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cthulu23 · 10-18-2004, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by daswig

Saddam didn't give money to charity groups that gave money to the families of suicide bombers. Saddam cut checks directly to them for "services rendered". My understanding is that the Saudis have worked to see to it that the funds they give to muslim charities no longer is given to the families of suicide bombers. In other words, they're trying to do the right thing, while Saddam was trying to encourage people to blow themselves up.

It's interesting to note that you've glossed past the fact that 53 WMDs have indeed been recovered in Iraq.

Let's see some sources for these "facts." The saudis have one of the most repressive Sharia law societies in the Middle East...it's quite interesting to see someone try to erase the their support of radical Islamic causes while trying to indict what was essentially a secular (though brutal) leader.

Paq · 10-18-2004, 09:24 PM

hey, back to the original topic for a second...

i think i read it somewhere before in this thread, but really, the tax burden you're most concerned with is more than likely controlled more by the local government. bush/kerry really aren't going to change too much for you either way within the next 4+yrs...

daswig · 10-18-2004, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by cthulu23

Let's see some sources for these "facts." The saudis have one of the most repressive Sharia law societies in the Middle East...it's quite interesting to see someone try to erase the their support of radical Islamic causes while trying to indict what was essentially a secular (though brutal) leader.

Please give me one good reason WHY I should provide you with one more single goddamned link. I gave you a pinpoint cite on the 53 WMDs discovered so far. No response from ANY of the Bush-bashers. I gave you cites and links for other things Saddam did which qualify as casus belli. Still no response from the Bush-bashers. I gave you links to two specific incidents where Kerry supporters beat Bush supporters for daring to speak out in a public forum that they entered into without theft by deception (which is what the women with tickets did....they lied to get tickets, claiming to be Bush supporters). Still no response from the Bush-bashers. So why exactly should I google shit for you any more???

smooth · 10-18-2004, 10:22 PM

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Please give me one good reason WHY I should provide you with one more single goddamned link. I gave you a pinpoint cite on the 53 WMDs discovered so far. No response from ANY of the Bush-bashers. I gave you cites and links for other things Saddam did which qualify as casus belli. Still no response from the Bush-bashers. I gave you links to two specific incidents where Kerry supporters beat Bush supporters for daring to speak out in a public forum that they entered into without theft by deception (which is what the women with tickets did....they lied to get tickets, claiming to be Bush supporters). Still no response from the Bush-bashers. So why exactly should I google shit for you any more???

Hey dude, you need to slow your roll.

You've been spitting bile in here for a while and I've haven't said shit to you. But you're way out of bounds with this post.

You've been trashing this chick's thread for two pages; can it or start a new thread if you want to continue spitting at some "bush-bashers."

daswig · 10-18-2004, 10:38 PM

Smooth, judging by the threads you've started in the past (US Atrocities in Iraq, the screwing of Cynthia McKinney, et cetera), let me guess...you're voting for Bush, right?

divagrrrl · 10-18-2004, 11:19 PM

*runs away scared by the haters on both sides*

host · 10-18-2004, 11:27 PM

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*runs away scared by the haters on both sides*

There are lovers here, too.........
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smooth · 10-18-2004, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by daswig

Smooth, judging by the threads you've started in the past (US Atrocities in Iraq, the screwing of Cynthia McKinney, et cetera), let me guess...you're voting for Bush, right?

Try reading the threads you shit on next time:

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how about from some of us who are trying to dismantle the "fence" ?

Since you are in SoCal, you have the distinguished capability to do what other people in this nation only dream about--vote your conscious without negative repurcussions.

One of Ralph Nader's positions is to stop government waste. I believe he argues the same as I do: that military spending is one huge boondoggle for the military industrial complex to the detriment of our nation's fiscal sanity. Only by reducing expenditure can your tax burden be reduced.

Bush has been pumping the economy up with money he doesn't have. Our debt stretches into the horizon. You and I will have to pay that debt down while simultaneously servicing it. We, as well as our children, will have to pay the principal and the interest someday.

Kerry has a lot of plans, but I haven't seen how he plans on balancing the budget in detail. He has joined forces to do it before, however, and I don't doubt he will team up with the Congress and do it again. But I don't see him cutting the hugely wasteful expenditures that persistently hang around the Capitol--like a raunchy fart.

So vote Nader if you value your fiscal sanity, environment, and anti-corporatism (being small business, this may interest you immensly).

Someone else hopefully will step in and speal you on Badnarik, because I suspect he purports to end government waste, too. But I don't know enough about his platform to give you a fair synopsis of it.

daswig · 10-18-2004, 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by smooth

Try reading the threads you shit on next time:

I see my sarcasm was not picked up on...Oh, well, you can lead a horse to water...

daswig · 10-18-2004, 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by divagrrrl

*runs away scared by the haters on both sides*

I'm generally not a hater. It's just when I see asshatery, I have to respond to it.

cthulu23 · 10-19-2004, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by daswig

Please give me one good reason WHY I should provide you with one more single goddamned link. I gave you a pinpoint cite on the 53 WMDs discovered so far. No response from ANY of the Bush-bashers. I gave you cites and links for other things Saddam did which qualify as casus belli. Still no response from the Bush-bashers. I gave you links to two specific incidents where Kerry supporters beat Bush supporters for daring to speak out in a public forum that they entered into without theft by deception (which is what the women with tickets did....they lied to get tickets, claiming to be Bush supporters). Still no response from the Bush-bashers. So why exactly should I google shit for you any more???

You brought up the point therefore you should support it or back away from it.

If these 53 WMDs constitute the "smoking gun" that you think they do, why has the administration admitted that they haven't been able to find WMDs?

If your "casus belli" is so strong, why weren't those arguments used as a reason to invade Iraq? Maybe because the American people would never have supported an invasion for those reasons?

