CShine

I wonder if you can comply with court rulings by mocking them. Seems to be a novel solution.





http://www.beliefnet.com/story/160/story_16009_1.html

Seaver

I have to admit. With "Choose Death" I was thinking about pro-death penalty.

daswig

I'd pay extra for a "choose death" license plate....

martinguerre

the best part...is it that south carolinians are too lazy to get bumper stickers?

their government seems not to think much of their ability to find and display political parephenalia.

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Kadath

You know, daswig, this is the first time I've ever agreed with you.

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MSD

I wish legislators would spend their constituents' tax dollars and time in better ways than wasting time and spending money creating license plates bearing messages that could just as easily be accomplished through the application of a personalized license plate frame. I am frustrated and disgusted on behalf of the people of South Carolina, although I would spend extra for a "choose death" license plate.

edit: especially if it comes with a black background and a skull and crossbones between the groups of digits.

Paq

seriously, SC is the most bigotted, aggravating, racist, fundamentalist, most insidious, heinous, incestuous, festering, nepotistic, closed minded, self righteous bunch of assholes i have ever met...and i was born and raised here.

Basically, it's this...the anti-abortion crowd is basically trying to make it a life vs death argument by using it in the crudest terms possible. it may be allowing something to grow and live vs killing it off early, but it's just the halfhandedness of the argument, "Choose life" vs "Choose death" instead of "Choose choice" or something else. I am surprised they aren't making them in pink or with baby outlines or anything like that.

it is a mockery and 'Choose death' is easily misconstrued to refer to the death penalty... ..

very...south carolinian...

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mike059

Sorry Paq, I think that Florida at least ties SC. I think it just shows what little minds some of these republicans have, mmmm maybe we could have a "NO BUSH" plate for those ladies who shave, of course

djtestudo

If by "Choose Death" it means I can choose to inflict death on someone of my choosing, like say state Representative John Graham Altman, then I'm all for it.

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guy44

I think the choice should be between "Pro-choice" and "Anti-choice."

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Paq

seriously...prochoice vs antichoice...bc who is really against life....

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flstf

Wouldn't it be funny if they offered it and the whole thing backfired on them and "Choose Death" outsold the "Choose Life" plate.

Locke7

Pro abortion is pro death penalty, only problem is it is an innocent child, not a convicted criminal.

But I do agree with some of you. Why in the world are they wasting tax payers time and money on this license plate issue. But a bumper sticker.

Bill O'Rights

So...I take it that you've never been to Nebraska?
Oh, and add me to the list of those that feel that this is a huge waste of taxpayer's resources. Although, on the other hand, it speaks well for South Carolina, that things are going so well there, that her lawmakers can actualy spend their time on this. Right?

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f6twister

But there is so many more plates they could offer: Pro Absitnence, Pro Birth Control, Pro Morning After Pill or Pro Castration.

I'm another for a waste of taxpayer money. There is so much else going on in the country and they are spending time talking about what to put on a license plate. Damn politicians!

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n0nsensical

I for one would love to have a "Choose Death" license plate. I probably wouldn't pay more for it though. Would go well with my black-on-black car. I'd have to add a few pentagram bumper stickers for full effect.

Alternatively, it could be used by euthanasia supporters.

C4 Diesel

If they had "choose death" liscence plates, I could never drive in South Carolina, because I would immediately crash after seeing one and beginning to laugh uncontrollably.

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Bryndian_Dhai

This is the Louisiana version, upon which we are still waiting for the appeals court to rule. Louisiana lawmakers have so far refused to offer an option, and the South Carolina ruling makes me feel like we have half a chance of making these plates go away forever.

*grins* I'd pay a lot for a "choose death" plate... although I don't think this is an issue for a license plate. Buy a bumper sticker, get a tattoo, just don't waste my tax dollars forcing a point of view.

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ngngnghhhuhhhh....
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Master_Shake

Except that the goal isn't to spend tax dollars, it's to raise more money. Whichever side of the argument they decide to end up on, the result will be a lot of people paying money for a stupid license plate. Paying money to the government. It's the perfect plan. Here the government controls how your voice is heard, so as not to be discomforting to others, they raise revenue, and it makes the people who purchase it feel like they've really done something that means something.

I can't think of a more insidious and evil plan than government rationed speech.

Let's push for pro- and anti-terrorism license plates next, and then we could have pro- and anti-gay marriage plates, and pro- and anti-school prayer plates, and we could follow that with whatever bullshit, pandering, social message designed-to-distract-people-while-they-continue-to-get-fucked-by-the-upper-1%-plates are released.

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alansmithee

Many Pro-life supporters feel that abortionists are against life. Honestly you could frame pro-choice in any context:

rape- Sure, im pro-choice, the choice to have sex with who I want, when I want.

arson- Sure im pro-choice, the choice to set fire to what I want.

burglary- Sure im pro-choice, the choice to have what I want when I want it.

