08-19-2005, 02:09 AM | #1 (permalink) |
Lennonite Priest
Location: Mansfield, Ohio USA
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Ohio and the GOP party
Well, we have Tom Noe (huge contributor to the GOP national and state) in serious trouble for scamming the Worker's Comp.
We have Taft who yesterday pled no contest to never claiming golf outings and dinners paid for by others. Ohio's GOP is heavily burdened with severe scandal and it makes me wonder. Taft and several of the people involved were very close to Sen. George Voinivich. Voinivich has raised Bush's hackles on some legislation and has been outspoken a little to much..... so much in fact the GOP has talked of running people against Voinivich. Also in Bush's sights is Sen. Dewine, whom again, is close to Taft, and had the GOP run someone against his GOP son so that the vote was split and it allowed a Dem to win county commissioner. In Ohio the GOP is a mess and is very much need to keep the White House and maybe needed to maintain a nice Senate and House margin. So why is the GOP sacrificing Ohio leaders, so willingly? The trickle down effects of what is happening in Columbus are hitting the whole state hard and in a state where it's close to begin with (we're very schizophrenic in this state.... North Eastern very much Dem. yet, South and West of Columbus GOP driven, but more Dem strength there than GOP strength in Northeast Ohio. (Means the GOP strongths in southern and western are more easily swayed to Dem. than NE Ohio is swayed to the GOP.) Has anyone else follwed Ohio politics? This state was vital to Bush in '00 and '04 and will be extremely important in '06 senatorial/ house races and in '08. And I find it funny that people who worked hard and made sure Bush carried Ohio, are being sacrificed by their own.
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08-19-2005, 02:16 AM | #2 (permalink) |
Adequate
Location: In my angry-dome.
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Couldn't they be cutting off the foot to save the leg?
(The leg being the remaining term, possibly at some expense to the GOP.)
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08-19-2005, 02:51 AM | #3 (permalink) |
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I don't understand, are you trying to insinuate that somehow Bush forced the two named individuals into committing criminal acts, or that he falsified evidence? Otherwise, I don't see what the President has to do with corruption and crime in Ohio. I don't see how any party leaders are being "sacrificed" at all, unless you want to count some vague rumor that maybe a Republican will challenge a sitting Republican senator.
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08-19-2005, 03:08 AM | #4 (permalink) | |
Lennonite Priest
Location: Mansfield, Ohio USA
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What Taft did was nothing that the vast majority of politicians on both sides do, the problem is his own party turned him in...... not the Dems. There is far more than just "a vague rumor" going around that the national GOP are trying to coax some GOP who are more vocally in favor with Bush to run against both Voinivich and Dewine. There are facts that the GOP gave away an office just so Dewine's son would lose. (read the Cincinatti Enquirer and Post about the situation.) It is highly possible the Ohio GOP is trying to get rid of anyone that may cause scandal by exposing it now rather than in major election years, or they could be finding sacrificial lambs to prevent further scandals affecting more people. But even Voinivich's and Dewine's possible replacements are being reamed.... so where is the benefit to anyone in this except the Dem party? It just makes no sense, weaken your own party and run the risk of losing the state? Usually when you when you aim to destroy someone in your own party, you don't do so at destroying the whole party..... and yet the GOP in Ohio is doing just that.
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I just love people who use the excuse "I use/do this because I LOVE the feeling/joy/happiness it brings me" and expect you to be ok with that as you watch them destroy their life blindly following. My response is, "I like to put forks in an eletrical socket, just LOVE that feeling, can't ever get enough of it, so will you let me put this copper fork in that electric socket?" |
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08-19-2005, 01:35 PM | #6 (permalink) | |
Deja Moo
Location: Olympic Peninsula, WA
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This article caught my eye about a month ago. If you are known by the company you keep, I can see why some Republicans would like to see these folks go away.
http://www.freepress.org/departments...y/19/2005/1387 Quote:
Nothing boring about Ohio politics. |
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08-20-2005, 12:45 AM | #7 (permalink) | |
Junkie
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I personally think the GOP being destroyed in Ohio is a bit of hyperbole, but that's not what I want to address. Essentially, you are trying to make Bush out to be some sort of diabolical hatchet man because some governmental corruption was exposed. But I have no doubt that if Dems had broke this story, you would be here saying how Bush was trying to cover for people in Ohio who helped to get him elected. As an outside observer, this seems little more than political housecleaning. Rather than risk some damaging revelations later, they are just flushing the whole group out. I see Bush having absolutly nothing to do with this. |
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08-20-2005, 05:02 AM | #8 (permalink) |
Lennonite Priest
Location: Mansfield, Ohio USA
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I don't know, I think it is extremely risky for the GOP and more than just coincidence that Bush wants Voinivich gone (and Voinivich while I'm sure has skeletons is a pretty decent politician who is well liked by both sides in Ohio) and all of a sudden any GOP that has supported Voinivich is starting to go down by his/her own party.
Sounds to me like strong armed tactics to get GOP to distance themselves from Voinivich and Dewine. More like a "distance or else your next and we KNOW your skeletons." Perhaps, I am wrong..... but when you hear that Bush and his cronies are working to find someone that better supports them to run against Voinivich and Dewine and this starts to happen it makes you wonder. Truly though.... I don't care, the Dem party is strengthening in Ohio (a swing state) and if the GOP wants to destroy their own, I say please keep on doing so, regardless of whom is behind it.
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I just love people who use the excuse "I use/do this because I LOVE the feeling/joy/happiness it brings me" and expect you to be ok with that as you watch them destroy their life blindly following. My response is, "I like to put forks in an eletrical socket, just LOVE that feeling, can't ever get enough of it, so will you let me put this copper fork in that electric socket?" |
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