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Superbelt · 02-18-2005, 05:21 AM

Negroponte appointed new Intelligence Chief

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ELEANOR HALL: To the intelligence shake-up in the United States now, and in a move that will reduce the influence of the Pentagon over intelligence gathering and effectively demote the Director of the CIA, President George W. Bush has named his first spy supremo.

John Negroponte who became well known internationally as the United States Ambassador to the United Nations in the lead up to the invasion of Iraq, and was then the United States' Ambassador to Iraq, has been nominated to the newly created position of Director of National Intelligence.

The appointment of an overseer of US spying operations was a key recommendation of the commission, which investigated intelligence failures prior to the terrorist attacks on the US in 2001
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John Negroponte.
Currently US Ambassador to Iraq, former US Ambassador to the UN. He is best known for his Ambassadorship to Honduras. He had his post from 1981 to 1985. He supported and executed Us-Sponsored policy which was in violation of human rights and international law.

He supervised the El Aguacate air base where US trained Nicaraguan Contras in the Eighties. It was also used as a detention and torture center.
Exevations discovered the corpses of 185 people in 2001. Including two americans.

Also remember Battalion 316, trained by the CIA and Argentine military. They kidnapped, tortured and killed hundreds. Negroponte knew of the violations yet continued to associate with them. And he lied to Congress.

Info on this tremendous ass
More on him
More on the guy Bush has promoted to the top intelligence figure in the nation
Google Search for John Negroponte

Can't say I am surprised again. I made a plea last time we had this discussion when he was nominated for Ambassador to Iraq.
I said:

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For the people who like Bush, please vote the man out for nothing less than the heinous people he nominates to important positions, like this. It's not like we haven't given the world reason to distrust our intentions in Iraq as it is.

Now Bush want's to give a man who should be rotting in a jail cell at the least... Or have his eyes spooned out before being gutted with a bayonette as just punishment.... the keys to all the sensitive intelligence in the nation.

Bravo Bush voters.
John 11:35

NCB · 02-18-2005, 05:35 AM

I'm a conservative and I don't like Negroponte either. I have a hard time trusting life long bureaucrats with something as important as national intelligence. Like all bureaucrats, he's just minding the store while searching for his next gig. If a jar or two fall from the shelf every now and then, that's ok, so long as the store doesn't burn down. That's the bureaucratic mindset

Charlatan · 02-18-2005, 05:51 AM

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Originally Posted by NCB

I'm a conservative and I don't like Negroponte either. I have a hard time trusting life long bureaucrats with something as important as national intelligence. Like all bureaucrats, he's just minding the store while searching for his next gig. If a jar or two fall from the shelf every now and then, that's ok, so long as the store doesn't burn down. That's the bureaucratic mindset

While I dont' disagree with you entirely you shouldn't paint all bureaucrats with the same brush...

Face facts... bureaucrats are like garbagemen... they perform a neccessary function that no one else really wants to do. Some bureaucracy is neccessary.

Back to villifying Negroponte...

NCB · 02-18-2005, 05:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Charlatan

While I dont' disagree with you entirely you shouldn't paint all bureaucrats with the same brush...

Face facts... bureaucrats are like garbagemen... they perform a neccessary function that no one else really wants to do. Some bureaucracy is neccessary.

Back to villifying Negroponte...

True, we shouln't paint them all with the same brush, but Negroponte is not your run of the mill bureaucrat. He's not like others who are just working hard so that maybe one day they could be head of the regioanl accounting office. High level bureaucrats are a different animal. These guys are always on the look out for their next big payday

Charlatan · 02-18-2005, 06:00 AM

Agreed....

irateplatypus · 02-18-2005, 07:48 AM

i don't have a strong opinion of negroponte... but i do feel the style of the thread-title and it's accompanying hysterics are too common on this board.

Superbelt · 02-18-2005, 08:22 AM

Hysterics?
This guy was deeply embroiled in central american death squads.
Bush seems determined to push into position he just does not belong in.
(BTW. Clinton also gave him appointments)
But this guy is just plain nasty.

Go through the links I gave and form your own opinion. And please, also research him some on your own and feel free to dispute anything that I have posted.
Dude is quacking like a duck so let's call him by his name.
Evil.

Charlatan · 02-18-2005, 08:24 AM

I think he should have gone with his second choice... Kissinger.

genuinegirly · 02-18-2005, 08:41 AM

The thought of someone with such a record doing anything other than serious psycotherapy... why is this person running anything?

Why is Bush running anything? Why do we have anything more than a judicial system? Why do we "need" people passing senseless bills that no one listens to or cares about, that the congressmen don't even bother to read themselves. Why?

Why does anyone run anything?

I look at the struggle for the spot of CEO in my company... I see the stupid stupid management people that treat everyone like crud around them, who refuse to attend the "learning to work well with people in the office" sessions designed especially for them... and I think "Why do people become such jackasses?" How in the world do we sit by and watch them destroy our self-worth? Why do we pay them horrendous salaries? Why do they get the extra fluff when our company does well, hoping that they'll send a bonus our way in exchange for our hard work? And when they throw their friends into high-pay positions, only to sit and rot, watching porn in their pretty little offices as the rest of us pick up their workload...

