept the posts short (with a full link) and damned if he posted the full article. All I saw was that you yellow highlighted two paragraphs of a fully posted article by Host. Your original comment was about missing the involvement of democrats, but your point seems to have morphed into something else. What exactly did I miss?
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02-13-2006, 02:21 PM | #136 (permalink) |
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ok, here's the bush - abramoff picture
i laughed when i saw this. you really can't see either man in the shot. there may or may not be anything of substance between these two men, but for now we have a funny picture that proves a blurred abramoff and the back of bush's head occupied the same room. i guess i should link to the story http://www.time.com/time/nation/arti...158908,00.html |
02-13-2006, 04:21 PM | #137 (permalink) |
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Abramoff claims that he has been with Bush on nearly a dozen occasions, with formal pictures taken. Time magazine reports to have seen four (iirc) pictures of Bush and Abramoff. Why this picture is published as anything meaningful is beyond me.
What I find really odd is that all Bush had to say is ... "oh, yeah... I think I remember him; one of those Pioneer guys, right?" ... and no one would be searching for "proof" that he knows Abramoff.
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02-14-2006, 03:22 AM | #138 (permalink) | |
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so that it includes the facts about Susan Ralston's background and recent raise in salary and promotion to "special assistant to the" POTUS. I got no response, and no correction has been made. Today, the LIBER-ULL press is stumbling over itself to get out the "facts" about the Abramoff/Ralston?Rove connection, but still the "press" refuses to report the information contained below, even though it is previously reported fact that Ralston has been promoted from Rove's assistant to Bush's special assistant, and that she <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/custom/2005/06/06/CU2005060601310.html">sits</a> just four office doors from the oval office: 117 listings http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ne...moff&scoring=d for the same "news report" that omits the information contained below: As far as pictures, this may be as good as it gets..... Either the thugs underestimate the damage that this association has the potential of causing if it is broadcast properly, or....they are confident that this investigation and resulting prosecutions can be contained via the interim appointment of their own "hack", Alice Fisher as head of DOJ's criminal division, stacking the SCOTUS with Roberts and Alito, and of course, the "pardon card"! We must continue to publicize the following "info" thoroughly..... tirelessly....constantly... (If this was not an area of concern for this Junta, why would they trot out <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/12/28/AR2005122801588_pf.html">"steno Sue" Schmidt from WaPo</a>, on Dec. 28, to "muddy" the facts as to how Ralston came to work for Bush and Rove, shortly after they took office in 2001. These thugs are alarmed enough to spread the "story", that the so far unindicted Ralph Reed was responsible for Ralston's hiring, and not Jack Abramoff, himself.) This BS comes from the office of the POTUS, the most powerful politician in the world, but nonetheless, a petty, desparate, cornered rat, still deluded by ego and ambition. <b>"'Upset' Ralston says she's not going anywhere Rita M. Gerona-Adkins, Dec 21, 2005 WASHINGTON, D.C. --- Susan B. Ralston has determined to clear the air once and for all after speculations about her job at the White House have been published, including in the <a href="http://www.philippinenews.com/news/view_article.html?article_id=443b32a25f85eed21d2cd07e9b945192">Philippine News.</a> “I am focused on my job serving the President in my current capacity,” she said in a telephone call from her office at the White House on December 12 to this correspondent....."</b> <center><center><img src="http://thinkprogress.org/wp-images/upload/thumb-ralston.jpg"> <a href="http://www.thinkprogress.org/leak-scandal#ralston">RALSTON IS ROVE’S RIGHT-HAND</a> From Newsweek, May, 2005: <i>...."But the lobbyist’s ties to the White House extended well beyond money. <a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7577133/site/newsweek/?page=2&#note">When top Bush adviser Karl Rove was looking for an assistant in early 2001, Abramoff suggested his own top aide, Susan Ralston.