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10-30-2004, 06:57 PM | #42 (permalink) |
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Irrational reaction? Hardly. He remained calm and did not panic. In a time of chaos, he kept composure.
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10-30-2004, 06:58 PM | #43 (permalink) | |
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10-30-2004, 07:19 PM | #44 (permalink) | |
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I am not the President of the United States - and yet, when I was told about the attack, even being awoken from sleep, I immediately got up to turn on the television to find out what "we're under attack" meant. In fact, my absolute first thought was that my girlfriend had been on an airplane that had crashed - as she was flying back that morning. It was a simple, rational reaction to the information I had received. I did not lie in bed for 7 minutes and do nothing. I did not run outside naked, screaming in fear. I would expect the President to have a similar, rational reaction to such information - particularly as he is in a far better position to affect change in the course of events, should he be able to affect change in the course of events. Based on the non-substantial information he had, he didn't even know if he could have done anything .... for 7+ minutes. But he certainly could have used those 7 minutes to find out. Last edited by bling; 10-30-2004 at 07:21 PM.. |
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10-31-2004, 11:12 AM | #45 (permalink) | |
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10-31-2004, 12:11 PM | #47 (permalink) | |
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This is irrational. Note, this is not the most important reason to not vote for Bush. This is simply a view into his character. His character is found lacking. |
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10-31-2004, 12:14 PM | #48 (permalink) | |
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10-31-2004, 12:51 PM | #50 (permalink) |
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"I was sitting in the classroom, and Andy Card, my chief who was sitting over here walked in and said, "A second plane has hit the tower. America's under attack." Bush also mentioned that he saw the first plane hit the first tower on the t.v.
A student asked: "What was the first thing that went through your head when you heard that a plane crashed into the first tower?" Bush responsed: "Well, I was sitting in a schoolhouse in Florida. I'd gone down to tell my little brother what to do. And uh, [pause for laughs] just kidding Jeb! And uh, [it's] the mother in me [pauses for more laughs]. Anyway, I was sitting there and my cheif of staff...well first of all when I walked in the classroom, I had seen the plane fly into the first building. There was a t.v. set on. I thought it was pilot error..." Now for all of you who are wondering, there was no live tv coverage of the initial attack. None. Alzheimers perhapse? He is either imcompetent, or a liar. |
10-31-2004, 04:26 PM | #51 (permalink) |
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I cant believe people make an issue out of Bush's initial reaction (or lack of). There are real things to critisize the president for, this is not one of them. How can anyone presume to know what was in his mind or what was he needed to do at that moment?
Was there any tangible harm done to this country based on this reaction that everyone seems fit to crucify him for? I think its fair to at least give him enough credit to know whether or not there would be anything he could do in the next 7 minutes. This is beyond rediculous.
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10-31-2004, 05:41 PM | #52 (permalink) |
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I would expect Al-Qaida would have a strategy to effect the U.S. elections. Whether those plans would be similar to what happened in Spain... I do not know. What do you all think about his statements regarding the motivation behind the 9-11 attacks (U.S.'s role in the Israeli/Palestinian conflict)? Personally, I don't think the real motivations are anywhere near that simple or contained within that scope. I wonder what the political shakout would be if another attack was attempted...? I also wonder why Osama seemed to stick to that angle in the tape. I would have expected him to address vague and long past American mis-deeds rather than sticking with the Israel/Palestine conflict. The 9-11 terrorists seemed to have more complex motives so I don't really buy Osama's statement. From what i've read that group was radicalized in Europe, and had much more fundamental problems with western society/capitalism, which is kind of ironic given the Arab nation's proclivity towards capitalism. It is a little unsettling to hear a terrorist explain why exactly he is fighting us. It is much easier for us to hear "I don't like your entire western world so we are going to fight".
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11-01-2004, 06:35 AM | #54 (permalink) |
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I don't think there was much President Bush could've done by himself under the circumstances.
However, knowing that the two planes have hit the WTC, not knowing who or what the next target could be and sitting in a roomful of kids should have brought the President to his feet and out the door. It was a significant enough threat to have the President criss-crossing the country at random, but not significant to get him up out of the chair immediately? The President's schedule is, for the most part, public knowledge. How hard would it have been for a fifth group of hi-jackers to grab a truck, rig it with explosives and drive it into the school? Especially with everybody in the "pre 9-11" mindset the Right talks about. Of course, I simplified that significantly, but you get the gist, right? In that instance, I would've expected the President to make an excuse and leave with his secret service detail. Instead, he sat for an additional 7 minutes, not knowing what was next, out of the loop and potentially endangering everyone in that school. I expect calm, cool leadership from my President. That's his job. And that's the reason the 7 minutes are so important to me.
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11-01-2004, 07:40 AM | #55 (permalink) |
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from a televised image perspective, from a cinematic image perspective, there is no way to distinguish between "cool and calm" and totally vacant.
maybe bush supporters simply have to conflate the two because that is how the apparatus to which they owe the form and content of their positions packages them. vacancy as resoluteness. it is one of the great cons on the century. it would make p.t. barnum proud--and you know what barnum thought of the american public. maybe he was right.
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11-01-2004, 09:21 AM | #56 (permalink) | |
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I am going to say this again, there was absolutely nothing Bush could've done in those seven minutes that would have either saved lives or made a difference period. From moorewatch.com:
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11-02-2004, 12:00 AM | #57 (permalink) | |
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