I Detest the Hypocrisy of the Bush Administration - Tilted Forum Project Discussion Community

host · 11-05-2004, 12:24 AM

There is a misconception that sites that mirrored the Bush photomosaic that
uses tiny face shots of U.S. soldiers killed in action as pixels that are arranged to form a portrait of Bush, were somehow responsible for the
content. 
What other misconceptions do Bush supporters harbor and declare about him and/or his administration?

What acts are actually disrespectful, hypocritical excuses to withhold photos of the human cost of the war in Iraq.... while simultaneously defending the display of a 9/11 victim in a political ad, or protesting the war in Iraq, which the Bush administration has taken elaborate and public efforts to hide the pictorial record of, from us, by turning the deceit back in the "face" of the
man who is the symbol of responsibility for this war, and by extension, the
past and future (so far mostly hidden) U.S. casualties that result from it.

Given the outrageous tactics evidenced below to hide pictures of the American casualties while attempting to gain political advantage by displaying a domestic terror casualty, why is an outrageous, visual protest, designed to attract support to end this war of choice in Iraq, not appropriate?

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Link to 3 part story pictured below: <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3652171.stm">http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3652171.stm</a>

He denied the suggestion that restricting access to the photographs was an attempt at damage limitation by the Bush administration, which is under pressure over its policy of invading and occupying Iraq.

"I don't see that as our motivation. To be very frank with you, we don't want the remains of our service members who have made the ultimate sacrifice to be the subject of any kind of attention that is unwarranted or undignified," said Mr Molino.

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<a href="http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/nation/president/2004-03-04-bush-ads-criticism_x.htm">http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/nation/president/2004-03-04-bush-ads-criticism_x.htm</a>
Thursday afternoon, the Bush campaign said it would not cancel or alter the ads. Spokesmen said the ads are respectful and designed to show the president's leadership skills in the aftermath of the tragedy.

<center><center><img src="http://me.to/svr009.gif">

Who is actually playing politics with the dead?

A U.S. executive branch that advances cynical and hypocritical reasons to
hide the pictorial record of the cost of a war of choice in Iraq; unidentified,
flag draped coffins of the U.S. troops killed, and press photos and interviews
with wounded U.S. troops, while at the same time, the same executive branch defends its display the photographic image of a flag-draped body of a 9-11 victim in a presidential campaign ad.........or Joe Wezorek, an American
anti-war activist who has a much more noble and selfless goal....to bring
to the attention of misinformed Americans that there is a terrible and
intentionally hidden cost to Bush's war in Iraq.

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(from the page 3 of the BBC article displayed and linked above)

"Given this lack of financial or other crass motives, other recent instances of the politicisation of the dead strike me as more morally questionable: the coffins of the victims of 9/11 showing up in a political advertisement, the continued suppression of images of the funerals of those lost in Iraq from the mainstream American media, and images of the 9/11 disaster in a campaign ad," he says.

Flyguy · 11-05-2004, 12:40 AM

You get no arguement from me. I totally agree. They're hypocrites.

Look to the righties here to put a spin on this just like the campaign did.

yster · 11-05-2004, 03:09 AM

That is exactly how you win a campaign. Be as underhanded as possible, and try to call the other guy out on anything bad he does. It's sad, but it would be foolish to take anything personally that these guys do. Death, Terror, Greed and Prejudice: Know how to exploit those and you'll win every time. Trying to call them out on it is like complaining when someone plays aggressively in any game. You might make friends always playing nice, but you won't win many games.

irateplatypus · 11-05-2004, 06:13 AM

two points to address this thread...

first, i can't be sure of the original poster, so i'm not directly speaking to him... but i do know that i hear no condemnation from the left when such things are used in their favor. just check out some of the other threads... it's not hypocrisy its "art". i'm suspicious that the real sentiment is a political motivation and not moral outrage.

secondly, if you're going to degrade Bush by hiding the physical remains of US casualties... you must also take issue with the first President Bush, Reagan, Nixon, Johnson, JFK, Eisenhower, FDR etc... it has always been US policy to restrict media images of U.S. dead. in fact, the rules used to be much stricter than they are now. i think the discussion should be aimed at the historical policy of the US government, not just another hackneyed stab at the Bush administration.

rukkyg · 11-05-2004, 06:42 AM

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Originally Posted by irateplatypus

two points to address this thread...

first, i can't be sure of the original poster, so i'm not directly speaking to him... but i do know that i hear no condemnation from the left when such things are used in their favor. just check out some of the other threads... it's not hypocrisy its "art". i'm suspicious that the real sentiment is a political motivation and not moral outrage.

secondly, if you're going to degrade Bush by hiding the physical remains of US casualties... you must also take issue with the first President Bush, Reagan, Nixon, Johnson, JFK, Eisenhower, FDR etc... it has always been US policy to restrict media images of U.S. dead. in fact, the rules used to be much stricter than they are now. i think the discussion should be aimed at the historical policy of the US government, not just another hackneyed stab at the Bush administration.

