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moosenose · 07-21-2005, 01:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by roachboy

try it--you'll be made a fool of so fast your head will spin.

I suggest you tell that to Lynne Stewart. Oh, wait, she's in prison.
I suggest you tell that to Kifah Jayyousi. Oh, wait, he's being held without bond awaiting trial.

roachboy · 07-21-2005, 02:13 PM

i am not debating with you, moosenose.
i am not interested in your pseudo-legal arguments. they are worthless.
i am not interested in your hamfisted attempt to censor a debate.
it is annoying, like a bug that prevents you from sleeping at night buzzing around your ear.

boatin · 07-21-2005, 02:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by moosenose

But that is NOT the standard that would be used in trying somebody for violating Article 3 § 3 of the US Constitution. The standard would be "do the statements qualify as "adhering to the enemy"", that is, providing them with moral support.

Every day I see more examples of the things RB talks about in terms of how some conservatives talk. A little shift here, a little nudge there. Or a wholesale ignoring of a point or distraction.

It's interesting how the snippet from the Constitution becomes "moral support" in the post of yours I quote here.

Also interesting if you look at the Constitution again:

Quote:

Clause 1: Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.

We could certainly debate what "adhere" means in this context. And look at what Raider said. Respecting the Iraqis, which Raider does, is a distant relative to "moral support", which is a distanct relative to "adhere".

Oh yeah, then there is that last line from the Constitution. The one about "overt act". Is posting an opinion of respect an overt act to you?

I'd love to see Rehnquist, Thomas, Scalia and any other judges you would care to choose tear that apart.

But I, too, suspect you really know that.

Lebell · 07-21-2005, 02:39 PM

Well.

You gentlemen have tied quite the Gordian Knot in this thread.

Threats, counter threats, general name calling...the list goes on.

I'm locking this and bumping it over to the mod room to discuss what, if anything will be done.

Lebell · 07-24-2005, 03:26 PM

*UPDATE*

Well, after considerable discussion, for the good of the forum we've decided to ban two people based not only this thread, but on past threads as well.

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roachboy Super Moderator Location: essex ma	i am not debating with you, moosenose. i am not interested in your pseudo-legal arguments. they are worthless. i am not interested in your hamfisted attempt to censor a debate. it is annoying, like a bug that prevents you from sleeping at night buzzing around your ear. __________________ a gramophone its corrugated trumpet silver handle spinning dog. such faithfulness it hear it make you sick. -kamau brathwaite

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Lebell Cracking the Whip Location: Sexymama's arms...	Well. You gentlemen have tied quite the Gordian Knot in this thread. Threats, counter threats, general name calling...the list goes on. I'm locking this and bumping it over to the mod room to discuss what, if anything will be done. __________________ "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." – C. S. Lewis The ONLY sponsors we have are YOU! Please Donate!

07-24-2005, 03:26 PM	#85 (permalink)
Lebell Cracking the Whip Location: Sexymama's arms...	UPDATE Well, after considerable discussion, for the good of the forum we've decided to ban two people based not only this thread, but on past threads as well. __________________ "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." – C. S. Lewis The ONLY sponsors we have are YOU! Please Donate!