I'm sorry. I don't see why we as humans get it in our minds that anyone is worthy of leading the rest of us. I don't understand why we're bent on killing one another in senseless wars. Didn't we learn anything from Marx, Gandhi, Buddha, and Jesus?

NCB · 02-18-2005, 09:47 AM

I think he should have named Jamie Gorelick. At least she would have weeded out intel that may have been gained from the placing of panties on heads and other such heinous acts

irateplatypus · 02-18-2005, 10:46 AM

i said i did not have a strong opinion on negroponte... i did not say i was ill-informed.

calling anyone "Son of Satan" or saying...

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Now Bush want's to give a man who should be rotting in a jail cell at the least... Or have his eyes spooned out before being gutted with a bayonette as just punishment....

definitely qualifies as hysterics in my opinion.

i don't want to take over your thread or seem holier than thou... i just know that you cannot mean those things and be intellectually honest in your protestations of other events.

Superbelt · 02-18-2005, 10:55 AM

No, I do.

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One Salvadoran death squad member, when asked about the types of tortures used, replied: "Uh, well, the same things you did in Vietnam. We learned from you. We learned from you the means, like blowtorches in the armpits, shots in the balls. But for the "toughest ones" -- that is, those who resist these other tortures -- "we have to pop their eyes out with a spoon. You have to film it to believe it, but boy, they sure sing."

Raymond Bonner
Weakness and Deceit
June, 1984

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Rufina Amaya, 60, is the sole survivor of the El Mozote massacre, in which four of her five children and her husband perished. Her fingers fidget as she recalls darting from a line of women who were about to be shot, and creeping into a bush. She stayed immobile for hours, recognizing her children's voices crying ''Mamita, they're killing us!'' as they were bayoneted.

He knew all of this was going on and provided, among other things, organizational and political support.
That people like him and Kissinger are not rotting in jail is a human tragedy.

I wouldn't, as the euphamism goes, even piss on him if he was on fire.

Lebell · 02-18-2005, 12:17 PM

Try again with a thread title that doesn't sound like something out the World Weekly News or the National Enquirer.

Closed.

02-18-2005, 06:00 AM	#5 (permalink)
Charlatan Getting it. Super Moderator Location: Lion City	Agreed.... __________________ "My hands are on fire. Hands are on fire. Ain't got no more time for all you charlatans and liars." - Old Man Luedecke

02-18-2005, 07:48 AM	#6 (permalink)
irateplatypus can't help but laugh Location: dar al-harb	i don't have a strong opinion of negroponte... but i do feel the style of the thread-title and it's accompanying hysterics are too common on this board. __________________ If you will not fight when your victory will be sure and not too costly, you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance for survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves. ~ Winston Churchill

02-18-2005, 08:24 AM	#8 (permalink)
Charlatan Getting it. Super Moderator Location: Lion City	I think he should have gone with his second choice... Kissinger. __________________ "My hands are on fire. Hands are on fire. Ain't got no more time for all you charlatans and liars." - Old Man Luedecke

02-18-2005, 08:41 AM	#9 (permalink)
genuinegirly Eat your vegetables Super Moderator Location: Arabidopsis-ville	The thought of someone with such a record doing anything other than serious psycotherapy... why is this person running anything? Why is Bush running anything? Why do we have anything more than a judicial system? Why do we "need" people passing senseless bills that no one listens to or cares about, that the congressmen don't even bother to read themselves. Why? Why does anyone run anything? I look at the struggle for the spot of CEO in my company... I see the stupid stupid management people that treat everyone like crud around them, who refuse to attend the "learning to work well with people in the office" sessions designed especially for them... and I think "Why do people become such jackasses?" How in the world do we sit by and watch them destroy our self-worth? Why do we pay them horrendous salaries? Why do they get the extra fluff when our company does well, hoping that they'll send a bonus our way in exchange for our hard work? And when they throw their friends into high-pay positions, only to sit and rot, watching porn in their pretty little offices as the rest of us pick up their workload... I'm sorry. I don't see why we as humans get it in our minds that anyone is worthy of leading the rest of us. I don't understand why we're bent on killing one another in senseless wars. Didn't we learn anything from Marx, Gandhi, Buddha, and Jesus? __________________ "Sometimes I have to remember that things are brought to me for a reason, either for my own lessons or for the benefit of others." Cynthetiq "violence is no more or less real than non-violence." roachboy

02-18-2005, 12:17 PM	#13 (permalink)
Lebell Cracking the Whip Location: Sexymama's arms...	Try again with a thread title that doesn't sound like something out the World Weekly News or the National Enquirer. Closed. __________________ "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." – C. S. Lewis The ONLY sponsors we have are YOU! Please Donate!

02-18-2005, 08:22 AM	#7 (permalink)
Superbelt This vexes me. I am terribly vexed. Location: Grantville, Pa	Hysterics? This guy was deeply embroiled in central american death squads. Bush seems determined to push into position he just does not belong in. (BTW. Clinton also gave him appointments) But this guy is just plain nasty. Go through the links I gave and form your own opinion. And please, also research him some on your own and feel free to dispute anything that I have posted. Dude is quacking like a duck so let's call him by his name. Evil.