03-04-2005, 08:34 AM | #41 (permalink) |
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raveneye: interesting scenario. a bit unnerving.
the more general question this church-as-charity raises for me is that this model was dominant in the 19th century and failed miserably. the assumptions then seem like those of the bushpeople today: that poverty is a function of individual moral failings, therefore it made some sense to enlist the aid of churches for redemption at various levels. then, as now for the american right, the correlate is that there is nothing necessarily wrong about the operation of capitalism as a system, no real problem with the destruction of the lives of those exlcuded from holding capital. the invisible hand mythology dovetailed nicely into a christian mythology. what is real is rational because the invisible hand of god says so. these assumptions were, and are (more so now) insane. the shift back toward this already-antiquated, already-proven-ineffectual model slides across a wholly irrational view of the welfare state, how it came into being, what its meanings are, its relation to taxation etc. constructing this view has been an important political function of the conservative media apparatus at least since the earliest phases of the clinton period. the main shift in assumptions that played out across the period that lead up to the development of the welfare state was simple: what was at stake was not the redemption of individuals, but the survival of the system itself. the uneven distribution of wealth creates fundamental political torsions at the heart of the capitalist order. the welfare state was an attempt to co-opt this political threat. these problems have not gone away. you would have to be blind to the actual history of capitalism to think otherwise. the bottom line: i do not understand what bush is doing with this "faith-based initiative" idea at all. the question of hiring practices simply follow from this bigger irrationality, repeat the problems that attend it in general at a particular level.
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03-04-2005, 09:40 AM | #42 (permalink) | |||
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Again, bull. When's the last time you marched into a christian book store, found the clerk, and interrogated her on what religion she was. Are you saying only a christian is capable of helping you find the book about Jesus? Only a christian is capable of operating the cash register in the christian bookstore? Obviously, all that's absurd. If they want to hire based on religion, they certainly can do that, but they shouldn't be getting rewarded by the government for it. |
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03-04-2005, 09:50 AM | #43 (permalink) | ||
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Should you now be completely free (by yesterday's Republican vote) to use federal funds to discriminate at will? Quote:
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03-04-2005, 10:44 AM | #44 (permalink) |
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oh, wow....i'm a dumbass
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People use these guides because they want to support a company that values the same things that they do (my parents do this as much as possible). They expect that any and all people they come across in these companies espouse the virtues of Christianity. So, no, you are mistaken, it is not bull. Don't believe me? Call my parents. And there are many, many people like them.
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