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joeshoe · 11-19-2004, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by daswig

By the "biological activity" definition, cancer is alive. That doesn't mean it has rights.

Ok, just because something is living it doesn't mean it has rights. But to those who oppose abortion, a fetus isn't cancerous tissue. It's an independent human being, so it has its own rights. No, it can't live without the mother, but a baby couldn't live without someone to care for it, either.

Tarl Cabot · 11-19-2004, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by hannukah harry

actually, the pro-life argument does claim the embryo, not just the fetus. the pro-life movement claims that life begins at conception.

so why not take it one step back? (i realize that's just being super extreme and unrealistic, but at the same time, why not?)

Hey! Are you trying to make masturbation a crime?

Tarl Cabot · 11-19-2004, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by hannukah harry

the first statement is obviously rediculous. once it's been born it is autonomous. it is a seperate entity. if the parents can't or don't want to care for it, then they can put it up for adoption. but until it's been born, it isn't.

au·ton·o·mous (adj.) 1. Not controlled by others or by outside forces; independent.

Never in the history of the world has there been an autonomous newborn human.

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Originally Posted by hannukah harry

and she could let the fetus live, but i'm not going to force a woman through nine months of pregnancy so she can put the kid up for adoption where it may or may not get adopted and lead a good life just because it will make you sleep better at night.

Actually, the purpose was to make the child sleep better at night, as opposed to being dead.

But I doubt that anyone posting in this thread expected anyone else's mind to change.

That's not a slam at you; it's just an observation that this argument isn't going to be settled anytime soon.

hannukah harry · 11-19-2004, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Tarl Cabot

Hey! Are you trying to make masturbation a crime?

oh god, if that ever happened, i think i'd become america's most wanted!

Ustwo · 11-19-2004, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by ARTelevision

It seems to me that each new person born puts pressure on the people who are already here. That would be the reason behind my statement. I am interested in the people who are now on earth, period.

Does that mean, that a child in the womb is not now on earth?

I do not think your reasoning pertains to the unborn but people in general. If abortion is murder but we have too many people, then why not just kill those people? Genocide has many advantages to those who are not against the wall.

Correct me if I'm wrong but it seems your philosophy is 'Might makes right.'

joeshoe · 11-19-2004, 10:37 PM

Ustwo is right. Just because something is expedient, maybe even for the "benefit of the whole," doesn't make it justified. There has to be a balance between expedience and justice, and where that balance lies is a source of ideological conflict.

11-19-2004, 10:37 PM	#86 (permalink)
joeshoe Crazy Location: California	Ustwo is right. Just because something is expedient, maybe even for the "benefit of the whole," doesn't make it justified. There has to be a balance between expedience and justice, and where that balance lies is a source of ideological conflict.