I've always thought that framing the abortion issue as one of "choice" to be whitewashing the issue. People who are pro-life arent by default wanting to dominate all women's lives (although I can admit that some probably would like to). If you don't mind what you're doing, why not say pro-abortion? It seems to me that people who say "pro-choice" think that abortion IS wrong, and so need to frame the discussion in another way, because as was said who is really against life?

analog

I may cry, that's so touching! *sniff*

I too would pay extra for a "Choose Death" plate. Especially one with MrSelfDestruct's adjustments.

Paq

of course , pro-choice is whitewashing the issue. I believe it took a while for pro-abortion people to come up with that as their issue name instead of "pro-death or pro-abortion. Let's face it, abortion is a nasty issue. I don't know of anyone, pro choice or pro abortion, that thinks it's a grand thing and a wonderful choice for birth control. It's a nasty issue and most pro-choice people are not advocating abortions for everyone, just the LEGAL option of an abortion for someone...

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Coppertop

How about a "Choose Overpopulation" plate?

mojodragon

This may seem like an odd conclusion, or maybe a conspiracy theory, but I think that the pro-life crowd probably brought up the court case in the first place. That way, they could get a huge amount of free media, and put pressure on politicians to give them support. There's a lot of public sympathy involved in a court case, where a group is being harrassed by the overzealous court system. This was actually good for the pro-life group's Public Relations efforts. The only problem is, they've managed to botch it now.

It's all a game of controlling perceptions.

The pro-choice crowd want you to think of abortion as a medical procedure, and nothing more.

The pro-life crowd wants you to think of abortion as premeditated murder.

Both crowds use words that convey their own agenda. Both crowds try underhanded tricks to get laws written, or government sponsorship of their agenda.

I was born and raised in SC, and only got out by joining the military. I don't think any of this was accidental, I think it was all planned. They're mocking the court order to get people to their side. They proposed "Choose Death" in the hopes that it would deliver a message, arguing against abortion. What sane person would actually want something like that on their car? What sane politician would get up on a podium and say "I think that we should kill people." No, they're not, because everyone has to be politically correct. This court case just pushed something that wasn't a big deal in the first place, into the national spotlight. I don't know many pro-choice people that really had a problem with the license plates. They just responded by using bumper stickers, if they were so inclined. In fact, I think I'm going to see if I can get a bumper sticker with the SC tree and moon (from the state flag) with the words "Choose Death".

squirrelyburt

Oh my GAAAAWWDDDD!! What an incredibly stupid overbearance of political correctness and waste of taxpayer monies!! What a bunch of crap!!!

This is where we have come, if they want to cater to one group, we will have to cater to another. Imagine if the NAACP wanted their dedicated plate, will the kkk also get one? If this flies, we are there...

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irateplatypus

who else thinks having plates that advocate positions on abortion is a great way to create more road rage?

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Paq

irate, i'm with you on this one. I find that being behind someone with a "W-04" sticker exponentially increases my roadrage mannerisms towards the person in question.

same as being behind a person with a bumpersticker reading, "Christians aren't perfect, they are just forgiven" or anything of the sort

maybe cars aren't the best place for displaying political and religious ideologies...

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stevo

Don't blame the lawmakers for wasting tax-payers' money, blame the judges. They're the onles that ruled that not offering a "pro-abortion" licenseplate was infringing on peoples rights under the 1st amendment.

I'll bet the reason there was never one offered is because no politician wanted their name on a bill that creates "pro-abortion" license plates, it wasn't the government trying to cut back on 1st amendment rights. Then we get some whiney pro-choicers complaining that they aren't offered a license plate. Did they ever ask their congressman or did they just run straight to court?

You tell me.

Bill O'Rights

No, I think that on this one, I will blame the lawmakers. This all started with the ofference of a Pro-Life license plate. Where did they think that was going to go?

I think I'll give another shot at tossing my hat into the ring. Only this time, I'll run for the Nebraska State Legislature. I'll introduce a Bill to do away with that tired assed covered wagon, and push for Alyson Hannigan license plates.

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stevo

You might get some votes on that platform.

but

SC is not the only state to have those license plates, we have had them in florida for a number of years and they are on many cars. The legislature, elected by the people, enacted the bill, and it apparantly was a success since there are a lot of pro-life plates on cars in florida. So, to me, it looks like the legislature did a good job of representing its constituants. So I don't see a problem with the ofference of the pro-life plates, only a problem with people going to court to get what they want, while skipping the whole legislative process completely.

sapiens

The pro-choice side didn't try to get a plate of their own before they brought the issue to the courts?

Stompy

Screw the state license plates. Just buy a bumper sticker with a better messagethat says "Jesus Loves Abortions" or "Abortions Tickle"

You'll be sure to turn more heads than a simple "Pro-choice" message.

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stevo

What, you don't know the answer to that?

Just because they weren't offered one doesn't mean that they lobbied the legislature for one and were rejected.

mojodragon

I honestly doubt that "whiney" pro choicers raised this issue in the first place. I'll bet it was "underhanded" pro lifers, who brought this to the courts as a way to get huge national media attention.

stevo

Wow, you are so insightful. how'd you get so smart?

sapiens

Nor does it mean that they didn't lobby the legislature. I wanted to know whether or not they did.

stevo

Well, when you find out post it so we will all know what a bunch of whiney babies they are.