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nofnway · 10-31-2004, 05:32 PM

I just came across this last night.. www.wintersoldier.com ..I was too young to remember much of The Viet Nam era first hand but this site gives me a better insight into the charachter of John Kerry.....

What do you think?

seretogis · 10-31-2004, 06:52 PM

This seems like an entirely objective site to me!

Ustwo · 10-31-2004, 07:11 PM

Too many link posts lately.

Boo · 10-31-2004, 08:38 PM

Warning, my browser froze when I clicked it and I had to reboot.

guthmund · 10-31-2004, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by seretogis

This seems like an entirely objective site to me!

No kidding.

I was waiting for the flash animation where it's revealed the John Kerry is none other than Satan himself.

host · 10-31-2004, 09:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nofnway

I just came across this last night.. www.wintersoldier.com ..I was too young to remember much of The Viet Nam era first hand but this site gives me a better insight into the charachter of John Kerry.....

What do you think?

Very informative. Thank you for the link. Now here is a link FYI:
By the way....in the vice presidential debate, Dick Cheney attempted
to endorse the reliability of www.factcheck.org , but he misstated the address.

Quote:

<a href="http://www.factcheck.org/article244.html">http://www.factcheck.org/article244.html</a>
Some atrocities by US forces have been documented beyond question. Kerry's 1971 testimony came less than one month after Army Lt. William Calley had been convicted in a highly publicized military trial of the murder of the murder of 22 Vietnamese civilians at My Lai hamlet on March 16 1968, when upwards of 300 unarmed men, women and children were killed by the inexperienced soldiers of the Americal Division's Charley Company.

And since Kerry testified, ample evidence of other atrocities has come to light:

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Son Thang: In 1998, for example, Marine Corps veteran Gary D. Solis published the book Son Thang: An American War Crime describing the court-martial of four US Marines for the apparently unprovoked killing 16 women and children on the night of February 19, 1970 in a hamlet about 20 miles south of Danang. The four Marines testified that they were under orders by their patrol leader to shoot the villagers. A young Oliver North appeared as a character witness and helped acquit the leader of all charges, but three were convicted.
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Tiger Force: The Toledo Blade won a Pulitzer Prize this year for a series published in October, 2003 reporting that atrocities were committed by an elite US Army "Tiger Force" unit that the Blade said killed unarmed civilians and children during a seven-month rampage in 1967. "Elderly farmers were shot as they toiled in the fields. Prisoners were tortured and executed - their ears and scalps severed for souvenirs. One soldier kicked out the teeth of executed civilians for their gold fillings," the Blade reported. "Investigators concluded that 18 soldiers committed war crimes ranging from murder and assault to dereliction of duty. But no one was charged."
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"Hundreds" of others: In December 2003 The New York Times quoted Nicholas Turse, a doctoral candidate at Columbia University who has been studying government archives, as saying the records are filled with accounts of atrocities similar to those described by the Toledo Blade series. "I stumbled across the incidents The Blade reported," Turse was quoted as saying. "I read through that case a year, year and a half ago, and it really didn't stand out. There was nothing that made it stand out from anything else. That's the scary thing. It was just one of hundreds."
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"Exact Same Stories": Keith Nolan, author of 10 published books on Vietnam, says he's heard many veterans describe atrocities just like those Kerry recounted from the Winter Soldier event. Nolan told FactCheck.org that since 1978 he's interviewed roughly 1,000 veterans in depth for his books, and spoken to thousands of others. "I have heard the exact same stories dozens if not hundreds of times over," he said. "Wars produce atrocities. Frustrating guerrilla wars produce a particularly horrific number of atrocities. That some individual soldiers and certain units responded with excessive brutality in Vietnam shouldn't really surprise anyone."

10-31-2004, 05:32 PM	#1 (permalink)
nofnway Insane Location: under the freeway bridge	Winter Soldier I just came across this last night.. www.wintersoldier.com ..I was too young to remember much of The Viet Nam era first hand but this site gives me a better insight into the charachter of John Kerry..... What do you think? __________________ "Iron rusts with disuse, stagnant water loses its purity and in cold water freezes. Even so does inaction sap the vigor of the mind" Leonardo Da Vinci

10-31-2004, 06:52 PM	#2 (permalink)
seretogis Huggles, sir? Location: Seattle	This seems like an entirely objective site to me! __________________ seretogis - sieg heil perfect little dream the kind that hurts the most, forgot how it feels well almost no one to blame always the same, open my eyes wake up in flames

10-31-2004, 07:11 PM	#3 (permalink)
Ustwo Pissing in the cornflakes	Too many link posts lately. __________________ Agents of the enemies who hold office in our own government, who attempt to eliminate our "freedoms" and our "right to know" are posting among us, I fear.....on this very forum. - host Obama - Know a Man by the friends he keeps.

10-31-2004, 08:38 PM	#4 (permalink)
Boo Leave me alone! Location: Alaska, USA	Warning, my browser froze when I clicked it and I had to reboot. __________________ Back button again, I must be getting old.