We're degrading bush because of the hypocracy: not showing Iraq casualties while parading 9/11 casualties for political advantage. Double Standard.

Flyguy · 11-05-2004, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by irateplatypus

two points to address this thread...

first, i can't be sure of the original poster, so i'm not directly speaking to him... but i do know that i hear no condemnation from the left when such things are used in their favor. just check out some of the other threads... it's not hypocrisy its "art". i'm suspicious that the real sentiment is a political motivation and not moral outrage.

secondly, if you're going to degrade Bush by hiding the physical remains of US casualties... you must also take issue with the first President Bush, Reagan, Nixon, Johnson, JFK, Eisenhower, FDR etc... it has always been US policy to restrict media images of U.S. dead. in fact, the rules used to be much stricter than they are now. i think the discussion should be aimed at the historical policy of the US government, not just another hackneyed stab at the Bush administration.

See?

Frowning Budah · 11-05-2004, 03:34 PM

Just a word of caution for all the Bush supporters. The "we won and you lost" attitude that is being thrown in the face of those that didn't support Bush is very counter productive in healing the wounds this election has caused . Like it or not we are all still on the same team and you still need the other 48 percent to make anything work.

ravenradiodj · 11-05-2004, 07:55 PM

"Trying to call them out on it is like complaining when someone plays aggressively in any game. You might make friends always playing nice, but you won't win many games."

There's a difference between playing aggressively with honor and integrity, and being a filthy, lying underhanded crook.

So, winning is everything? The desire to win justifies lying, hypocrisy, exploitation, and murder? Ahh, what fine Christians Bush and Co. are. I'm sure Jesus would approve. You people are amazing, you make the Flat Earth Society look sane.

11-05-2004, 06:13 AM	#4 (permalink)
irateplatypus can't help but laugh Location: dar al-harb	two points to address this thread... first, i can't be sure of the original poster, so i'm not directly speaking to him... but i do know that i hear no condemnation from the left when such things are used in their favor. just check out some of the other threads... it's not hypocrisy its "art". i'm suspicious that the real sentiment is a political motivation and not moral outrage. secondly, if you're going to degrade Bush by hiding the physical remains of US casualties... you must also take issue with the first President Bush, Reagan, Nixon, Johnson, JFK, Eisenhower, FDR etc... it has always been US policy to restrict media images of U.S. dead. in fact, the rules used to be much stricter than they are now. i think the discussion should be aimed at the historical policy of the US government, not just another hackneyed stab at the Bush administration. __________________ If you will not fight when your victory will be sure and not too costly, you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance for survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves. ~ Winston Churchill Last edited by irateplatypus; 11-05-2004 at 06:15 AM..

11-05-2004, 12:40 AM	#2 (permalink)
Flyguy Banned Location: Swooping down on you from above....	You get no arguement from me. I totally agree. They're hypocrites. Look to the righties here to put a spin on this just like the campaign did.

11-05-2004, 03:09 AM	#3 (permalink)
yster Tilted	That is exactly how you win a campaign. Be as underhanded as possible, and try to call the other guy out on anything bad he does. It's sad, but it would be foolish to take anything personally that these guys do. Death, Terror, Greed and Prejudice: Know how to exploit those and you'll win every time. Trying to call them out on it is like complaining when someone plays aggressively in any game. You might make friends always playing nice, but you won't win many games.

11-05-2004, 03:34 PM	#7 (permalink)
Frowning Budah Slave of Fear	Just a word of caution for all the Bush supporters. The "we won and you lost" attitude that is being thrown in the face of those that didn't support Bush is very counter productive in healing the wounds this election has caused . Like it or not we are all still on the same team and you still need the other 48 percent to make anything work.

11-05-2004, 07:55 PM	#8 (permalink)
ravenradiodj Crazy	"Trying to call them out on it is like complaining when someone plays aggressively in any game. You might make friends always playing nice, but you won't win many games." There's a difference between playing aggressively with honor and integrity, and being a filthy, lying underhanded crook. So, winning is everything? The desire to win justifies lying, hypocrisy, exploitation, and murder? Ahh, what fine Christians Bush and Co. are. I'm sure Jesus would approve. You people are amazing, you make the Flat Earth Society look sane.