djtestudo

According to the AP.

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irateplatypus

The AP is reporting that Senator Kerry has called the President to concede the race. The President has just won with the last plurality victory since 1988.

It's over. It feels good to have it over. It feels even better to have the President secure another term.

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rocinante2003

Just heard too

ShaniFaye

He will be making a speach at 1 pm EST to the public at Faneuil Hall in Boston

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rocinante2003

Good info Shanifaye.. Thanks

the_marq

This just came up on the CNN ticker:

I guess that's it. Best of luck to my American friends.

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ShaniFaye

Im so happy I could cry...I understand that there are those so upset they could cry too....Even though I think different from the Kerry Supporters...we all have one thing in common...we want the best for our country...we just see a different approach to get there.

Everyone that voted has a right to be proud today even if you dont like the results

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ubertuber

Congratulations to Sen. Kerry for running strongly and showing a great deal of class in defeat. Here's hoping for the best over the next four years.

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Phantom Power

Where did you get your info, Mr. irateplatypus? The AP? Associated PRess? CNN says its still in the air as of 12:20 Atlantic Time

ubertuber

Can we merge this with irate's thread??

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denim

You should update your clock, Phantom Power. You posted at 11:20 ET.

CNN.com reports Kerry conceeded. Well, this sucks ass. Now we've got a Republican Party which thinks it has the right idea.

djtestudo

Congrats to Senator Kerry as well. He ran a tough campaign.

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rocinante2003

Yes he did djtestudo.

subnet_rx

John Kerry has conceded to Bush. I hope Bush realizes that he won on the fact that he has good moral values, and not because of the war on Iraq. Kerry got 49%, in my opinion, because he was against the war.

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Lasereth

Looks like Bush DID win because of the War on Iraq. If Kerry lost because he was against it, then Bush obviously won because he was for it. I do agree that it's Bush's overall morality that southerners and rural areas favored.

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djtestudo

Let me say this; I wouldn't have been particularly happy with Kerry as President, but I would have supported him as an American like we all should no matter who won (while doing my best to get a change in 2008, of course ).

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grendel

or perceived morality, at least.

subnet_rx

I think it was a lesser of two evils for a lot of people. A lot of rural voters got out during this campaign, and I think it was because they just couldn't let John Kerry win. But most CNN exit polls showed that over half the country thinks the war in Iraq has gone all wrong.

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subnet_rx

well, I think John Kerry tried that throughout his campaign. But a lot of people see through that when you stand where you stand on issues. Bush was firm in all the debates on moral issues.

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Stompy

No offense, but what kind of sheepish thinking is that? Part of the problem with this country is the people who just follow the herd like that!

People act too patriotic with all this "pride, respect" stuff... sorry, but it's perfectly okay to not support the current US President.

It's not anyone's "duty" to just blindly follow regardless of issues or platforms, nor is it anyone's duty to respect those in office, especially if they don't even remotely represent what you think/feel.

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avhg1

I remember thinking the same thing for the past couple elections. You would think with such a great country to live in, we would be able to find someone that could really unite the country. Well, I keep hoping maybe next time!

Cynthetiq

I'd like to remind everyone that doesn't frequent the political boards:

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powerclown

Yeah they're saying Kerry is conceding victory to Bush now.

I'm very surprised Bush won. What this says to me is that there is more to the country than the Right & Left Coasts, and the constant vocalization of the Media's hatred for Bush. This was a solid vote of confidence for Bush from the heartland.

As far as Iraq, the end of this election should signal the start of a massive military campaign to pave the way for elections there in January. Fallujah, Ramadi and other insurgent strongholds are now going to be dealt with brutally and decisively.

Phantom Power

Okay guys, lets not get too out of hand here. The dust will settle soon enough...

DelayedReaction

I disagree. You should respect the fact that he is President, and that the majority of the population elected him into office. You may disagree with his views, but George W. Bush is still President of the United States. He should be respected for that.

You may disagree with the man, but you should still respect the office.

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Stompy

But the majority isn't always right (nor educated).

Remember, the majority of people believe that Iraq had (or still has) ties to Al Qaeda and believes they had a part in 9/11 despite numerous reports against it.

The majority believes that gay marriage should be banned. Didn't the majority approve of slavery, or (nearly 100 years later), a segregated society?

I respect the position of president in terms of the amount of power that one has to do something good, but I don't respect the person holding it and misusing it or the people who put him there.

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The_wall

Well whether you like him or hate him, we have to try and work with him for another four years. I really hope things start getting better, I just don't see it happening. Democrats and republicans alike need to start working together, and they need to start NOW.

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Stompy

Actually, I believe Kerry could still win even though he conceded.

If it turns out that the votes in OH go to Kerry, he'll take office.

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Rdr4evr

Following the majority will never amount you to anything in life. I will NOT support GWB under any circumstances, I voted against him and I will be against him till the day he is out of office. He will not receive my respect whether he is commander in chief or otherwise.

MSD

Gore conceded before weeks of legal challenges ensued. This doesn't mean a damn thing yet.

Ohio:

Bush
2,794,346 51%

Kerry
2,658,125 49%

It's going to be a long-ass court battle

reiii

FOR THE DEMS:

Reasons to feel better:
1.The Daily Show will be funny for another 4 years
2.Almost half of everyone in the country agrees with you
3.British Columbia isn't really all that cold....

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ShaniFaye

I dont understand....they have already said the number of total provisional votes doesnt even equal the difference 136,221 votes seperating the two...so why isnt it over (not being sarcastic....just trying to understand if I am missing something here)

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SiN

[a bit OT] this is precisely what I think is flawed/what I simply cannot comceptualise regarding America.
Morality should have nothing to do with public(servancy)/gov't/state/etc. Ethics, on the other hand...by all means, the more the better. ..but morality How can that have any place/bearing other than the private sector/religious sector? [/a bit OT]

...and that'll sum up my thoughts on the election, for the moment.

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powerclown

Bush not only won, he won with the largest % of the Popular Vote of any President EVER.

Stompy

51% was the largest ever? I don't think so...

But still not over yet

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djtestudo

No, I think it was the largest vote total: 58 million or however much it was.

There have been much higher percentages then 51%; see: Washington, George.

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reiii

FDR first re-election, was 62 percent or something like that. Probably many more that contradict your fact as well


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ShaniFaye

I think maybe he was getting it mixed up

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/...ain/index.html

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Stompy

It's also relative. Kerry got 48%, which is actually as much, if not more, than what the average winner gets.

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irateplatypus

i think powerclown meant to say that Bush won with the greatest number in the popular vote (a function of voter population and voter turnout), not by percentage over his opponent.

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