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03-06-2005, 07:20 PM | #42 (permalink) |
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just wondering how this can possibly be a discussion of rwanda and not want to take into account any of the particular circumstances that either enabled the genocide or drove it?
of the two mid-level contexts manx talked about: the international arms trade is obviously a big deal--the united states is the worlds largest arms exporter by a mulitlpe of ten. as for the word colonialism--there are enough smeantic problems raised by using the word that it seems pointless to try to sort them here. neocolonialism more. different structure of domination. france (one of those nation-states so dear to american rightwingers) played a pivotal role in all this--they knew what was coming but radically underestimated it--unlilke bush, they were not interested in looking for pretexts, true or false, for war--they were caught off guard. ia am sure the conservatives here will argue that cowboy george would not have been, but that is speculation and refuting it is a waste of time. the main driver was the radio--radio broadcasts were fundamental to ordering, controlling the pace of, and providing a rationalization for genocide. look here for example: http://www2.rnw.nl/rnw/en/features/m.../rwanda-h.html the role of mass media in rwanda--which used nationalist and militarist slogans to trigger genocide--should give folk in the states pause. it is not only folk in rwanda who allow radio or television to structure the ways in which they hate people different from themselves.
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03-06-2005, 08:34 PM | #43 (permalink) | |
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I would hope that you would be a little more careful writing such inflammatory nonesense. This community isn't supposed to always agree with each other, but it IS supposed to respect each other. To throw out opinions such as the one above clearly doesn't do that. It doesn't add to the discussion, nor does it make anyone that might disagree with you interested in discussing the issue. My prediction is that it either makes those with differing opinions mad (which doesn't help the debate), or it makes them close the thread and go elsewhere. Needless to say, it isn't nice and it doesn't help. Have a nice day. |
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I think our views could be summed up as: Manx: I BLAME THE WEST! (and capitalism!) Me: I blame the people who did the killing. I am glad we can agree to disagree. |
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03-06-2005, 10:55 PM | #45 (permalink) | |
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Somehow I'm able to handle your constant "excuse the west" mantra, so if you want to engage in discussion you're going to have to deal with whatever you perceive my mantra to be. Or maybe you're not interested in discussion. Last edited by Manx; 03-06-2005 at 11:02 PM.. |
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03-07-2005, 12:18 AM | #46 (permalink) | |
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I hardly have a mantra of "excuse the west." The "crux" of my post was that regardless of the involvement of the west, that does not in anyway absolve the murderers. And to think, I even put it in bold for you. |
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03-07-2005, 01:48 AM | #47 (permalink) |
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Does anyone else think that it is amazing that while everyone here is willing to research and argue points about who is responsible for genocide, no one really wants to stand up and say, "We should really do something about it."
I can understand if you think that genocide in other nations is none of our business and that is why you are silent, but many posters here are clearly sympathetic with the plight of the oppressed. Has anyone written their Senators? Informed a real-live (aka non TFP) community about what is going on so that they can also get involved? Donated to Amnesty International? I will agree that the United Nations, United States and yes, even the West has dropped the ball on this issue and many others like it. Is anyone interested in picking the ball back up?
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03-07-2005, 01:16 PM | #49 (permalink) | |
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We should therefore stay away from Rwanda, lest we be accused of trying to "colonize it." However, nothing is preventing you from going there to offer your assistance, since you feel so strongly about it. I won't hold my breath. |
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03-07-2005, 02:22 PM | #50 (permalink) | |
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How about if you go and "defend" Iraq, since you feel so strongly about it. I won't hold my breath. |
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03-07-2005, 05:28 PM | #51 (permalink) | |
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I have read all the posts in this thread in order to learn something about the Rwanda confilict. The statement that the U.S. is the largest arms supplier in the world has been brought up several times so I did some searches in order to find out what we supplied there. Apparently the U.S. was not heavily involved in selling arms to Rwanda but rather they came from France, Egypt and South Africa mostly.
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