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Perhaps you will find it useful in dealing with people who are determined to spend your money. "A Republican and a Democrat were walking down the street when they came to a homeless person. The Republican gave the homeless person his business card and told him to come to his business for a job. He then took twenty dollars out of his pocket and gave it to the homeless person." "The Democrat was very impressed, and when they came to another homeless person, he decided to help. He walked over to the homeless person and gave him directions to the welfare office. He then reached into the Republican's pocket and gave the homeless person fifty dollars." "Now you understand the difference between Republicans and Democrats." |
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But it's rather off-topic to document the things like your confusion/contradictions about where you've lived. |
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http://www.reclaimamerica.org/pages/...asp?story=2228 Most Charitable States Coincide with Voting Patterns Wednesday, November 17, 2004 By Sam Kastensmidt Each year, the Catalogue for Philanthropy determined the nation’s most charitable states. To determine which states are most charitable, the organization used 2002 federal income tax returns. The results show a clear correlation with the 2004 Presidential election. The Methodology The Catalogue’s generosity index is computed by the following equation: The state’s average income ranking / the state’s average charitable contribution ranking The Order of Most Charitable States 1) Mississippi – Bush 2) Arkansas – Bush 3) Oklahoma – Bush 4) Louisiana – Bush 5) Alabama – Bush 6) Tennessee – Bush 7) South Dakota – Bush 8) Utah – Bush 9) South Carolina – Bush 10) Idaho – Bush 11) Wyoming – Bush 12) Texas – Bush 13) West Virginia – Bush 14) Nebraska – Bush 15) North Dakota – Bush 16) North Carolina – Bush 17) Kansas – Bush 18) Florida – Bush 19) Georgia – Bush 20) Kentucky – Bush 21) Montana – Bush 22) Missouri – Bush 23) New Mexico – Bush 24) Alaska – Bush 25) Indiana – Bush 26) New York – Kerry 27) Iowa – Bush 28) Ohio – Bush 29) California – Kerry 30) Maryland – Kerry 31) Illinois – Kerry 32) Maine – Kerry 33) Delaware – Kerry 34) Washington – Kerry 35) Vermont – Kerry 36) Oregon – Kerry 37) Hawaii – Kerry 38) Virginia – Bush 39) Arizona – Bush 40) Nevada – Bush 41) Pennsylvania – Kerry 42) Michigan - Kerry 43) Colorado – Bush 44) Connecticut – Kerry 45) Minnesota – Kerry 46) Wisconsin – Kerry 47) New Jersey – Kerry 48) Rhode Island – Kerry 49) Massachusetts – Kerry 50) New Hampshire – Kerry It would look more favorable to the Kerry camp if a way were devised to report how much of OTHER people's money the Kerry crew likes to "donate." |
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11-20-2004, 08:37 AM | #85 (permalink) |
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I haven´t read throught the whole thread but:
-Isn´t the relative poverty line defined at the lowest 20% earners in a country, therefore you will always have 20% poor people. -You can´t increase wages unless you increase efficiency, if you force raised wages for a larger group of people these(the raises not the people) will be eaten away by a raise in living costs. Short and sweet: Nobody is forced to work a low-income job but most often it´s better than all other alternatives avalible to you. I myself work a low-wage job and I recognise the whining fom my co-workers that we are payed to poorly and work too much and I can tell you that considering what we do (working as a train conductor) we are payed way to much and I´m pulling of studing economics at a university at the same time so I guess we aren´t working to much either.
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Think you just proven yourself a liar in regards to your attack on me. Either way this thread for me is done, not once did I get a solid answer to how to chnage things from the opposition, all they do is point fingers, throw blame and attack personally.
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11-20-2004, 11:19 AM | #88 (permalink) | |
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What was your solution again? Oh, yes, it was was a rewording of "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need." Now that you're spending less time on the computer, maybe you should consider a second job. Wait, that solved the problems of two people you disagree with! On second thought, you should just engage in dishonest business practices. By his own admission, that works for Manx. He didn't care to hear about people who improved their lives by, for example, hard work. |
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11-20-2004, 12:06 PM | #91 (permalink) |
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You're not going to get an apology.
In fact, if you look directly above your post, you'll notice that a moderator said in polite terms as possible to quite childishly bickering with people attempting to have what began as a mature discussion.
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11-20-2004, 12:17 PM | #92 (permalink) |
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Daswig/Smooth....The future of this thread is in your hands. Act as Adults, get on track, and keep the thread open. Continue as you are and watch the results.
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Relative poverty is defined as making less than half the median wage. If the value of the dollar isn't constant, why would one have to increase productivity just to keep earning the same approximate wage over time?
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And there's honesty in Communism or whatever system you're advocating??? Tell that to the folks that died in the Gulags. As for my failure to "grasp the affects (sic) of ongoing generational oppression upon large groups of people", well, hate to tell you this, but I'll take the guy who said this: Quote:
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Their point was that they invested HARD work to overcome difficulties. I guess your philosophy of being dishonest is quite a bit easier. Oh, I understood the point about the charitable states, too. Perhaps this post will put it in context for you: Quote:
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That is most certainly a misrepresentation on their part. It's nonsense. |
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I'll apologize if Daswig says that hard work is easy. I know I didn't. |
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11-20-2004, 03:12 PM | #103 (permalink) | |
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I do believe in hard work, but at the wages paid and people struggling to make a living, you don't get truly hard work you don't inspire advancement, you get resentment and a "Let's stick it to the man" attitude. Have worked enough of those jobs to see it. High turnover, low morale and uncaring work ethics. Pay a man an honest wage allow him to feel like he is achieving something and he works harder has more loyalty and does what it takes to help the company. Pay a man a barely liveable wage treat him like dirt and you get someone looking for a reason to leave, to sue (look how many wage lawsuits Wal*Mart has been having) and anger. In other words you get what you pay for, in merchandise and in employees. But I do have to admire the way you make personal attacks instead of addressing the issue and staying on it with your solutions. You teach me how not to debate issues and how to deflect everything onto my opponent while not offering anything of substance, but trying to make me feel far suprerior.
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