All of the arguments that you give for the war have been debated here many, many times. Maybe people are sick of arguing the same points over and over.

cthulu23 · 10-19-2004, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by daswig

I'm generally not a hater. It's just when I see asshatery, I have to respond to it.

If the asshat fits.....

Edit: WTF is an "asshat" anyway?

Beatlefan58 · 10-19-2004, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by smooth

you might want to clarify your tax liability. at least two people have now based part of their analysis on you having a "taxable income" of "16,000."

From my reading of your post, that was your net after taxes on $36,000.

"Here's what she said: Which of our two main candidates is a better friend to small business? I am a Massage Therapist, paid as an independent contractor. I gross about $28,000, take about $12,000 in write-offs, leaving me with about $16,000 to live on each year. Of this, the IRS wants to take about $3500 on average, leaving me to live on $1050 a month"

It's a gross of $28k, expenses to generate that gross figure of $12k, and a net (or taxable) income of $16K.

I can't see where you got $36,000 from that anywhere.

smooth · 10-19-2004, 11:21 AM

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"Here's what she said: Which of our two main candidates is a better friend to small business? I am a Massage Therapist, paid as an independent contractor. I gross about $28,000, take about $12,000 in write-offs, leaving me with about $16,000 to live on each year. Of this, the IRS wants to take about $3500 on average, leaving me to live on $1050 a month"

It's a gross of $28k, expenses to generate that gross figure of $12k, and a net (or taxable) income of $16K.

I can't see where you got $36,000 from that anywhere.

hmm, I was typeing from memory. Evidently, I pulled 36K out from my ass.

daswig · 10-19-2004, 12:25 PM

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If these 53 WMDs constitute the "smoking gun" that you think they do, why has the administration admitted that they haven't been able to find WMDs?

Because literacy has never been a strong point for them?

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If your "casus belli" is so strong, why weren't those arguments used as a reason to invade Iraq? Maybe because the American people would never have supported an invasion for those reasons?

Because it doesn't make a good sound-bite, and isn't a catchy acronym.

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All of the arguments that you give for the war have been debated here many, many times. Maybe people are sick of arguing the same points over and over.

And all the arguments (actually, blanket statements not based upon reality) you've made against the war have been made here time and time again.

Partisan hackery, anyone?

daswig · 10-19-2004, 12:27 PM

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WTF is an "asshat" anyway?

You don't REALLY want me to answer that, do you?

cthulu23 · 10-19-2004, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by daswig

Because literacy has never been a strong point for them?

Hmmm, I think that I'll stick with the literate candidate. You haven't really answered my question, though.

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Because it doesn't make a good sound-bite, and isn't a catchy acronym.

If only the American public were as wise as some who post here.

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And all the arguments (actually, blanket statements not based upon reality) you've made against the war have been made here time and time again.

Partisan hackery, anyone?

Hehe, pot, meet kettle.

Your personal insult aside, what arguments are those? i don't remember arguing Iraq with you, and I certainly didn't bring up the topic in this thread. I made a point about Saudi fundamentalism and I got jumped for not responding to your Iraq "shockers." I respond and you tell me that all the arguments that I HAVEN'T made in this thread are BS. Who's calling who a hack? Maybe you should tone down your own blanket statements.

alto92 · 10-19-2004, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by daswig

Because literacy has never been a strong point for them?

this is hilarious - barely worth responding to...in fact, lets move on.

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Because it doesn't make a good sound-bite, and isn't a catchy acronym.

the american public is uninformed, but only at the behest of our political system and the media that caters to it. your answer, like the first, is a cop-out.

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Originally Posted by daswig

And all the arguments (actually, blanket statements not based upon reality) you've made against the war have been made here time and time again.

Partisan hackery, anyone?

uh, what cthulu said... and the proximity of "all the arguements" and "blanket statements" amazes me - take a look in the mirror often?

i've seen cthulu make coherent points, and ask reasonable questions. i've seen you spout with anger, insults, frustrated sarcasm, and unsubstantiated, often irrelevant claims...but we have high placed role models for this type of behavior don't we?

it'd be better if you just came out and admitted when you were cornered, after all, tucker carlson said it best: "we're here to love you, not to confront you."

p.s. sorry we hijacked your thread diva....and by the way, you might want to check up on the relevancy/accuracy of that 12.5% kerry tax number, as with every other little tiny soundbyte piece of info that's meant to piss people off.

cthulu23 · 10-19-2004, 02:28 PM

Errm, to actually post on topic, I have to agree with some of what Ustwo said. Your taxes seem to be too high for your income...see an accountant or knowledgable relative/friend.

hannukah harry · 10-19-2004, 09:25 PM

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hmm, I was typeing from memory. Evidently, I pulled 36K out from my ass.

i hope you took your hat off first...

10-18-2004, 09:24 PM	#42 (permalink)
Paq Junkie Location: South Carolina	hey, back to the original topic for a second... i think i read it somewhere before in this thread, but really, the tax burden you're most concerned with is more than likely controlled more by the local government. bush/kerry really aren't going to change too much for you either way within the next 4+yrs... __________________ Live. Chris

10-18-2004, 10:38 PM	#45 (permalink)
daswig Banned Location: BFE	Smooth, judging by the threads you've started in the past (US Atrocities in Iraq, the screwing of Cynthia McKinney, et cetera), let me guess...you're voting for Bush, right?

10-18-2004, 11:19 PM	#46 (permalink)
divagrrrl Crazy Location: SoCal	runs away scared by the haters on both sides

10-19-2004, 02:28 PM	#59 (permalink)
cthulu23 Banned	Errm, to actually post on topic, I have to agree with some of what Ustwo said. Your taxes seem to be too high for your income...see an accountant or knowledgable relative/friend.