</a> She remains one of Rove’s top deputies. At the same time, Bush tapped Abramoff as member of his Presidential Transition Team, advising the administration on policy and hiring at the Interior Department, which oversees Native American issues. That level of close access to Bush, DeLay and other GOP leaders has been cited by many of the Indian tribes who hired Abramoff with hopes of gaining greater influence with the administration and Congress on gaming issues. Whether the tribes got their money’s worth is a question still being investigated by Congress, but there’s no question some doors were opened. In 2001, Bush met personally with a group of Indian leaders—including at least one tribe represented by Abramoff—to talk about his tax cut plan. The meeting was reportedly arranged by Grover Norquist, a prominent GOP activist with close ties to the administration and Abramoff. While many GOP lawmakers have sought to distance themselves from Abramoff, the White House has remained largely quiet on Bush’s ties to the controversial lobbyist. <b>Last fall, when Congress opened hearings into Abramoff’s lobbying and fund-raising, the Bush-Cheney campaign pointedly refused to return a $2,000 contribution check from the lobbyist and said there was no reason to question any other checks Abramoff brought in as a top fund-raiser for the campaign.</b> Editor's Note: On April 21, a White House spokesman told NEWSWEEK that Abramoff had played no role in Rove's hiring of Ralston."</i> <i>"It's also interesting <a href="http://www.mydd.com/story/2005/8/3/141256/2833">to note</a> that one of Ralston's <a href="http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=50318">primary functions in Rove's office</a> is to "take messages for Rove at the White House, then call [Grover] Norquist to tell her whether she should put the caller through." Now, this is undoubtedly just the case for lobbyists. There's no way in the world that Karl Rove is having calls from journalists screened by Grover Norquist. I know this crowd is corrupt, but that would just be plain stupid. However, it makes you wonder how many calls to Rove go unrecorded in the logs. If Rove is denying the existence of other phone calls with journalists and citing his phone logs as evidence, Fitzgerald may have caught Rove in a bit of a pickle. Even if this isn't the case, <b>Ralston is the one person with intimate knowledge of what calls come into and go out of Rove's office.</b> I can see where this would make her very valuable to the grand jury, despite the insistence of at least one Rove loyalist, who said her questioning was simply a matter of "wrapping up the loose ends.""</i> Susan Ralston "coverage" at <a href="http://www.google.com/custom?domains=philippinenews.com&q=susan+ralston&sa=Search&sitesearch=philippinenews.com&client=pub-4889336541841884&forid=1&ie=ISO-8859-1&oe=ISO-8859-1&cof=GALT%3A%23008000%3BGL%3A1%3BDIV%3A%23336699%3BVLC%3A663399%3BAH%3Acenter%3BBGC%3AFFFFFF%3BLBGC%3A336699%3BALC%3A0000FF%3BLC%3A0000FF%3BT%3A000000%3BGFNT%3A0000FF%3BGIMP%3A0000FF%3BFORID%3A1%3B&hl=en">philippinenews.com</a> Susan Ralston's <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/custom/2005/06/06/CU2005060601310.html">"neighborhood"</a> Susan's office is "no. 9" on the WaPo west wing map, published in May, 2005, just 4 doors down from the chimperor... <b>As an aside.....</b> Ralston worked for Jack Abramoff at Preston Gates, and she followed him to Greenberg Traurig. What level of security clearance does she enjoy? What are the odds that she has tipped Abramoff off regarding information that the white house certainly has obtained in it's efforts to stay up to date on the details of DOJ's Alice Fisher's "prosecution" of Abramoff? In a prosecution of Abramoff that actually is "no holds barred", managed by a non-partisan prosecution with unquestioned integrity, wouldn't it be odd to find someone like Ralston, former key aid to Abramoff, documented in publicly available emails to have "controlled" the distribution of "bribes" to legislators, as the indictment of Abramoff describes free meals and other "considerations" (premium tickets to DC area sporting events) to clearly be categorizes as.... working in close proximity to the chief law enforcement officer, of the applicable jurisdiction, in this case the office of the POTUS? Shouldn't Ralston be deemed a material witness at the least, or a person under investigation? Wouldn't a truly uncomprimised prosectution team be pressuring Ralston to "roll over" on Abramoff, to provide confirmation that he has provided reliable and detailed information regarding the "perks" (bribes) that he bestowed on legislators? Ralston still working in the white house, with a $25,000 raise and a promotion, does not pass the "smell test" at this stage in this scandal. The opposition must pressure the DOJ and the executive branch about these inconsistancies. <h4>Wouldn't a U.S. press with a "liberal bias" be making an effort to refute Bush's denials about his ties to Abramoff, by enthusiastically reporting the background, salary raise, and job promotion of Susan Ralston?</h4> |
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It has been more than a year since first I wrote about this obvious conflict of interests and symbol of white house corruption and cronyism, seated just a few doors down from the POTUS. Now, she is gone....the most recent, after the arrest, last year, of former Abramoff associate and white house chief procurement officer, Safavian, who was convicted of accepting "favors" from Abramoff....
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I'll keep this one short....isn't it "odd" that these folks still control the executive branch of the US government? Will the democratic majority in congress reveal enough damning evidence to end up with no choice but to hold impeachment hearings and refer criminal charges? I didn't "create" the details in this thread. I simply posted them. A number of the articles now do not exist at the links where they were published. The mods, in the past, have closed a number of threads that dealt with tangents of this topic. They were created because they were relevant on their own, and there was too much specific information to "lump" the details solely into this more general thread.
Instead of threads like this being the searchable archive that they were intended to be, this site was "improved", last year, to the extent that older threads contents do not show up in search results. Thank you to all who have posted encouraging words, your appreciation has helped to offset the roadblocks thrown up by those who I would not have predicted would opt to do so. I think that this thread is an example of the depth of this forum that seems at odds with what the intent is for this forum to be. The depth, IMO, is what sets it apart....makes it an historical record, rather than just another discussion board. I've been surprised that there is so much resistance to the idea that this forum can be both. I am also surprised at the continued indifference, complacency, and the defense of what seems indefensible, in reaction to what has gone on in the Bush administration....maybe it's just a matter of bringing more facts to people's attention..... Quote:
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.....Thought we were "at war"....so much for secure communications at the highest levels of our government.....
This relates directly to the information in the preceding post....anyone take exception to the accusation that these "folks" conduct the "peoples' business", as thugs running a continuing criminal enterprise....R-I-C-O....might conduct it... anyone ??? The similarities seem uncanny..... Quote:
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04-13-2007, 10:10 PM | #143 (permalink) |
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This will be quick...The Dems have been encouraging a little too much change in the political system over the last 50 years and sadly enough the System has proceeded down the wrong path and both main parties are so corrupt it isn't funny. But being an original Constitution respecting, freedom loving conservative, I will vote for whatever party will be the last one to put anymore major restrictions on our firearms rights. And i say this because when you come down to protecting freedom, speech can be silenced, misrepresented, and terribly distorted by almost anyone with enough money anymore. And although freedom of speech is one of the most important, ultimately protecting freedom takes weapons as well. Just a thought...
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i post this while trying really hard to not say anything sarcastic in response to no. 143....the unfolding scandal at the world bank involving yet another bushcrony is clearly the fault of the democrats...such idiotic conclusions would folow from it. but for this, there is no-one and nothing to blame but the right for this latest example of the kind of shabby, ill-considered nonsense that is apparently the modus operandum of everyday life in conservativeland, such as it is now:
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conclusion: wolfowitz should never have been appointed to this position in the first place. the step-by-step self-destruction of the neo-con movement and of the right's coalition more generally is at this point kind of amazing to watch, a huge slow-motion trainwreck.
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At least this crony didn't pass the snicker test. I suppose I should be pleased that he wasn't a veterinarian like the last appointee.
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Finally, there has been a move on Doolittle. I have been wondering what the delay was.
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It is with profound regret that these developments come long after many of the members with whom we debated the Bush presidency and it's phony, GWOT, ceased to participate in the discussions in this politcal forum.....
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I went back and enlarged the letters in a paragraph of my 9/29/06 post (# 142), referencing the DOJ Inspector General's findings about former RNC Chairman Ken Mehlman's instructions concerning Jack Abramoff's interest in the continued assignment by the DOJ of Frederick Black as US Attorney on Guam...... <b>Now....with these latest revelations, I'm begining to wonder if the Bureau of Federal Prisons will have to provide a facility that will exclusively house corrupt, and "traitorously corrupt", former employees of the DOJ and the executive branch....but, then again, who would investigate and prosecute them.....themselves?</b> Remember the long, long, GWOT.....I guess that it is over, or that it never really mattered in the hearts of the politicians who so fiercely embraced and embellished it: Quote:
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There is a new crony appointment that is so in your face that it makes one wonder about the extent of this administration's chutzpah. The following article also provides a nice summary of the known scandals.
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05-17-2007, 05:53 PM | #150 (permalink) | |
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there's probably little reason to post this as i am sure it is well-known by now...mostly, i think doing it is a bit therapeutic:
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